Greetings Eagle fans. I have a QB "controversy" for you involving Kevin Kolb.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 12, 2009 4:22 PM EST
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Over in Seattle we are looking toward the future, our Hasselbeck-led window of opportunity closing quickly, if it hasn't already slammed shut.
This has led to a lot of talk about future QB's in Seattle. I know well the love/hate relationship Philly has had with McNabb. Personally, I've always liked him and would be happy to have him until he can no longer perform. You also seem to have found your "QB of the future" as well.... but that's where this discussion comes in.
There are really three non-Hasselbeck options for us going forward that have been discussed in the Pacific Northwest. 1) Draft a rookie, to either play right away or learn under Matt or a journeyman. 2) Go trade for a QB with upside in our system 3) find a vet who can play right away with potential to be a solid starter going forward for a while.
The first option has a debate between big names like McCoy, Clausen, Jake Locker, and the like. The second option points to you and Mr. Kevin Kolb. The third interestingly, gives us a guy you are familiar with-- Jason Campbell.
My questions for you--It has been suggested to trade for Kolb. Do you see him as being the least bit available? What would it take? Would it be worth it? Starting from scratch, is Kolb a guy you would feel comfortable rebuilding with? Do you believe he showed enough in 2 games to be worth giving a 1st round pick to pry him away?
Bottom line-- if you were in our shoes and not yours, would you rather have Kolb, any of the three college guys I listed, or Jason Campbell, and why?
Thanks Bleeding Green. I used to bleed green too, until the NBA stole my lifeblood... sigh.
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if i was a hawks fan i would definitely want Kolb over the other options, but who knows about Jason Campbell, maybe he could be a good fit in ur system with the receivers u guys hav but i still think Kolb would thrive with guys like TJ and Nate and Carlson. Forget about drafting a QB high unless ur willing to take the growing pains that will come along with him. NOW……heres the thing, i think u may have 2 draft a QB or settle for Campbell because i dont think theres NO WAY Andy and the FO would be willing 2 part with Kolb, not even for a generous offering of a first rd pick, but then again wat hell do i know??
For all we know, McNabb might be more available than Kolb.
For what it’s worth, I think Campbell is talented — he’s just had no stability at all w/coordinators in his career (Like Patrick Ramsey before him).
I honestly lean the Campbell route.
I think it would allow us to be optimally competitive right now while still having some upside potential, and if the collective bargaining agreement gets done, not even giving up a draft pick.
(If the CBA doesn’t get signed, he becomes restricted and Washington can put a qualifying offer on him.)
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 12, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
BUT...
You guys have Rutgers star QB Mike Teel for the future!
by ToolMan666 on Dec 12, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
An interesting question,
And I don’t think that Kolb is going anywhere. Brian points out accurately that Donovan might be more available than Kevin. I wouldn’t draft a QB high. None of these incoming guys impress me.
Campbell, I think, is a decent QB. The coordinator consistency thing I think is a valid point. Maybe you guys would do well with him.
In your shoes, I’d want Kevin. But, I think the Eagles are going to hold onto him. He might actually be a prototypical WCO QB, and with the RAC WRs we’re developing, I think they want to keep him around.
Veritas Liberabit Te
I personally don’t think Kolb will be very available at all. As someone above me said, it’s actually possible that McNabb will be more available than Kolb for the next two seasons. This franchise has put too much time and energy into grooming Kolb for our system to just let him go that easily. Not to mention the entire staff including Andy Reid have been touting him as the QB of the future for a long time now. I just don’t see a trade with Kolb happening….but then again I never saw the Vick signing in my crystal ball either.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
Kolb.......
If the Eagles are willing to trade Kolb, he would be the better choice. He’s been with the Eagles a few years now. He’s been coached well and has proven that he can move a team when he starts. I think he’s more valuable to the Eagles and they’ll keep him. But if they can trade him for a first and second round pick (probably not), then I would say go for it. I like Kolb and I think he’s the best backup QB in the league. Jason Campbell could get better with the right coach. The Redskins are in a state of disaray. I hope the Eagles keep Donovan, Kolb and Vick…..but who knows what;s ahead fo the Eagles.
I like Kolb and I think he’s the best backup QB in the league.
I really like Kolb, and I was one of those people that was excited when he played well those two weeks, but isn’t it a little much to say he’s the best backup in the league after only two starts this season?
I mean the Cowboys have Jon Kitna…he’s a pretty solid backup. Jeff Garcia was a pretty good backup for the Raiders before he left them. Hell, even Dennis Dixon looked damn solid a couple weeks back.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Dec 12, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Heheh.
I’ll become a Stealer fan if that happens.
And yes, I spelled it correctly.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 12, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
how about Vick for a 3rd ?
It would be such a steal to get a starting Qb for a 3rd round pick. Im a huge vick fan but a bigger Eagle fan and it would make this gamble worth it. On the other hand i think Vick is gonna help us going forward and into the Playoffs. But I think we would give Kolb for a first and a third in a heartbeat. If anything he is a good/decent Qb but not a franchise QB, just look at what houston did before him and now with the dude behind him breaking records. I do like that Kolb has the ability to scramble and that works for the Eagles since we’ve had a scrambling Qb for about 20 yrs straight now (minus the detmer,hoying years etc.) but he’s not a franchise QB. He played good in two games vs 22nd and 28th ranked pass defenses. We would love to give you kolb for those picks and draft a D-line man early and pick up a Qb in a Qb deep draft in the late rounds or maybe steal Tebow who has Philly written all over him . =)
The chances of Vick coming to Seattle are nil.
We’re talking maybe the most liberal animal activist fan base in the country. Believe me, I’ve had this discussion on our own boards. In fact, Vick fanposts are officially banned there and he is absolutely not considered an option.
That being said, I’m not sold he has enough in the tank to be anything but a backup now. But for my interests, it doesn’t really matter.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 12, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
We as Eagles fans thought that too… No way Vick is coming to Philly. Look what happened
"Why do you step onto the field...? I don't believe in pressure. I don't believe in what may be said on the outside. Why do I step out onto the field? To Prove That I Am The Best!"
-Donovan McNabb
no
i was pro vick .. iwas the only one .. i was 100 percent right on that one .. thanks :-)
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 13, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
you make 40 outlandish claims a day
just because you get one or two right in your life doesn’t make you a soothsayer
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Dec 13, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
actually alot of people we pro vick.
alot of people were anti-vick and alot of people just didnt give a shit.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
there were more of the
“i dont give a shit” people.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
bs
no one was pro vick .. get the fuck out of here. . u cant even let me be rite .. fuck u man
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
no fuck you man...
fine you were the only one pro vick and thats only because people were against him… But 98% of us didnt give a shit so congrats you were right in an arguement with 1% of the people here dumbass.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Vick's a disgrace.
And a horrible quarterback. Both of which he has proved time and again. You were 100% right about him being dogshit. Good job, JIBTA.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
ummm...
Vick will be a top 10 starting Qb in the league again. People just love to go with the public opinion thinking he is washed up. He’s only 30 and didnt take a hit(on the field) in almost 3 years. being 2 years removed from NFL speed will take alot of time and alot of reps to get back into it…remember peyton manning after his injury ,year before last, how long it took him to get back and he might be the G.O.A.T. Now think about 2 years ! Anyways if Vick doesnt have the burst like he used to he will still be the fastest Qb or top 3 in the league, he would just be downgraded from fastest or top 3 fastest player in the entire NFL.
by Mikegeminsky on Dec 12, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Vick will be a top 10 starting Qb in the league again.
He was a top 10 QB before? I knew he was once a top ten runner in the NFL…but actually passing the football? Uh…no.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
He is a self proclaimed originator of the wild cat offense
Quarterback does not mean just passing the ball, it could also mean running the ball. He created plays with his legs a lot when he was in ATL but that does not make him less of a quarterback.
by worldphuckinchamps on Dec 13, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
There's an entire thread in Fieldgulls about this...
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2009/11/11/1126271/could-seattle-pursue-vick-next
Several people point out that statistically he wasn’t that highly ranked a QB, despite having great running numbers…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 13, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
i think would love to have clausen he looked great in the games i saw him play in...
the only reason why notre dame sucked is because of their defence
eff you we winning anyway
haha
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Dec 12, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
You should look at Mike Vick lol...
Mora has a history w/ vick..
As for kolb, I think he would be available for the right price(prolly 2nd rounder) but im not sure if Andy would allow us to trade him w/o a clear cut #2.
You guys should really look into McCoy, I think he would do very well in your system, him or Bradford really.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Kolb was a 2nd rounder for us!!!!
So what…we groom him for four years, and trade him at cost?!?!
Stupid!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
well, you have to take into account that we have
2 high priced backup QB’s in Kolb and Vick. They will know that we can keep only one and if we can get a 2nd andy would take that…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Vick's gone after this season. No question about it.
So Kolb-for-2nd is still dumb.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
well, no way anyone comes off a 1st for a QB who
did terrible in his first extended time of play against Baltimore, which I know wasnt his fault and he wasnt quite ready etc.. And he’s only started 2 games and is 1-1 with like 600yds passing.. And he’s done mop up duty here and there..
No way someone gives up a first for a Backup QB who hasnt played alot. Dont get me wrong I would love to get a 1st but seattle should be picking high and theres no way we get a high 1st for kolb.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
I don't think we'll get a 1st for Kolb
b/c he’s not worth that to anyone else.
He is worth that much to us though. We value him higher than other teams because we’re the ones who groomed him.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
thats what ive been trying to say... this isnt like flip-that-qb where we draft a
2nd rounder with alot of potential, groom him a bit and trade him for a higher round draft choice.
plus I want us to keep kolb
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
First and third would do it for me.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Dec 12, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
what
wild eagle ur a jackass .. why the fuck would we draft kolb .. develop him .. and then trade him when hes ready for a second round pick .. which is where we picked him .. i think ur lookin at a 1st and 2nd if u want him
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 13, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
reply fail. lol
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
haha
well isaid it before those other guys thats all that matters
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 13, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
JIBTA get off my dick you ass pounding faggot...
So what if we give him away at cost… Look, we have kolb and vick who are both capable QB’s in the league and who are both Backups, the eagles organization will try its best not to keep both of them due to the price tag on each, therefore they will know that if we turn it down that the chances are that we will (1) go to someone else and make a deal or (2) release one of them, I for one dont thing the #2 will happen…
And notice how I said “prolly a 2nd rounder” meaning it could be more or it could be less… You also got to take into account that this year there is a very deep draft and alot of the 2nd rounders taken couldve been 1st rounder last year and could be 1st rounders next year…
So JIBTA you shut your fucking mouth you overaged piece of shit… In fact why dont you just quit talking to me if your going to just do nothing but be a little bitch about everything? There is a reason why people HATE you on here, and its not because of you dumbass statements…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
wild eagle stop embarassing yourself
Kolb was drafted to be the heir to McNabb’s throne. Why the FUCK would we just trade him away for a second rounder? We got him early in the 2nd round too.
Vick, wants to be a starting qb. he doesnt want to be in philly. he’s clearly going to be gone next year as McNabb and Kolb are going to be the starters…trading away a potential starting qb forf a 2nd is retarded esp if we got rid of him @ price..thats the worst idea ive ever heard
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
bro, Ive been argueing that Kolb is the heir apparent but
I dont see anyone giving up a 1st for a QB who hasnt played much, there just isnt enough film to prove he’s worth a first… I would love a first and I said “prolly a 2nd rounder” meaning thats the lowest we will go…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
BTW, I watched that whole Sonicsgate documentary on how the Sonics were taken out of Seattle. Unreal stuff…
I haven't been able to watch it yet... I lived it.
It’s still too soon. I played college basketball, coached high school ball, still play in 2 leagues a week at 34, and the NBA is dead to me. I have no interest in it after Stern did what he did. It’s sad, but it is what it is. I watch far more college ball anyway, and really don’t miss the NBA anymore.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was a Knicks fan but I have family in Seattle (thus the Mariner fandom, used to stay with my grandparents in the summer and go to games)
I’m never watching another NBA game until Seattle gets a team back. And probably not even then will I care.
Sad, huh?
I mean, same boat. And if they steal someone else’s franchise to give to us, FORGET IT.
And if the storied Oklahoma City Thunder get to keep OUR championship trophy, well, let’s just say that isn’t going to help Stern’s cause. Nope, he painted himself into a corner, and he deserves nothing but scorn and disdain, the pompous little dwarf.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
You guys have two 1st rounders
the only way we trade Kolb is for one of them. That way we can get both a FS and Left end. I think then we’d draft Dan Lefiever or whatever his name is in the 2nd round.
You want Kolb?
You can have Kolb and a certain receiver who is included in all trades for the low, low price of a 1st rounder. Bye, Kevin.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
how bout both
ill give reggie kurtis and a 7th round pick for nothing. I hate them both so much.
I find it interesting that you did not list Bradford as a potential draftie. I think he could easily be the top QB in the draft.
In my opinion, you draft a QB high this year, let him sit behind Hasselbeck for a season, and then use him. I think the best (and only way really) to get a franchise QB is through the draft.
Mainly I was just listing 3 guys, but implying drafting a young guy...
other examples include Pike, the kid up at Oregon State (name blank), and… I hate saying it… Tebow. But there are others as well. Point being, drafting a young guy compared to Kolb or Campbell.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 13, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Gotchya. I think your best option, in order from best to worst, would be draft someone (preferably Bradford), get Jason, trade for someone.
by philiafan14364 on Dec 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, myself.
Although I’m actually leaning Campbell if none of the college guys blow me away pre-draft.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
For the Rite Price Anyone Is Expendable
He is worth a first and a third…….Maybe to 2nds……….
no fuckikng way we let go of kolb
why would he? He has a very promising future in this offense where as mcnabb has 1-2 years left here at most. He’s 33 and if we don’t win the big dance we’re probably going to move along.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
If McNabb plays good, which he should
I wouldnt mind giving up Kolb for what the Broncos traded Cutler for.. not really much less than that, because he is OUR future franchise QB… but I dont think the eagles would trade Kolb anyways
you guys should just draft a QB though, or pursue Campbell, as his price tag will be lower than Kolbs, since the redskins where searching for a new QB last offseason anyways
That 44-6 eagles cowboys game on Dec. 29/2008 was the best game i've ever seen
Intriguing idea
Its nice to wonder about the potential but there is pretty much no chance of kolb getting traded.
I am sure the eagles will get about 10 trade offers for kolb this offseason, but I doubt any enticing offers will come up.
It would take atleast a first round pick to pry kolb from reid and no team is going to give up a 1st rounder for a guy who has 2 starts. Especially when you see the qb class coming out this year.
i have an idea...
wait for favre to retire at the end of this year and snatch him up when he changes his mind.
just playing, draft a player. trade up to get bradford if possible.
FYI, I see in Philly Vick evokes the same level of "spirited" debate as over at FieldGulls.
We’ve actually banned Vick conversation at the site, for the betterment of all, and the subthread above shows why…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 14, 2009 1:12 AM EST reply actions
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