Things I like so far in the 2nd half of the season, things I don't.
by JimmyK on Dec 1, 2009 12:28 PM EST
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PrintWith 5 games to go, the Eagles look to be in a great position to go back to the playoffs as at least a wildcard, with an excellent chance to win the division. A road win against a bad Bears team and a home win against an injury-depleted Redskins team may not look great on paper, but they were both the type of games that Eagles fans have been programmed to expect to lose in recent years. With that said, let's take a look at some positives and negatives leading into the home stretch...
Things I like to see so far in the 2nd half of the season...
Donovan McNabb - Finally... some grit. Keep it up Donny.
LeSean McCoy - His 2-point conversion was incredible. Had McCoy not somehow stayed on his feet and scored on that 2-point conversion play, we probably don't win. He's been fantastic as a rookie in Westbrook's absence.
Jason Avant - I wrote a piece on the Eagles 1st Half Report Cards a few weeks backs, and here's what I said about Avant...
Jason Avant - D+ Are there other people out there that are disappointed that Jason Avant has pretty much been invisible? We saw some nice steady improvement every year so far out of Avant, but he has leveled off this season.
At the time (through 8 games), Avant had 15 catches, 198 yards, and 1 TD. In the 3 games since, he has had 17 catches, 276 yards, and a TD, including 2 HUGE catches in the tying drive vs. the Redskins.
Jeremy Maclin - Keeps quietly getting it done. His last 3 games - 6-76, 6-64, 5-63. And he's going to keep getting better.
The Weave - 6 more carries last week, 44 yards. In the first 6 weeks, he had 4 carries. Let me repeat that again - 4 carries. What the hell was going on there? In the 5 games since, 27 carries, 163 yards. This guy is a bona fide player, and needs more touches. Frankly, 6 carries per game still isn't enough. Leonard Weaver needs to touch the ball at least 8-10 times per games.
Trent Cole - Sure-fire Pro Bowl bid this year. I'm going to make a bold statement here - Asante Samuel had 2 interceptions against the Redskins, but Trent Cole had a far bigger effect on that game.
Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown - We've given up a slew of big games to opposing TE's, but anyone out there want to venture a guess how many WR's have had 100 yards against us this year? NONE. Zip. Zilch. This is the best cornerback tandem in the NFL, period.
David Akers - (Knocking on wood) He's been outstanding lately.
Our Depth - The depth of this team has truly stepped up big-time this season. Stewart Bradley, Shawn Andrews, Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Todd Herremans, Cornelius Ingram, Omar Gaither, Ellis Hobbs, Victor Abiamiri, Stacy Andrews, Chris Gocong, Kevin Curtis, Akeem Jordan, and so on. Honestly, how many teams can sustain this many injuries to this many good players and still be 7-4?
The trend of locking up good young players long-term - Kudos to the Eagles FA for getting long-term deals done with Brent Celek and Winston Justice.
The Cowboys schedule - December is here. Is another collapse in the works? Well, it won't be easy for Dallas. Their next 5 games...
- Week 13 - @ Giants - NFC East rivalry game in the Meadowlands -never easy.
- Week 14 - Chargers - In case anyone else is like me and isn't paying much attention to the AFC West, the Chargers have rattled off 6 straight wins, including a blowout in Denver, and impressive wins against the Eagles and Giants.
- Week 15 - @ New Orleans - Best team in the NFL, and it isn't close. The Saints will still need this one, too, since the Vikings are still lurking with one loss and home field will still be in question.
- Week 16 - @ Washington - The Redskins dominated the Cowboys a couple weeks ago. Yes, dominated them. If the Redskins' kicker makes an easy chip shot FG, the Eagles are tied for the division lead right now.
- Week 17 - Philadelphia - Gotta love the football gods.
Tony Romo's trip to Vegas - In case you missed it, Tony Romo went to Vegas this weekend with Miles Austin for a "charity event." Still, it's Vegas, and thoughts of Romo's trip to Cabo before their playoff game in 2007 immediately comes to mind. So it was a "charity event," right? No big deal. Dallas fans will look to swiftly sweep it under the carpet, but this a legitimate indication of how Romo is wired.
Was Romo in Vegas for a charity event? Yes. Did he do any partying while he was out there? I don’t know, I wasn’t there, but there’s certainly no shortage of things to do there if you’re a 29 year old male. Frankly, whether he found time to have fun in Vegas or not is kind of irrelevant.
See, here’s the thing… Whether the "charity event" was in Las Vegas or Des Moines, Iowa, he’s still missing extremely valuable time preparing for a huge showdown against an NFC East rival. Would Peyton Manning sacrifice valuable preparation time to be in Vegas for a charity event during the season? Quite simply, no, he wouldn’t. Romo has a history to go along with the reputation that he may not be as committed to winning as some of the other great, elite QB’s in the league, and this is just yet another example.
Vegas (and whatever Romo’s charity is) will still be there in February, will they not? Why lose valuable time and further feed the perception that you don’t care about winning before a HUGE game in December, which, oh by the way, historically hasn’t exactly been your best month? It’s stupid. If the Cowboys lose, watch this story become larger than life.
The Giants look horrible - Really not much more to say here. They're playing some really bad football.
Things I don't like to see in the 2nd half of the season...
The Coaching decisions continue to amaze me (in a bad way) - I don't care if the Redskins weren't ready for an onsides kick, and I don't care how good of an idea it looked like when they saw what they saw on film. When you're playing a 3-7 team that is missing Albert Haynesworth, Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels, Deangelo Hall, and Randy Thomas, you simply don't try an onsides kick on the opening kickoff. Pure stupidity.
We still can't cover TE's - Let's take a look at how some TE's have played against us this year...
- Jeremy Shockey - 4 catches, 49 yards
- Kellen Winslow - 9 catches, 102 yards, 2 TD
- Zach Miller - 6 catches, 139 yards, 1 TD
- Fred Davis (in limited action after Cooley got hurt) - 8 catches, 78 yards, 1 TD
- Kevin Boss - 3 catches, 70 yards, 1 TD
- Jason Witten - 7 catches, 43 yards
- Antonio Gates - 7 catches, 78 yards
- Greg Olsen - 7 catches, 42 yards (and several plays in which he was wide open but Cutler missed him)
- Fred Davis - 4 catches, 43 yards, 1 TD
That's consistently awful. I don't have any suggestions on how to fix it either, which is equally troubling.
Our pass rush - Wait, we're 6th in the league in sacks, with 31, what's not to like? Well, aside from Trent Cole, nobody, and I mean no-bo-dy is getting to the QB. I love Brodrick Bunkley and Mike Patterson in the run game, but fellas... Can we get at least a little bit of penetration up the middle on pass plays? I'm not even asking for you 2 guys to make the play on your own - Can you guys please just get enough of a push to clean up the sack after Cole has forced the QB to step up? We're consistently giving up plays when opposing QB's are able to step up cleanly in the pocket, take an extra second, and find a RB or TE open as a safety valve. As for the left side, Juqua Parker, Victor Abiamiri, and Chris Clemons have been bad. Parker may have 5 sacks, but he never sees a double team, and has too many opportunities not to be making a bigger impact. They have to get more production form that spot.
A first round bye is pretty much out of the question, by any stretch - There's just way too much ground to make up on the Vikings, not that we should really even be considering it in the first place right now. We're pretty much guaranteed an extremely difficult road through the playoffs, should we be fortunate enough to make it to the tourney yet again.
Anything else you like/dislike so far in the 2nd half of the season?
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Nice List
Like The Balanced Playcalling , running The Ball in Short Yardage, No matter How Many Times we Get Stopped, The Fact that Westy, DJax, and Akeem Will Be Back Soon (i hope), Overall Determination of Every1 to Pick their respective games up a notch
Dislike
Multiple Penalties, Not Getting to the QB consistently outside of the awesome Cole or getting off the field Consistently in 3rd Dwns, ST kick returrns and coverage We can and must improve here
Ah, penalties...
Had that in my head, but forgot it. You’re absolutely right. The biggest killers that I’ve seen so far this season are the blocks in the back and holding calls on kick/punt returns, which we’ve had in spades. Those can be the most damaging penalties in football.
Great post once again
I am definitely on the same page as you regarding our inability to cover TE’s and the pass rush. Trent Cole is an absolute monster and i believe he is deserving of an all pro selection once this year is all wrapped up, but he is getting no help whatsoever. We need to find a solution to our TE problem as soon as possible, but realistically we wont be able to fix it til the season is over. That being said I have a question for you, which problem is the higher priority: TE coverage or getting a better pass rush from the front four/ in general?
The rookies
Ah, the rookies/2nd year players. The good, the bad, and the ugly, this is the team of the future now.
Jackson – Great in open field, not so much in traffic, causing some great returns, also a few bad results in the return game. Rookie mistakes along with flashy talent.
Maclin – Slow starting but rounding into a solid season. Maybe with DJax slowed down, he comes into his own. Again, he’s a rookie!
Celek – Top 5 NFL TE right now. 2nd year player, still improving!!!
McCoy – Rookie stepping into the greatest RB in the past 30 years shoes, and playing very very well. A few errors but showing improvement over the past few games. ROOKIE!
Peters – ok, not a rookie, but new to the system, and our best OL. Again, showing improvement over the past few games.
These young ‘uns are showing great ability, and are also causing some of our inconsistency. I will forgive the latter for now, as you can’t coach ability. Much of the trials of the team can be understood to be growing pains in these important positions.
Overall, it’s amazing to think that Andy once a long, long time ago (start of last year) had a reputation for not trusting rookies and new players. Our skill players are among the best young players in the league, and should provide the core to get Andy and the fans excited about the offense for the next 5 years at least!
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
Rec'd
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
Theres no excuse for the DTs not getting penetration, especially Bunkley.
The man is strong as hell. Thats why I am so high on Antonio Dixon. Everytime they put him in, he pushes right through the line and pressures the QB. He already has a sweet ass FG block. Washington is retarded for letting him go.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
Agreed
When they signed Dixon early in the season I thought he’d be here for maybe a week or two as just a body, but now this kid looks like he has the potential to develop into a very solid player.
Andy and the rest of the players supposedly love this kid too. He does everything he’s asked and is just an all-around good person.
Him being 6-3 322lbs didn't hurt his chances either.
Its about time we got a 2 gap DT.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
Read his personal story too ...
… came up extremely hard, I can totally see him as a character guy who will not let an opportunity pass him by without giving it his all. And he has the physical tools.
I knew he must be good the game they activated him and deactivated Laws. I don’t think there was an injury there either, I think it was playing to Dixon’s strength (vs. the run)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
The guys over at Hog's Haven
hated to see him go
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
GBU's
Good—Donovan, McCoy, Celek (with the NOTABLE exception of this week), ShEli’s choking shitfest of a season, Trent Cole
Bad—Reid (costs us too many games, refusal to run, take your pick), Offensive line (it is truly offensive. I am surprised Donovan is alive with the completely horrid o-line play this year)
Ugly—We have the worst linebackers in the NFL. We also have an appalling lack of discipline on special teams. Does anyone else miss John Harbaugh at that job as much as I do?
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
We also have an appalling lack of discipline on special teams.
Good gravy, I couldn’t agree more! The special teams penalties really put the offense and defense in tough situations. Hell, even with the TERRIBLE choice to onsides the opening kickoff against a struggling Washington offense, there was an offsides penalty that gave them five more yards, putting the ball at the Eagles 19 yd line. And that was just one of too many I can think of off the top of my head.
Smack it up, flip it, rub it down... OH NOOOooo!
ST Penalties are at the top of my Ugly list this year...
it’s disgusting. Every return gets called back…it really seems like EVERY one
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Great list Dawk!
I’m glad you hit on the depth of the team. Without it, there would be no way this team would be where they are now. There are a lot of teams in the league that have killer starting talent, but have fallen flat on their faces when some starters go down. This team has been able to patch up key injuries with productive role players.
Smack it up, flip it, rub it down... OH NOOOooo!
Agreed with everyone...
I would like to add our run defense has been one of the best. The Eagles have not allowed a 100 yard rusher in 18 straight regular season games.
I would also like to add a HUGE Dislike.
- is playing better than all three of our free safeties combined!
Damn you FO! :- [
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
WTF?
That’s supposed to say #20 is playing better than all three of our safeties combined!
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
can anyone photoshop a picture of a hamburger into andy reids hand in that second picture… that would be awesome
Our Depth – The depth of this team has truly stepped up big-time this season. Stewart Bradley, Shawn Andrews, Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Todd Herremans, Cornelius Ingram, Omar Gaither, Ellis Hobbs, Victor Abiamiri, Stacy Andrews, Chris Gocong, Kevin Curtis, Akeem Jordan, and so on. Honestly, how many teams can sustain this many injuries to this many good players and still be 7-4?
Seriously … I posted a list and we are around average for the league in IR’d players (at least when I did the list) . Difference is we have put a lot of starters on that list and lost several other starters for a few games here and there. I’m pretty happy with the team so far.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
as far as the 1st round bye is concerned
I’m not really worried at all about that…. however, i really want the eagles to win the division so that we get the wildcard game at home.
I think the Eagles will win the division and i think there is a great possibility that the Birds win wildcard weekend. If they could somehow get the 3 seed that would be ideal, but I’d also be pretty jacked about playing a 16-0 saints team that had a week off to let a little rust set in.
Fellas (and Eaglesgrl) lets face it. After wildcard weekend its gonna be brutal. Either way its a dome team at home…
I never wish injuries on anyone… but i have to think the one kryptonite of both the Vikings and the Saints, is if the QB goes down they’re in big trouble
Dont Disrespect the Level
I would say the crippling injury for the Vikes would be AP, not Favre. I might even be tempted to say Jared Allen would also be a bigger loss to that team.
And now that you mention it, the 3 seed and 4 seed will be a MAJOR, MAJOR difference. The Saints are a far better team than the Vikings. I’d much rather play them.
Even with the "balanced" play calling
we’re still not a very good offense right now…and we’re real banged up on D… Im more pessimistic than opti
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
com'on son!
everyone knows the birds have problems, but this team is startin to get on a roll and get some swagger
i say this with all respect due, but shut up and drink some kool-aid! im excited at what this team can do right now and enjoying the moment
RIP JJ & HK
Just fucking win. (as said by LegendKnight22)
dude your posts should just start out with 5 recs to save the time it seems everyone immediately makes it to the top … not without reason.
I just want the Eagles to take care of business and not have to worry about a collapse or other teams winning.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Come on Dawk
Thats a bit of a stretch isn’t it? Romo spent 14 hours in Vegas, on a Friday in which the whole team had the day off. We played on Thursday and so have a long week anyway. Romo was at Valley Ranch on Saturday morning.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
Haha...
This was debated at GREAT length at your site…
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/11/30/1179848/sound-the-alarm-bells
If you can read the entire thing, consider me impressed.
Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown – We’ve given up a slew of big games to opposing TE’s, but anyone out there want to venture a guess how many WR’s have had 100 yards against us this year? NONE. Zip. Zilch. This is the best cornerback tandem in the NFL, period.
This is the truth.
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
beautiful work of art dawk
couldnt agree more. just would of added the penalties. great peice.
"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
McCoy
As cool as that 2 point conversion was, we won by 3 points…I don’t understand how saying we don’t win without that play.
It's not as simple as that.
If he doesn’t make that 2 point conversion, we’re down 24-22, and the Redskins are most definitely not calling the same kind of plays that they did after we tied it. They would be much more apt to run clock, and be content to just pick up first downs and play the field position game, as opposed to aggressively looking to throw downfield, which isn’t exactly their specialty. Because we tied it, they were forced to try to score, which kind of played into our hands.
Thanks Dawk
You could have said a lot worse about the Giants!
I would expect the NFC East champ to be the no 3 seed which could result in the Eagles playing Dallas in the first round (venue to be determinded).
How would you feel about playing the Boys two weeks in a row?
How would you rate your chaces if you played in Arizzona again or would you rather face Green Bay at home?
If you got through that game would you rather play the Vikings or Saints next given they would have had a week off?
by G Fan in England on Dec 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions
How would you feel about playing the Boys two weeks in a row?
Hey, good question… And no matter whether the Cowboys or Eagles win the division, that’s a very real possibility. I hadn’t thought of that yet. I’m all for it. In recent history, they’ve taken the first game against us in recent seasons, and we’ve dominated the second matchup. So I’m all for that. Plus, despite our loss to them, I think we just match up against them better than some of the other contenders.
How would you rate your chaces if you played in Arizona again or would you rather face Green Bay at home?
Much rather face anybody at home, but I’d be fine with either matchup.
If you got through that game would you rather play the Vikings or Saints next given they would have had a week off?
No-brainer. The Vikings. The Saints are the best team in the NFL this year. You saw what they did to the Giants – They pretty much did the same thing to us. Hell, they’ve done that to everyone this year. We beat the Vikings in their house last year in the playoffs – Granted, it’s a much better team this year, but that game is at least winnable. Also, the Vikings have had a number of very iffy wins, especially at home – San Fran should have beaten them in Minny, the Ravens had a chance to kick a chip shot field goal in Minny to beat them, and missed, the Steelers beat them in Minny (I think). Meanwhile, I’d give us a extremely slim chance against the Saints. They’re just too good.
You could have said a lot worse about the Giants!
I have an odd respect for the Giants. There are definitely some players I really dislike (AP, Jacobs, etc), but historically they’ve had some players I’ve respected (Strahan). I live like 5 minutes from Giants Stadium, so obviously I know my fair share of Giants fans, and they just don’t annoy me the same way the bandwagon Dallas idiots do. Don’t get me wrong – The Giants are firmly entrenched as my 2nd most hated team in the league, but I reserve my pure hatred for the Cowboys.
Great post.
I’m sorry to say it guys, but I don’t think this is our year. Next year looks unbelievable though. All of our rookies will be more experienced, and the Jackson-Maclin tandem is sure to scare any of the leagues best defenses (that’s assuming that DJax is still on the team….damn you Rosenhaus). Sadly, Westy will be gone, but the loss doesn’t seem as bad as we would have previously thought with the up and coming Shady. The biggest difference between this years team and next years is the return of Bradley at MIKE. This will bring some stability (and talent) to our group of horrendous LBs…not to mention leadership for the entire team (which will hopefully help us to cut back on penalties). Hopefully we don’t lose any key players in the off season, and I’m sure that Reid will work his magic in the draft again and bring in some great young talent. Next year is the year. Superbowl XLIV!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you call a Cowboys fan with half a brain?
---Gifted.
GO IGGLES!!!
Jackson will be on the team… whether he likes it or not.
I’m sure he’ll want to extend his contract after this year, but whether they do or not, he’s still under contract.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
they most definantly need to keep him
Happy… He’s a good kid and a hell of a player, give him some MONEY.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
He is still under contract. The could probably hold out another year and then pay him. But even if you’re unhappy with your contract.. well tough on you. I’m sure Sheldon would like a new contract but he just signed one a couple years back – and Jackson just signed his rookie deal last year. He is stuck with it for now. He will get paid money when the FO wants to pay him. No doubt when it comes that time – we should keep him and pay up.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
No we can not.
Look when you tear your ACL your pretty much 100% ready to play 6-9 months later.. Now he will have to do football specific drills after that but he will have to take it easy to insure he doesnt aggrivate it…
Then there is the mental side of things, I almost guarentee that he will not be back 100% until mid-late season in 2010. Its not 100% the physical aspect but more mental than anything. He will also have to catch back up to game speed which we saw how long it took for brady to catch up..
Trust me he will be back at some point, but it wont be right off the bat next year…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Yep... Thats why I want Micah Johnson, cuz once Bradley is back
100% we can move him to SLB
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
MLB for the university of kentucky...
hes fucking massive, hes fast, and hits like a truck…
just youtube him.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
why do people continue to overrate the Asante/Brown tandem.
It’s not the best in the league.
which team has 2 better starters?
and what would you provide as evidence in favor of your statement?
are you Retarded???
please tell us which team in the entire NFL has a better CB duo???
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
I agree that Brown/Samuel is the best starting tandem in the league.
But if I had to pick another tandem that was close, it would have to be Charles Woodson and Al Harris (before he tore his ACL). Having said that, the Samuel/Brown tandem is better.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
I would take the Cincy CBs over ours and I woulda took the Saints CBs before they got hurt
Sheldon has been stellar but Asante blows coverage too often and despite his 7 ints he’s given up 3 TDs. He’s route jumping may work on mediocre QBs, but chances are he’s gonna have to buckle down when we get to the playoffs against Brees/Favre/Warner or else he’s gonna cost us big. Also his tackling is an embarrassment. Deion could get away with it because he covered like Jesus but Asante is no Deion.
Cincy
joseph- 5 INT to 2 TD 8 pass defended 58.5% completion
Hall- 4 int to 1 TD 8 pass defended. 53.4% completion
Philly
Asante- 7 INT 3 TD 2 pass defended and 61.9% complete
Sheldon- 4 INT 1 TD and 7 Pass defended with a 44.4% completion
Assuming I copied all the stats down right (and the stats are correct) I would say they’re pretty even. Asante gets 2 more INTs and about the same completion percentage but one more TD against. Sheldon has 1 less pass defended but a lower completion percentage. i’d say it’s pretty even. I didn’t look at the saints though…since you said they are injured figured what’s the point. btw, asasnte does have 14 missed tackles…it is pathetic. (stats from profootballfocus.com)
Vehemently disagree...
Cincy? They have 2 really nice, young corners, no question… But they’re nowhere near the level of a Sheldon Brown and Asante Samuel.
As for the Saints, Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown have more combined picks this year than Jabari Greer and Tracy Porter have in their entire careers combined. I’m not saying that INT’s are the end-all of what it is to be a great corner, but still… Let’s try not to get carried away with Tracy Porter and Jabari Greer.
Now, even if you truly believe that the Saints and Bengals corners are better, that’s what? 2 teams? That indicates to me that you feel the Eagles corners are the 3rd best in the NFL, and you’re calling them overrated?
he steped it up the past 2-3 weeks
until he hurt his shoulder.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
With Few Exceptions
I haven’t seen Samuel as a tackler. He is an avoid contact guy. I was watching the Indy/Pats AFC championship game of a few years back (on NFL network) and saw Samuels miss three tackles on the opening drive. He was bad the hole game. The guy is a playmaker on the ball, but he obviously doesn’t consider tackling to be part of his job description.
What about...
Charles Woodson and Al Harris before Harris got hurt?
Like I said before, I’d still take Asante and Sheldon easily over those two, but curious what you guys think. Would you take Woodson/Harris over the Bengals or Saints tandems?
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Well Woodson has given up 4 TDs and Wilson is having a good but not great season IMO.
I’d take NO, Cin and ours over them.
His name is Harris not Wilson...
I’ll give the you the tie with Cincinnati(and that’s pushing it) but Greer/Porter is not even in the same tier as Samuel/Brown. You called them “overrated” but you are putting them in the top 3? Get real.
Brown: 44% Catch PCT, 13.9 avg, 1 TD, 4 INT, 40 QB rating(lowest in league)
Samuel: 62% Catch PCT, 11.0 avg, 3 TD, 7 INT (tied for 1st among CBs), 66 QB rating.
Combined AVG: 53% Catch PCT, 12.5 avg, 4 TD, 11 INT, 53 QB rating
Greer: 41% Catch PCT, 10.1 avg, 1 TD, 2 INT, QB rating 45
Porter: 55% Catch PCT, 13.7 avg, 0 TD, 3 INT, QB rating 59
Combined AVG: 48% Catch PCT, 11.9 avg, 1 TD, 5 INT, 52 QB rating
Bye Dawk made a great point, that it’s easier to defend when you have the best offense in the league that is way ahead in almost every game. You know the opponent is going to pass so it makes it twice as hard for the offense. Has anyone ever mentioned Greer or Porter(granted Porter only played 5 games as a rookie last season) before this year? Nope. They are good but not even close to being elite.
Hall: 53% Catch PCT, 11.4 avg, 1 TD, 4 INT, 49 QB rating
Joseph: 59% Catch PCT, 13.7 avg, 2 TD, 5 int, 62 QB rating
Combined AVG: 56% Catch PCT, 12.6 avg, 3 TD, 9 INT, 56 QB rating
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
TDs and INTs were just added. Catch PCT, AVG, and QB rating are averages and calculated correctly, thank you, Sir.
You are alone in this argument with reason. Give it up.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
I could care less if I'm alone.
pct, avg, and QB rating are qualitative numbers you dunce. You can’t just go and find the mean of them if you want find those combined stats of two CBs. And I’m the dumb one? Really?
No...
They are quantitative, smart one. If you seriously think the Porter/Greer tandem is a better tandem than Brown/Asante, then yes you ARE the dumb one.
Are you JIBTA’s twin or something? That would make more sense than your argument.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
They're Quantitative?
LOL I’m dealing with a genius here,
That makes one of us. Nice try bud.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
by Route36 on Dec 4, 2009 3:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's right.
On the calculation errors…unless they’ve both defended the same number of passes, you can’t add both percentages together and get a combined average.
For example:
If Samuel successfully defended 6 of 10 passes, he would have a 40% catch percentage against him.
If Brown successfully defended 30 of 90 passes, he would have a 66% catch percentage against him.
Taking the mean of the two percentages would give you a 53%.
But actually they would have successfully defended 36 of 100 total passes (adding the total throws defended by both) and therefore, they actually have a combined 74% catch percentage against them.
Right.....my bad. I admit it.
Math was never my strong point. lol. He said the numbers were qualitative, from what I remember, qualitative and numbers don’t go together. I could go back and do it correctly but just too lazy. Either way, it would still prove my point,Greer/Porter are inferior to Asante/Brown. THAT I’m sure of. Thanks for the explanation.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
Also because Porter and Greer are no names
That somehow minimizes their ability? Great Logic.
You are one...dumb...motherf.....
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
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