If You Want to Argue McNabb; Here is some data
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 PM EST
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McNabbs ’09 Performance:
No doubt the issue of McNabb is emotional, and the arguments can be intense. I hate emotional arguments because they go nowhere. I am posting McNabb’s situational stats simply so that the arguments can be more educated. Here is the data, analyze it and make your conclusion as you will:
Attempts:
1-10; he has a 99.6 rating
11-20; a 124.2 rating
21-30; a 53.1 rating
31+; a 53.1 rating
***McNabb has not thrown a TD pass this year beyond his 20th attempt.
By Half:
1st Half; 116.3 rating (9TDs-1INT)
2nd Half; 67.9 rating (1TD-2INTs)
By Quarter:
1st Q: 89.8
2nd Q: 132.3
3rd Q: 69
4th Q: 66.5
4th Q within 7 points: 62.5
***McNabb has NO 4th quarter TDs
Location:
Home: 118.7
Away 76.2
Point Situation:
Ahead: 112.7
Ahead by 1-8pts: 117.4
Ahead by 9-16pts: 149
Behind: 76.3
Tied: 82.1
***McNabb is completing only 50.8% of his passes when we’re behind.
***The larger the lead, the better he plays!
-To be fair, in ’08 his rating was 100.6 for attempts over 30, and 4th Quarter was his best with a 103 rating. He was still better with a lead than playing behind
-In ’07 he was best in passes 21-30...and consistent between halves. Slightly better when playing with the lead.
-Skipping ‘05-’06 for injuries
-In ’04 he was much better with a lead (103.8 vs 84.5); much better in the 1st half (124.5 vs 79.5); and much worse as he had to pass more.
***While I'm getting closer to the Kevin Kolb train, I am DEFINITELY on the "want to win" train. These stats alarm me because they don't seem to be the stats of a good QB.
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agreed, these stats are definately alarming
BUT, i’m not leaning towards Kolb. McNabb’s our guy. Things looked pretty grim last year too but I think we all know from watching this guy’s career that if any one is capable of turning his performance around, it’s Donovan.
The season is just halfway over and we are in second place with a winning record in the division. This is a tough division and some games are bound to be lost. Donovan’s blocking last night wasn’t exactly top notch. I’m expecting big things in the second half of the season, but maybe im just an optimist.
by Q27 on Nov 9, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ahhh jalarsen i love ya
you are the new andrew b….and thats a compliment. These stats are quite an eye opener, and you know ive been one of the people heading the Kolb bandwagon….now im firmly glued to my front seat position
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what ever happened to Andrew B?
Dont Disrespect the Level
by 700 Level on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
posts every now and again.. i miss him too
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
based on your stats
you can see the decline…but whether or not Mcnabb really IS worse now that he was in the past, i’m sticking with him. We have to support him instead of boo him when he makes an incomplete throw. The fact is, is that mcnabb did not lose this game. This is football, you lose as a team and you win as a team. I can understand if the game depended upon a last second whatever, but it didn’t. this isn’t tennis, you can’t lame a loss on ONE PERSON. especially this game, which was terrible all around. I think the problem is that we are all PISSED cause it was the friggin cowboys (and i’m just gonna say it, they were terrible too, we both were), it just happened that they played less worse than us (whatever that means). But lets understand something…we are 5-3, we are one game behind the cowboys (who only go downhill from here, unlike us) and we face them again. we are currently fifth in the conference and we are above .500, and we are only HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON PEOPLE….its like this mcnabb is new to us…relax guys, and just enjoy the ride
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
*it's as if this mcnabb is new to us
we seriously need some type of an edit button lol
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Nov 9, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bah edit is overrated baaahhahaha
i say that cuz my typing is atrocious
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb is obviously capable of being AWESOME!
He just doesn’t do it all the time. I know we’re still in this, and I’m not down on the season, I just hate our inconsistency. I really have no idea what to expect going in to any game. It’s hard to get excited about any game.
It is becoming painfully ridiculous to see how much we need a big play in order to get anything going offensively. We simply do not seem able to sustain drives…and we’re not always going to get the big play (Oakland, Dallas)…I want to believe that we can win even if the opposing defense doesn’t blow coverage on DeSean one time.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i understand what your saying completely...but...
other than 2004 when we went to the SB, this happens to us EVERY season and we all react the same way. i’m just as frustrated as you, we all are, even mcnabb is, but we just have to be patient and see whats gonna go down before we sit a franchis qb for a 2nd rounder a few years ago that hat 2 career starts….just saying that sounds crazy
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*franchise and *had...damnit thats three times on the say post
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*SAME* post
LOL
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree but Concerned
Yeah, I’m pissed because it was the Cowboys, but I’m concerned about our second half schedule including on the road against both the Giants and these stinkin Cowboys.
by Soren K on Nov 14, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These stats...
look about right…its a shame. I hope he can turn it around, but I just dont think its going to happen.
by Tbot86 on Nov 9, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Great stats, definitely an interesting statistical view that takes the emotion out of the argument. I’d like to see what McNabb can do the rest of the season, but if he maintains what he has done so far this season, I think it is obvious that we need to change something. And I think Kevin Kolb is that change.
by worldphuckinchamps on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Please.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, what I meant to say was this.
Please. The Kevin Kolb nonsense is just that, nonsense. He is not “that change.” He is not even good. We need to stop.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
I would like to see the stats of other top 10 quarterbacks in the league to compare, i feel like a qb would be better with the lead, a lot less pressure, however, these stats don’t take in other factors, like offensive line against defensive line and drops, etc.
by PhilsForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
We need other top QB’s stats to compare.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Nov 10, 2009 2:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
that was a reply to philsforever
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Nov 10, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eli MAnning, Tony Romo
Wonder what their stats are like?……..
by Virgoman3 on Nov 10, 2009 2:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
here ya go
………..Romo…McNabb..Manning..Campbell
Total…..95.8……95.5……89.5……86.5
1-10……96.5……99.6……95.9……65.9
11-20…..94.1….124.2…….82.0……91.0
20-30…..87.3……53.1…..101.1…..102.9
31+……120.2……53.1……63.7…..107.0
Home….92.3…..118.7……94.1……76.3
Away……99.0……76.2……86.5……97.0
Ahead….87.6…..112.7…..101.9……74.0
Behind…94.5……76.3……76.9……88.0
Tied…..115.0…….82.1….100.7……93.3
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
McNabb hit or miss
I feel like the standard deviation for McNabb is greater than any other quarter back in the league, he is always hit or miss.
by worldphuckinchamps on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
which is why so many people get frustrated with McNabb.
by worldphuckinchamps on Nov 10, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol true that virgo
You can make stats say whatever you want…..So sad that idiots are taking up bandwidth with a top 3 winningest (sp) Qb of the past decade.
by Mikegeminsky on Nov 10, 2009 2:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So sad that idiots take time replying to idiots
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the EAGLES are the top winningest team
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This says to me
More than what you’re implying.
It’s not like McNabb’s arm is going to get tired.
1. Andy Reid NEVER makes half-time adjustments. Therefore, what worked in the first half through the air may not work in the second-half, but McNabb will be sent out there to keep doing the same thing.
2. It doesn’t account for receivers dropping the ball. Take Sunday night for instance (which is almost a 5th of the sample size). McNabb made two perfect throws with the game on the line that were dropped. Our receivers drop too large a number of passes for this to be ignored, particularly later in the game.
3. The sample size is 5.5 games, and we have been leading in the second half of all but two of them. So you’re really talking about 3-4 games with which we are drawing conclusions about third and fourth quarter performance.
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
those throws were fucking LASERS and were tough catches
other than that there was only 1 bad drop. We are always leading the league in drops as a team.. WONDER WHY??
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're putting them on McNabb?
You know who else throws lasers? Brett Favre.
We lead the league in drops because we have young receivers. Yes McNabb throws a hard ball but it also helps him fit the ball into tight spaces. The throw to Celek was a throw maybe two other qb’s can make. Celek should have caught it, particularly with the game on the line.
There was more than one bad drop. The throw to Maclin was not shot out of a cannon and it was very accurate. The screen pass to McCoy? Was that too fast as well?
McNabb does have touch and accuracy. You neglect to mention the throws he made to keep us in the game. Couple of big throws to Avant, great throw over Brooking’s arms to Maclin.
And I’m assuming you accept the other two as reasons for McNabb’s poor performance later in the game because you’re not rebutting them.
Sometimes you need to throw a laser, especially if it is in tight coverage. I’d rather have a qb that can do that than one that can’t.
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb does have touch and accuracy
Of course, he’s an NFL QB. He also doesn’t. Which accounts for the frustration of his inconsistency.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb does have touch and accuracy.
……………………………………………….In Madden!
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by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The TD pass to Celek actually had some nice touch on it.
And it was right on the money too. So it’s there. Just not all the time.
by NOLACuse on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's there
just sometimes
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...
So you would rather have a QB with less arm Strength JoeD…doesn’t really make much sense, there’s a reason why arm strength is a pretty important category when determining if a QB can be successful at the next level.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's only part of the equation though
if a QB can make quick decisions and put the ball in the right spot, it doesn’t really matter how hard the ball is thrown. Arm strength is important to a point, but if that were the case, JaMarcus Russell would be a good QB.
by eagleyosh on Nov 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha.
I had a feeling JaMarcus Russell would be thrown into a response to that comment lol.
I was just pointing out how it is a very important quality to have in a pro QB so that they can make those tough throws and throws that require more arm strength such as deep out routes as my colleague JoeD was alluding to the fact that he would prefer one with less arm strength..
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
the response to that is “deep passes are low percentage plays. I’d rather have a QB that can consistently make the high percentage plays but struggles with the longer ones than a QB that can make the long passes but struggles with the shorter ones.”
by eagleyosh on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JaMarcus Russell has the most arm strength
so does Vick… How is it working out for them?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Marino and John Elway
Threw lasers. Both bad QB’s. They threw too “intensely” at their receivers. Elway famously threw such hard balls that he would put a mark on the chest of his receivers called the “Elway Cross.” Thankfully for us, Kolb throws the Downy-soft (and oh so cuddly to intercept) pillows that we rightly cherish. No one forgot to add the fabric softener to Kolb’s game.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marino had an above average arm from my memory, not Laser rocket arm.
Don’t remember him the way you do. I remember a guy who made crisp short and intermediate throws.
Now Cunningham and Testeverde had rocket arms, this was proven on the old QB challenges in the 90s. Testeverde threw a 80 bomb, and Cunningham threw a 77 yard.
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by yophillybro on Nov 12, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Pinkston, Thrash, Mitchell, LJ, et al played big roles in that department.
Unless you are willing to argue they were actually all good receivers but never proved it because McNabb threw too hard.
by NOLACuse on Nov 10, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU +1
Couldn’t agree more.
It is on the fucking INCONSISTENT coaching/playcalling…just as much as it’s on McNabb. Where are the half-time adjustments…seriously.
Not to say that McNabb doesn’t miss a throw..esp those quick slants that he needs to hit wrs in stride more or the occasional dirt ball, but the coaching is a HUGE reason why he is inconsistent. If we want to use those stats as reference…limit McNabb to around 20-25 attempts, which is what we should do since our O-line is built to run the ball. I think some of our struggles running is the type of running plays we call. How bout some fb/hb dives with in a power formation with a fb in there instead of these singleback counters/traps that aren’t very effective when trying to pick up that tough yard or two.
And yea..sample size does matter…2008 is probably a better reference or check back in when we’re closer to the end of this season.
And there were some bad drops that weren’t due to overthrowing the ball…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't quote me on this
but I’m pretty sure Andy doesn’t always make adjustments because what he’s calling is there…the players just aren’t executing. I know after the Oakland game I looked at the video rewind on a different site, and it clearly showed that McNabb just didn’t see WIDE open receivers multiple times. All Andy can do is call the plays…it’s up to the players to execute.
That’s besides the point though. Football is a team sport. I feel like the McNabb argument gets emotional. Instead of singling one person out, I prefer to go person by person and point out how they sucked. Fouku=dumb penalties. O-line=can’t get a push (deja vu of last year). McNabb=played like trash. McCoy=danced instead of hitting the hole for the one damn inch. Maclin=you don’t catch balls with your helmet.
you get the point…fans pick on everyone (or at least they should). the cowboys game there was plenty of blame to go around, but mcnabb still deserves his fair share, as has made a habit of playing lights out or not showing up.
by eagleyosh on Nov 11, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely...
see your point and I couldn’t agree more…
The main reason I’m posting so much defending McNabb because I get pissed at the amount of blame he receives compared to that of the coaching staff and the rest of our players…coupled with the lack of respect when the guy has done nothing but to assist in establishing the organization as one of the most successful in the last 10+ years..
I especially have zero problem with educated arguments that are in favor of a different QB or a change when they are valid. I guess I’ll just never understand why some fans just absolutely hate the guy and have no respect for what’s hes done for us.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
Why do we have the largest line in the league if we don’t run the ball? Shouldn’t we get a pass-blocking line…especially one fast enough to get outside on our screens? And shouldn’t we sue the Andrews brothers for our cap money back? Or maybe, we should use Weaver and huge line and run it down their throats!
by Soren K on Nov 14, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I didn't know it was that bad.
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by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It seems like we can’t keep a streak of wins going longer than 3 games at most and then the Eagles will just go out and play a stinker and then it’s back to basics as usual I’ve pretty much gotten used to this. This is the same kinda talk that circulates mid-season every year for the Eagles because they always play this way and you can never count on them to come out with their game-faces. It’s like a week-to-week thing where fans are left to guess which version of the Eagles will show up this week.
by fhqwagads on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
McNabb does seem to be hit or miss
but 2 things are missing from this.
1) McNabbs escape ability and the playmaking that comes from this.
2) He is working with a 1st year. WR, a 2nd year WR, and a 3rd year WR.
Your young WRs are way ahead of the curve but remember they are young and their games havent rounded out. They should be better the second half if frustration doesnt set in and much better next year.
Flip side to that is taking your lumps for a 1.5 years and letting Kolb and these guys grow up together to become a unit. Scary thought if your not sold on Kolb.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 10, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Should read 3rd year TE. Proof read dammit.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff jalarsen !!! I Dig tha approach...
No need to say anything else..nuff said!
+1
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by Realtalk32 on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
ps........
we most def NEED AN EDIT BUTTON.
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by Realtalk32 on Nov 10, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing that can be said
the way McNabb goes is the way this team goes. When he is playing bad we are usually losing. So in some of these cases it could be “We are losing because McNabb is playing bad” not “McNabb is playing bad because we are losing.” Not that either of those is good just saying I don’t think he is a total choke artist (like Romo status haha).
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 10, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also this is surprising
31+; a 53.1 rating
considering that most of the TDs were long passes to desean
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 10, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I’m reading it wrong but I think that number is for number of attempts, not yards. Meaning – 31+ attempts he has 53.1 rating.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
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by Eaglesgrl5 on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're reading it correctly
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh ok thank you
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with that last stat is your throwing that much there is a good chance your getting your ass kicked
and the D is sitting back ther knowing whats coming and Teeing off on you.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
there are reasons the stats are the way they are. Few QBs are actually better when losing, there’s so much more pressure, and usually you are throwing to play catch-up and the defense knows it.
However, the stats are still alarming.
I just haven’t decided if McNabbs inconsistent because the team’s inconsistent, or if the team’s inconsistent because McNabb is inconsistent. The best argument really says that the team around McNabb has changed drastically over a decade, but the inconsistency has not changed. That kinda seems to leave McNabb as the common thread around the inconsistency.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to argue about that but trust me when I tell you not having a QB is hell.
You guys have had it good for a while and might not appreciate what you have. Watching the likes of Quincy Carter,Drew Bledsoe,Drew Henson, Chad Hutchingson, Vinny Testaverdi, ect… Trust me, it always looks like their are QBs out there until you actually need one.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1111111111111
There are lots of fans that want to believe Kolb is the one to take over for McNabb, but are unwilling to admit that if he isn’t we will be royally fucked if we move on. People can make that argument that McNabb isn’t what he used to be or inconsistency is heightened, but they simply can’t argue that he is totally done. He still has top-tier ability and it would be crazy to willingly let that go in favor of an unknown. The risk vs the reward aren’t yet worth it.
by NOLACuse on Nov 10, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The offense, McNabb, and the whole team is inconsistent….
Guess who SHOULD take the brunt of the blame for that….the coaching staff.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To balance McNabb's inconsistencies...
Even though i am obviously on the support #5 side I do realize some days he’s absolutely lights out (giants game) compared to struggling in other games (raiders, cowgirls)
When he’s obviously having an off day, how bout the coaching staff makes the adjustment, transition etc to committing to taking the pressure off of him and switching up the playcalling to more runs and then hit em with the playaction which will in effect, give him more time and therefore increase his accuracy…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna keep saying telling you guys...
Kolb is a good accurate QB but he does NOT have good vision. He is gonna be a throwing a LOT of interceptions. Imagine what good defenses will do to him. Ed Reed pick 6 and Darren Sharper pick 6…exactly the same. He CAN’T see the Safety! Maybe he will get better with that, maybe he won’t but be happy with what you got right now. Yes, Mcnabb is inconsistent and has a tendency to throw balls to the dirt but I will take that over pick 6’s anyday. Let’s finish the second half strong.
Let’s give Mcnabb this year to see where he takes us, if we don’t get anywhere I’m calling for a head coaching change! LOL. Seriously, Andy Reid and Marty are done. They have bad game planning, bad play calling, bad play call design, bad in-game management. They don’t adjust shit when they are tied or losing at half time hence the 7-26-1 record. I am tired of seeing pass plays called three straight downs for a three and out. Tired of seeing them pass out of the shotgun on third and short. Tired of having a 70-30 pass to run ratio. Look at Andy Reid’s record the last 4 years. The defense has been top 10 almost every year but the Eagles don’t get anywhere.
Andy Reid only has a great record because of Jim Johnson’s defenses and Mcnabb. Without them this Eagles team would have been horrendous all these years. Andy Reid is a great VP of Football Operations…..that’s it.
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by Route36 on Nov 10, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good stuff
but mcnabb is not worth crap… kolb… who knows’s?… let’s let andy and the boys keep praising mcnabb and maybe he’ll have some trade value…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 10, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok you are an idiot
See I don’t have a problem with jalarsen or yophillybro because they will acknowledge that without McNabb, we would have sucked the past decade.
You on the other hand, should take your dumb ass over to Blogging the Boys. Anyone who thinks “McNabb is not worth crap” should follow this idiot
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
without mcnabb...
we would not have sucked… in fact we probably would have been much better… your assumption that no one else would have done as well as mcnabb is idiotic… garcia… who by any measure has never been a great qb only led the team to six and one record down the stretch… mcnabb… what a joke??? he’s a masochist’s dream… watching him fold like a tent when games are on the line is enough to make a true fan cry!!!! i will not acknowledge anything positive about mcnabb except for the fact that he’s a decent person who as such deserves our respect… but we’re talking football and he’s a choker!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but mcnabb is not worth crap
oh come on ..Elmo the faithful fan …do you really believe that ?
you know thats not true
R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...
by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 13, 2009 4:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit +1
Are we the same person because that post was perfect.
Great VP…shitty ass game time coach…There’s a reason why he’s so heavily relied on McNabb the past decade. Different coach, we’d probably have atleast 1 ring by now.
And while we’re at…Marty must suck even worse. Crazy to think both of them have the same bone-headed offensive philosophy not to mention the lack there of in game adjustments.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Reid and Marty gone YESTERDAY
And good defenses carve Kolb like a honeybaked ham. I desperately want Reid fired. That would be a good thing before Christmas so he can get one of those coveted mall Santa jobs.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You and Joe D are on opposite sides of this
Joe sees no problem with playcalling, just execution, and McNabb’s execution specifically.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 12, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously...
I understand where JoeD is coming from yet he neglects any evidence that the coaching staff could be a huge part, and a bigger part of the problem.
Apparently, he sees nothing wrong with the way Andy/Marty are game planning and calling plays before and during the game which to me and EvilBanner is absolutely ridiculous.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 12, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"ho! ho! ho! what do you want for christmas this year, young man?"
i want the eagles to run the ball on first down, you fat prick.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
by snowhill82 on Nov 12, 2009 6:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I can see it so clearly
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 12, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did like your honeybaked ham analogy though, made me chuckle. You still suck though.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 12, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By these stats
it looks like our only options are to take him out after the first half!
All kidding aside, it looks like what everyone has been saying. We should hold him to 20-25 passes a game and utilize our running game. But we all know thats not gonna happen.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Nov 10, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The west coast offense
has a running game with little short passes. It works really well when you can do it but McNabb is to inconsistent. We ran it heavily on a couple of the drives and how many points did we score on them? The fact is we have to execute and it’s not happening. Run or pass you HAVE to execute.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with that and I understand why all the talk about McNabb being inconsistent comes from. I’m generally optimistic so I can only hope that he progresses and gets better the second half of the season like last year. If not, I’ll be questioning our QB position like eveyone is now.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Nov 10, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
finnaly
more and more fans are waking up!!! this was the year the iggles were supposed to have the best collection of talent ever!!! and what a surprise… mcnabb and reid still can’t win the close… must win games… this latest fiasco is just more proof mcnabb’s lack of consistency and reid’s abysmall clock management mean more of the same… you can wait until hell freezes over and the results will be the same… change the formula… the results change…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 10, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what I miss
and we haven’t seen since Garcia…is the Eagles taking control of their own destiny and winning when it matters.
’04…the glory year!!!
’05…McNabb hurt…abysmal season, swept by division
’06…McNabb brought us to 5-5 before Garcia finished with us at 10-6 and winning the division.
’07…We finish at the bottom of the division 8-8
‘08…9-6-1…LUCKY entrance into the postseason. When we NEEDED the win against Washington, we couldn’t do it. (we did do it obviously in grand fashion against Dallas, but we were lucky that game even mattered)
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, in the past 3 years, our best run was with Garcia.
Oh how soon we forget. Garcia almost took us to an NFC championship game. And the offense was CRISP.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Last time I checked, an NFC Championship appearance is a longer run than a divisional playoff appearance.
2008 McNabb-led Eagles go to NFC Championship
2006 Jeff Garcia-led Eagles go to divisional playoff game
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the post season was impressive
the regular season was not
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
44-6
World Series- check
NBA Title- check
Stanley Cup- check
Superbowl- In progress...
by Route36 on Nov 11, 2009 12:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that was AWESOME
I don’t want to take anything away from that game! All I’m saying is we were extremely lucky that game even mattered. We had so many opportunities all season to keep our destiny in our own hands, and we often squandered it.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 11, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right
Agree…but 44-6 was the greatest regular season game in Eagles history as far as I’m concerned as far as what it did to Dallas…blew up a bunch of jokers.
by Soren K on Nov 14, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1, Garcia won all games needed in the end to get us in.
McNabb lost a huge game vs Washington when we needed it, and we got lucky thanks to Oakland.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 11, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
You are right. An NFC championship IS a farther playoff run than the divisional playoffs. How soon we forget.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 4:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did we not lose to Washington last year, when we had control of our own destiny.
And we needed a lucky win by Oakland for us to get in. We were very fortunate. 3 upsets took place that allowed us to get in.
Garcia actually controled his destiny and won 3 divisional games to get us in. And he should have beet NO, if not for a phantom hold on Scott Young.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree here
you can argue that destiny was in our hands against Dallas, and we manhandled them. You can argue that destiny was in our hands in the postseason, and we performed admirably with the exception of a poor offensive first half against Arizona, and a poor defensive performance on the last drive…
But Dallas only mattered because other teams pulled off REALLY lucky upsets. I went into that game just hoping to thwart Dallas’ playoff hopes, not that it mattered to us at all…and lo and behold, it all of a sudden mattered. We haven’t controlled our regular season destiny since Garcia.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 11, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
notice...
how the playcalling drastically changed when Garcia was starting compared to an even partially injured McNabb that season.
McNabb playing hurt = 40+ throws per game
Garcia starts = 20-30 throws with more emphasis on the run game..
Curious what would happen if McNabb was given the same balance.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've thought along these lines too, but Joe D has changed my mind on it
Garcia wasn’t effective because we ran more. He was effective because we didn’t ask him to attempt low percentage pass plays that would inevitably lead to incompletions and we’d be in 3rd and long. Yes, we ran well, but he also had a nice touch and good accuracy to complete those dinky little check-down passes.
It is about execution more than playcalling, but the execution of a west-coast offense depends on the success of the short pass
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 11, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point.
I definitely agree here and I guess I did overlook the fact that Andy calls alot of deeper passing plays for McNabb than he did with Garcia.
I still stand by my statement that if McNabb was given the same plays Garcia ran, he would still be successful because you’re not letting the defense tee off on him when he tries to give his receivers time to get down field because I’m sure we all know…McNabb doesn’t really play well when he’s getting knocked around.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good analysis. I think that would be the safest way to play McNabb.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say this, but I think the tides have turned on McNabb now.
I noticed that even BGN faithfuls who have defended McNabb in the past are open to a Kolb future.
McNabb has unfortunately brought this on himself with spotty play. I hate to read people wanted McNabb to leave, what I hate most is that I agree and have made post in past in support of Kolb.
I think that most fans are coming to that crossroad where we can accept another guy under the helm. And McNabb can’t blame anyone but himself for that. I wish we gave him the weapons he needed in his prime. It may be too late now. The clock is ticking, McNabbs days are number (unfortunately for us all).
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That said, I will still root for him, even with another team. I just want to see him on his back
when he plays us.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be right. His time may be coming to an end.
And if Kolb isn’t what so many have allowed themselves to believe, God help us. I want to believe Kolb has all the tools we need and will perform, but if he doesn’t we may be about to waste the most talented offense we’ve ever had.
by NOLACuse on Nov 10, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
weapons.
I know.
How nice would it have been to have Djack, Celek, and any other wr on our roster in all those losses in the NFC Championship games.
But back then, Mac5 was such a playmaker, Fatman didn’t think he needed any serious help on the outside…and just relied on him to go out, and win the game on his own.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fatman is a horrid coach.
That’s why he did what he did.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb deserves to play for a city that appreciates him
Not one where idiots criticize him for smiling, receivers dropping balls, the Defense giving up game-winning drives or the team losing games.
Once McNabb wins a ring for the Birds, all you fans who think you’re die-hards, love the game, are passionate – blah blah blah – can go masturbate to NFL films of Tom Brady’s game-winning drives.
Oh, and those first two Super Bowls? The games were tied when Brady ‘came back.’
Oh and Peyton Manning? He’s 7-8 in the playoffs….and his team has lost the first game of the playoffs 6 times. Yeah 6 seasons of 200.0 QB Rating’s and 70% completions and then donuts in the playoffs. Manning’s compl. % in the playoffs ? 56%
But I digress…
If McNabb goes to another squad, we’re all going to be in a depression….just be careful what you wish for ….
by damonmoore43 on Nov 10, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE!?!?!?
Can we get over this idea that we’re somehow not die-hard fans b/c we criticize inconsistent play of our QB?
I’m really getting sick of this!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and blaming everyone else
we’ve been in the top of the league on defense for tens years.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree (surprise, surprise)
I think McNabb deserves to play for a city that pushes him to perform at his best, all of the time. I don’t understand why you can’t fault him for playing like garbage. The city wants to win a super bowl, not a bunch of playoff games over ten years. Manning may be 7-8 in the playoffs, but Indy has a SB. And I love McNabb, but he has nothing on Brady. Brady has been one of the most successful quarterbacks in history.
One last point: We do criticize the receivers for dropping balls, and the defense for giving up game-winning drives. We also criticize McNabb for throwing ground balls and air balls. Why can’t you criticize McNabb in the same manner as you criticize the rest of the team?
by eagleyosh on Nov 10, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adding on to that..
I think the criticism is fine and it’s warranted. I also believe that all of us know the kind of talent and potential we have in our team, and some/most(?) of the criticism comes when the players don’t play to their ability. In a way the “hate” we have is merely disappointment and frustration with a team we love and are passionate about. We want to see the fire in our players, like the much-loved Dawkins, and we all want those damn W’s so we can finally get the ever so elusive ring.
by notfromphilly on Nov 10, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ive said it already but...
I am an eagles fan, not a donavan mcnabb disciple. Since when does being a fan of a team mean I have to love everyone on that team unquestioningly. I actually do really like mcnabb, hes a great person and athlete, but I dont like the inconsistency. If he can start playing decent on a more regular basis, then great, super bowl here we come. But if he continues to have bad games, why should I follow him blindly, where does this end?
I would rather the eagles win then make sure mcnabb is happy. Maybe we dont have a better option, but if he costs us critical games this year, then I am willing to find out next year.
by Tbot86 on Nov 10, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is no city
that would appreciate him for long… well that’s not entirely true… lots of cities don’t have nfl teams… please don’t count me or most of the rational people who post here as “going into depression” when he’s gone… elation maybe but not depression… there would be nothing better than seeing him play for another team… seeing him throw the ball at some other team’s receivers feet or over their heads!!!!!let’s be real…
by toofunny777 on Nov 14, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
re: "just be careful what you wish for"
gee…I wish for a championship…is that too much to ask? Those other fellows you mention lead their teams to one…can’t our guy do the same? I wish…I wish…oh I wish.
by Soren K on Nov 14, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evilbanner
just hates Kolb. There’s no rhyme or reason…it’s irrational hatred. If Kolb won the superbowl, Evilbanner would still hate him.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the hatred for McNabb is rational?
What pipe are you smoking?
by cwel87 on Nov 19, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who hates McNabb?
people might think he’s inconsistent, but that’s a rational assessment. Some people might think he’s not the best fit for the West Coast Offense, but no one here actually hates him.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 19, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
that was a reply to your later comment.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 14, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats don't lie...
and these tell the truth. I recommended this post. I am more than ready for a Kolb future. I admit that I am the driver of the Kolb bandwagon. He and Celek actually have chemistry together, something McNabb has NEVER HAD with his recievers. Chemistry is paramount in being a great reciever. You can be the best athlete in the world, but if that reciever has no chemistry with his QB, the WR is not thrown to as much as the guy with the chemistry to the QB. Case in point, Tony Romo and Jason Witten and TO. Witten and Romo have chemistry whereas TO and Romo didn’t. Although Kolb has trouble seeing the safety, that can change due to Marty knowing his QB’s. Wasn’t one of Roethlisberger’s knocks in his first few years in the league was him not being able to find the safety? Look at him now.
by eaglemaniac814 on Nov 10, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Considering
Roethlisberger actually took the Steelers to the AFC Championship as a rookie, I’m sure he wasn’t as bad at reading the safety as pick-happy Kolb(going 15-1 that year entailed beating Ed Reed).
McNabb has never had chemistry with his receivers, but Kolb and Celek do? Based on what? Two good games? How about the fact that Celek actually blew up last year with McNabb as the qb.
You don’t think McNabb has chemistry with his receivers? How about that td pass to Maclin against the Giants. That only happens if both players are on the same page and the qb trusts the receiver to go up and make the grab.
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
However...
that year Ben actually had a defense. If I recall it was the best in the league, not to mention he had Bettis and Duce the Douche to hand the ball off to.
Kolb and Celek are roomates together and best friends off the field. Kolb had 16 receptions in the 2 games DM5 was out (8 rec. in both games). The other 6 games 24 receptions (4 rec per game). Yards 208 in 2 games with Kolb (104 yds in both games), 278 in 5 games with Kolb (55.6 yds per game).
I thought the Maclin pass was a dumb throw. I thought it was gonna be picked, but Maclin made a very nice catch to save him.
by eaglemaniac814 on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You would think the Maclin throw was a dumb pass
Despite the fact that it was perfectly thrown and neither of the other two players had a chance at the ball. Now I know you are biased because that was universally considered a great throw and a great catch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZ_q9dMvH8
As you can see, the safety is far away, and Maclin has position on Webster. McNabb recognized it, put the ball out of Webster’s reach, and let his receiver go up and make a play. If that’s not chemistry, I don’t know what is.
Oh, but Celek and Kolb are roommates! Never mind the fact that when Celek was still a backup, McNabb threw to him for 131 yards in Week 9 last year, and Celek had 19 catches during the playoffs last year. Clearly, him and McNabb have no chemistry.
That play where McNabb scrambled and threw the ball while Celek was still running toward it against the Cowboys for a touchdown? You’re right. Clearly, they were not on the same page.
Seriously, if you have problems with McNabb’s mechanics, accuracy, consistency, that’s one thing but this is the dumbest argument I’ve heard.
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just thinking back to when we had bad recievers...
with the play with the Giants. I just don’t feel McNabb trusts his recievers in go to situations, since when have we won a tight game? Never. I also have problems with McNabb’s accuracy, mechanics, and consistentcy, oh and your forgetting one thing. How he still locks onto recievers.
by eaglemaniac814 on Nov 10, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The roommates bit gets me too.
It is clear from your misleading “statistics” that Donovan completely avoids Celek.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 4:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Roethlisberger's rookie stats
17 TD 11 INT in 14 games- less than one int a game in a division that included the Ravens’ defense
Kolb has thrown 5 picks in just 2 and a half games worth of significant action over the past two years. I think he’s had a little more trouble seeing the safety than Roethlisberger did.
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very misleading...
considering that Ben had 3 of his 11 picks against the Ravens, and the one game against Baltimore he didn’t even play the whole game. Look at his posteason stats. 5 INT in 2 Games. He threw 4 of the 5 of them to Safety’s (Reggie Tongue, Eugene Wilson, and Rodney Harrison). 2 of Kolbs 5 INT’s came in the last 2 minutes of the Saints game in “QB trying to make a play mode.” The annoucers even said this.
by eaglemaniac814 on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Kolb
Has seen significant action in three games. Two were against defenses with a pulse.
Against Baltimore: He took a close game and gave it away.
Against New Orleans: His pick after halftime essentially sealed the game. Yeah he moved the ball but he threw three picks and missed some open receivers.
Against Kansas City: In optimal conditions (and I mean he could have left the stadium eaten a burger, taken a nap, flown to Minnesota, shared a beer with Jared Allen and laughed the Chiefs’ pathetic defense and came back and the Chiefs’ pass rush still would not have gotten there) he had a great game. He has never proven that he has the ability to beat a good defense or take care of the ball against one.
by tanman5 on Nov 10, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and waht the fuck has mcnabb done
this year he has beaten NO good defense. and don’t tell me Giants have a great defense. they are amonst a 4 game losing streak 2 which have been BLOW outs.
Not only has mcnabb only beaten soft Ds he’s LOST to one of the worst (oakland). He was so awful that game missin gopen WRs and at some points not even SEEING open WRs on the field.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But once again...
You have overlooked the impact of coaching and game planning. Hell, let’s throw in game adjustments in there too.
One would think…that against the 31st rushing defense in the league and in a game where we avg i think it was 7 yds a carry that you would RUSH THE FUCKING BALL against Oakland. Not even mentioning that the best part of the Raiders entire team..is guess what…there D line. So, I guess it was just due to poor execution that we threw the ball so frequently in a game in which we were only behind one score and let the Dline pass rush the whole game and abuse two backups at each tackle position. Dunlap blows…you’d think we’d run the ball to keep the defense honest.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
iTs not coaching
When we execute we BLOW teams outta the god damn water. Bad teams and bad coaching don’t win games ever. Inconsistent teams blow the Giants out and lose to the Raiders. The one constant was that McNabb was perfect against the Giants and couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn against OAK
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you've actually convinced me
that if there’s only one between Reid and McNabb that need to go, it’s McNabb. I don’t think Reid is a bad coach. He is definitely an AWESOME GM!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, he isn't a bad GM. He rebuilt the team and they are still competitive.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 12, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok...so...
To overlook the shitty ass gameplan against Oakland is just where you lose me in your argument.
Where’s the explanation of how an educated, smart game plan that should attack a defense’s weakness (I’d say bottom 2 rush defense is a weakness) is just an irrelevant point when in actuality a dumbfuck game plan (that the coaches create) was in place and zero in game adjustments (which the coaches should make) were made against Oakland.
I get how McNabb did NOT play well against the Raiders, and therefore didn’t execute. But the fact of the matter here is, is that if we attacked their weakness instead of playing to their defenses strength, it takes a significant amount of pressure off our weakened O line that game and of McNabb. Despite how many times you say if we executed, we still should have won doesn’t excuse the poor coaching decisions before the game and during the game.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 12, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Kolb=Career backup
The recent examples of Pat Ryan and Bobby Hoying may help those who need a history lesson.
Oh, yeah. To tanman’s analysis above, I’d like to add that he not only had enough time to fly to Minnesota to share a laugh and a meal with Jared Allen, but he had time to see his primary care physician to get a referral to go see a specialist to give him some Viagra to help “firm up” his flaccid and impotent arm.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 4:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are a moron.
Kolb can’t do any good for you. Just say it, you will support McNabb regardless. Kolb has done NOTHING to show you that he is a career backup. His only mistake was being drafted by the Eagles and playing behind McNabb. Granted, McNabb is our all time winning QB, and has taken us to 5 NFC championship games. He earned some loyalty.
But Kolb has done NOTHING to be viewed as a backup QB. You got his only chance, and shined. Thats what he was supposed to do. There is nothing he could have done to win you over. Lets face it, John Elway could come here in his prime and light up the field, and you would still support McNabb. Its OK to support McNabb, just not at the expense of trashing Kolb. So your comments amount hime being Bobby Hoying is STUPID. Bobby Hoying wasn’t a QB under Andy Reid! So your analogy sucks.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 11, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evilbanner hated Kolb before he started
admitted to being impressed by Kolb during his starts…and now he’s back to hating him.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 11, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're too hard on Kolb...
…when you say, “But Kolb has done NOTHING to be viewed as a backup QB” (see above). He is certainly qualified to be a backup. I do agree with you when you cite the “mistake” in being drafted by the Eagles, but I would have phrased it a bit differently. It certainly was a mistake. We had bigger fish to fry when we drafted him. And we still do.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't understand choosing him in the draft
not because I think he’s a bad QB, it just seemed too early to draft McNabb’s replacement. We definitely have other positions of need that we should have addressed, but I guess McNabb was coming off of two years in a row that he couldn’t finish b/c of injury and Andy wanted some insurance.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
draft.
Definitely a head scratching moment…
We didn’t address our most pressing needs that year compiled by the fact we traded out of the 1st round, helped out Dallas, and then chose a QB who we still don’t need.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 12, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, We should have drafted another position,
But recall McNabbs 3 injuries prior to that draft. Kolb made sense at the time. But wasn’t the most glaring need.
Does anyone have McNabbs stats after his most recent return?
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by yophillybro on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
amazing
for once i agree with you… it probably was a mistake to burn a 2nd round choice on kolb… that said, i still think he might pan out as a starter…
by toofunny777 on Nov 14, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics...
…are a bitch. Here’s some. Arguably, winning percentage is an important statistic. For those untutored in mathematics, I’ll briefly explain the concept. You see, it’s the percentage of the total games that a quarterback plays that he won.
QUARTERBACK WINNING PERCENTAGES (at start of 2008 season, min. 10 starts)
Tom Brady
86-24
.787
Philip Rivers
25-7
.750
Ben Roethlisberger
39-16
.710
Donovan McNabb
73-39
.645
Peyton Manning
105-55
.644
Brett Favre 160-93 .625
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by EvilBanner on Nov 11, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How is rivers 25-7?
They were 8-8 last year alone.
Jeff Garcia at 39 years old was like 7-2 with us…. Big deal. Feeley was what/ 6-3?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 11, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Win Loss can be deceptive
I found an article where a guy examined a qb’s win loss ratio and tried to account for the perfomance of the qb’s defense in each game. Basically, every win or loss is placed in 1 of 6 categories based upon how many points the qb’s team gave up, then compared the win loss ratio of each category to the league average performance in the category.
Yea, I know its confusing, just read it, it is pretty interesting.
by Tbot86 on Nov 11, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maks perfect sense
Except for Peyton. Dude rarely has a good defense until as of late. in the early 200s he was throwing 3-4 Tds a game and still lost.
But yes, these are all top defensive teams. so I agree with that article.
Plus it’s been proven more than once that a QB who can run a WC offense can do just as good as a job as mcnabb. They mightnot ever make a 14 second scramble and complete a pass but they could keep this offense consistently scoring thats fo rsure
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 11, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the point of the article, it ranks qbs based on how many games they should have won, which is based on how many games the average qb wins in the same situation.
Peyton mannings +31 rating means he has won 31 more games than the average qb would have won in his exact same situation.
by Tbot86 on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what we would give up if we moved on from McNabb
We wouldn’t complete 4th and 26.
We wouldn’t see a 14 second scramble followed by a HUGE completion on the run.
But I’m sure you realize that we’re talking about the ‘03 and ’04 seasons. McNabb hasn’t done anything remotely near that stuff in 5 years. Honestly…when was the last time he actually threw the ball from outside the pocket?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 12, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean...
but he did throw a TD pass to Celek on Sunday night that was outside the pocket!
by eagleyosh on Nov 12, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sad...
That was his biggest strength and attribute most QBs don’t have….
Thanks to trying to all the pundits that encouraged him to prove himself as a white, pocket passing QB. Although I don’t agree that it should have. Be who you are.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 12, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT button!
remove the word “trying” in second statement…argh.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 12, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we beat Washington this year.
McNabb was TERRIBLE!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 12, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
these stats mean nothing
so i hope you were wasting time at work when you compiled them!
by afksports on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i admit
stats do not excite me but i’d be interested in knowing how many 4th quarter possessions the eagles have converted to TDs under mcnabb in his carreer…. and more specifically how many of those occured when the team was tied or behind in the score… my guess is damn few!!! i would also pose this question to all mcnabb lovers…“if your team needs a do or die completion would mcnabb be your choice to throw the ball????” dallas fans need not respond!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"if your team needs a do or die completion would mcnabb be your choice to throw the ball????"
I think this relies on the receiver as much as the QB … see Eli Mannings horrible throw and David Tyree’s circus catch in the Superbowl.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 12, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im getting sick of the play calling excuse
No one said SHIT about the Pats when they were throwing it 50x a game.. The Steelers threw the ball around 70% of the time in the SB — and NO ONE bitched. The Cardinals are passing way more than we are and again no one is bitching. In 2004 we threw it all the time and went 13-1 with our starters in. NEWS FLASH, THE WEST COAST OFFENSE IS ALL ABOUT THE PASS.. IT WORKS VERY WELL WHEN EXECUTED RIGHT!
You can blame the offensive line all you want but the defense gets paid too. No QB in this league is going to get a lot of time to throw. It’s up to them to make the play when the play is ther eand McNabb simply isn’t doing it consistently. Stop making excuses fo rhim
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 12, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joe D, you're being contradictory..
You’re ‘angle’ = It’s all on McNabb, stop making excuses.
So you’ve essentially ruled out any discussion of playcalling, coaching, receivers, offensive line, etc.
As if McNabb is out there by himself.
It’s just not a realistic argument. No one said McNabb is going in the Hall of Fame for accuracy. He is not.
He hasn’t had the talent. You think it’s a coincidence that his completion % was highest with T.O. in 2004? I think not.
But the whole “it’s McNabb’s fault, no excuses” is just old. No legs. No legs.
All I hear is a bitter Eagles fan who think he’s entitled to a Super Bowl.
If you think Kolb’s your ticket, go ahead and punch it, homie.
by damonmoore43 on Nov 12, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
you’re writing words in my text box. I never said it was ALL on McNabb.
Listen. The offensive line isn’t going to give a QB 10 seconds to THROW every play. The WRs aren’t going to run perfect routes and make EVERY single catch— I get all that. I get that Andy Reid will make some mistakes and Marty won’t always call the best play I GET IT.
But McNabb, who touches the ball EVERY offensive play has to make more plays than he is if we’re ever going to go deep in the playoffs this year. Truth is, he’s downright AWFUL in the 2nd half of games and in close games. He’s done nothing to prove he isn’t a choker. And the plays he has to make are nothing great either — just put the ball in the WRs hands. I been on and off the mcnabb band wagon for a couple years now starting in 07…and it’s safe to say I’m officially tired of seeing a washed up athletic QB trying to be a pocket passer.
If he can turn his play around, I’ll be the first one cheering. But for now, I’m on the Kolb band wagon all punched in G money homey holler
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 12, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re writing words in my text box
lol
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 13, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From a Cowboys fan..
I personally haven’t been impressed with McNabb for a while.
The pre-2005 McNabb was awesome. He wasn’t as accurate as some qbs, but did such an incredible job buying time and making plays with his feet. He was given trash for wrs and consistently won with them. Its a travesty how little credit he received from the media for taking an average offensive team to the NFC Championship year after year. If not for a couple plays here or there, he would be a super bowl champion.
But the McNabb of these last few years has been different. The legs aren’t there. Its much easier for defenses to contain him and force him into driving the length of the field. Without the ability to extend plays like he used to, his lack of accuracy has become glaring at points. We’ve seen quite a few average Ds do this the last few years and succeed – in quite a few games McNabb couldn’t hit anyone.
Going into the season, I expected there to be 3-4 games that McNabb would just blow with his innacuracy. Its kinda the same opinion many have of Romo – while Romo will turn the ball over 5 times, McNabb will be so inaccurate his team will have little shot at victory.
But this has gotten ridiculous. He was terrible against the Raiders and (imo) bad against Washington and Dallas. Its hard to say whether this is his usual early season inconsistent self or just a worse qb than previous versions. Frankly, the Eagles scare me more with Kolb. You have two wrs who should be flat out deadly in the west coast offense and a reliable TE. A qb who can consistently make the short intermediate throws on simple patterns like slant routes would make your offense much better overall.
THere are still times having McNabb is a big benefit. A cold windy game in the meadowlands where he is one of 3 qbs in this league who can play well is one of them for sure. But you guys need consistency and McNabb doesn’t provide that.
by foyesboys on Nov 13, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah, there are a few of us on here that agree completely with your assessment
and the others just can’t get over their memories of pre-’05 McNabb…
With our offensive weapons, I think Kolb is scarier, simply because he will get the ball quickly and accurately into their hands. McNabb holds it, trying to make a play, but without his legs, he can’t make the plays that made him great. (and of course I think of the 14 second scramble against you guys on Monday Night Football in ‘04…we’re not gonna see that again)
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 13, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that play was embarassing
but considering the talent level on our team and mcnabbs skills…not too surprising.
I don’t want feel right comparing your situation to our Bledsoe-Romo situation, cause Mcnabb has had a long and storied career in philly, and the decision was a much easier one to make for us cause Bledsoe was running on empty….. but I do feel like your team could really take off with Kolb at the helm.
The problem with making the change is that you guys had more to lose than we did. Your defense is pretty solid even with all the injuries. You know what you have in McNabb – a decent qb who is all-world sometimes and very innacurate at other times, but will NEVER lose a game through turnovers. If you put Kolb in and he struggled in some games against stronger defenses and had some multi-INT games…it would look really bad and the fans would turn on him real quick.
As a cowboys fan, I’d prefer you stick with McNabb and continue to play slightly above average football (again, like us with Bledsoe) rather than take the risk and go with kolb.
by foyesboys on Nov 14, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I live in NY and I used to tell them that they could hold on to Eli and Coughlin as long as they wanted (of course thinking that would only benefit the Eagles)…then they go and win the Superbowl…who woulda figured!?!?!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 14, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the difference??
if you lose a game because of turnovers or lose it because you can’t consistently hit 3 yd passes… or convert third downs or score in the red zone???? losing is losing!!!
by toofunny777 on Nov 14, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
those stats really don’t tell the story.
When McNabb plays well, the Eagles get out to big leads and hes no forced to throw the ball in pressure situations later in the game.
When McNabb plays poorly, the Eagles have found themselves in tight balls games. I’d say that “McNabb’s fourth quarter stats are poor because the majority of his fourth quarter passes have come in games hes played poorly in”, not that hes not a clutch qb or something like that.
by foyesboys on Nov 13, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
alot of stats are deceiving
when you only have a 6 game portfolio.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 13, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very true
with dallas for example, stats are pretty worthless. The defense is giving up many more points than it should cause the offense has turned the ball over and given the opposition a very short field on many occasions.
Also, the stats have us being a very good run offense, and we haven’t been that since week 3. In fact, there really haven’t been any games the past two years that we’ve won on the back of our run game, yet we always do well on the stat sheet.
by foyesboys on Nov 14, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i keep asking
what is mcnabb’s possession to score ratio… how often does an eagles possession convert to a score under his direction???? that’s one stat that would interest me!!!!
by toofunny777 on Nov 14, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lets Just Face Facts
Potbelly Reid is finished in this league, All the good coaches know it and as of now.,Always will beat him now,He never varies from his gameplan, He is too Predictable Number 2 Mcsoup has seen his better days and before the season is over, His mommy will start lobbying to get Kolb run off like she did Garcia, She will start with the Racist card again and you fans and Potbelly will cave into Mommys wishes…
aybe Eagles could sign Kitna and she would be happy.
by bigbaddon on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mc"Inconsistant"
These stats don’t surprise me. Just trying to remember the last time McNabb actually lead the eagles to a come from behind game (that mattered) in the last 2 – 3 minutes. I do remember him throwing up in the last drive of the super bowl…and choking in the last drive in the NFC Championship game last year.
I’ve supported the McNabb / Reid thing up till last year. Granted, they have a crazy injury situation to deal with this year, but it’s time for both to leave. I say give the Kolb a real chance and bring in Bill Caugher (sp?).
by doublesessions on Nov 17, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kolb=Andre Ware
Big stats in college from a clown college system. You want to talk about the system being important to someone’s success…look at Kolb, Ware and all of the other big stat, small talent QB’s to come out of Houston.
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by EvilBanner on Nov 17, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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