The reason why Kolb might be better suited for this offense.
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST
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Is because he's your prototypical west coast quarterback.
What's interesting is that McNabb has had some good success in this system without having the intangibles for a WC offense. A lot of these short throws are like runs - - made to get 4-6 yards and maybe more if the WR is good at YAC. A good WC QB should be able to complete around 60-62% of his passes in order for it to work well. McNabb is too inacurate on his short throws to consistently make that work. How many short throws did McNabb throw over the RB/WRs head/behind him last night? I counted at least 3.
Secondly, a good WC QB should be able to get rid of the ball quickly. While I think McNabb has gotten better with this he still tends to hold onto the ball too long trying to make a play happen when it's not there. Sometimes it works, but other times it results in a turnover or sack. For instance, the TD to Celek last night and his beauty of a -1 yard rush that he should've just thrown away.
Lastly, a good WC QB needs to be able to lead WRs and put a nice touch on the ball. The whole idea is to get the ball out quickly to a WR and let them make a play. Even when McNabb throws catchable balls often our WRs/TE have to stop dead in their tracks to catch the ball going behind them, or pick it up down low.
What used to make McNabb so good was his ability to use his feet. Now he doesn't even use his feet and I really don't think he could that effectively anymore anyway.
With that being said, I think Kolb has shown some flashes that he CAN do this. A few more inconsistent games from McNabb, and it's time to pass the torch.
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I’m sick of this shit.. Quit bashing mcnabb for this game.. It wasn’t all his fault.. Playcalling and officiating had alot more to do with outcome then mcnabb sub par play.. Yes he didn’t have a great game but it was enough to win.. Just Andy reids dumbass playcalling was herendous.. So please u dumb asses quit bashing him.. Kolb will not win a superbowl here for us
by bclancy15 on Nov 9, 2009 2:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
dumbasses?
Says the guy who still thinks Andy calls the plays. He hasn’t in quite some time, genius. I didn’t say it was all his fault, but his inconsistent play isn’t getting it done here anymore. We didn’t score a single TD against OAK, and we only scored 13 against DAL. The common theme in both games was McNabb throwing like shit, how is that on Marty’s play calling? The WR’s are open, it’s up to the QB from there. How do you know how well Kolb will play? He’s only started two games.
Kids these days!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we scored 16 on Dallas
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“herendous”?
dumb asses eh… hi kettle, I’m the pot…
unfortunately for you, this post actually has some relevant material, so thanks for playing
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Nov 9, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so nice of you to join the conversation
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dumbasses? Really?
No one’s bashing McNabb for this game. The people bashing McNabb are doing it from 10 years of inconsistency.
Yes, McNabb is our best chance to win. You can make that argument.
Yes, McNabb is our best chance to lose. You can also make that argument.
I’d rather just have a guy that gets accurate passes out quickly. I agree with Joe. Kolb may not be the athlete McNabb is, but he fits the system better.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
hes played a whopping …wait for it…4 games. For all we know hes the next drew brees but well never know cuz of all the poeple on mcnabbs dick….coaches AND fans
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Nov 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone delete this post ?
Im making a rule that there can not be anymore Mcnabb posts on this site. He’s been a top 5 Qb for a decade, so until people in Indy,New Orleans,New England etc start cmplaining then we allow Qb posts on here. Tired of a handful of fans making the whole fanbase look stupid. If you really want to find a problem think about this, If Bill Belichick was our coach for 10 years , do you honeslty think we dont win a superbowl in 10 years ?
by Mikegeminsky on Nov 10, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
come on man
I support mcnabb and hate these threads, but are you not doing the same thing by stirring the pot against andy reid? I also don’t like using belicheat as an example, the guy is scum. We also have no way of knowing whether they win a bowl or not with him as coach.
by PhilsForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate belicheat as much as the next guy
but he got Matt Cassell to like 13 wins….and a 60 mill contract……and he cant get philly a superbowl ring ? come on man….
by Mikegeminsky on Nov 10, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't dissect McNabb/Reid from the decade's performance
You say McNabbs a top 5 QB? I say Reid is a top 5 coach. They have the same accomplishments, one has never been asked to perform without the other anywhere else…they’re hand in hand.
You say we win a superbowl with McNabb/Bellicheck? I say we win a superbowl with Reid/Brady. It’s pointless, there’s no data to support the argument, it’s completely hypothetical
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one has never been asked to perform without the other anywhere else
Anywhere else true but Reid has been asked to win without McNabb and he is 14-11 without McNabb since 2000, just for knowledge sake he is 83-43 with McNabb under center.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
those McMahon games shouldn't count
we should just erase them from the NFL archives.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not with McNabb
Bellicjic woulda benched him years ago….dont believe me? Than why when the pats still have Bledsoe did Brady get the starts over Bledsoe(post injury) and why did bledsoe get traded? Cuz for all his talent Bledsoe was horribly I-N-C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T and Bellichic knew that for a team to have championship caliber success you need consitency.
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 11, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
Two games?? And u think he is best suited for us wow!! Again dumbass do u not see receivers dropping passes and maclin caused that interception not mcnabb.. He put right where it should have been.. Maybe if mcnabb had some time in the Oakland game we could have scored he got pressured all day u idiot do u not remember how many times Seymour and that d line sacked him? Knockdowns? Hurry ups? Maybe u should look at that before saying Kolby is better suited
by bclancy15 on Nov 9, 2009 3:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Even when he had time
He still missed WIDE open WRs all game in Oakland — it’s OAKLAND for crying out loud. Even the mediocre teams blowout Oakland.
McNabb nut huggers keep mentioning the Maclin drop. It was ONE play and while Maclin should’ve had it — McNabb threw it 200 MPH. He was WIDE open with no one near him and all McNabb had to do was to put a nice touch pass to him. WRs are going to drop balls — part of the game. Don’t you think it’s funny how the Eagles always are top in the league with dropping balls yet the only constant that hasn’t changed is #5?
Basically, any QB who can make simple throws is better suited than McNabb at this point. They might not ever be the athlete Donovan is but we just need someone to put it in the play makers hands. Right now, Donovan can only do that 50% of the time.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical
You’re actually blaming McNabb for Maclin not catching his pass? Wow. New low Joe D.
The fact you actually believe what you’re posting is the sad part.
That you take a look at 10 years of McNabb’s work, conclude he’s just too inconsistent – and are then ready to hand over the reigns of the franchise to an unproven, mediocre 2nd round pick?
I think that’s even lower than the previous point.
Your only purpose on this site is to call for McNabb’s head. What are you going to do when he wins a Super Bowl?
What are you going to say? “The Defense won it for him…” “Andy Reid put him in a good position…” “Desean was the real star…”
Scratch that…..you’ll probably be on McNabb’s nuts in half a second…just like all the other idiots on this board
by damonmoore43 on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha you and JIBTA/EVil Banner are pure gems on this site
I sang high praise for McNabbb last week. I WANT to win, I WANT McNabb to play well. Unfortunately neither is happening. And that one pass didnt’ decide the whole game damon, christ.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, we all want McNabb to play well
but half the time he doesn’t…
1. You can say a lot of good things about McNabb, but you cannot call him accurate with any reason.
2. 10 years is a pretty good body of work to analyze, and inconsistent is a pretty fair assessment of that work. Fairly even numbers of great and terrible games.
3. An unproven, mediocre 2nd round pick? First of all, you can’t call him both unproven and mediocre. Either he’s unproven and the jury is still out; or he’s proven to be mediocre. So that statement was illogical. Bringing in his draft place is interesting because it means nothing. Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.
4. Kolb has proven himself when it mattered. Everyone’s unproven until they get a chance. Kolb was given 2 starts, and played well for his first without Westbrook and against a great New Orleans team, and then he was FANTASTIC against Kansas City.
5. McNabb can be GREAT (4th and 26…14 second scramble against the Cowboys etc…) McNabb can be TERRIBLE (7 turnovers in a 3 game stretch last year, and a seeming inability to drive down the field…it’s either big play or kick)
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Joe give it a rest man
You’re as predictable as the sunrise tomorrow.
We lose a game and McNabb doesnt play well, there is guaranteed to be a post about how 5 sucks and should run out of town etc etc etc.
He has flaws… major ones a times, but so does Kolb. 5 is our best chance this year.
The future may be a different story
Dont Disrespect the Level
by 700 Level on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
I NEED to vent. Just when McNabb gives me a glimmer of hope last week he comes back and shows me that he’s just the same old McNabb. I stayed up to 12:30 last night and had to wake up at 5:30 — and I need to bitch like a PMS-ing woman.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I stayed up to 12:30 last night and had to wake up at 5:30
yeah i hear ya there!
Dont Disrespect the Level
by 700 Level on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I live overseas...
I stayed up until 6 am to goto work at… 730am. I am reserving judgement on the Kolb move at this point though,
by IgglesFanDeployd on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry got cut off there...
I think Kolb could be successful in our offense. I know McNabb has been successful in our offense. If we dont win it this year maybe it is something to look at but for now McNabb had earned the right to play with a little leeway.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IgglesFanDeployd
…but for now McNabb had earned the right to play with a little leeway.
Excellent point. But ‘leeway’ is not granted in Philadelphia, unfortunately. McNabb is public enemy #1 until he wins a Super Bowl. That’s why the Joe D’s of the world get off at calling for his head every other week.
Joe D and all the other idiots know what they’re saying is insane. I don’t doubt they want to win. We all do.
But be realistic. If you want to vent, then vent. But don’t act like what you’re saying is actually legitimate.
That’s where I think some folks are just confused.
But once McNabb wins, I guess Joe D will retreat back to his corner.
by damonmoore43 on Nov 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to sound rude...
but a good game against the Chiefs proves absolutely nothing. They’re one of the 5 worst passing defenses in football.
A better barometer for what you would get out of Kolb if he were named the starter now is the game against the Saints, where he had a very similar game to what you got out of McNabb last night.
Kolb was a good pick and is the future at QB for the Eagles, but as of right now he’s not as good as McNabb. His average day is a bad day for Donovan.
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And what has McNabb done this year?
He’s lost to the Raiders who are just as bad as the Chiefs. He torched a horrible TB D, and a collapsing Giants D who was blowing coverages all day.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he almost brought us back to win yesterday.
McNabb started off slowly, but he did everything he could for us to win in the second half.
He made a couple of amazing throws on the last drive. Yes, amazing. One was put just inches above Keith Brooking’s fingertips to get to Jeremy Maclin. Another found Jason Avant on the sidelines. He fired another accurate laser that Brent Celek dropped, and Lesean McCoy dropped a perfect screen pass.
We lost for a number of reasons, not the least of which were the absences of Jason Peters, Chris Gocong, Brian Westbrook, Akeem Jordan, or Asante Samuel at one time or another. The receivers dropped a ton of passes, and McNabb’s pass to Maclin (whatever you may say to the contrary) did not look like it was 150 mph. It went through Maclin’s hands and hit him in the face. That’s on the receiver.
Against the Raiders, McNabb had King Dunlap blocking Richard Seymour. If you think Kevin Kolb would not have died in that situation then you are just a lost cause.
McNabb improved over the course of the game. And Dallas’ secondary did play well, and normally reliable guys like Celek and Maclin had horrible drops. So just give it a rest.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There were WAY more bad balls than drops
There were 3 drops and 2 of them were really tough catches… Quit making excuses for your man c rush.
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by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding
There were two drops on the last drive alone. Shady dropped another one earlier in the game, and of course Maclin tipped that ball right to the DB. That’s at least four. McNabb did not have 10 bad throws last night (which is what you’re applying).
The only bad throws I can think of were the Jenkins pick (which looked more like a miscommunication than inaccuracy to me), the low ball to Jackson, and the overthrow to Maclin on the first drive, which was in coverage and looked like McNabb was just playing safe. Maybe one or two other low balls, but there were at least as many drops as bad throws, especially in crunch time.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
McNabb improved over the course of the game.
How about…Mcnabb play the full game….just saying.
by Tbot86 on Nov 9, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but a good game against the Chiefs proves absolutely nothing. They’re one of the 5 worst passing defenses in football.
Doesn’t mean you can’t play bad against a bad defense. What did JaMarcus Russel went for? 7 for 25?
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Nov 9, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
Playing poorly against the Chiefs means you are a bad qb.
Playing well against them doesn’t necessarily mean you are a good qb.
If your argument for Kolb is that he’s better than Jamarcus Russell, then that’s not good enough for him to start.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
does playing poorly against the raiders make you a bad QB?
Romo played poorly against the chiefs, and he was certainly the better QB on the field yesterday.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I mean most of us have grown to love the Eagles partially due to how well McNabb has played (I know there are a lot of long time fans here, but a lot of us <20 year olds have only ever really seen McNabb). I will be very sad the day Mcnabb departs but it may be time to start reevaluating our situation. Mcnabb is very inconsistent, and I think we can all agree on that, but when he is playing like he can, there are very few who are better than him.
So that puts us in a tough situation. We know what he can do, but he doesn’t do it often enough. I think Mcnabb still gives us the best chance to win, most likely, in the sense that “we want Kolb right now” chants shouldn’t praise any merit. Someone needs to (preferably Reid) sit down and tell Mcnabb that he really needs to be more consistent. I don’t know if this happens, as I don’t have access to Eagles, but if it does and Mcnabb still comes out and puts forth lackluster performances, then it has to be a cause of concern.
I can really only think of 3 proper situations that should aspire for the Eagles, and their fans.
1. Mcnabb works through the rust, and starts playing more consistant and leads to Eagles far into the playoffs (possibly to a SB win)
Reaction: If this were to happen, then we know Mcnabb can work through inconsistency and that this offense is still the most dangerous with him on the field. Hence, he is our starter next year and etc.
2. Mcnabb continues to struggle but plays decent enough to not lose us games and we make the playoffs but early exit and another disappointing season.
Reaction: Mcnabb isn’t hurting us too much on the field, but as someone once said “if you keep trying the same thing and expect a different result, you’re more than likely gonna end up with the same thing.” Another disappointing season, no SB, and It should be very plausable that a QB controversy starts with Kolb perhaps the direction to lean towards.
3. Mcnabb continues to play bad, doesn’t pick up any consistency and is a big factor as to why the offense is constantly stalling. We’re losing games we should win, and aren’t putting up points when it matters.
Reaction: Benching him worked last season, perhaps try it again and let Kolb decide his fate. Mcnabb always seems to casual in the heat of the moment and maybe this will light a fire under his ass. If Kolb plays very good, continue to ride the hot hand and let Mcnabb know that he has to get his head together or else their is a capable QB right behind him.
4. Mcnabb sucks, Kolb sucks and the Eagles fall apart with no one to run the offense.
Reaction: Prolly very unlikely and more of a joke, but then we trade house for Fitzgerald because hes a #1 WR and therefore we go to the SB.
by Team Serbia on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
mcnabb is the most inconsistent qb of all time and hes turning 33 this month… i dont see y they dont just start the kolb era now cuz so far this season mcnabb has shown that once again he cant be consistent. think of this… kolb 25yrs old mccoy 21 maclin 21 desean 22 celek 24… this offense would be beastin for the next decade
by footballfreak20 on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How can u say that?
We are still in a superbowl mix it’s the halfway point of the year. Mcnabb can lead us to a sb Kolb won’t. If u put him in now there is no playoff run.. U can’t say that it will be beasting next decade because kolb isn’t that great yet.. He throws interceptions alot.. All we have to do is get things worked out and I’m sure it will..
by bclancy15 on Nov 9, 2009 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
about 2/3 games he is somewhat consistent
that other game is just despicable. if we are still in the superbowl mix, and we maintain that 2/3 game consistency, we will once again fail to win a superbowl
by worldphuckinchamps on Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where are these facts to back these statements up?
Mcnabb is the most inconsistent qb of all time? I have seen this posted a couple times on this blog recently? Where do you guys get this information? seriously, it seems a bit farfetched to me, in fact i am actually pretty sure he has a career completion percentage of just under 60 percent if not just at 60 percent.
by PhilsForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
because one game he completes 80% of his passes, and the next he completes 40%. That makes a pretty good career of 60%, but also pretty darn inconsistent.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably most likely in reference to his TD to INT ratio.
Which consistently hovers around the best in history. (It was the best all-time until Sunday night I think and may well still be.)
by NOLACuse on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody can catch balls in the dirt
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by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
But even you can’t pretend that’s the only reason his number in that department is that good. TD to INT ratio implies that TDs are scored while INTs are not being thrown. So it’s not like all he has done over the last decade was make divots. He wouldn’t have stayed employed if that’s all he did.
by NOLACuse on Nov 11, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sold on Kolb
I just don’t know that Kolb is the answer. McNabb still makes plays that no one else can make. I think we know exactly what we have in McNabb and I still feel the Birds can win a SB with him. Last night was the perfect example of McNabb’s career. He made some good plays and he made some bad plays. WR’s let him down in some instances and the O line play was sporadic. I cannot blame the loss on him but a superstar QB finds a way to win that game. Those guys just don’t grow on trees as we have learned the hard way. I cannot sit here and say that Kolb wins that game any more than anyone can say we beat NO if McNabb played.
I am just not comfortable with Kolb yet. I need to see him against some good defenses before being ready to pass the torch. Either way, I do think one of them should be traded after this season while they still have value.
by Dawk on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Good points, I’m just not confident McNabb can lead us to the SB these days. In order to get there we have to play 3 consistent good games against good teams and if they’re close games our chances our low with McNabb behind center.
That’s the thing: we don’t know what we have in Kolb. But we do know what we have in McNabb. Who’s to say Kolb doesn’t throw a spark in this offense?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
There is one common theme with this team. They cannot pull out a game winning drive no matter what happens throughout the course of the game. Of course the defense does not seem to be able to stop a team running out the clock either. Those are my biggest concerns at the moment and I don’t pretend to know what personnel changes, if any, are needed to address those concerns.
by Dawk on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I told my buddy last night
as soon as we Maclin tipped the pass that got picked that i thought we were in trouble. My only issue with McNabb is that if we dont start well, we almost always lose.
That said, there is no reason Maclin shouldnt have made that catch… you take that away and give mcnabb what he deserved on the 4th and 1 and i think we win the game.
Dont Disrespect the Level
by 700 Level on Nov 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’m with you on that. I thought our WR’s dropped a lot of balls last night. The one from Maclin was inexcusable, but there were a few others as well. This comes after a great game offensively, so this inconsistency drives me crazy.
Okay so maybe it's time to move on. Hopefully it'll be moving on to winning a Championship!
by LeonSA on Nov 9, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe, I’m almost on board with you. I don’t say, “make the change this year”, but I do say “open the competition next training camp” and hope that the FO is honest in their evaluation. Make it seem like Kolb is the backup and try to trade Mac in the Pre-Season.
by cavortingEagle on Nov 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've wondered that too
Even if we did bench McNabb this year — that absolutely destroys his trade value. To be honest with you, I think McNabb would flip shit (and Wilma too) if there was a QB competition. I think it’s either all or nothing in this case. He’s either the guy or he’s traded.
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by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think i like the thought of Mcnabb having to fight for the job
maybe there would be less smiles and giggles during games
Dont Disrespect the Level
by 700 Level on Nov 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He would bitch more than I would after a crappy qb play
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by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hot damn… I’m realizing more and more that every week there is going to be the same posts! I can only state my opinion and agrue about it for so long until I’ve completely lost interest. I understand everyones frustrations, and lack of sleep from the game last night but everyone had equal part in our loss last night and I’m really over the McNabb vs. Kolb argument. Reids gonna make the decision to put him in the game regardless. If by the end of the year his season continued to become more and more inconsistent without a wildcard spot then maybe there will be a call for change, but I guarrantee its not gonna happen after this game and probably not the next. So lets stop bitching about it.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Nov 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to bitch
It’s the only thing that’s going to ease the pain a bit. As a female you should be familiar with that
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by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bitching always helps..
But I still think it is too early to say for a fact one way or the other. Look at the Cowboys. Started 2-2 people were jumping all over Romo left and right calling for him to be benched. Now they have won 4 straight and he is playing good ball. The thing we KNOW about McNabb is that he is streaky but that can mean hot or cold. Let’s see how it plays out. He tends to have a hot hand in December and that could be all we nee to finally end the SB drought.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
He does seem to pick it up later on in the year.
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by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree on Kolb though...
I know everyone will say 2 games are not enough to judge but if you notice the main difference between the two…
Kolb hits the WR in stride on intermediate throws.
McNabb can put the ball downfield for the big play.
In the games Kolb played his big gainers came from throws where his WR / TE put up big YAC. McNabb hits the guys down the field once they break away from the D. No one can say for sure.. I for one am a huge McNabb fan just because of the success he has brought to this franchise. I watched games with my dad during the Cunningham era and then spent a good part of my youth suffering through Hoying, Rodney Peete, and the sensational Detmer brothers. I’ll take playoffs every year over that crap but at some point the wear and tear of never winning the big one always gets me down.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Nov 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Eaglesgrl5 on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn’t bitch if he were more consistent.
I think most of us “like” McNabb. We’re not a bunch 5-haters who wanted to start Feeley, Garcia, Kolb, or Vick. I for one agree he’s the best QB the Eagles have had in the modern era…but I’m starting to think it might be time to move on.
But he needs to be more consistent. He was awesome last week. Very bad against the ’skins in a win, and not good enough yesterday.
Yesterday was a team loss and NOT just on Donovan by any means, but these isn’t just an overreaction to one game.
Whether you think it’s time to move on to Kolb, or time to give McNabb an extension, I think it’s a valid argument. Similar for Reid. The same mistakes over and over again bite the team in the ass.
They’re the best QB and coach this team have had in (I would say without feeling like going out on a limb) the Super Bowl era…but after so many chances how much confidence do we have in them to get over the top?
I think the offense is young, but has the potential to be the most talented of the Reid era. Maybe Kolb can be the guy who can be a consistent, good QB in a good offense, even if his ceiling doesn’t approach Don’s.
by BrianS on Nov 9, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb is gonna be like that person you date whom your parents hate and bitch about.
Then after you break up they love that person and wonder why you ever broke up.
We’ll ship him off and if Kolb doesn’t play like Brady or Brees or even Roethlisberger everyone will be worried. They’ll look and see McNabb playing decent ball with the Niners or the Vikings or whatever and reminisce about the good times and ask whose bright idea it was to get rid of him (when it was their idea to begin with).
by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, seriously
PLEASE, enough with the McNabb $hit. He played a sub-par game, granted. He was, BY NO MEANS, the sole reason for the loss. If you’re looking to blame someone, blame the offensive line, blame the playcalling, blame the lack of discipline for all the penalties, blame Asante Samuel for his utter fear of trying to make a tackle at the end of the game, blame yourself for not cheering loud enough. I’m so f*cking sick and tired of reading about everyone blaming McNabb after every loss. Riddle me this joker, why in the f*ck would you run LeSean “Happy Feet” McCoy when you need a yard when you’ve got that beast Leonard Weaver back there? 6’ Weaver weighing in at 250 pounds or 5’10" 198 pound McCoy???? If I need a yard, not even a question I’m looking to Weaver. McNabb missed throws but also had numerous passes dropped, terrible blocking for the majority of the game and a poor game plan. At this point, I almost want them to start Kolb just to shut you all up.
by rharris0127 on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's not about one game
i’m not saying I agree with Joe here, but this post isn’t a result of one lackluster performance. It’s the result of a few years of hot/cold performances. Consistency is what is desired here.
by eagleyosh on Nov 9, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reid must go.
All this hate for Donovan and none for the fatman? You know better than that. The fatman is the problem. Always has been. Call for his head.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by jayt on Nov 9, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FYI
McNabb is ranked #22 in completion %
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by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BREAKING NEWS!
we lost to the cowboys period deal with it , not like us eagles fans are in charge of who or who not plays or we wouldnt be working the jobs we do…
i didnt realize the season was over yet ?
if your a diehard fan your not going to change teams now regardless of who coaches or plays…
come on guys … BLEED IT GREEN TILL THE END …
R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...
by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 10, 2009 4:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
seriously
no one is switching teams.
The fact that we’re on here midweek shows that we are not casual fans, and by that fact we reserve the right to be as critical or as supportive as we want to. We’re the fans, we pour money and emotion into the eagles every week, and if they let us down, we are certainly allowed to bitch about it.
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by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t missed a game in 7 years… and I surived the kotite and Rhodes eras. I was grounded from watchin gthe birds in 96’ because I kicked the TV over. I’m about as hardcore as it gets… hardcore doesn’t mean supporting bad play you weiner.
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by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck you Joe_D
who you calling a weiner, you have been a whinny bitch since you have been on this site
so fuck off your the dickhead that posted this dumbass post
you got an aweful big fuckin mouth over the dam computer …hmmmmm
back that shit up if your gonna run your mouth I HATE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHY DONT YOU AND JIBTA FUCK EACH OTHER ASSHOLES
R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...
by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fan of
Eagles
Bo Sox
Detroit Pistons and
OSU
you’re a BAND wagoner weiner too!! Nice
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by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your Obsession with the word weiner is starting to scare me
closet case
R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...
by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 11, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabbs accuracy isn’t in as much question as his consistency. I’ve seen Super 5 drop dimes and I’ve seen him throw footballs like he was skipping rocks on the lake.
It appears as with ever inconsistent game we draw closer and closer to open competition next year in Camp. And we may even see McNabb released to avoid a distraction.
I’m a huge McNabb supporter and will continue to back him but I don’t see him handling open competition well and he can be a cry baby.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 10, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I still think McNabb has a lot of years ahead of him and I want him to stay in Philadelphia until he retires. I don’t think its been McNabb’s fault for the errant passes I don’t believe him no matter what he says in his press conferences that he trust this OL completely. He has seen a lot of familiar faces replaced on the line and I don’t think he trusts them enough to protect him. Sometimes they give up sacks and get manhandled out there and he’s running for his life, other times they handle the pass rush but still McNabb sometimes runs from nothing and throws an errant pass.
by fhqwagads on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
“I don’t think its been McNabb’s fault for the errant passes
I get all the support that McNabb gets but seriously..WTF!!!!
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by Joe_D on Nov 10, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I don’t think its been McNabb’s fault for the errant passes..."
hmmmmm………..
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by Realtalk32 on Nov 10, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
you could argue that the incompletions are not all McNabb’s fault (dropped/batted passes etc…), but errant passes? Not sure who else that responsibility hinges on
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Joe D
Because I completely agree with you, and have been saying this for weeks while getting called a “dumbass” and an “idiot” by plenty posters who clearly do not watch the games. The errant passes have really piled up, his inability to lead a TD drive at the end of games, his constant holding the ball too long. I love the guy but maybe it is time for a change after this season.
I posted a FanPost entitled “Trade McNabb and Westbrook” several weeks ago, and absolutely no one agreed with me. It seems as though maybe a few of you are coming over to my side.
by YoSixers on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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