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So,

I'm pretty sure alot of people have alot of reasons to say we lost the game.

-Marty didnt call enough runs

-Maclin dropped a ball to cause a turnover

-The refs blew a call to cause a turnover

-I'm sure there are others

 

But here is my point. McNabb is incredibly inconsistent.  For a team that passes so much you think he would get acclimated to where his receivers want the ball a lot faster than most quarterbacks. Wrong. Balls at the feet, Balls over the head, balls behind. Honestly, there were so many dropped passes because they were surprised when the ball was right on their hands.  Before anyone starts it, no, this is not a call to get Kolb in the game. That would be dumb.  McNabb is a pro bowl caliber quarterback. What I am saying, is have him throw a little less so he focuses more on the attempts he has. Throw in some more wildcat, wildcat throws.  End a rounds generally work rather well for us.  Or more importantly, start the game with some high percentage throws.  Throw a couple quick screens or a dump off to McCoy (or Weaver).  If you build McNabb's confidence in his arm i feel he will make some better decisions and put more focus into his throws down the road.

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Agree

It’s bad when i’m hoping Mcnabb will play up to par and only see it happen 50% of the time. People are calling HOF for Mcnabb and he has the stats but this CONSTANT inconsistency is the aspect where I wouldn’t mention him with the greats.

by Team Serbia on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm just sick

Of everybody bashing him.. Yes he is inconsistent we say it every week stop saying it. Everybody knows he is but he gives us the best chance to win. He is one o the best qbs in the league. I agree with ur post. Let him get in a rythm and u won’t see balls at the feet balls over the heads but also u gotta remember time in th pocket helps. On some of those throws last night he was under pressure

by bclancy15 on Nov 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

"Let him get in a rythm"

How? You would think throwing more would help that.

There’s no doubt that sometimes the playcalling puts McNabb in tough positions, but I don’t think that has anything to do with accuracy. It would be one thing if he was making bad throws when he’s on the run or under pressure, but that’s not really the case.

When he’s off, he’s off. We’ve seen it for 10 years. When he’s on, there’s few better… But there doesn’t seem to be anyway to predict when he’ll be on or scheme to get him into a rhythm. He just is or he isn’t.

by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Jim Johnson 1941-2009

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Nov 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."

by Realtalk32 on Nov 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000 Jason

The thing is a lot of these young guys haven’t seen him for 10 years like we have.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bench him

i bet vick’s more consistent for god sakes, we always make excuses for his ass.turth is hes always going to be this way.on week he can throw next week his throwin dirt balls.on many plays i was watching there was open receivers but hes riding maclins d right now n stares him down all play and he had plenty of time all game our line was fine

by rainvillefromottawa on Nov 9, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Our o line was fine?

Yeah for the most part it was but I don’t think the sacks they allowed was fine.. Mcnabb HD to scramble out of the pocket on several plays I don’t think that makes our o line “fine”

by bclancy15 on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Our O Line is not FINE but WAY better than weeks 1-4.

The O-line is better as of RIGHT NOW than b4. Im not gonna bash Dmac mac but this is OLD NEWS. So Dmac scrambled out of the pocket, he’s done that plenty of times to try and make a play. If he’s so much under pressure, why does he hold onto the ball so long. Scrambling is one thing, but just straight up Holding on the the ball when there’s nuttn there, throw it away. If he’s gettin so much pressure, call audibles and just throw outta quick 3 step drops!!!!

Don’t just talk bout the O Line..Dmacs been here LONGER than ANY OF OUR CURRENT LINEMEN!!! After 10 yrs, Dmac should know what to do when things arent goin his way. This is not just a simple “O-line problem”. This is an 11 year problem! I love Dmac, but c’mon man!!!

"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."

by Realtalk32 on Nov 9, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thats why i said fine..not good not brutal..fine.they gave him time on many plays, he didnt use it.

by rainvillefromottawa on Nov 9, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

McNugget

Yet another outing by McNugget that ends in a flop…wish we had a guy like P. Manning….McNabb WILL NOT WIN US A SB!!!

by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"A guy like P. Manning"

How many of those are out there would you say? How do you propose we get a guy like that? By my count there is one guy like that. His name is Peyton Manning. I would be interested how you think we could get him…

by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

id say 3

brees and brady too

f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!

by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we can get one of those three great. Let’s do it…

But we can’t.

by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes but

Jason i seriously see alot of the same poise and readiness in Kolb that i do in the above mentioned 3. Now im not saying hes as good as the above 3 …but give him some time under center and only time would tell he might BECOME one of them

f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!

by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking total package.

Brees and Brady don’t have quite the arm. Brees doesn’t have the size. I do think all three are neck-and-neck for best in the league, however, and would gladly call any one of them my QB. I just think Manning happens to be stereotypically perfect.

by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Love McNabb

But I don’t have faith in him any more. He’s a good QB, when everything is going well. other than that, mediocre at best. When was the last time he gave us a come from behind victory? With him, it’s always something. Anyway, it’s not hard to be the “best we’ve ever had” or whatever his sycophantic supporters say. All we ever had before him was Jaws….

Not that it’s all his fault, this team is pretty soft in clutch moments: not getting big stops (if you have to go all the way back to the 2 4th downs against the Giants last year, that’s too far), not being able to drive the ball, not winning ANY close games. I blame that on Reid and his coaches. Only Johnson instilled any toughness.

by DLawrence on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hey hey now

lets not forget RANDALL CUNNINGHAM!!!

f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!

by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya know...

whats funny about Randall is that McNabb is WAY better than he ever was… yet we have this fondness to Randall…

It will be the same way with McNabb. 10 years from now he’ll be regarded as a hero in Philly without a doubt. Wearing his jersey to a game will be the same as wearing a 92 now

Dont Disrespect the Level

by 700 Level on Nov 9, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think its becuz

randall was our kinda of QB…he had a toughness and grit to him which DMAC while very professional and suave doesnt seem to have( at least personality wise) .Dont get me wrong donovans a soldier when it comes to playin injured.

f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!

by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

McNabb will receive the same hero’s welcome in 10-15 years that Jaws and Randall receive.

by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To all McHaters.

First off, We all can’t have Peyton, Drew, or Tom as our QB.

You are all morons and too blind to realize football is the ultimate TEAM sport. No other sport relies so heavily on Coaching in order to be successful. You know what McNabb has had his entire career….Andy or Marty calling the plays and managing the game.

McNabb is still top 10 despite the inconsistency. How bout some consistently SMART playcalling and time/game management because we are severely lacking in both of those categories. We can’t win a game at the end of the 4th quarter because we suck at calling plays and managing the game. We clearly needed to go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a 50+ yd field go only because we once again squandered our timeouts (2 of which were a complete waste). Even before that, where is the urgency and god damnit, we cannot run for a 3rd a short with either Shady or Westy….Give the fucking ball to Weaver or have McNabb sneak it on 3rd and 4th down. Not enough balance on offense, especially when we’re having success running the ball and moving it slowly, but consistently for 1st downs. It’s ok to score a TD on a 10+ play drive which some fatass coaches will never understand.

by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

JUst let me....

Vent a little man….gehezzz

by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All valid points

I get all that… but what does that have to do with the fact that some days McNabb can’t hit an open receiver? That’s my problem here. These are two separate issues. Playcalling balance doesn’t affect McNabb’s accuracy.

by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

5 + 10

I agree with everything you’re saying, but I think this offense could run at higher degree of efficiency (or at least at the same degree) with another QB (for example, 2006 with Garcia)

McNabb doesn’t bring anything to this offense (other than years of experience) that another QB couldn’t bring. The only debatable skills are running ability and arm strength. And we wouldn’t need ridiculous arm strength if Reid & Co. weren’t always trying to set up the kill shot.

But you’re right, the playcallers certainly don’t do him any favors half the time

by DLawrence on Nov 9, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hear this argument all the time now.

We have so many weapons, all we need is a gamemanager to get them the ball. But when I look back at game-managing QBs that have won a SB I see very few. And those that have had stellar defenses behind them. We have a good D, not a stellar one. Maybe we won’t win a SB with McNabb, but I really don’t think we’ll win a SB with a game-manager QB. You still need a playmaker under center to win the big one and McNabb is a playmaker, even if he is inconsistent.

by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Game managing...

….A Game managing coaching staff is what we need.

by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 9, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

So everyone thinks im bashing McNabb just to have an excuse. i am from Syracuse. I have been watching McNabb since 1995. I know how he works, I know how he plays. Not trying to say he is the most accurate passer. Not trying to say the offensive line is perfect. But lets be honest. He was drafted for his running ability, and ability to throw on the run. But the Philadelphia organization doesn’t give him opportunities to run.

by PolishMiracle on Nov 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i remember (all too clearly)

the last college game of his carreer… he was supposed to be the second coming… syracuse was undefeated going for the national title and… and…. and … mcchoke kept trying to throw bombs… of course they lost!!!… it must have been ried’s fault… or the defense… or the recievers… nah… the only thing consisitent about his play is his inability to lead his team to big game wins… too bad eagle’s fans… no sb… not this year… not next year… not ever with mcnabb!!!!

by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 10, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On a different note

Did anyone one else think the eagles looked a little out of it? Maybe it was the fact we were playing in primetime or the pressure of playing the cowboys at home for the division lead before 5 road games, but everyone seemed to have lost their confidence. Mcnabb clearly wasn’t jolly old mcnabb and his passes reflect that. There were a lot of tough passes but our receivers dropped a LOT of balls. Without a winning attitude you can’t win games (note loss to Raiders) and last night the Eagles just did not look focused.

by Bo Jangles on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe the reason

our receivers drop a lot of balls is because they are not catchable… a 90 mph pass is hard enough to hang onto… when its around a receiver’s ankles or behind him who the f*** would not drop it…. i’m amazed they catch as many as thet do… as for jolly old mcnabb… he’s a narcicistic… weak psyched… poor decsion making… inconsistent… bonehead… but i guess i have to root for him since he’s our bonehead…. not!!!

by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 10, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you guys keep whining about no timeouts…we needed to challenge both those plays…simple.youd be retarded not to.

by rainvillefromottawa on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The first one...really?

The second one was clearly obvious that it needed to be challenged…and overturned.

But the first one???…I’ve read this a few times on here and were any of you even watching the play when it happened. Even if the defender would have touched Shady on his way down it still would have been obviously short by atleast half a yard. The fact that he fell forwards and wasn’t touched on the way down makes it even more of a typical Andy Reid challenge. Does Andy even have any people up top giving him advice on these cause that was a dumb challenge.

And how bout the first timeout that was used for NO reason other than to re-huddle.

We’re not whining about timeouts…more like being frustrated and pissed off about the overall clock management (or lack there of) on our coaching staff. Timeouts are a start…but Andy and Marty are absolute retards when it comes to late game managing.

by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no it wouldnt have been short…. he was clrearly past the first down line.but i agree with you our time managment seems to be an issue.

by rainvillefromottawa on Nov 12, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is inconsistant we all know this but.....

When he is having an off week which happens u kno every other game, u think marty would make them run the ball more…. Like why fuckin make him pass more if he is fucking up. Thats completly wasting a play. Mccoy has been playing great and i dont kno about u guys i was so psyched when we picked up weaver and for a FB he is actually KILLING IT. So why pass the ball fucking 50 times a game when he is throwing like shit. Its like throwing the game away we can win games with mcnabb on an off day just dont MAKE him throw the ball more than he has to its fuckin stupid.

by thegreatginzo on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Exactly…all the McHate about consistency which I completely understand…

But if we Run more than throw we can balance out his inconsistencies throwing by taking some of the pressure off of his shoulders…

by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cowboys fan here

not here to talk smack, but I watched that game and, yes, McNabb had a rough night, but how can you guys be blaming him for that loss. I can never understand why Philly hates McNabb so much. You guys had no running game and expect McNabb to sit back there and just win games?

by BillyBates on Nov 10, 2009 6:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

it's not that we think McNabb lost that game

it’s that after 10 years we expect him to win it.

"What did it feel like? That collision, I ­didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of missing the point

As an outsider you see us reacting to a loss and you think this is just about one game. Its not, its about consistency. This debate has been going on for me personally since last year. I had no problem with the benching last year, mcnabb was playing awful and he was costing us games. He came back and played great, and thats great, I would love to keep him as a starter. But sunday we saw yet another weak performance. And it is starting to become a pattern, and as a fan it is so frustrating to watch this talented team show up huge one day, then completely fall.

I dont hate mcnabb, if he can consistently put together decent games, they dont even have to be great, just decent. Then I have no problem with him staying in.

by Tbot86 on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

Cody Benjamin

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by kingmcnabb5 on Nov 10, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand either...

But I do agree with jalarsen that he should be able to take over the late stages of a game to win…but Marty and Andy don’t exactly make it easy…

by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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