What they're saying - Philadelphia Eagles vs Dallas Cowboys
by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 7:49 AM EST
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PrintDonovan McNabb was asked whether he thought he got the yardage needed on that 4th down QB sneak.
"I did. I felt like half of my body was past the marker which I've seen. I landed on top of one of our guys and just slid and kept on moving. When you, I guess the question, you probably replay it, I guess you may have felt that I did get it. We thought we had the first down, but unfortunately I guess twice we didn't."
Were those type of calls frustrating?
"It's frustrating, it's frustrating you know, just different plays in the game that you could have made and then when it comes down to a call like that obviously it's tough for any team to bounce back but still we had another opportunity to get back down there, try to put points on the board. So I'm still not going to make any excuses. There were opportunities in that game that we could (have) really blew it out of the water, but we didn't and credit to them."
Andy Reid was asked about those challenges but...
"I can't go into the challenges. I can't do that, unless you (the media) are willing to pay for it. They go the way they go."
Leonard Weaver talked about the teams' inability to convert short yardage.
"It's pretty tough. We always go out there as players and know we're going to play against everybody -- the refs, the other team. The bottom-line is we didn't convert when we needed to, as a team. That reflects when you can't get those things, and it makes it tough for our defense to have to come right back out after they shut them down."
More after the jump
Cowboys coach Wade Phillips seemed to downplay his team's win a bit
"We are leading the division right now, but we're only one-and-one(in the division). We have four more division games. We have a tough road in the second half of the season, but after two-and-two you can't be more pleased than where we are right now. It was an exciting win for us. It was a hard-fought game, hard-hitting game. I thought we were very physical as were they."
Jeremy Maclin talked about the two interceptions last night which were both on balls thrown his way.
"The first one was all my fault. I take full responsibility. The second one I was expecting a different throw. It is what it is. Those two plays were big, but we still had a chance to win the football game. There were a lot of mistakes."
Sheldon Brown talked about the big TD he gave up
"He ran a double move. I was in the coverage. [It was] 'Cover 1'. [QB] Tony [Romo] pumped, [Austin] ran a slant, I drove the slant, [and Austin] got open deep. Anytime you do that, if a guy catches the ball, you just expect to get him on the ground and line up to play another play."
And finally Sheldon was asked about all the penalties
"It wasn't just the penalties. We made a lot of mistakes throughout the course of the game. And then there were some plays in there where we didn't execute, and we were able to still win the play, but we didn't execute. Anytime you have those penalties, obviously it affects the game. I think the kick return was called back on a penalty, the interception return had a penalty that brought some yardage back, so it's tough. You can't win that way.""
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I was at the game in the corner of the endzone, so I don’t want to be that guy that complains on balls and strikes from left field, but that game seemed to be one of the most horribly officiated game games in recent memory. A few that stand out… Can anyone shed some light on these…
- Obviously, the 4th down QB sneak.
- The illegal block on the Sheldon Brown INT.
- The illegal block on the Hobbs kick return TD.
- The Samuel unsportsmanlike conduct.
- The Avant unsportsmanlike conduct.
- The phantom false start.
by tkrisa on Nov 9, 2009 8:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah i dont want to be that guy but...
wow that was some terrible officiating
Every time something swung in our favor the stripes did something to squash it.
We lost to Vegas
Dont Disrespect the Level
I'll address a few of them
- The sneak should have been a first down, looked like he had it.
- The illegal block on the Brown INT was the correct call. Although he didn’t block a Cowboy in the back, a defender blocked below the waist on a change of possession play which is illegal.
- The Samuel unsportsmanlike conduct was weak. You can see that both Samuel and Barber were laughing, but any time you stand over a player like that and jaw the refs will call it.
- The Avant unsportsmanlike was called b/c it was preplannedcelebration. Weak, yes, but like it or not they’re cracking down on any celebration that’s coordinated.
- The false start. I’m assuming this was the Peter’s false start on 4th down? That was a false start. He moved slightly, but only after Jackson failed to snap the ball when the Cowboys were offside on the other side of the line.
by Screen Name 20 on Nov 9, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
don't forget the missed PI call against Williams
or the BS PI call against Witten.
Gotta list all the bad calls if you’re going to play that game.
BTW, the holding calls on the INT return and kick off return were obvious on replay, Samuel lifted Celek’s leg in the endzone, again ovious, Avant did taunt MB3 when he was down although I thought that call was a little chicken shit and Peters did flinch, no question.
The MCNabb sneak was too tough to tell, I think it was a bad spot, but I’m not sure he makes it even if the spot was on.
by cowboysfansince75 on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Do you watch football? I’m an Eagle fan, but I at least know what side of the ball Newman and Austin are on… I think my wife could tell.
I’ll give you that it was bad officiating all around.. but it was bad officiating that decided the game, and that’s nothing to be proud of..
yep I agree calls can be big in a game
like the Samuel non pass inteference call in the endzone……those 4 points would have been huge…….so your right on your point no matter how you will try to spin it now in your favor. They make the 4 th down does that mean that automatically win? Do they automatically score? So you’re telling me that 4th down call meant the eagles won and the no call in the endzone wasnt big in the game? You fans are so biased I love it. You have two eyes and 4 with your wife’s included. Maybe you can use all 4 to present a better arguement :)
Here’s an argument that you should agree with… Cowboysfansince75 doesn’t realize Avant never taunted MB3.. infact unless one of the two decided to play defense, i doubt they were ever on the field at the same time.. so if the refs called something there then it’s obvious BS.. same goes for his claim that Asaunte helping Celek do the Captain Morgan… You need to tell your Dallas friend who is who, before he comes back to these boards and starts bitching about Romo’s ERA… he doesn’t seem to follow football, but instead just cuts and pastes names.
PI call
Your correct the 4th down call does not guarantee a TD. Same thing goes for the non PI call. half the distance to the goal. You still would have run out of time and kicked a field goal.
Teh Eagle splayed like shit plain and simple, but even playing like shit, they still probably come with teh victory if those calls don’t happen.
Are you forgetting that your 2nd td came right after the refs gave the Cowboys the ball back with great field position?
lol you eagles fans crack me up.......
If the guy doesnt hold his arm he can make the catch…..why can’t you understand this? If a guy puts two hands on a bal he can catch it better and they could have been a touchdown. you all seem to forget that and blah blah blah they would be on the one and kick a field goal. Do any of you every know what your talking about on here??
again
There is never any guarantees, as were seen on the numerous dropped wide open, both hands on the ball passes that both teams had. Who knows they have scored but as you put it with the 4th down call, no guarantee of points, Why dont you understand this.
I guess I must have forgotten that no team in history has ever dropped a pass in teh endzone when theyt were wide open, and no team has ever stopped another team when they were on the 2 yrd line.
And who doesn’t know what they are talking about!!!!!!!!!
Like I said you preach ,yet YOU know he would have dropped it?
Thats your whole arguement lol I give up :)
PI call
cowboys, 11 penalties for 82 yds.
eagles, 8 penalties for 78 yds.\
the refs scored no points and they didnt stuff McIconsistency on 4th down. and your your own guy thru the block that sprung Crayton. YOU LOST TO THE RAIDAS! ENOUGH SAID!
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Calls didn't decide the game..
The one viable point about the officiating is the McNabb sneak..It could have easily gone either way, I’ll absolutely give you that.
But even if that is converted it does not mean points go up on the board immediately..if it was a goal line play then “bad officiating decided the game” would be a more valid argument. Also, if Philadelphia did not fail to get 1 yard on the ground for 3 straight plays this is a moot point.
All of the other calls were legit..ticky tacky indeed on some..but legit. Just like the Cowboys got a couple of tacky tacky calls and a couple of no calls. Officiating had too large of an influence on this game I wwould certainly agree..but it didn’t decide the game. There was one judgement call that didn’t go the Iggles way…you can’t base winning and losing a football game on that type of thing…
Wrong
Witten pushed off.
There were WAY more calls going the Cowboys way then the Eagles.
The holding on the kickoff return was not obvious- in fact it was holding he was run into and fell over. That’s not a hold.
Don’t forget the HORRIBLE call on Herremans for being off the line- when he actually was completely on the line with the rest of the linemen.
Yeah, get some glasses dude...
There was obvious holding on the kickoff and a push in the back they missed which was clear on the replay.
The PI on Assante in the endzone? hello!!!….shouldve been 1st and goal at the goal line…instead we settled for 3 points…
Dude, you got some calls that went your way and we had some also…suck it up and deal with it..you lost to the better team…You were drinking the cool-aid if you thought this was going to be a blow out. This cowboy team is a whole different team than the 44-6 blowout last year..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
There's still alot of football left to play
before we start with the “better team” comments. The Cowboys may have won, but they didn’t impress me very much. I don’t think any NFC East team should be expecting a very long post-season performance.
Plus, don’t the Cowboys lose 3 of 4 in December?
Who's better in the NFC?
New Orleans and Minnesota no doubt…
Atlanta? Beat em. Philly? Beat em. Giants? They were at a point..but certainly not right now. Arizona? That defense is absurd…possible but unlikely. GB? No. Carolina? No. Chicago? No.
Arizona is really the only team that you can put on the list as possibly a better team (in the power rankings sense of the word) than the Dallas Cowboys. Philly fans and Bob Ford alike have all diminished this loss by saying..well the whole NFC east isn’t that good. Don’t lump Dallas (or Philadelphia) in with the Giants and Skins… those teams are playing poorly..Dallas and Philly was just a tough game which absurdly Dallas finally came out on top in…
PI
Learn the rules before making a comment. Half teh distance to teh goal, not 1st down on teh goal line. Also, the down made no difference. Teh Cowboys ran out of time, or did you forget that part.
lol I will just laugh cause well before you preach about knowing rules
maybe you should before you comment …..this comment though made me laugh and thats all we need after a hard day at work :0
YOU ARE WRONG
11 PENALTIES DALLAS, 8 PENALTIES EAGLES! CHECK THE STATS NUMBNUT. THEY WERE SLOPPY ALL NIGHT. DID YOU WATCH THE GAME? REFS AND CALLS ARE PART OF IT. GET OVER IT!
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
SEE PI call COMMENT
cowboyss 11 calls, eagles 8. check your stats fool!
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
come on man
I thought Eagles fans were tougher than this. There were bad calls both ways. Your line was holding all game. Also, there was a pass interference called that was bogus.
As for the 4th down, what most of you are missing is that it is not just about where the ball ends, it is how far teh ball has progressed as of the poing they call forward progress. So, while it was close, there was nothing on the video replay that could show the refs that in fact it was further ahead of where it was spotted at the time forward progress was deemed to have stopped.
If you guys are crying over that game then you guys are not men, your girls.
I was catching it on TV (A few thousand miles away).. and I give lots of credit for the team biting their tongues and saving themselves from fines.. as it was definitely one of the worst called games I’ve seen all around.
“I can’t go into the challenges. I can’t do that, unless you (the media) are willing to pay for it. They go the way they go.”
Reid tactfully avoiding the fine unless the media is willing to chip in.
Lots of blown calls, and a lot of WTFs.. especially on stuff that they were reviewing and could have gotten right. The first Reid challenge was a toss up, but if they re-spotted it, we’d have lost yards. The second, I’m wondering if the refs know that yes 6 inches does make a difference, and they had the logo on the field they COULD have used to correctly place the ball, as McNabb slid down a blocker’s back w/o touching the ground until the ball hit the ground directly on the logo’s beak, it’s not like they had to check various angles and guess a spot, there was a mark painted on the field with a clean camera shot of it they could use… but they were consistently giving us bad spots.
And yea, Samuel’s unsportsmanlike conduct was baffling.. as he was slapped in the head a couple times by the receiver (probably in play), then he reached down to help the guy up. ugh. I’m done and waiting a week… I don’t even see how a real Dallas fan could be happy about that game, maybe one on the bandwagon, but not one paid attention and cares. Glad we can settle this next month, cause that was BS.
I will address them :)
Obviously, the 4th down QB sneak…….I am not sure cause it should have been moved up a little to me……was it a first down , no way to tell.
The illegal block on the Sheldon Brown INT….change of possession you can’t block below the waist , its a rule period.
The illegal block on the Hobbs kick return TD…..its a rule , you hold it called, no matter where on the field.
The Samuel unsportsmanlike conduct….good tackle and then bent over him talking crap and barber pushed up on himm in disgust.
The Avant unsportsmanlike conduct….the player had another player do something as a prop…..its a rule and should be called period like it does on other teams.
The phantom false start…I’m not sure what you watched last night….he flinched after the guys got back !!!
Now you have yours why not ours……Williams non call in the end zone when Samuel grabbed his arm as he tried to catch the ball….You missed that I guess as it took 4 points from the Cowboys if he makes the catch. Jenkins getting called for illegal contact other side of the field pass 5 yards which I see it done every game and didnt impact the play. The reid challenge and your player got the good spot and should’ve been moved back a yard….you missed that too I guess. The illegal man down field on the punt that Mcbriar pinned you all on the 2. I am trying to find a game where there isnt a man down field illegally before the punt. The pass interfence call on the push by Witten , which he dd push off, but then Maclin does the same thing the next drive and no call.
It was a good game for the most part but everyone can complain about refs in every game period. You lost so you feel as if the other team never wins the game, you feel your team only loses cause the refs are paid off. Pathetic but becoming the norm of today’s NFL fans. Good luck the rest of the way and I hope Philly can beat the refs the rest of the year cause well I guess they never play actual teams in your opinion :)
I don't think you watched that Barber/Asante replay very well dude.
Asante was obviously joking around as Barber gave him a couple taps on the helmet, Asante then helped him up and the two of them patted each other while laughing. Yea, Barber was really disgusted alright. Gimme a break.
And if we are nitpicking here, illegal contact is illegal contact. If you are further than five yards upfield that’s a penalty. It’s gonna get called regardless of it’s effect on the play. It only happens in every game before five yards up, not after.
correct...not like I was complaining, but I thought it was a BS call....
You could tell they were both joking around with each other…The refs took it as if Asante was taunting I guess..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
wow I love it when a fan knows everything a person on the field is thinking
well watching the Cowboys all my life and Barber I have seen the tapping on the helmet and joking and well I am not sure you and I agree on this one. But hey you know what they’re thinking on the field and I don’t have that special power :)
I think anyone can read emotions
barber got up laughing. You can see it in the video. Maybe he was laughing in rage?
No doubt,
Barbers intial reaction was WTF! but when he saw it was Asante you could tell they were good friends. I think the Ref saw Barbers intial reaction and the flag was coming out before he realizes it was nothing.
KICK ASS every day!!!
i agree
It was stupid of Asante, and the refs probably knew it was a stupid call. I am just disagreeing with the idea that Barber “pushed off him in disgust”. If anyone watches that play and the reaction of the two, and decides either was in “disgust” they probably have minimal experience interacting with humans.
when a guy is bent over someone and the other guy pushes him off
thats what I call in disgust….Barber’s initial reaction was just that….like WTF? But hey eagle I don’t agree with your assumptions so I must not interact with humans. lmaooooooooooo Sorry but that’s the dumbest f^^^ing response I have ever read. I literally am laughing at that one….thanks for the good laugh …..makes a person’s day when someone can make them smile or laugh :0
"Now you have yours why not ours"
Because no one cares? I don’t understand you Cowboy fans. Last night you were all on here complaining about about how no one was giving them “Credit” and were begging for us to “show you some love.”
Now you want us to go over the bad calls the Cowboys may or may not have gotten.
No one cares. We don’t write about the Cowboys here. Why are you coming here hoping for that kind of stuff?
Im not..
But some of you people need to take the freaking blinders off….dont come across like you didn’t get calls that went your way….I already pointed out the PI on Assante Samuel that probably would’ve led to 7 points and not 3 for us before half time. On the Mcnabb sneak, they will never overturn a call like that unless there is clear evidence he was over the marker and there wasn’t…bad call by Reid to challenge that IMO knowing if he lost he has no TO’s…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
all you and your fans have been talking
about is the Cowboys on here. Man you people give us a good laugh with these comebacks lol Read more of the posts please lmao
eagle nice try making people look stupid but buddy your not bright are you?
JasonB wrote :No one cares. We don’t write about the Cowboys here. Why are you coming here hoping for that kind of stuff?
Well considering we just played you all and yes your writing stuff about the Cowboys ……well ….n/m only people with common sense can tell where this is going :)
Eagle try reading everything then comment to my posts thanks
Yeah, I can’t see why you were banned AT ALL. Really.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 12, 2009 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
You can put alot of this game on the bad officiating
But if I am Andy Reid on that 4th down sneak I don’t challenge there. You gotta hold onto at least one time out and with the way the officiating was going I wouldn’t have risked it.
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
and once you lose all of your TO's
the game is over. the defense showed that they had NO chance of stopping the Cowboys.
Blueshirt Banter: Covering the New York Rangers the only NHL team with three home arenas.
by Joe Fortunato on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
yeah they were bad all around
I will give you that… there were probably just as many calls against dallas, but when you lose, you never like to have something like the 4th and 1 to think about…
I have no problem with the Avant unsportsmanlike. That was just stupid and its going to get called every time
Dont Disrespect the Level
yeah, there were a few defensive pass interference and offensive pass interference on Dallas.
We got some calls our way. Any needed the give the ball to Weaver more. I was sooo upset that we played so stupidly.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
Blaming the refs?
Weak. Really weak. The Eagles lost this game because their o-line couldn’t convert 2 4th downs and a short 3rd down late. Getting push in short-yardage situations has been a real problem for this o-line the past few years.
Few thoughts
- As accurate as McNabb was last week, he was just as erratic this week. Yeah maybe that first INT was on Maclin but it was still thrown high and off his shoulder. Not an easy catch. The second INT was on McNabb. He just underthrew Maclin. 16-30 isn’t going to cut it most weeks and McNabb was really helped out on a couple of throws including a couple of spectacular catches by Avant and Celek.
- McCoy is a decent player but he had a huge drop on that 2 & 10 on the Eagles last drive. Westbrook makes that catch and likely has a critical first down. McCoy also blew 2 blitz pickups last night too. Just a really weak part of his game yet and hopefully this improves as the season goes on.
- The play-calling was horrendous early-on but I thought Reid did a nice job of making some adjustments after the first 2 series including doing a nice job of mixing it up in the 2nd half with nearly as many runs/passes. I really wish that Reid would have stuck with it in the 2nd half and instead he went to “lets pass more” as the game wore on.
- Fokou was terrible last night. 2 really dumb penalties that cost the Eagles 150+ yards. Plus, he left Whitten open all night long. For all the Gocong-haters out there, it showed last night that he wasn’t out on the field. Contrast that to Witherspoon and Jordan who both have strong games last night.
- Can we please stop this talk about Jackson being an “elite receiver” in the NFL? Elite receivers have more than 2 catches for 29 yards. Jackson is a definite threat that teams really have to take notice of but elite WRs average more than 3 catches and 60 yards a game over the course of a season. He only has 2 games this year with more than 100 yards receiving and most weeks is only catching 2-3 balls.
- Peters is the most valuable player right now for this team on offense. When he has been out (last night and against Oakland), this offense has looked brutal and McNabb is getting really antsy because of the pressure he is feeling from his weak side.
Even as a Dallas fan, I originally thought McNabb had made it as well.
Frankly it was taking some of the satisfaction out of this win. But after looking at the tape, I’m convinced the refs got it right.
McNabb was correct in saying that he got half his body across the line, but you don’t get forward progress from on top of a pile, since nothing is touching the ground (other than on a touchdown play, when you just need to get the ball across the plane), but Brooking came in late and turned him to the side almost 90 degrees, so he was sliding off to the right, and Spencer got his hand on McNabb’s helmet, pushing him back a couple of inches just as his elbow hit the ground.
The first down marker (the yellow line) was running across the white border of the logo, right along the triangular extension above the eagles’s beak, and McNabb’s elbow clearly landed in the green paint, right where the refs said.
If it happened any other way, I’d have no problem admitting it. Great game either way.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
Wrong
Had the ball in the crook of the beak, the officials placed it 6 inches back. I watched it enough to know that it was conclusive evidence the spot was incorrect.
He wasn't even on the "beak" side of the ball.
Like I said, what you’re calling the crook of the beak was the extension above it.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 9, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
OVERTURNED!
The head of the NFL officiating agrees with my assessment:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20091112_Upon_further_review__spot_call_overruled.html
loss of forward progress
It’s not where he came down but where the ball was when they started pushing him back. You said so yourself, he was pushed backwards to where the refs spotted it, it’s not like he walked backwards to it.
But I really don’t care about the call. I’m not trying to make any excuses about the game, I believe that we would have lost regardless. We had plenty of chances that were wasted and many, many mistakes that were a result of Dallas simply outplaying us. We need to focus on fixing some issues and moving on.
You don't get forward progress while laying on top of eight guys without being downed.
Forward progress isn’t measured by how far you get, it’s measured by whether or not you still potentially have the ability to keep going, which McNabb did, albeit via boogieboard maneuver. There was no reason to stop it at the height of the jump, which is why the refs didn’t.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t get forward progress while laying on top of eight guys without being downed.
Yes, you CAN get forward progress without being downed. That’s the whole point. Once you’re downed there’s no point to calling forward progress.
Forward progress is when a runner is so held or otherwise restrained that his forward progress ends.
Brooking and Spencer grabbed him, started turning him, and pushed him back, thereby restraining him. Once the began pushing him, his forward progress ended.
Even after he got turned, he was still moving.
No one jumped on him and held him down, or really got more than a hand and a shoulder on him. He was still moving, still working, and not down, which means there was no reason to stop for forward progress.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 9, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
He was still moving, still working, and not down
You keep coming back to the fact that he was not down. Again, that’s the whole point of forward progress, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE DOWN to stop the play.
You don’t have to be held down on the ground to be restrained either. Restrained just means that his intended movement was prevented. He was not only prevented from moving forward but his movement was controlled, and therefore restrained.
His intended movement was forward, and he continued to move forward.
Calling the play dead while the ballhandler is still moving is absurd, and something even the announcers, who thought the challenge should have been upheld, didn’t bother mentioning.
The guy is belly-surfing on his own players, and you think the refs should have whistled it dead?
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 9, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
As much as I hate quibbling over minor details, I'm curious
Which of these points do you dispute:
1. McNabb tried to move forward
2. He was restrained, ie physically prevented from continuing to move forward
3. His forward progress ended once he was pushed backwards
4. Even though he wasn’t down, the ball is dead once a player is restrained and his forward progress ends.
Two things
1. Until your knee/elbow hits, you are allowed to advance the ball. Therefore, McNabb crawling for extra yardage on top of the pile needs to count.
2. It’s not where McNabb’s elbow is, it’s where the ball is. Everyone saw that the ball was at the beak.
You can convince yourself it was the right call, but facts are facts and it wasn’t. And Spencer pushing McNabb back happened after he was down; even if it wasn’t forcing a player back doesn’t count. It’s where the forward progress stopped.
And no it was not a good game. Both teams played poorly. The Eagles just played worse.
Even if you counted his entire forearm, where the ball was, it still doesn't reach where the down marker was.
I watched it live, and I’ve looked at it multiple times since then on DVD. Those are facts. Like I said, I’d be the first to admit if it wasn’t, and I originally thought the call was bad as well, but it simply wasn’t.
I think if you put two of my best seasons together it wouldn't come up with the numbers he's going to have at the end of the season. -Troy Aikman on Tony Romo
by Big D Bam Bam on Nov 9, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
ONE THING
that did not cost them the game! 16-30 with nearly 2 pics and nearly 3 more did!
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
WRONG
Until your knee/elbow hits, you are allowed to advance the ball. Therefore, McNabb crawling for extra yardage on top of the pile needs to count.
That is just plain wrong. In order to prevent unecessary injuries refs can and will stop a play once they determine forward progress has stopped. How many times have you seen a play where a player can’t be brought down by four or five guys so they blow the whistle? It also happens in short yardage scrums. So its not where the ball finally ends up when the players get up, its where it was when the whistle blows – and it did blow.
McNabb yapping . . .
Not a McNabb hater by any stretch but I got really tired of him lecturing players last night including going over to Maclin last night to chew out out on that 1st INT. It was a shaky throw to begin with. There were a couple of other times too that McNabb was yapping too.
McNabb should have had a talk with himself but he didn’t play well and made some really crappy throws even when he had time.
That was Maclin's fault. No "shaky" excuse. The throw was there.
You absolutely have to talk to him about that as the QB and veteran. Especially when it’s a rookie.
That throw was not shaky...but exactly on target.
Watch the replay again. Mcnabb had to put it a little high because he needed to get it over the linebacker. I think it was Brooking the ball barely went over.
World Series- check
NBA Title- check
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it went threw his hands and off his facemask. thats 100% on Maclin. McNabb made mistakes in the game, but that wasn’t one of them.
#DONG# tweet tweet
Yeah, i’ve had a football hit me in the facemask before, its like putting your head in a church bell while its being rang. I can only imagne how loud it was with an arm like Mcnabbs throwing it
by Dallas Mutha F'ing Cowboys on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Avant and Celek
If the Boys were taking away the sidelines and the deep ball by doubling Jackson constantly, why didn’t the Eagles go to Avant and Celek more especially on route across the middle which generally were open? Need to consider running more slants and drags across the middle and underneath instead of trying to hit 15-20 strikes with Maclin and Jackson.
Spot Challenges
I didn’t think either of these would be successful, but I will ask the question: how often have spot challenges resulted in a new spot?
It happens.
No idea what the success percentage is, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were close to the overall success rate of challenges.
Bad calls aside....
…..the Eagles lost the game because of the poor play of the Offensive Line. This may be due to the injuries, but more than once you could see WR open downfield and McNabb just didn’t have the time to set and throw.
#1 in NFC East
Can anyone tell me who’s leading our division right now? Sorry Eagles fans, you can blame the refs if you want. I understand, thats how i felt when dallas lost to NYG. And all this win does for me is prove that we should have beaten the giants, and denver for that matter. Anyways, you can’t change the past. And look at the positive, the way this year is going, looks like both dallas and philly will make it to the playoffs. And, if atlanta doesn’t step it up, we might have one of those years where 3 NFC East teams go to playoffs. The NFC East is the best division in all of football, even with the redskins.
GO COWBOYS!!
by Dallas Mutha F'ing Cowboys on Nov 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions
sorry
No I was just responding to all the $hit talking post on the cowboys site from all week long leading up to the game. And besides, i think my post was way more positive and sportsman like compared to the philly posts on dallas sites.
by Dallas Mutha F'ing Cowboys on Nov 9, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions
No I was just responding to all the $hit talking post on the cowboys site
Shouldn’t you be doing that on the cowboys site?
not coming on here to be a dick...
Just wondering how you guys feel about Peters? I know when we traded him to you guys I felt good about it because of the holdouts and everything.. But I would take him back in a heartbeat because we have the worst LT in the game besides poor Aaron Rodgers up in GB. Saw him go down last night and it looked bad at first, but I believe he came back? I try to watch philly when theyre on but just curious about how Eagles fans feel about him 8 games into his Philadelphia career…
People in western New York would respect you a lot more if you went out, busted butt and they saw it in the way you did things on and off the field. - Darryl Talley
Really?
Because I remember Ware slapping McNabb arm to prevent a sure TD pass to Maclin in the endzone.
That was when Peters was out
Todd Herremans was the guilty party on that play (not his fault; he had moved from guard to tackle)
Ah ok...
….I thought it was the first or second play after he returned to the game. But Peters shot Ware down when the Cowboys last played Buffalo. Considering the guy was playing on a flat tire, not too bad.
Now if you could have had someone on Ratliff.
go watch the tape...
Peters did well against Ware, but he had help for the most part..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Mute point really, Mcnabb was sacked what..4 or 5 times and had pressure all night in his face...
Ware was limited but Ratliff dominated your OL all night
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
yeah with help for the most part...
Ware was being chipped all night on Peters side….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
yep ware was shut down for the most part by Peters who was on a bum foot
and I believe x-rays proved a few weeks back Ware is playing with a foot fracture. Nice try making Peters look greater when ware is hurt too :) Still I like Peters and he is a beast on the left side.
Philly fans are babies
you got your asses kicked. plain and simple. want to use th refs as a scapegoat. c’mon, the boys had plenty of phantom calls all night long as well as the philly o-line holding about evry other play and we werent getting those calls. love to hear you all whining. wah wah wah. enjoy second place you classless fans.
ummm.ok
Got our asses kicked? First of all i don’t play for the Eagles, second of all a final score of 20-16 is not “getting our asses kicked.” You know what final score is “getting your asses kicked” though? 44-6, douchebag.
ok we didn't kick anyone's ass last night
we won a close game that means alot to our team. We as Dallas fans don’t need to act like Giants fans and say we kick ass by winning 33-31, thats how they speak not us. The Eagles are a good talented team and so is Dallas. Thats what makes the damn NFC East the best division. This season is long and all we can do is hope to get better each week.
Thank you. I have a really low opinion of Dallas fans given how many inbred asshats come over here following a win. It’s nice to see that, just like all Philly fans don’t meet the stereotype, neither do all the fans of the Cowboys.
This was a close game, and could have gone either way. Games like this come down to who makes the least amount of mistakes, and Sunday night it was the Boys.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
eagle you do know there are classless fans of every team?
you have classless fans just like we do , just like giants do, patriots do…….stop all the fantasy talk as if your team has none.
maybe I wasn't clear
FireWadeNow is a classless moron. He is the classless dallas fan you’re referring to. That’s the irony. The classless fan is calling people classless.
maybe clueless is the word were looking for?
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
yea but philly is extra classless its sad that some place is worse than jersey(well pretty much the same thing). Philly is as classless as they come theres no comparasion.
Come into Philly and say that.
Oh wait, you won’t, because you’re an Internet Tough Guy?
Ok, thought so. Puss puss.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like Philly fans for the most part.......
I like fans who get that emotional during a game like they do. I wish sometimes our fans at our stadium cheered like do to energize the club. We have to many quiet rich people in texas stadium.
The only classeless thing I know to be truthful was when Irvin got hurt in Philly and they were cheering loudly when he was laying on the field. I didn’t like that nor do I like any club that cheers injuries of a opposing player. That being said not all fans cheered or for that matter probably 90% of the fans didnt cheer that injury. Just the bad apples did which gave me a bad perception of Philly fans.
They cheered the hit, and then they boo-ed Deion Sanders for doing some voodoo “lay hands” bullshit on Irvin, as if it would heal him.
All we saw was a bad, mean human being take a huge hit. Nobody knew it was going to end his career. There were some classless fools cheering once the stretcher came out, but those people exist in every fanbase. It was not the majority.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 12, 2009 5:29 AM EST up reply actions
the only thing good in philly is cheese steak sands!
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
The only good thing in Dallas is Jerry Jones’ plastic surgeon.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Some maybe...
not to take anything away from dallas for the win but the eagles thanks to mcnabb for his usual erratic performance and reid’s usual poor game management contributed to the dallas win…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 10, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
game
second place for one week we will see at the end of the regular season hope you cowboys make the playoffs.
Says the fans who always crow about 5 Super Bowl Rings won over a decade ago.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
i’d definitely like to see avant as the #2 reciever or if not at least used more as the slot guy he has the best hands on the team..
stop eating crayons, its affecting your brain!
by THE COWBOY FAN on Nov 9, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
stop whining!
You got beat! i know you ve had lots of success against dallas but maybe theres a change of the guard in the east? i listened to an eagles fan complain about officiating all day! get over it. Mcinconsistency was just that, inconsistent. dallas shut down your best weapon, the refs didnt catch that 49 yard TD, YOUR OWN PLAYER THRU THE BLOCK THAT SPRUNG CRAYTON! And you couldnt stop Barber in the fourth. If you dont like it become a steelers fan or better yet theres plenty of room on the COWBOYS bandwagon!
gross
it’s sad you want bandwagon fans. I was under the impression that they are the bane of any fanbase.
Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s that big. Ask you sister about it when you crawl into bed with her tonight.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Cowboys do have the biggest fan base.......
Love or hate them they are the most popular team and they bring in most of the highest rated games. When they are playing good all the big networks want their games. Its just a fact and every team has a few bandwagon fans. The facts prove the Cowboys fan base when they played below 500 in the early 2000 years and still brought in the highest rating over a season. People watch them love em or hate them :)
gross?
cowboys have more road fans than any team in the NFL!
JUST SAYING IF YOURE SICK OF BEING THE BRIDES MAID, WE GOT ROOM FOR YOU!
no offense but that was not that funny...kinda dumb in my opinion as we all sometimes forget to hit reply lol
you two are hilarious though….like watching a kid fight from back in the day :)
The spirit of Bill Bates lives
and his name is Tashard Choice!
This seems like a conversation that should be, oh I don’t know, on the Cowboys board.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
This thread is pretty lame
I don’t see how any Dallas fan can be excited about their team or this win right now. The eagles had beaten one good team of their five wins and you probably can’t call the giants good anymore. As for the game the cowboys scored their points thanks to committing a lot of third and longs. Which says two things- they made huge plays but were also bas enough to get in those situations. The cowboys have played four playoff caliber teams and won twice (and that’s including Philly in that list). And they went ot against kc. So fans of both teams should be upset. And as mentioned higher the eagles traditionally get better under Reid in the final two months while the cowboys sputter. And I think al Michaels or collinsworth said it best last night when they said the cowboys haven’t had a good decade and the eagles have been a big part of that. When I mean a bad decade I mean no playoff wins.
by phillynyc on Nov 9, 2009 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no play off wins in a decade
Or no Superbowls ever? Which is worse? You decide.
Nevertheless, I can’t believe how much you guys cry. Wow! Your team is known for not being able to sustain drives and relying on long plays. Now you are giving us crap for converting long 3rd downs? Again, WOW!
As for excited about out team, you are right, beating scrubs like you guys is not cause for too much celebration. I note thought, that the Giants neeeded a last second field goal to beat us (this after a freakish string of turnovers) and we were a yard short of taking Denver to overtimes. All in all, I think our 6-2 record is indicative of a good team that can challenge. Your team on the other hand has beaten only the Giants, struggled against the Redskins (yes, you did) and lost to the Raiders (the Raiders???). So do me a favor, go get cheesesteak, buy some Mickeys malt liqour and go watch some Rocky V reruns (yes, clowns like you probably choose to watch the worst one of them all!)
stop crying
if anyone on this thread is crying it’s you; you’re crying that we’re not all bowing at the cowboys 6-2 record. No one cares who is in first at the midway point. go back to BTB until december please. Your whining about the lack of praise for the cowboys (on an eagles website) is old.
If we cry so damn much go back to BTB, trust me, no one wants you here anyways. No one is crying on this site. If anything, a conversation between eagle fans about what happened during the game, mistakes that were made, and things that the eagles need to improve on were being discussed. Sorry that because you guys beat us 20-16 we don’t need to jump on the same bandwagon you got on. Ya’ll beat us last year in a similar type of fashion and talked all this shit – and for what? We beat you guys in December when it really mattered and we were the ones to make it to the playoffs. So how about you get the hell out of here and go back to BTB.. this game is going 2 days old. Old news. We are now focusing on our next game.. something you should do as well. Its pathetic that 2 days later you’re still on our site when you should be worrying about what Aaron Rodgers is going to put up on you guys.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
Hahaha, a “freakish string of turnovers”
Tony Romo’s your QB. No amount of turnovers are freakish.
Cognrats, you won by 4 points. The last game we played at the Linc, we won by 40.
Now you accuse me of living in the past, conveniently forgetting that you just crowed about 5 ancient SB wins.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 11, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
What?
A crybaby and jackass who has no reading comprehension skills? Wow? Go to sleep baby.
I just find it funny how people get on these sites just to
try and correct others like its English class all over again. This is for fun and not a job. I will write or speak correctly where I work and make money . Not on a blog or chat lol
notice just then I didnt push reply?
well someone else uses that to bash people too lmao. Quote: you don’t know how to push reply….burnnnnnnnnnnn lmaoooooooooooooooooooo I am still laughing at that one.
I know it’s a lot to expect someone to be able to write correctly in the language they’ve been writing and speaking in their whole lives. Sorry you don’t have the time, energy, or intellect to bother with it.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 12, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
that’s my whole view … if you want people to take you seriously and actually pay attention to the point your trying to make, then make the extra effort to make it coherent. I can understand spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes I can even put up with shorthand as long as it appears an effort was made.
If you make no effort then IMO you don’t really care so why should I care about what you have to say?
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
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