What to do with Mcnabb
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 7:50 AM EST
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Yes, I know that I am going to get hammered and ridiculed for even starting a thread named "What to do with Mcnabb". I am going to get called a fair weather fan, a front runner and everything else.
The thing is, I am remembering several years of Mcnabb football when I say this: He is the most inconsistent player I have ever seen. One week he is threading the ball inbetween defenders where he had no business even throwing it in the first place looking as if he is the best QB in the leauge. The next week he is throwing the ball into the ground and behind wide open wide recievers.
We have blamed the receivers not getting open for so long, but now Mcnabb finally had 4 legit weapons in his arsenal: Jackson, Maclin, Celek, and Avant. They were open at times last night. You can blame it on the O-line not giving him time, but I consistantly saw Mcnabb able to step up in the pocket and get at least 5-6 seconds to throw the ball.
Since the Eagles have been under Andy Reid and Mcnabb, this is the one thing I have noticed: They either win comfortably, or they lose. There is no middle ground, I can't remember ever being a team that was able to win with 2 minutes left in the game, or win a low scoring defensive battle.
On Donavon's best day, and Kolbs best day, there is no question in my mind that Donavon is the better QB. The thing that Kolb has, the Mcnabb doesn't is consistancy. He makes those short dump off passes to players like Celek and McCoy that Donavon always seems to throw into the ground or so hard that the guy can't catch it. Kolb has touch, even if he doesn't have the arm strength. When Kolb throws the ball to a player, the player is usually able to run after the catch. Donavon normally throws it so hard, or low that the player makes the catch for a short gain, but is in no position to get yards after the catch. Think about how much more effective Celek was under Kolb than he has been under Mcnabb...
I don't think the Eagles are ever going to be a GREAT team unless Mcnabb plays like he can play every Sunday, not 1/3 or even 1/2 Sundays.
Does anyone else agree with me? Is it time for Andy to stop being sentimental and move on with the younger, more consistent QB?
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The only real consistent game McNabb has had throwing the ball since he came back was the Giants game. He was a lot better in the second half last night, but he opened up that game looking pretty off target.
by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 7:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
what kind of pass was that for the 2nd interception? Where was he throwing it?
I will admit, there were alot of thing you could get on the Eagles about for that game:
There was no fear of the run game what so ever last night in the 2nd half. We had 7 minutes to score, why did Andy call pass play after pass play on the last drive of the game?
Why is Andy the worst challenger in the league? I didn’t think he had much of a shot on either of those challenges. Why do we not have someone intelligent in the booth controlling the red flag for Andy at this point? Andy always seems to throw the flag because it is a big spot in the game, not because there is good evidence to reverse the call.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The second one
Should have been reversed. The first one was a dumb call by Andy.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game, the first one looked like a first down as well. But what can you do now?
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On Donavon’s best day, and Kolbs best day, there is no question in my mind that Donavon is the better QB. The thing that Kolb has, the Mcnabb doesn’t is consistancy.
Kolb has only started two games though. Can’t really say that Kolb is really that consistant. His third game, he could have thrown 20 interceptions for all we know.
by justyn725 on Nov 9, 2009 8:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because Kolb is consistent throughout the game. He doesn’t throw the ball into the ground every other time he drops back. Kolb has touch, how many times last night did Donavon make a short throw hard on a receiver? I can remember multiple screen passes where the McCoy had to work just to catch the ball (granted he also dropped one). Celek has to go down on his knees to catch the ball half the time, when Kolb started, Celek was a beast after the catch. We are supposed to be running the west coast offense, not the score a TD in 4 plays or don’t score at all offense. Did you see that stat last night? 1 drive of 10 or more plays for a score all season? That right there is the problem, our Defense is on the field too much when that happens.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He makes a fair point though
Kolb’s sample size is far too small to really know.
by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. McNabb’s inconsistency is the most frustrating thing about him, but when he’s good, he’s better than Kolb can ever be.
I always debate whether I’d trade “either excellent or awful” (McNabb) for “consistently good most of the time” (Kolb)
Unfortunately, it seems like most games you can tell pretty quickly whether it’s a Good McNabb day or Bad McNabb day.
by BrianS on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest, when McNabb is good, he is better that Aikman could ever be.
But which one of the two is a better QB? Not McNabb.
McNabb can carry a team unlike many QB in NFL history. Its not a fair assessment to base Kolbs future on McNabbs past. The two have different skills sets. I think that we know what we got in McNabb. But we don’t know what we have in Kolb. It would be silly to let Kolb go, and find out he is the next Aikman!!
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by yophillybro on Nov 9, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid we play these cards wrong and get no value for McNabb.
I agree that we do not have a large enough sample size on Kolb to determine either way. But we did have a large enough on McNabb.
I hope we don’t go into next year with both, we get nothing at the end of the year if we do. McNabb still has value, especially with the lack of good QBs out there. Imagine, I read that somes are looking long and hard at Vick. I imagine we can still get a first round for McNabb.
I don’t see the purpose of going out every year with the same thing and expecting us to do better. McNabb is what he is, a very good QB who has a lot of bad days. I prefer a good QB who doesn’t have as many bad days. We have enough weapons to make up for what Kolb doesn’t bring.
I hope we make the right call and get that extra pick. We can revisit that right tackle position with those picks. Although Justice has had a decent year.
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by yophillybro on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true in terms of game time experience.
However, I think you also have to include practice experience. The guy has been good enough in practice that he would get the start above a guy like Vick, or AJ Feely who was also a very good backup QB for us.
Also, you hear coaches like Harbaugh that have left the Eagles singing the praises of Kolb.
I am not trying to Argue that he is the next best thing, but if there is one think I think he has shown its that he has the ability to be a good QB in this league, and from what I saw, even with the interceptions against NO, I think he is more consistent.
With the team we have on offense now, I would rather get the ball in the hands of play makers on a more consistent basis. We don’t need a QB to do everything anymore.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
We don’t need a QB to do everything anymore.
Kolb is a better fit now, even though McNabb is a better QB. McNabb strenghs do not compliment the Eagles strenghs.
Kolb has done everything a QB could do to earn his spot. He was drafted for that reason, and he did well in the time he played. The teams appears to like him as well. I think McNabb deserves this entire year, regardless to bad play. Kolb gets the keys to the Eagle wagon unless McNabb wins it all.
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by yophillybro on Nov 9, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is how I feel too, and that was the point of this post
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All jokes aside, I love what I have seen from Kolb from day one.
Even when people were trashing Kolb, I though he had some strong skills that can be developed. He reminds me of Troy Aikman mixed with Jeff Garcia.
He has a way of keeping the offense moving in tempo. He had the only drive vs Baltimore, although he threw that horrible pick six.
Kolb has a way of creating tempo with the offense. McNabb never gets in a rythm, rather he goes 3 and out a lot and completes that one bomb every game to make up for the rest of the game. I love McNabb, but Kolb deserves to play in the future.
Its unfair to Kolb to have no chance of playing just because he wasn’t a first round pick and McNabb was. I know McNabb won a ton of games, and I will always remember as a great qb because of that. But we can’t live in the past. When the Phillies Kept trotting out Lidge, we all recognized that something needed to change, we had no loyalty to him. Why such loyalty to McNabb.
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by yophillybro on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before the Giants game
Kolb made every receiver on this team look more productive in 2 games than McNabb had in 4
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh you wont get bitched at from me Clyde
Ive been one of the few hardline Kolb supporters on here
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You cant possibly think of starting kolb because of mcnabbs performance last night
I will admit i was extremely pissed off last night. It was a game we clearly shouldve won. I dont think for 1 second dallas is a better team than us. Was an extremely embaressing loss at home, but it happens. I blame everyone honestly. Stupid play calls too many passes and the biggest thing is…… STOP FUCKING PASSING ON 1st down. All it leads to is an incomplete pass and then u run on 2nd down, which mccoy will rarley pick up the 1st down then ur stuck with trying to convert on 3rd down which philly has just proved to be awful at. I blame mcnabb for not getting the ball to jackson hes the only major threat on our team. stupid young o line. Horrible linebackers minus witherspoon hes a beast. Stupid penaltys. Gay refs for blowing dallas’s cock on the last challenege that we clearly shouldve won. and the number one thing that will keep us guessing what if , is reid kicking the fuckin field goal when ur down 7 points makes no sense at all to me when u have no time outs left. Just blows my mind hwy any stupid asshole would do that u still need a td to win wtf the differnce whether u lose by 7 or 4 u still lose u fat retard blahhh forgive me folks still pretty annoyed :-)
by thegreatginzo on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
VERY SIMPLE.......
Sum it up very easily…… Donavan Mcnabb is the most inconsistent QB in the history of the NFL. One week the guy looks like freakin Dan Marino and the next looks like Scott Mitchell.
That being said tho we are better off with him and he has done a lot for the city and team, SB or not. Calls for Kolb are not only premature but downright silly.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What to do with McNabb was more addressed for the future. I agree that you can’t bench him yet, but if you had the option to trade him in the off season and go with Kolb as your QB of the future, would you? Would you think it would make the team better overall to say goodbye to Donavon for a 3rd rounder?
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ive been calling for Kolb since LAST SEASON
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
donavan Mcnabb is the greatest quarterback in the history of the eagle
he is a potential hall of fame and u want to get rid of him after one loss to a tough team. Kiss my grits as flo would say
grammer geeks you make me sick
by angryandy on Nov 9, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
if you read his post
he’s arguing that this is not because of 1 loss. It’s a history of inconsistency, and you have to give that argument credit. McNabb is inconsistent, it’s a fact. The Eagles with McNabb are inconsistent.
I’ve only been a fan since my college years, which coincidentally started in ‘99 at the start of the Reid/McNabb era…and if I’ve learned one thing about Eagles football this decade it’s that on any given Sunday we can beat the best team in football, or we can lose to the worst team in football.
RIDICULOUS inconsistency!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i am so sick
oif people with this " AFter ONE tough loss" CRAP! Its NOT one tough loss….its YEARS of close losses or downright upsets (oakland ,cincy anyone) Are you all so blind that you live game to game and forget a season is a MINIMUM of 16 games???!?!?!?!?!? If your QB is only greats through 8 of em and sucks ass in the other 8 , than then means after breaking down the MEDIAN hes only MEDIOCRE!!!!!
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He may be the greatest QB Eagles have seen in some time, but.....
Trade him! He’s a choker. Watch P. Manning run his team like a vet…McNabb’s not our answer. We will NEVER win a SB with this guy; he’s already proven that. Yes, McNabb has taken us places we haven’t been, stats we haven’t seen, and excitement for the team I have not felt in some time….but the McNabb era is OVER! I am not saying Kolb is our guy, I am saying McNabb’s not our guy. Someone needs to smack that smile off his face too, give us Rivers…if he missed a pass or is in crunch time you never see him grinning….wish we had Rivers!
by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do not want
a trash talking douche bagg like Rivers. Talk about choking, McNabb should be giving that phony the Heimlich
by DLawrence on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Choking
McNabb, of late, has been our most clutch player.
Last night, Brent Celek choked on a perfectly thrown laser from McNabb. McCoy dropped a screen pass. On that last drive, McNabb was playing his best football of the night.
“I’m not saying Kolb is our guy, I’m saying McNabb is not our guy.” Congratulations you’re a true fan.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure about rivers but
mcnabb is hopeless… rooting for him is like rooting for greg norman back in the day when he choked every sunday… all the occasional flashes of brilliance can’t make up for the meltdowns… the 3 and outs when a drive is most needed… or the unnesseary sacks… or the dirtballs… pleeeeeeze… find some GM willing to trade a bunch of draft choices for him and end this torture!!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are u freakin kiddin me???? I would shit on myself if we could get Rivers, of course that is sumtin that will never happen but i would take him in a heartbeat. Dude, did u see the way he led his squad down the field so effortlessly all the while not lookin a bit nervous?? Unlike another QB around here who couldnt even bring us back against the Raiders LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by goldenbird09 on Nov 9, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His consistency would have looked better if Celek and Maclin had held onto perfectly thrown balls.
Speaking of consistency, what was Sheldon thinking? A good cover corner can’t get beat like that, especially when he had underneath help.
by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon is good because he jumps routes on Blitzs and reads the QB. Its a dangerous game, but you need to accept that we play it and thats how a JJ defense works.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm well aware of how JJ defenses work, but Sheldon is consistently a great cover guy more than a turnover machine.
That play was frustrating because with underneath help that TD didn’t need to happen. It also would help if we had any linebackers besides Witherspoon left. I’m not sure if McDermott has told them that TEs are allowed to catch passes.
by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I don’t think they did that poorly against Witten, all things considered. No touchdown catches, and they made a couple of good open field tackles as well. Obviously, not having Jordan hurt on that final third down conversion.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seemed like every time they needed a first down, they just tossed it to Witten and got it.
In a game like last night’s, that’s enough to be damaging.
by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK BUT...........
Witten was WIDE open and would have had a TD with his eyes closed had Homo seen him on the last drive before halftime when we held for a field goal.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 9, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Avant bailed him out on a poorly thrown ball
and while McCoy had a couple drops, there were a few others over his head.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that there was plenty inconsistency to go around last night.
No one on offense played particularly well. McNabb has games like this. We all know it. When is having an off game, catching the gimme passes matter that much more. And almost everyone dropped some gimme passes.
by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UR RIGHT...........
There was a lot of inconsistency to go around last night on both sides of the ball, one of the things that really was pissing me off was this fukin Oggletree or watever the fuk his name is killing us on those freakin WR screens. I can see him catching us off guard once but cmon , fool us once shame on u…..fool us twice shame on us.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the eagles and mcnabb but...
I love the eagles more. I dont think a change should occur now, but I am getting really frustrated with the inconsistency.
I can not watch another game like last years NFC championship. Yes I know there was plenty of blame to go around, but the bottom line is he took the first half of that game off. As an NFL quarterback, you simply can not do that.
He has earned the right to play out this year, but if our season ends on another mcnabb clunker, then I am done.
I honestly love the guy, he is a professional, classy athlete. But jesus he is inconsistent.
I know kolb only has a few starts and we dont really know what we have with him. But we can say the same with mcnabb, every week I have to wonder if mcnabb is going to be on, or if we are in store for a clunker.
I also know this game wasnt his fault, I am more talking about the subject of mcnabb, rather than what cost us the dallas game.
by Tbot86 on Nov 9, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well put, but WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE??
COME ON MAN! Yes, a couple calls didn’t go our way, but this loss is on McNugget’s shoulders. You said it – inconsistent!!! He’s not even that serious at times, or just plays around too much……look at the great QB’s in the league right now, who would you rather have??
by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we need a great QB
we have a great team. We only need a QB that can accurately and quickly get the ball to the playmakers.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our team is dwindling down
Too many injuries at key positions, and no General to run the O
by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
watching Peters get hurt
was a punch to the gut. We are NOT prepared to lose a tackle, thank God he came back!
Other than that though, our offense seems to be in a good position. This is the first year in a long time that Westbrook can be hurt, and we still have a chance…Our WRs aren’t hurt…our TE is playing good ball…our line has been inconsistent, but they’re starting to come together…Weaver is playing well…McCoy has also done fine…
I agree that McNabb is not a General running the O. He is a good locker-room leader, but I don’t consider him an on-field leader at all.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good shit......
i applaud u man for your ability to stay positive and 2 see the good over the bad but i think for right now in the short term scheme of things that we are in trouble. Just 2 many goddamn injuries and too many young players who are not ready 2 start for a team with SB aspirations. That being said i do LOVE all the young talent and do think were set for the future if we can only find the final piece 2 the puzzle in a True on field leader QB who wants the ball when the game is on the line.
Wat affect do u think it has on the youngsters when they see the guy (donavan ) who is supposed to be their leader fukin laughing and smiling after he gets sacked at key freakin moment in the game???
by goldenbird09 on Nov 9, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what effect it has
It could do one of two things…either he looks like a goofball who doesn’t care about winning. Or he looks like a guy who stays positive when things aren’t going well.
I hate his smile when things are bad. I’m certainly not smiling, why should he be? Sometimes I swear I want the Birds to win more than he does.
And as far as injuries go, I didn’t realize we took so many hits during the game. Ellis Hobbs is replaceable as far as I’m concerned…good as a return guy but not good as a corner. If Peter’s misses time, we’re F*ed…No, seriously! McNabb holds the ball WAY too long for Herremans to hold off elite pass rushers. Akeem Jordan has been playing really well, and he’ll be missed, but I think we have the personnel to replace our WILL moreso than our MIKE or SAM. Jordan’s injury shouldn’t hurt us more than Gocong’s did (not to say that Gocong is better, strongside is just a different position, like OGuard vs Tackle, we’re in a better position to lose a guard)
I can’t say I’m too excited about this team to be that bummed. I don’t think we’re nearly the team that we expected to be. We’re WAY TOO inconsistent. I was excited that we beat the Giants, but watching them lose 4 in a row makes me question how tough a team they are to beat. Maybe we haven’t beaten any good teams this year.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tru tru.....
definitely right about the Giants win not looking as good as it did last week but cmon….cmon….u and i both kno its always sweet to beat up on the Giants wether their 7-0 or 0-7, i just love when we beat them.
And yeah man the injuries are getting freakin ridiculous now, why does it seem like were the most injured team in the league…..probably cause we are. I mean mean wtf first we lose our TRUE leader on D in Stew , then Gaither goes down, and now possibly Jordan?? And just to even things out the list goes on and on for the injuries on the offensive side of the ball as well. Imagine how sick our line would be if Shawn Andrews wasnt a headcase and complete waste, or if Kevin was 100% from the the get go. But oh well , i kno u gotta roll with wat u got it just pisses me off.
Wat are ur thoughts on the upcoming nightmare in San Diego???? Obviously u kno mine, lol
by goldenbird09 on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
we’re the most injured team. We’re just most familiar with our injuries. The Giants have been running without Kenny Philips or Aaron Ross…of course teams are passing on them with success. They were less prepared to lose a safety than we were to lose Stew.
As far as San Diego goes…it goes like EVERY game this year is going to go: Either the big play works and we win, or it doesn’t work and we lose
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Sometimes I swear I want the Birds to win more than he does."
I think that’s true of most players across sports actually. It is not very often that you have a Michael Jordan who cannot function properly if he isn’t winning at something. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say that most diehard fans care more about their teams wins or losses than most of the athletes do. I’m not saying the athletes don’t care, but I don’t think most of them hurt the way we do when they lose. Maybe McNabb doesn’t care as much as you do, but he is isn’t the only one.
But to your point about him smiling. He has always been a positive person and I think his way of dealing with adversity is to stay positive. Leaders don’t always fit into the little stereotyped boxes we have for them.
by NOLACuse on Nov 11, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course......
we take the losses harder then the players. Why would they care???? After the game there goin home to their million dollar homes throwin hundreds into the fire with strippers feeding them grapes( in Andys case its cheesesteaks and ring dings).
by goldenbird09 on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been drilling that point for a while now too
I like McNabb, but I want to win…and I want to win at the expense of any individual player…
If QB inconsistency is hurting us…get a consistent QB
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN JALARSEN
i am so glad you and JoeD are here….I feel like some fans (mostly new ones who havent known anyone BUT McNabb) cant see the forest for the trees…..atleast you and a few select others do!
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nfc championship?
Are you seriously blaming Mcnabb for the NFC championship last year? The defense is what caused the eagles to lose that game. In fact in the second half McNabb brought the team back and gave them the lead, something people say he cannot do. But, the defense gave the lead right back. Donovan was not the reason they lost the NFC championship game, bad example dude.
by PhilsForever on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
who are you responding too?
I know I didnt bring up the NFCCG but since its been brought up….Our D was gassed by the third quarter from “Mr. Wonderful’s” inconsistency once again burning us in the first half…ya the D gave up the lead but where was DMAC in the first half? If wed put some points on the board he wouldnt HAVE to lead a comeback…and our defense woulda been more fresh to hold the lead…it goes both ways on that one
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are u kiddin me Philsfor..........
Yeah all the blame for the Arizona loss isnt on Donavan but most of it is. Ok he led us back in the second half but if he woulda hit some wide open throws he had in the first half we wouldnt have been getting destroyed at halftime.
And the defense shutout the Cardinals for the entire second half up until the ridiculous last drive. So if the D doesnt lock down in the second half we dont get back into the game no matter wat Donavan does.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 9, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you read my comment...
I said there was plenty of blame to go around in the NFCCG, but I will say that about 75% of the blame would goto mcnabb. How were we supposed to stay in the game when the cardinals score and we come right up and go 3 and out. That is completely demoralizing and it wears a defense out.
You highlight mcnabb bringing us back into the game (which he did) and fault the defense for giving up that last touchdown. How many touchdowns did the cardinals have in that second half? ONE.You want to blame the defense for giving up 1 touchdown in the second half? Mcnabb gets us 1 touchdown in the first and its a comepletely different game.
by Tbot86 on Nov 9, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn right
I wanna blame the defense for giving up 1 touchdown in the 2nd half, all they needed was one more stop, the offense had the lead, and they could not get that stop, the defense did not play well in the first half and the offense made up for it in the second half, its up to the defense to get that one last stop and they could not do it. You guys are joke eagle fans for how much you bash mcnabb, it makes me sick.
by PhilsForever on Nov 10, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are just as bias as you claim I am
You say I bash mcnabb too much. But your delusional if you want to blame that loss wholely on the defense. Yes the defense gave up a huge touchdown, it sucked I know. But you act like we were playing the chiefs or something.
The cardinals offense was destroying people durring the playoffs. I think our defense did a heck of a job in the second half. all they needed was one more stop? how about the 5 or 6 stops they got in a row before that.
Yes the defense gave up alot of points in the first half, but mcnabb did not help the situation by throwing bounce passes.
My point is, a good quarterback can not take off the first half of such a huge game. Whether or not Mcnabb lost us the game (which I dont think was all his fault), can you atleast agree he looked bad in the first half?
by Tbot86 on Nov 10, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In addition, I remember the go ahead touchdown being a 1 play drive in which Desean made a hell of a catch in the end zone. That kind of a score does not exactly help the defense.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 10, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been called a flip-flopper concerning McNabb
after the Redskins game, I said I would give him the 2 games against Giants and Cowboys before I decided if I was officially on the Kolb train, and what does he do?
Throws a perfect game one time, and can’t get us a first down the next.
Sorry if my position is inconsistent, but it’s hard with a guy like McNabb. You know what he’s capable of, you just can’t figure out why his ability only shows up half the time.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is dead on
McNabb is too inconsistent, which makes the Eagles as a whole inconsistent. I think that after 5’s contract is up, Kolb will be the guy who steps in. I think Kolb will be successful too.
by worldphuckinchamps on Nov 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In crunch time
McNabb did not screw up. Celek dropped a catch on a beautiful laser throw from McNabb. McNabb is the only player who can make that throw. Shady dropped his second screen of the night after that and it was third and 10. On the last drive, McNabb was accurate. In fact, for most of the second half he was on target.
You think Kolb would have been able to escape the pocket and make that td pass to Celek? No.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Kolb and Donavon have different positives. Donavon’s positives are to make plays like the TD pass to Celek. I think Kolb is better at the West Coast offense, and hitting recievers accurately. If you properly read the defense, you don’t need to have a laser arm…look P. Manning, Brady, Bress and Rviers….I don’t think one of them is known for their arm strength.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what?
Kolb threw three picks against New Orleans, and he missed his fair share of short throws (the third down throw to Westbrook comes to mind). The only time Kolb has played well was under perfect conditions against KC.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember a picks being thrown once we got desperate.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
two picks in the last two minutes against NO
one was thrown because andy called TO and had him throw a bomb as time expired. it’s so annoying hearing that he threw 3 picks. Factual? Yes. Accurate portrayal of how he played? Not at all. The same people bitching about the 3 ints are the same people saying kolb only threw for 391 that game because it was all in garbage time.
by eagleyosh on Nov 9, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And
Tom Brady has one of the strongest arms in the NFL.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has a quick release, I never considered his arm strength above average though
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What you consider
And what is the truth are two different things. In the Super Bowl against the Giants, Brady threw the ball over 70 yards to Randy Moss in double coverage. The ball went off of Moss’ hands.
He was a sixth round pick because his college production wasn’t great until the end of his career. He was constantly battling Drew Henson for the starting job, and the playcalling has also always been atrocious at Michigan.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I thought i was the only one shocked by that …i turned to my brother and was like brady just threw the ball 70 yards. So he does have a strong arm , but is also the luckiest man in football. If drew bledsoe doesnt go down in the playoffs bledsoe wins that superbowl and at least 1 more and brady is a back-up prolly traded. Bill Bellyfat got matt cassell 13 wins and $60 mil ! The minute brady went down I immediately sent a mass text to everyone I knew saying watch this backup win the superbowl. Brady is a decent NFL player playing for the greatest coach of our generation (face it) . plug in 75% of decent above average QBs into bradys spot and they will be 3 time SB winners. Put brady on the Colts, you think he would have 4 dif 8-0 starts ? Peyton is an animal once in a generation player , brady is lucky….
by Mikegeminsky on Nov 10, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brady’s good, but you’re right. Peyton is on another level.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that either...
Kolb could be the guy, we know McNugget, McRibb…whatever, isn’t. I want a guy that runs the teams, is the clear leader, and pumps things up. Have you ever watched Drew Brees before a game, rally his troops……do you see Brees, Manning, ect. with that dumb as smirk on their face…NO YOU DON’T. McNabb’s TOO MUCH OF A GOOFBALL!!!!!
by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So clearly
Smiling before you play football is a sign that you are a bad player.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock
by John (obviousman) on Nov 9, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not what i mean buddy...
Watch McNabb’s previous games, I’m just saying he’s tooo much of a goofball….needs to be a little more serious
by jussscheckitout on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have watched Mcnabb's previous games
Guess what? McNabb is 2-0 against Brett Favre. Both times the Packers were up in the 4th. One game was in the playoffs. You don’t think he’s clutch? You don’t think he takes the game seriously?
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea jusss
should be serious like Shaq and Big Ben….idiots just look for things with Mcnabb, if he won a superbowl on a magical once in a lifetime hail mary were the guy catches the ball with his helmet then everyone would love him……and he’d be a winner and champion. Please STFU
by Mikegeminsky on Nov 10, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What to do with Mcnabb
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been a strong Mcnabb supporter through the years and I am finally done after this season. I’ve always wanted him to win the big show to prove the nay sayers wrong but I just think Mcnabb doesn’t have the mentality of a leader and quarterback. In a way the quarterback has to be the hardest worker on the team and that he is not. He’s been in the league many years now and seems he has not developed past the point he is at now. A Peyton Manning or Tom Brady are such great quarterbacks because they have the one thing that sets them apart from all other talent: the will to win and the need for greatness. When it comes down to it, it seems like Mcnabb is really kind of blase about his profession. In other words he has the talent but doesn’t want it bad enough. He just seems content where he stands. I’m all for the idea of having fun when you’re out there but there needs to be a certain degree of competitiveness to your attitude. And when it comes to the 2 minute drill he looks like a deer in headlights. I cannot remember too many comeback victories in his day and I think that is a symptom of a leader without confidence. He is purely a product of the sytem he is in, and if Andy doesn’t put a perfect game plan in place he is in trouble. Thats when your veteran quarterback should pick up the slack. I’ve seen it all for too long and I want a Superbowl before I die and know it will not be with Mcnabb or maybe even Andy Reid. I appreciate everything to this point but it’s time for a change. I’m sorry we can’t win it with him but Andy has to take control of his future at some point and stop treating him like a vulnerable little child.
by Phillyfanwaiting1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interceptions
Both McNabb’s interceptions were b/c of Maclin’s miscues.
The first ball hit him in the palms of his hands. Interception.
The second ball he wasn’t even looking for because he ran the wrong route. Interception.
Donovan’s inaccurate! LMFAO.
Andy Reid’s playcalling is an abomination.
STOP THESE THREADS PLEASE.
by damonmoore43 on Nov 9, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think
The second int was partially McNabb’s fault as well. It looked to me like the throw against the Giants. McNabb expected Maclin to go up and fight the defender for the ball, but Maclin wanted to keep going. Miscommunication. Hopefully, that will become less frequent when they get used to each other.
Remember, Desean had some bad games last year too. You’ve got to expect this with young players.
As for McNabb, he got off to a slow start, but he hung in there and made some pretty good throws. On the last drive, Celek and McCoy both dropped potential first downs, and McNabb kept the drive alive with two beautiful sideline outs to Maclin and Avant.
by tanman5 on Nov 9, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those two picks have little to nothing to do with peoples’ assessment of McNabb being inaccurate.
by JasonB on Nov 9, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't argue with damon Jason
He’s about as smart as JIBTA or EvilBanner.
If anyone who’s ever watched football for at least a coupel year period of time could see that Mcnabb played like a less than steller qb last night (and for much of the season)…even though mac should’ve had the one throw, mcnabb STILL had to put 150 mph on the ball to make it that much harder to catch
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last time he called everyone who thought mcnabb was inaccurate racist. It was quite the shocker.
by eagleyosh on Nov 9, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
I remember that…
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are an idiot.
Just thought I’d say that. Keep burning candles at your shrine to the flaccid arm pantywaist.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who are you refering to evil banner?
me or joe? Or jalarsen…or dawk or or or,,,,
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't call evilbanner dumb...
people just don’t agree with his opinions on management. he seems like a pretty bright guy, otherwise. even JIBTA has moments of lucidity.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
by snowhill82 on Nov 10, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mcnabb BLOWS
I been saying this. Finally people are starting to realize what I’ve been saying for 1.5 years now.
Even though maclin should’ve made that catch easily, mcnabb still threw it at 200 mph.. Of course we’re gong to drop balls, cause even when they ARE on target (which isn’t often) they are 500 ph fast balls.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is a major issue with me too. Donavon doesn’t give you much reaction time when he throws the ball as hard as he can to a receiver 5 yards down field.
the ball hit off Maclins helmet, and he was only a fraction too late in getting his hands up. The guy was wide open though! you could have lobbed it to him, or taken 5 or 10 mph off the ball and allowed Maclin to run after the catch instead of trying to make an acrobatic catch for a 5 yard gain.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
I love McNabb, although he is not why we loss yesterdays game, he didn’t help to win it either.
Some not soo great passess, combined with a Rookie showing to be a rookie.
I love McNabb, but can’t continue to squander games, and revert back the the fact that we have been to 5 NFC championship games. We all forget that we almost made a 6th under Garcia, if not for a Scott Young hold. Yes, our team does survive without McNabb. Actuallly, it adapts and plays well in his absence.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He blows?
Really? Inconsistent sure, but talk like that is why people think you have it out for him and aren’t being rational. Jamarcus blows. Rex Grossman blew. McNabb is flawed, but he certainly doesn’t blow. Some perspective is in order. I know the grass is always greener, but goddamn man.
by NOLACuse on Nov 9, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you are right
mcnabb does not blow and he’s better than many other qb in the league but he’s never going to be the kind of accurate passer needed to win big games… the choice is not simple… stay with the devil you know (mcnabb the erratic poor decsion maker) or venture into the unknown… all things considered i’d prefer the unknown… what’s the worse thing that happens? kolb is a bust… so what… he’s not the only alternative… it seems to me the eagles did pretty well a couple years ago with garcia (and he didn’t have the luxury of any exceptional receivers)… my point being kolb is only one of many alternatives and all are better than mcinconsistency….
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 9, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Kolb is a bust you think it will be that easy to just find someone?
If you believe that you can’t follow much football other than the Eagles. Look at the Cowboys before Romo. They must have had 20 shitty QBs between Romo and Aikman. A bust at QB can mean a long and hard rebuilding process. Our awesome offense won’t matter for shit if we are cycling through the Tavaris Jacksons of the league. If Kolb is a bust we will start losing more than winning on a consistent basis. Possibly for several years. Maybe even longer.
by NOLACuse on Nov 11, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're fearful...
“change” does not have to mean failure… it only means different… and different can be “better” rather than “worse”… the fact that other teams were not able to find better talent only means they had poor front offce personnel… how many teams have moved on to become better… more than a few i’m sure…. the only thing that’s certain is that when things that are wrong are not addressed they get worse not better… mcnabb is not gettig the job done and it is not going to improve!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 12, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's To Blame??
I believe that there’s a lot of blame to go around besides putting most of it on Donovan, starting with the dropped passes. Everyone knows Donavan throws a hard ball and those same receivers who dropped a couple yesterday caught those same passes in the past. At times, the OL seemed out of cinque….missed blocks. McCoy….as great a runner and receiver he’s shown to be, definately needs to improve on his blocking….he missed a couple. When Peters went down…Herremans moved over and didn’t do such a bad job, but we do need a good backup for Peters. We have decent backup at all other OL positions but right tackle. I sure don’t have any confidence in King Dunlap….lol. Peters is a beast, but behind him there’s nothing. Even though McCoy had a good game running, he still takes too many stutter steps before hitting the hole at times, which caused him to gain nothing. Weaver did show he should get more touches. I like his style and he’s hard to bring down. When we were 4th and 1, I would have liked to have seen him run the ball rather than Donovan. It could be that Donovan’s ribs are still sore.
The defense did a pretty good job containing the receivers except for the most important coverage of the game when they scored towards the end of the game. And don’t forget Samuels…….He’s one of the best cover guys in the league, but after he got hurt, and when he returned to the game, he let one guy get pass him without even trying to tackle him. The dude is not that great a tackler and even worse when hurt. But I’m still glad he’s with us….lol. Overall, I saw the game as the winner being the one who made the less mistakes and Dallas made the less mistakes. Not that they out played us, but the Eagles just made too many mistakes. I still believe we have one of the most talented teams in the league, with one of the best QB’s in the league. Because we have so many young players and first year players, this team is still jelling…….One rookie starting wide receiver, one second year starting receiver, rookie starting running back, first year full back, some first year players on the OL, some first year players on defense. I still see a successful season for this team…..but if we do go to 5-5, then I’ll begin to worry. Right now…..I’m not worried. And I’m glad we have McNabb at QB.
by Virgoman3 on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
bandwagon
i hate to jump on mcnabb because he’s such a decent person… i hate to jump on AR because he’s been so much better than anyone (with the exception of Vermiel) in the past… but the facts are too clear to deny… mcnabb is an inconsistent qb and reid is a poor field commander… and these are the two things needed most to win the must win games in the nfl… a qb who makes good decisions and throws accurate passes most of the time (spectacular mixed in with erratic 500 mph worm burners is not good) and a coach who can conserve his time outs just to identify one attribute reid lacks. i would like nothing better than to see mcnabb be traded for some high draft choices (given the number of terrible teams in the league some woeful gm could no doubt be enticed to give up the farm for a goat)… as for reid… let him play consultant to the gm… but no more sideline responsibilities….
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 9, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the lack of respect..
McNabb gets on this blog is beyond atonishing, the guy deserves more than what is being given to him. He is still the best option for the Eagles this year and the best to ever play the position in an Eagles uniform. Has anyone considered that the ribs could be adding to his inconsistency? He has admitted they are not fully healed. If you believe that had Mcnabb played in the new orleans game we would not have had a chance to win, then believe it. I certainly don’t. McNabb does not make that Kolb interception in the 3rd quarter, the second turnover of that quarter which really turned that game in the Saints favor. If the Eagles had McNabb that day, they were more equipped for a shootout that the Saints would have brought. How do i know that? Because all the other games against the Saints have been just that, close shootouts or a blowout win in New Orleans with a healthy McNabb, please stop all this nonsense. It does us no good to bitch about McNabb when he is obviously going to be the starting qb the rest of the year.
by PhilsForever on Nov 9, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
its not just this blog
check out philly.com or the eagles web page…its just that everyone is starting to open their eyes to his faults
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 9, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I disagree
I love McNabb. I’m 21, so most of my memories of the eagles are with McNabb at the helm. He’s been great. However, McNabb is not the Philadelphia Eagles. He is only one player. He has done great things for the franchise, and it will be sad if he leaves, but if he can’t perform anymore, he can’t do it.
Has anyone considered that the ribs could be adding to his inconsistency? He has admitted they are not fully healed.
If that’s the case, then why not let Kolb play? Regardless of how people try to discredit him, he played well in both those games. My pet peeve is how he is discredited. His 3rd quarter INT was the backbreaker, but the defense not stopping the saints offense virtually ever goes overlooked. That was a huge INT, but his one mistake of the game is used by his detractors as the reason that we lost, and evidence that he sucks. He was productive, accurate, and made mistakes you expect a QB making his first appearances to make. I maintain that unless McNabb put on some pads and jogged out on defense that day, the eagles still would have lost.
by eagleyosh on Nov 9, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your falling into the media hype
Anytime a philly fan questions mcnabb we are seen as ungrateful and disrespectful.
Right now I am questiong mcnabb, but I am not some ignorant bandwagon fan. I love mcnabb, I want nothing more then for him to get a super bowl with us.
But as I said earlier, I love the eagles more, I can not watch a team with this much talent be weighed down by mcnabb. This isnt 2002, we have sooooo much talent, we could bring in some one to manage the game, get the ball in the recievers hands. We dont need mcnabb to carry this team anymore.
with that said, I am not calling for his head. He has more than earned his right to prove us all wrong, I will never forget the way he carried this team on his back for so many years. If he finishes out the year strong, great, I am on board for another season. But if we lose a playoff game because he doesnt show up, or we dont even make the playoffs because he forgets how to play football for 2 or 3 games, then I am done.
by Tbot86 on Nov 9, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree with the OP 1000 percent Mcnabb is incrediby inconsistent….that is why this will be his last year as the Eagles starting QB unless we win the super bowl. Write it down….
by Gdog2009 on Nov 9, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Kolb is great!
Carving up the Chiefs defense so expertly was the work of a true craftsman. Their formidable 30th ranked passing defense features some staunch all-pros. With cornerbacks like Carr and Flowers, any offensive coordinator is going to really have to hit the film pretty hard to be able to get anything past those guys. It must truly be some ill-founded reverse racism pc nonsense that’s kept him off the field…Lurie and Banner really need to stop with this African-American outreach program they’re running with the QB position. Put the white guy in!
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 9, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being from Wisconsin, this kinda reminds me of what happened with Brett Favre. Just a strange thought that popped into my head.
by justyn725 on Nov 9, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
EvilBanner...The Nut.....
What’s with this ‘African-American outreach crap…….I guess the Jets did a White-American out reach program with Farve….lol. Or maybe the Giants need some kinda out reach program for their overrated QB too…lol. Farve may have the Superbowls….but I’m sure Greenbay is sorry they let him go now…..lol. We’ve had 10 great years with Donovan at QB…..our record against the Cowboys is better than anyone in the league. The team is still jelling….learning to play together. First year players and rookies at key positions. If we don’t make the playoffs….I may even think about the QB position. But to say that Lurie and Banner is running some kinda African-American outreach program just tells everyone where you head it at………………Here’s some toilet paper to wipe it off when you pull it out……….lol.
by Virgoman3 on Nov 9, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you ride McNabb til the wheels fall off ...
… he is who he is, and the Eagles are who they are because of it. That means we get balls thrown into the ground, inconsistent quarters, three-and-outs, but we also get the inverse of that … the plays he makes on the move, the fact that he knows the offense inside out, the times when he’s hot.
For everyone who thinks we just need a game manager to get the ball into the hands of our talented young players, I think McNabb is more than capable of doing that. Remember he’s barely had a chance to play with Maclin …
Thing is, McNabb is inconsistent from drive to drive, quarter to quarter, even week to week. But when he’s healthy over the course of the season, nobody this side of Brady or Peyton Manning has been more consistently good. You know exactly what you’re going to get from McNabb … a few stinkers, but a performance over the course of 16 games that is good enough to get your team into the playoffs if the rest of team plays well.
And anyone who watched the Giants get hot for the playoffs a few seasons ago knows that you need your quarterback and the rest of your team playing well at the right time. You could make a case for McNabb playing well enough to win in all three playoff games last season.
I understand those who think you sell while the value is still there; 98% of the time I agree with you. But I think better-than-average quarterback play is so hard to come by in the NFL that I’d rather go into next season (assuming this one doesn’t have some magical finish) with McNabb-Kolb-whoever than Kolb-whoever-whoever. You feel me?
This team is young enough to take several shots at winning a Super Bowl over the next four or five years. I would hate to go into a season with just Kolb, have him get hurt, and then give away a year of DJax/Celek/Maclin/Peters et. als prime because we let go of McNabb too soon.
That said, the Eagles’ FO has been nearly perfect at knowing when to let a player walk. I’ll get behind whatever their decision is. If I had to guess, it’s this season and one more for McNabb, even if we have to craft a weird contract extension to keep Kolb on before he becomes an FA.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Nov 9, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To clarify ...
… I think McNabb is good enough to win us a Super Bowl, and there aren’t many QBs who I’d rather have at the helm. Everybody’s a choker and not clutch until they win one. Nobody says Peyton Manning or A-Rod can’t win the big one anymore.
All the Eagles need — even this season — is to get into the playoffs, then play three or four good games in a row. Every team needs to do just that, so it’s not some thing only specific to the Eagles. If you want to argue that McNabb can’t string that many good games together, fine, that’s valid … but I think he can.
And I’d much rather go into a season where we have a shot with McNabb/Kolb than just Kolb.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Nov 9, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
valid point
yea I get what your saying. On average he is still a good to great quarterback. over the course of a season, yea he will have decent numbers and look pretty good at times. but when you get to the play offs, every game matters. Making it up the next game is not an option.
To win a super bowl we have to put together 3-4 wins in a row, and that would probably require 3-4 good performances by mcnabb in a row (it is the playoffs). Yea, I know he CAN do that, but given his previous couple years of work, statistically, do you really think that could happen?
Not trying to be a dick, I really just want an honest opinion from other people. What do you guys think the chances are of Mcnabb stringing together 4 good games in a row?
by Tbot86 on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Done It Every Season.....
If you remember last year, after Donovan was benched, he was nearly perfect for the rest of the season. We got our revenge on the Giants and destroyed Dalls in the last game of the season. And the season we had T.O., Donovan had one of his best seasons and we did make it to the Super Bowl. Also remember…..Elway was considered a loser until he won back to back Super Bowls late in his career.
by Virgoman3 on Nov 10, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Until the NFCCG
Not to debate whether or not he cost us the game. But he certainly was not perfect in the NFCCG. He pretty much did not start playing until the second half.
Thats my whole point, he hits some crazy streaks where he looks amazing, then he stumbles and its like the exact opposite where he cant hit a rb for a screen pass.
I have said elsewhere that I am not calling for his head. But if the season ends on another game where mcnabb takes the first half off, then I think I am ready to move on.
by Tbot86 on Nov 10, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely believe he can. Much more than I believe Kolb or Vick can.
I would say the chances are very good. He has done it often and with this offense he can easily do it.
by NOLACuse on Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully good
Because if the eagles want to make the playoffs those good games have to start next weekend in san diego.
by PhilsForever on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
mcnabb from an outsiders view
disclaimer: dallas fan
I’m a dallas fan, have been all my life. Dealt with the nonsense post-Aikman at the position until Romo.
My closest friend is a Giants fan (yuck). Anyway, he and I share an observation that I don’t think I’ve seen in this thread. McNabb as a QB doesn’t scare us, hasn’t ever. For many of the reasons I’ve seen above – whether it’s 10% or 25%, etc. of his passes are just inaccurate. It means that on an 8 play drive, with the Eagles propensity to pass, there are at least 1 or 2 two plays where McNabb will give you an INT possibility or waste a play with a wildly errant throw – frequently into the ground.
That said:
McNabb on broken plays when he’s being an athlete is a freaking nightmare. The scariest thing about the Eagles is missed sacks. You don’t tackle McNabb and let him out of the pocket, he’s a nightmare of a combo of running ability and throwing ability. From an outsider’s perspective, that’s what makes him so scary – if the Eagles can get 14 points off of those broken plays that McNabb makes (which BTW Manning and Brady and Rivers and Brees don’t ever make) then they’re a tough team to beat – they score 28 – 35 points. When that doesn’t happen, it seems the eagles score 17 – 20 points and they’re much easier to deal with.
As a side note: Romo makes those plays, but he goes through stretches where he throws too many INT’s. We’re in a stretch where that’s not happening now – who knows if we’ll stay there.
by berkokid on Nov 10, 2009 8:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good points. Good to hear from someone else that their QB can be streaky too.
by Clyde Simmons on Nov 10, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
berkokid’s post made me think…
when was the last time you saw McNabb escape the pocket and throw?
sometimes he’ll run for a few yards, but I can’t think of a single broken play this year where he threw from outside the pocket.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
but McNabb doesn’t make those plays anymore. Occasionally he’ll rely on his legs to get a few yards, maybe move the chains. But really, when was the last time he threw outside of the pocket?
Sometimes I swear he got sick of the “running QB” label, and became determined (to a fault) to prove he could be a pure pocket passer.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 10, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well ...
To me, McNabb had one real chance to make that play against Dallas – when Victor Butler tackled him by the foot in the 4th quarter – just barely. When Butler tackled McNabb and the eagles didn’t get a huge play there, that’s when all us Dallas fans relaxed, that was the game right there and we knew it – the Eagles weren’t going to win that game on a well constructed 10 play drive – they were gonna win it with a 40 yard play of sorts.
Again, that’s a perspective from an outsider. I don’t watch every eagles game so I can’t comment globally – it’s just my experience playing against mcnabb over the last 10 years or so.
Note – there was one other play that McNabb had a bunch of time on, Jackson broke free 30 yards down the field and had McNabb escaped the pocket to the outside, it was a TD. Again, on that play, Demarcus Ware got to him.
by berkokid on Nov 10, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it above, but I'll mention it again:
The last time he did was Sunday. He moved up into and out of the pocket, ran right, somehow kept his foot behind the LOS and lofted a nice pass to Celek for the TD.
by NOLACuse on Nov 11, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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