4th Quarter Comebacks
by Andrew B on Nov 22, 2009 11:35 PM EST
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PrintIts too bad that McNabb can't lead the Eagles on 4th Quarter comebacks, otherwise we'd be able to beat the Bears tonight.
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Ay dumbo, look who won
By less than six in the fourth
That 44-6 eagles cowboys game on Dec. 29/2008 was the best game i've ever seen
by maximdim on Nov 22, 2009 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
....uhhhhhhh
if you couldn’t catch the sarcasm in that post, you will never get internet sarcasm. It’s ok though, it is pretty tricky sometimes.
i bet that was DOUBLE SARCASM
"It's unfortunate that happened. That's no excuse. Absolutely no excuse."
-Andy Reid
meh...
Im sure this will sound like a typical McNabb hater comment. But, I dont think 4th quarter comebacks is a very good stat. I put alot more credit in the amount of successes of game winning drives in the last 4 mins.
While it was a 4th quarter comeback, the game winning drive started with like 10 minutes left in the game, not exactly a high pressure situation. If we have the same situation with 3 minutes left, I doubt we are celebrating right now.
With that said, I am happy with the win. I dont mean to dwell on McNabb issues, I just hate the opposing mcnabb camps, it seems that people either hate everything about him or unquestioningly support him. Mcnabb played ok, the fumbles certainly didnt help, but if cutler didnt suck balls I doubt we would have won this game.
True about Cutler
But that’s not on McNabb. He played very well outside the pick. That third down pass to Jackson in the face of the blitz was money.
I dunno, I really try be objective when I am judging a McNabb game performance, and I dont think he looked great. I think he was ok, not great but not bad. its just really frustrating to see all the innaccurate balls. There were several passes that were just terrible, and most of them werent effected by pressure, the line played pretty good today.
It just seems like he can only hit a reciever when they are standing still, or running straight down the field. There was one play, it was 2nd and 6, durring the td drive that avant scored on. Maclin ran a comeback route I believe, Mcnabb completely over threw him for no particular reason, there was no pressure, and no db was near maclin. Luckily we converted on third down.
And how many times a game do you see the recievers having to scoop the ball from there feet, or stop and reach behind them to catch a ball. Deseans best weapon is his elusiveness, if he has to stop to get a ball, he loses that weapon.
I am REALLY not trying to start the mcnabb argument again. I just dont think we should be satisfied with this type of performance, if the bears have a competent QB, we lose this game.
I know his stats look good, but I will not be satisfied until he can hit a wr in stride. This type of performance isnt going to cut it against the saints or vikings.
Please...
The man is completing 61 percent of his passes and has a 96 QB rating. He is playing with offensive skill players that are 21-24 years old and an inconsistent O-line. NO QB throws EVERY pass perfect EVERY game.He might not be the most accurate quarterback but he makes up for it with his elusiveness in the pocket that leads to great throws that only a handful of QBs could make. Stop having such high expectations and be grateful we have a quarterback of his caliber.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
+100 to route36
"It's unfortunate that happened. That's no excuse. Absolutely no excuse."
-Andy Reid
No
if your happy with losing in the playoffs every year than great for you. But, we should not have won this game.
If you want to say he gives us the best chance to win, thats fair, and probably true right now. But please dont exaggerate, I dont expect perfect passes every play.
I dont want to get petty, he played ok, he did enough to win the game. But the stats dont speak for the game. I cant say definitively how many shitty passes he had, but I would estimate about 5, I can remember 3 specifically. And there were several other bad but not terrible passes. There is also the bad decision making, like the sack he took on the busted screen play, just throw it away, your not outrunning DEs anymore.
I know it looks like I am jsut focusing on the negative. But, every time we win a game, all the mcnabb apostles come out and yell at everyone for doubting him. Why do I have to forget the bad games earlier in the season or ignore the one he might have next week because he played ok today ? I am just trying to be cautious. To say he played a great game would be a lie.
We both have our stances on this topic, we are not going to change each others minds, no point in continuing the argument. Glad for the win, and I hope to see more.
Great plan.
We’ll start flaccid-arm Kolb in the playoffs and get raped 38-7 as he throws 3 pick 6’s in clutchtime! Another successful season.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
oh and those young offensive skill players are universally agreed to be the best mcnabb has every had (as a whole I mean). So that argument isn’t really valid. I think he would be doing much worse with LJ, pinkston, and thrash.
You are right...
they are the best he has had. I’m not disputing their play making abilities. My point was that the players are VERY YOUNG and inexperienced with Mcnabb. Their timings are still not perfect and I don’t believe the full trust is there either. Give him some more time with them, then criticize him later if need be.
Right now, he should be free of any criticism.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
My whole point is not to be critisizing him, I just want to be cautious. I have seen this same set of events for the past 3 or 4 years.
I just dont think we should all just hold hand and praise jesus for giving us mcnabb. I am being cautious until he does this consistently.
its just annoying when every comes screaming because people dared to doubt the almighty mcnabb. I do really like the guy, but I dont care who is throwing the ball, as long as we win. This week, it was Mcnabb, but next week he could have another terrible game for no particular reason.
Lets just wait and see, I hope he can keep it up, but I dont have a whole lot of confidence.
its just annoying when every comes screaming because people dared to doubt the almighty mcnabb. I do really like the guy, but I dont care who is throwing the ball, as long as we win.
those are my thoughts exactly.
It’s also equally annoying when people jump back on the Mcnabb bandwagon when he leads us deep into playoffs.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
what mcnabb bandwagon?
I cheer for those that help the eagles win, and boo them when they contribute to the eagles losing. I don’t jump on or off of player’s bandwagon, because I am always cheering for the eagles as a team, not the individual players.
That was not directed at you...
That was more for the people that criticize Mcnabb for the silliest reasons even after a win. That was more for the Mcnabb “haters”. As soon as the Eagles are back in the playoffs and making a run, they all of a sudden forget they trashed him all season.
I know your stance on BGN, you are not the bandwagon type.
I will admit Mcnabb is my second favorite Eagle behind Westbrook but I don’t back him up when he has a bad game. I just want the win as well regardless of who the QB is. I just hate it when people criticize Mcnabb when he keeps us in contention EVERY year. Look at Tbot’s comments. We freakin’ won the game and he is mentioning Mcnabb’s 3 bad passes. THAT is what irritates me.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
so I am the bandwagon jumper then?
I love mcnabb, but I hate inconsistency.
You say he keeps us in contention? He played awful until he got benched. Why is that ok because he can rattle off some good wins. Then come to the NFCCG and take the first half off.
I want him to suceed, but how about we wait and see if he can keep doing it. After one game, all the sudden the bad games dont matter.
I was pointing out the TERRIBLE passes. He had plenty of bad passes that were caught, recievers consistently have to stop or reach behind them.
I just dont think he played amazing, he was off on several passes, but he wasnt awful. Why is that so offenseive?
I'm also not on any McNabb bandwagon
I cheer him and boo him as his performance dictates. My position is as inconsistent he is.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I just have to dispute that his O-line played well tonight...
They got it together at the end when it mattered but the Bears sacked McNabb quite a bit tonight and constantly had pressure in his face. It wasnt a great game but then again last week he threw for 450 yards and we lost. I just want Ws.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
We gave up 3 sacks today. its not amazing but its not like he got sacked 10 times.
I dont remember all three, but I do know the sack he took on the busted screen pass was his fault, some times he just needs to throw it away and he wont.
So it was really more like 2 sacks. I think the line was fine, he got pressured a few times, but thats football, the other team is going to get some pressure. McNabb wasnt running for his life on sunday.
Oline
the line was good at the start of the game, but when peters reagravated his ankle injury, the line/peters started to play worse.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Nov 23, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
if this was tom brady, peyton manning -
there would be ‘no question’ whether it was a comeback win or not – you actually have people on this message board who say ‘there was 10 minutes left,’ not exactly high pressure….
unbelievable.
They constantly shift the argument.
Leading the team on a go ahead drive in the 4th quarter was something people said he couldn’t do. Then, after he does it, they say that a true comeback drive only happens when there are fewer than 5 minutes left. If he does that they will say the drive wasn’t long enough or a true, true clutch comeback would be in the final 2 minutes. Whatever it takes to discredit what McNabb does (since they have already made up their minds).
Please dont lump me in with other people
dont stereotype me in with all the stupid fans out there. You disagree with me, thats fine, but I am not an idiot and I really dont appreciate being thrown in with the jackasses.
You disagree with me, then make a point, dont insult me.
The reason I lumped you in is that you sound very similar to many others.
I have seen claims that McNabb absolutely cannot engineer a comeback drive. He did that and one of the first things I see is your comment that it wasn’t really a comeback because it wasn’t late enough. So I assumed you were an argument shifter. My bad. However, I think it is a bit disingenuous to say it wasn’t a comeback drive. There was plenty pressure there given our close game issues this year as well as last year’s Chicago game probably in the back of his mind. Top it off with the pressure he added himself by saying this was a must win. Just because the clock wasn’t below 4:00 doesn’t mean it wasn’t a pressure situation and I’m not sure why you would want to discredit the drive.
Does it redeem the bad ones? No, but it answers a question that hadn’t been answered so far this year: Can this team actually win a close game?
As for inconsistency, his completion percentage was over 70%. Yea the wormballs look bad, but at the end of the day, most of his passes were caught and by a wide margin. I honestly believe Eagles fans think McNabb is more inconsistent than he is mostly because his bad passes look so horrid. All the top QBs throw some bad passes, but they aren’t always as obviously bad as McNabb’s. But a completion percentage of 70 for a game is very good, plain and simple. And a completion percentage over 60 for the season (so far) is also quite good, plain and simple. You can say there were plenty bad passes that had to be adjusted to, but we’ve had plenty drops in the last couple weeks on really well thrown balls too. I continue to stand by the opinion that I would much rather deal with 4 or 5 TERRIBLE passes that go unintercepted than have a Cutler/Delhomme type situation where nearly every TERRIBLE pass is intercepted.
Thank you for a rational argument
I think I came off a little dismissive. There was nothing wrong with the 4th quarter drive, it was well executed. My no pressure comment was solely based on time. There was very little time pressure, they did not have to adjust play calling or anything.
The reason the comeback drive was not awe inspiring was because thats what a good qb should do. Seems like people want to put this drive on a trophy case and let all the football fans behold the greatness of McNabbs game winning drive. It was a nice drive and it won the game, but we should expect that from our qb, not dance in the streets when he pulls one off.
Adressing your other points: 60% completion is average, he is ranked 15th in completeion. Not that I am complaining, just pointing it out.
LOL, and why are the only options 4 or 5 terrible passes, or 4 or 5 terrible intercepted passes? Id like to just not have that many terrible passes altogether :)
OK, true.
Not having 4 or 5 terrible passes would be nice. But until Manning or Brady is our starting QB I think we will have to deal. Even Brees tosses a couple bad ones every now and then. I really do think those very top guys are the only QBs who seemingly throw no bad passes or at least only throw a few for every three games.
I still think there was considerable pressure to deal with, but I do agree that the clock was not one of the pressures there. I don’t think I want to put the drive on a trophy case, but I am going to hold it as proof that McNabb is capable of doing it as that has been a knock against him. I never turn off a close game early thinking that the Eagles can’t drive to win or hold out an opponent because I honestly believe they can come through in those situations. That’s probably why these close games upset me so much. If I knew McNabb et al couldn’t get it done, I’d be reserved to the loss before it happened, but instead I sit, watch and pray that they do what I know they are capable of doing.
I don't hear the stereotypical argument you're creating
we have a terrible record in close games. To say that your QB is not ‘clutch’ when you constantly lose close games, is not really far-fetched. With that said, Donovan was good tonight…he drove us down the field, and we won the game! I’m one of the bigger McNabb critics, but he played well, I’m happy for a win, and I have no need to put an asterisk next to his performance
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
How many of those close games were lost by the defense?
I can think of 2 most recent ones. Chargers game when it looked like Mcnabb was going to lead another comeback and the greatest single handed comeback I have ever seen in the NFC Championship game last year. Cowboys game this year is somewhat of the defenses’ fault because they didn’t give Mcnabb that chance to comeback but offense wasn’t good the whole game either.
People need to understand that sometimes its the defenses fault as well, not just the QB.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
sure, I agree
but our record in close games is really AWFUL! I put a few on the defense…but last week was a whole different animal, yes, McNabb tried to get us back, and I loved him for it, but where was he for 2.5 quarters?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
well I say the same with mcnabb. Seems like the McNabb diehards wants to fault the defense.
I just want to take all the outside factors out of it. In the NFCCG he got the ball back with some time left, not a ton of time, but enough for a drive. We turned it over on downs, and he didnt look to good durring the drive.
yea theres a ton of factors in football, I just think its pretty obvious that he doesnt do the hurry up offense too well. I am not trying to roast the guy, I dont hate him, I am much more concerned about consistency than I am about his late game heroics. I would much rather seem him play well for all 4 quarters, then be an amazing comeback artist. If he did that more often, we would not need to come back in the last few minutes as much. But I think its pretty obvious he does not do well in the hurry up, with the game on the line.
good point
people want to point out the San Diego game where McNabb was bringing us back in the 4th. Great. WHERE WAS THE OFFENSE FOR 3 FREAKIN QUARTERS?!?!?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Defense
Where was it while the team was giving up 31 points?
Do they share any of the responsibility here, or is it all McNabb’s fault for not outscoring whatever the defense allows?
of course it’s a team game. Yes, I fault the defense for giving up 31 points…ABSOLUTELY! But I fault the offense (and especially McNabb as the captain of the offense, a responsibility which every QB shares) for getting into the redzone 3 times in 3 quarters and only putting up 9 points.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
An answer to that question...
Reid, who doesn’t believe in linebackers, believes that it the offense’s duty to outscore whatever the defense allows.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
yea defense got handled in the first half
but the offense could not stay on the field. The defense was getting worked, after they let up a TD, the offense comes out and puts up a 3 and out. I am not saying that the NFCCG was all mcnabbs fault, but the bottom line is a good quarterback cant take half a playoff game off. If we control the clock a little more, maybe the cardinals have one less td in the first half.
People want to praise mcnabb for bringing us back into that game, but its just not that simple. Durring that great comeback, the defense gave up one TD in the second half, and yea it was a critical, back breaking TD, but still one TD isnt bad in a half. Considering the type of numbers the cardinals offense was putting up.
I am fine with not arguing about the NFCCG anymore, i just dont think we should praise mtcnabb for bringing us back into the game, after he took the first half off.
You are right...
Peyton Manning took the first three quarters off vs the Pats in week 10. He also didn’t get praised after leading the comeback from down 31-14 in the 4th quarter.
Peyton Manning also had a 2 INT game on Sunday and won because of his defense. I don’t hear anyone criticizing him for stinking it up.
If you don’t like Mcnabb’s game, fine, but don’t give idiotic reasons like 3 bad passes in a victory, or leading a comeback when he took the first half “off”. If we go by your standards of how a QB should play, then God help the quarterbacks.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
Youve ignored what I said. He had 3 terrible passes, and several bad ones.
But thats not my point at all, I was just noting it.
My main point was just saying lets wait and see if he can keep doing it. I know he can have a good game, but can he have 4 or 5? I just dont think we should all get super excited for a decent game and 1 good fourth quarter comeback. Not to dismiss what he did, i just want to see what the season unfolds for us.
I am sorry I even brought it up, I havent been disrespectful and I think I have provided objective arguments. I dont understand why it is so upsetting.
I remember
in the 2007 season, when the eagles had no timeouts and like 20 seconds left in the 4th against the Giants at home, and then Donovan made 3 amazing throws and they stopped the clock with like 5 seconds left for Akers to kick a FG and he missed… and in 06 wen they lost to Tampa by a 62 yarder after they had just scored on a screen pass to Westbrook.. Donovan does make a few comebacks every year, but for some reason we usually end up losing..
That 44-6 eagles cowboys game on Dec. 29/2008 was the best game i've ever seen
maximdm, you forgot plenty but wonderful post
the bears game in 2007? McNabb TD to Matt Schobel with less than 5 minutes to play puts Eagles up 16-12. Then the D gives up the game-winning drive with 9 seconds left.
Comeback win aborted. (though the cynics blamed McNabb for not putting the game away earlier…)
Much like the Arizona game…Donovan’s fault for Curtis’ dropped pass on 4th down that hit him in the hands.
Who knows what would have happened?
I’m just saying, it takes a David Tyree to win games sometimes, Donovan can’t catch balls and make every single play when it counts. It’s just not realistic.
Tom Brady needed Kevin Faulk to catch EVERYTHING. Troy Brown…ditto.
Peyton Manning needed to be bailed out by his Defense in the Super Bowl – he played a lousy game.
GET REAL PEOPLE!!!!
by damonmoore43 on Nov 23, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Why does donovan get a pass for taking off the first half of the NFCCG. He looked like crap that first half. Maybe if he completes a few passes, then we dont need a game winning drive.
And you want to boil the final drive down to kurtis not catching the pass. He had plenty of terrible throws durring the drive, I remember westbrook had to dam near do a back flip to catch a screen pass.
Not trying to debate whether our skill players did enough to help mcnabb. But you make it sound like McNabb didnt do anything wrong on the final NFCCG drive, it was just the recievers who couldnt come up with a play. When really, he didnt look to sharp. Nobody can make plays if he is throwing the ball in the dirt.
donovan doesn't get a pass, lol
The D bent over in the first half, and McNabb did as well.
“…you make it sound like McNabb didn’t do anything wrong” haha – are we a little sensitive -
answer me this: why is it when I point out other people’s faults on the Birds, you and the other McNabb defecters always go back to “well, donovan did something wrong, too…” – as if you just can’t sleep at night without putting your two sense in about donovan…
are you offended when donovan does well? probably not. But to throw him in there ‘when things go wrong’ – usually ridiculously – just makes no sense to me…
by damonmoore43 on Nov 23, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
That doesnt sound like a rebuttal
Now you are just insulting me for doubting McNabb.
You pointed out the curtis play like it was the only play that happened on the drive. I am pointing out the bad passes by McNabb.
Yes I dwell on McNabb when it comes to 2 min drives. Hes the QUARTERBACK, it all goes threw him, he touches the ball every play. If he isnt playing well, then there is little chance a drive is going to succeed.
I am talking strictly about McNabb, i am not trying to debate what the other players did. Bottom line, McNabb did not look good in the final drive and it all starts with him.
why is it when I point out other people’s faults on the Birds, you and the other McNabb defecters always go back to "well, donovan did something wrong, too…"
I think you get that reaction because you’ve never criticized McNabb. I actually read through some of your recent comments to see if I was imagining things before I originally asked if you were a mcnabb fan. all of them were centered around the others letting down mcnabb. If you look through my history, I might blame mcnabb for throwing some bad passes, but I also criticize McCoy for having no clue how to carry a football, Marty for play-calling like a fool, the defense for getting burned, the O-Line for sucking (especially against the raiders), and everyone else on the team that has sucked at one point or another.
Point is…most of us here criticize the entire team. It’s not as though we can’t sleep at night if we don’t blame donovan- – it’s as though we blame who we see fit, and at times during a game, it’s donovan.
good reply
this guy is unreasonable
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
how is that unbelievable, if we dont get the TD there, we almost certainly get the ball back.
with 10 minutes left, you dont have to be in hurry up at all. You can just call normal plays. Thats what I mean by no pressure. They didnt have to run up to the line, throw side line passes, or spike the ball. There was almost no pressure at all, they called normal plays, the clock was not an issue.
I guess there was some confusion with my wording, I really meant there was no time related pressure. Because there wasnt… Sure we really wanted a score there, but it wasnt the last drive we would have had (most likely), I know a team could eat up 8 mins in a drive, but i dont think it would have happened in that game.
If there is 3 mins left in the game, we have to call completely different plays. So its not really the same as a comeback drive in the last few minutes.
are you an eagles fan or a mcnabb fan?
and I’m not trying to be an ass, it is a real question. If you’re a McNabb fan, then I’d understand why you root for the eagles but blame all the miscues on the rest of the team and ignore mcnabb’s faults. Again, it’s a real question. I’m not attacking you. there are mcnabb fans out there. I’m just trying to understand your undying loyalty to McNabb, even when it is at the expense of the rest of the team. For example:
Lesean fumbles
must be donovan’s fault…handoff shoulda been better…
LMFAO
I know after that play my first reaction was disappointment. My mind didn’t go straight to “that fumble wasn’t mcnabb’s fault” and my reaction definitely wasn’t to laugh in joy that someone else on the team besides mcnabb was to blame for a bad play.
I know I probably come off as an ass here, but I am really just asking an honest question.
This is the same way I feel
I think its a legitimate point. It seems like sometimes some people would be OK with an eagles loss as long as McNabb has a great game (not talking about the poster, just some fans in general), and they get to tell everyone that McNabb was never the problem, and we are stupid for ever doubting him.
An Eagles loss is never 'ok' or acceptable.
Bengals game. Terrible. Raiders game. Terrible.
McNabb has terrible games. And no one ever claims he’s Joe Montanna when he plays like Akili Smith.
I’ve never done that and never will. When he plays terrible, call him out.
But when I point out the ridiculous nature of the majority of the BGN posters who take unwarranted shots at him, deal with it.
You ’I’m a hardcore Eagles fan’ folks think you’re untouchable. That every criticism is somehow backed by your fanatical love for the team.
Newsflash: You can be an Eagles fan and also make realistic and sound criticisims of your team.
Just don’t be extreme, blame McNabb for everything and then hide behind your ‘fandom’ to justify it.
That doesn’t work.
And it never will…
by damonmoore43 on Nov 23, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t think I take unwarranted shots at him, nor do I think I hide behind “hardcore fanatical love for the team”. I criticize him when he plays poorly, but praise him when he plays well. I think I do that for the entire team. I may be seen as hypocritical because I do give some players passes sometimes. For example, when sheldon bit on the double move against dallas that sealed our fate, I was upset, but I couldn’t really harp on it too much. Sheldon rarely does that. You might think that I criticize mcnabb too much, and maybe I do. However, if he played consistently save one bad game a year, I would give him a pass much like I gave sheldon a pass against DAL. I have grown increasingly critical of him as his play has become more and more inconsistent.
Now that I know your stance (and why you defend mcnabb) I understand where you’re coming from. I’m sorry if I offended you, really wasn’t my goal.
Ummm
You say you are pointing out rediculous fans and I feel like I am doing the same thing. I was really not trying to debate whether or not mcnabb will continue to play well, we simply will not know for a few weeks.
My point was, after one game you want to jump down everyones throat who ever doubted him.
Why does having one decent game suddenly redeem him? Yea, he had a 4th quarter game winning drive, but you make it sound like all the sudden he is fine at late game drives. It was a good drive, but be realistic, he is simply not a clutch quarterback, I have accepted that years ago and it doesnt kill me as much as one would think, he does other things well. I just think people are kidding themselves if they want to say he is fine in 2 min drives.
Getting off topic, I just want people to relax. if he can put together some more good games, then awesome. But right now, its one game, I really hope he can keep it up, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
way to not respond to the post, haha
no one’s ‘gettin ahead of ourselves’ – Donovan doesn’t have 200 game-winning drives. He doesn’t.
This ‘clutch/not clutch’ stuff is just all kinds of bad though.
It’s a term pushed by the mainstream media and brainwashes folks. It’s a shame.
David Tyree people, David Tyree. That has nothing to do with Eli Manning being clutch. Nothing. Zero.
If Curtis catches the 4th down pass, extends the drive—McNabb is ‘clutch’ all of a sudden? it just makes no sense.
Clutch is completely cliched and overused. – almost like saying QB’s have ‘poise,’ -
It applies to some QB’s, some moments – but the football heads need to stop masturbating to it…
by damonmoore43 on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
clutch is kinda a silly term. I think some QBs you can legitimately say are clutch regardless of supporting cast (aka, tom brady) but the majority that get the title really don’t deserve it.
Overall, I really do like mcnabb. I just wish he’d be more consistent. And as Tbot said…I really don’t care who is back there throwing, so long as we win. When “good” McNabb shows up, we have a great chance of winning. However, when “bad” McNabb shows up, our chance of winning goes down drastically.
How bout you stick to a logical argument
And stop trying to insult others, I am not insulting you.
I am not debating Eli. But, “clutch” does exist. Tom brady and peyton manning are “Clutch”. Mcnabb isnt, I dont think many people would disagree with that statement.
You are pointing out a lucky play by tyree. But what about all the amazing end of game drives Brady and Peyton have had. I assure you, they dont need lucky plays for the majority of them.
Theres no point in continuing this, we disagree, just leave it be.
Lucky plays
But what about all the amazing end of game drives Brady and Peyton have had. I assure you, they dont need lucky plays for the majority of them.
Are you sure about that? I mean, how many of these comeback wins did you actually watch? How many losses of their have you watched, where these two blew it in the end?
Tom Brady’s most memorable comeback wins definitely relied upon luck – Tuck Rule game, the 2003 Super Bowl kick off out of bounds, etc.
Andrew B...
Good post. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are outstanding, spectacular HOF QB’s…
But to act like they exist on the field by themselves…and to act like that plays like ‘David Tyree’ or ‘Tuck Rule’ or any other number of plays don’t ‘help’ them…is just ridiculous
by damonmoore43 on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
if you want to...
criticize the team for this win(boy, that sounds kinda funny) then McNabb really is not the one to criticize, he played well aside from the pick, criticize the defensive secondary and the linebackers(aside from “spoon”) and maybe the special teams coverage, but to criticize McNabb just seems silly after this game
Since I pretty much started this I will respond
I wasnt really criticizing him for the game. I said he threw some bad balls, but he didnt play bad. I just dont think he played great…just sounded to me that people were saying he played great, I didnt see it, I am sorry if I am wrong.
But my point behind all this was to just wait and see. It just seems like we should just forget previous bad performances because we won today. Is it ok if we lose next week because we won on sunday?
It just seems crazy to me the way people go nuts about how bad he is when we lose, but when we win its all good.
But when we win it is all good.
Isn’t that the idea? When we lose the message is very clearly “What have you done for me lately?” So it shouldn’t be the same when we win? Did he have an excellent game? No. But it was a good game. A solid game. It seems to me that’s what everyone has been clamoring for. So should we forget the bad games? In a sense, yes. There are plenty here who seem content to demand that his good games be forgotten after a loss because those days are behind him and he is nothing but inconsistent now (not saying you believe this, but the sentiment seems to exist), so why shouldn’t the opposite be true?
I am happy for the win, i love it. what I am arguing for is patience, thats all. If we could get the same performance we got last night, at every game. I would be content. And thats why we have to wait and see, maybe he can turn it around and start being more consistent, I hope he does.
I am sorry for causing drama, it just seems that the diehard mcnabb fans want to take last nights game and shove it in everyones face. Theres no point to that, I know mcnabb can be amazing, I also know he can suck. Id like to meet somewhere in the middle and see it happen on a regular basis. But one game is not vindication.
umm didnt McNabb lead a 4th quarter comeback???
not sure but it damn well looks like it.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
unfortunatly youve had that post ready to go but couldnt post it in the last 2 years
by rainvillefromottawa on Nov 23, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions
Cataldi is a HUGE dumbass
He praises the team when they win and lambasts them when they lose..yeah great objectionable analysis Cataldi — anyone can do that
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
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