Is Jason Peters as Bad as He Looks?
by SaxManNate on Nov 2, 2009 11:41 AM EST
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When the Birds first picked up Peters, I was excited at the potential, mostly because our coach seemed so pumped about the pickup. However, I, like so many of us, had some nagging worries based on his stats and overall play last year.
This year, it seems like there is a play or two every game in which he is either lost, slow, or just completely off. Perhaps I am being too harsh, but when we pay a guy that much money and hedge our bets on him, I expect more.
The excuse that keeps getting thrown out there by announcers is the fact that he is "new to the team." Well, folks, we are seven games in! At what point does new where off? Is he just a slow learner, or a bust?
What do y'all think?
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i dunno
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He reminds me of a young Flozell Adams
He has everything that it takes to be the top player in his position, but as Bill Parcells said he’s a Saint Bernard and he needed a baseball bat to help him get his points across.
They seem to lose their focus at the worse posible times, Flo wasn’t capable to pass that hurdle, Peters hasn’t yet.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Nov 2, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can think of 2 plays...
The Osi sack/fumble this week, and the Andre Carter sack/fumble last week. But that’s pretty much it. Otherwise he’s been great.
It’s not easy being an LT in the NFL when…
- You’re new to a team and have to learn a new style of pass blocking, a new offense, and new teammates.
- The starting LG has been out all season, and you’re trying to get on the same page with a backup while picking up some of their slack.
- You’re one of only 2 starting OL that has remained healthy, and have therefore had virtually no opportunity to develop any kind of legitimate continuity.
- You get no help whatsoever… NONE… because the RB’s and TE’s are almost solely helping on the right side of the line.
- Your responsibilities so far have included Julius Peppers, Will Smith, Richard Seymour, Andre Carter, and Osi Umenyiora.
- Your team passes 65% of the time, and the defense knows it.
So let’s stop with any Peters bashing simply because a great player (Osi Umenyiora) got the best of Peters yesterday on one play.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Nov 2, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Hey Bye Dawk......AMEN
…+1 my friend!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Nov 2, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I basically agree with you but
it wasn’t that he got beat on one play, it is that even on plays where he doesn’t get beat, he sometimes looks like he doesn’t know the game has started. I mean he looks completely lost on some plays, like he just woke up from a nap and is looking around to see if he recognizes anything. I mean on some plays you can see him moving around with a nimbleness that would make you think he is a linebacker or something. Earlier this year I saw him seal off the entire D line and then take out 2 LBs as well.
I think it is just frustration ‘cause we can all see the talent and I truly think he will get back to being one of the elite LT’s in the league. But you know we will take head’s up smart football with heart and a big dose of Nasty over a multimilliondollar primadonna liability. Which I have to say, I don’t believe he really is. I think he will be huge in the stretch run as he and Herremens begin to overwhelm opponents.
by madderwulf on Nov 2, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Herremans being out for as long as he has been can’t be overstated. The difference in the o-line from the oakland game, to the redskins game, to the giants game has been really stunning to watch. In the Oakland game, the left side couldn’t stand up to save its life. In the Redskins game, that left side was better but was definitely getting pushed back time and again. Herremans was gassed by the end of it. But in the Giants game, it was pretty clear that Herremans and Peters were starting to find a groove. With some more practice time and another game under their belts, Herremans and Peters should only improve. At least, thats my hope.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Nov 2, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I think not having a consistent starting lineup is one of the biggest issues. An Oline needs awhile to gel with each other and be on the same page before they can play well, and due to injury our oline happened to go through more changes than dan klecko did positions.
by Bo Jangles on Nov 2, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is why bye Dawk
Is the man
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Nov 2, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BYE, DAWWWK
I want my post to be green, too. =(
That will officially be my goal here at BGN- Make a post that’ll be green.
by LegendKnight22 on Nov 2, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Think of it like this
When we signed Asante last year, we expected the perfect corner who would never allow anything in the secondary. We finished with a modest pass defense with Asante having only 4 ints (his lowest total since 2005). This year (after spending some time in the scheme) he is 3rd in league in INTs (1st among CBs) and we are currently second in the league in team INTs.
by macjack09 on Nov 2, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
100% Agreed
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
by Realtalk32 on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peters will be fine
He even had a few plays yesterday where he got beaten and still managed to get a block around. He’s that athletic.
Once he learns the intricacies of the scheme, he will be better then fine. He’ll be outstanding.
by cwel87 on Nov 2, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not saying its all peters but when you consider how well we ran the ball/ protected Donovan this week vs what happened when we played without him at Oakland you have to consider that his presence is quite important to the team and had something to do with the difference. he might have gotten beat by osi/tuck a few obvious times this week but you cant argue that they arnt two of the best in the league. as he gets better in the scheme and we get to have him play with the same o-line for a few weeks in a row (dont forget this was only his second game with herremans next to him) he will hopefully get better and better.
by zbelair on Nov 2, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well compare it to king dunlap vs. jason peters in the game…especially the oakland game. then appreciate how good peters is
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Nov 2, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He is if you don’t know what you’re looking at or only rely on one play to make an overall summary of his performance.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Nov 2, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow
what a stupid post .. peters is an allpro tackle .. his main stength is run blocking .. hes an average pass blocker .. but if u run behind him hes one of the best in football ..learn before u start bashing a stud tackle
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 2, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I said, minus the slander :-P
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by EagleGreeninMD on Nov 3, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
chill...
The guy gave up ONE sack to one of the best pass rushers in the league. You don’t think Tre gave up some sacks ? And Peters is a beast in the run game…not to mention the one sack he gave up he went and recovered the Mcnabb fumble. A heads up play. each week I think Peters gets better…I am happy with him
by Gdog2009 on Nov 2, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Offensive tackles are usually judged unfairly in my opinion. An offense will usually average about 60 (more or less) snaps per game. The guy can be great on 59 of those plays but on the one play when he surrenders a sack, people are inclined to say he didn’t play well. People need to remember that the defensive end on the other side of the ball gets paid to play too. Even the very best tackles don’t win every battle, every play.
by captainmike011 on Nov 2, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's good.
He needs adjusting to a new team.
On a brighter note, his run-blocking is magnificent
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
by Igglesfan13 on Nov 2, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On that hold he was called for...
…he saved McNabb’s ass from a brutal sacking and probably kept the Giants D from turning the momentum early in the game. I think it was in the first quarter. It was a ‘good’ penalty. Well thought out – even if he was getting beat at the time. I think the guy is smart and will settle into being stalwart.
by IggleGreen on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't even that blatant of a hold
And he was hardly beaten on that play. I really do feel that if he had released his hands a split second earlier, it would not have been a hold.
by Livingonapear on Nov 3, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but he did hold the guy and protected his QB in the process.
The guy had a straight shot to McNabb – who is still technically injured. It was a righteous hold.
Kind of reminds me of the end of every Scooby Doo episode: “It was a good plan, and I woulda gotten away with it, if it wasn’t for that meddling ref kids…”
by IggleGreen on Nov 3, 2009 6:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
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by EagleGreeninMD on Nov 3, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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