The 2010 Draft
I'm well prepared for the hordes of people telling me that it's too early to think about the draft and that we need to focus on the season. Well, you know what, guys? Thinking about the upcoming draft is fun and almost all of us are doing it anyway.
I'm quite interested in where the Eagles are going to go this year. Lots of the buzz on ESPN, (for whatever amount of consideration we want to give those folks,) seems to indicate that they think Andy will trade out of the 1st round again. In that case, we'll be likely to have a high number of later picks, and I'm interested in seeing what happens.
Another consideration, of course, is whether the Birds will be able to get any picks for Michael Vick if they don't keep him around.
I'm going to discuss some of my thoughts about the draft, and I'm anxious for you all to weigh in with your perspectives, predictions, and comments. Without further ado, here are some things that I think we might see happen this draft, which is supposedly going to be very deep in talent due to the whole CBA situation:
Get Trent an Opposite Number: DE
The most recent DE drafted "high" by the Birds was of course Bryan Smith in 2008's third round; well, we all know how that turned out. Others, recently? Well, there was Andrew Studebaker in 2008's sixth round, (he plays for the Chiefs as a LB now,) Abiamiri in 2007's second round, Trent in the fifth round of 2005, McDougle in the first round of 2003, and Jamaal Green in the fourth round of 2003. As you can tell, we haven't exactly done well.
A lot of people like Jason Babin, some people think Abiamiri can emerge if he can stay healthy, and a lot of people say the Eagles need another playmaking DE to shore up our 4-man pass rush. (Most of the people from this school like to announce that they've been saying this for years now.)
As for me, I don't think Abiamykneeshurt will ever get truly healthy. I like Babin a lot, and think he should get more opportunities over the course of this season. If he turns into a monster, great. But I am of the school of thought that we need someone who can take all those double-teams off of Cole. We're strong with Cole, and Bunk and Patterson are a great tandem. I think that with a real stud opposite Trent we could have a pretty nasty D-Line.
Okay, Enough Already: LB
Let's face it: with all of our injuries and the loss of Big Stew, our LB core is in serious, serious trouble. A lot of folks seem to think that it's a no-brainer that we need to draft a LB high but I think this is a stickier situation than people are realizing.
Almost everything, of course, depends on whether Stew shows up as his old self next season. But, if you listened to Ingram talk about Bradley's rehab on that piece on PE.com, it sounds as though things are going well. (Of course, Ingram wasn't likely to say anything different.) However, Ingram seemed pretty sincere to me.
If Bradley seems good to go, and with the emergence of Akeem Jordan, what we have left is the SAM position, currently filled by the much-maligned Chris Gocong. I'm not a Gocong-hater; I provisionally accept the arguments that in the Eagles' defense, he plays a lot of important roles that are hard to see. Also, the Birds seem really high on Fokou, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the mix for a long time, assuming he can learn that football has rules, and when you break them blatantly you will get penalties called on you. I personally think that Fokou looks like more of a 4-3 WILL than a 4-3 SAM but I work in Advertising and not in the NFL.
As much as we've loved to whine about the LBs recently, I'd be a little surprised to see Reid go after a 'Backer early, unless he's a lot less satisfied with his LBs than he seems to let on. The other question, of course, is what we're going to do with Will Witherspoon when Bradley comes back...
...And Justice For All: OT
Are you someone who believes that Shawn "Mama I'm a Rock Star" Andrews will be playing for the Birds again next season? I'm not. One of the few good stories from this season has been this one: "Well, it turns out that Winston Justice is a totally competent offensive tackle." People seem to think he's better in pass pro than in the run game, but it's been hard not to see that he's developing. Of course, new CBA or no new CBA, he'll be up for a new contract soon, and God knows what will happen with that.
Are we satisfied with Justice? He's been doing just fine but he doesn't look to me like he's going to the Pro Bowl anytime soon. We also, of course, know that Andy Reid likes stockpiling offensive linemen almost as much as he likes cheeseburgers.
I think OT is a possible pick next year, but probably not until the later rounds. I think, from left to right, that 4/5ths of our O-Line will read Peters-Herremans-Jackson-Andrews for a long time. The question is what we do with Justice and that RT position.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to submit that I want King Dunlap to lose some weight, go play basketball, and never step on an NFL field again. Not even for another team. I really do think he's that bad.
Arghh Blargh Dawkins Blargh: S
Oh boy. Okay. Here we go. I'm writing this to address the camp that likes to make arguments that usually go something like this:
DAWKINS WAS THE ENFORCER WE HAVE NO PLAYMAKERS IN THE SECONDARY WEAPON X WOLVERINE BRING BACK DAWKINS LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP NOW GET ME MY SIX-PACK OF PBR
In case these gentlemen haven't noticed, the Eagles' coaches really, really like Macho Harris. They'll tell you that he's fast, physical, plays hard, and just needs more time to acclimate to one of the most complex defenses in the NFL. I'll go on the record here: I believe them. I've spent a lot of time watching film of him in games and in the pre-season, and I think that once he gets comfortable, he's going to bring the heat as FS. Basically, anybody that gets an unsolicited and ringing endorsement about toughness and physicality from Sheldon Brown gets credit in my books.
I think Jones is the stopgap until Macho gets his confidence up, and that it will then be Macho and Mikell for some time.
It Might Just Be That Time: RB
I hate saying this but I feel that I have to. Brian Westbrook's career is probably over. He might be the best RB in Eagles history, and he certainly helped redefine the role of the receiving RB in the NFL. But, after all of this stuff with his brain, I don't want to see him injure himself for life trying to play the game of football. I'd bet that BWest goes on IR pretty soon.
I think (Christ, I hope,) that we're going to see more of Eldra Buckley from here on out, and there's still that slightly mysterious pickup of P.J. Hill. If either of those guys turn out to be a legitimate hard-nosed, hard-running RB, maybe the Birds don't draft there this upcoming year. Of course, we'd all like to see Andy establish something resembling a consistent and aggressive between-the-tackles running game, but don't bet the rent on that one.
An exciting RB pick isn't something I'm anticipating from the Birds next year, but it's something to keep an eye on. Let's all start collectively praying that they keep Leonard Weaver around. Seriously.
The State of Our Union:
Talent-wise, I actually think the Birds are pretty well set up. I'm excited to have Ingram and Bradley back next year, I think our first three corners will stay consistent, and Celek, Maclin, and DJax will be locks for a while. I bet Andy lets a lot of picks in 2010 go for more picks later, so the selections we will have will be even more interesting.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, weigh in. Let's do the Birds a favor and figure out their drafting strategy for them.
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good post. i think as time goes on we are going to see more of jason babin. i’m surprised he isn’t on the field more than he is. i like macho harris, but i like sean jones more. i think harris will eventually get the starting role, but you are definitely right. the guy has confidence issues. nothing wrong with that however. the guy didn’t do a whole lot wrong when he was starting. another year or two and he’ll be comfortable enough to try and make plays and not so concerned with getting beat. we could possibly try and move up after a safety, but i see us taking linebacker first. bradley might not be the same guy after the knee injury. let’s hope otherwise. here is the way i think we’ll draft.
1. SLB
2. LT (no way queen dunlap sticks around after this year)
3. S
4. RB
5. RG
6. RT
7. K
8*******CB
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
by snowhill82 on Nov 18, 2009 3:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
So you don’t think the Birds will chase a DE? I agree about Jones right now. I think his veteran presence in the secondary will help. You’re right; I agree that there’s nothing wrong with Macho being afraid to screw up and give up the big play. Some time will help him get comfortable.
I’m afraid Bradley will never be the same too. I hope to God I’m wrong.
by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no...i'm fairly certain we're happy with what we have.
but i’ve been wrong before. we know andy loves drafting defensive ends.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
by snowhill82 on Nov 18, 2009 4:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are alot of talented linebacker in this draft
So we most likely wont need to get one in the first round. There are alot of late round gems.
by macjack09 on Nov 18, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Micha Johnson and Lindley from Kentucky...
look em up. Johnson’s fucking massive and if we draft him he instantly starts at MLB… Then bradley moves to SLB…
Or Johnson just plays SLB and we move gocong in both scenerio’s to LDE.
Safety will be fine Jones is coming along, he should be resigned and Macho should back up.
LT? no way, more like a RT, we just need to find someone who can throw down with the NFC’s pass rushing ends(god know’s he wont have to run block but every 20 plays or so)
RG is fine, Cole/max can handle that
Kicker is a major need after this year if Akers drops off late in the season.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 19, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we need to take another RT?
Didn’t we just draft Tupou? Or is that another wasted OL pick. Have enough of those
by DLawrence on Nov 20, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tupou? I havent heard that name since april...
we need to take a RT high.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 20, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess that answers my "wasted pick" question
by DLawrence on Nov 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I think AR
stocks up to many picks… I think when he gets that many he needs to use them to move up and get bonafide talent.. The talent at the top of last draft was the real deal, and this year some super stars are coming out and we need to snag a few of em.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 20, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have Justice, Stacey Andrews and Todd Herremans capable of playing RT. No need to waste a high pick on that position.
Not too keen on a 6’2" 260lb LDE either, rather just keep him as a reserve at both DE and LB than start him at LDE.
by Cormican on Nov 25, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tupou?
He was drafted somewhere in the rounds 5-7
by Bo Jangles on Nov 21, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DT will probably be something Andy tries for again
Laws is at or already a bust having been inactive/not seen the field in some games if I’m not mistaken. Having a solid third guy to help Bunk and Patterson is obviously high on Andy’s list if you look at where he’s been willing to draft DTs in the past.
by Smallbugger on Nov 18, 2009 4:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That might be a tad harsh...
I really don’t think it’s time to call Laws a bust. He’s had some good games and some not good games this year. A lot of the times when he’s been left inactive in favor of Dixon were because Dixon’s a big heavy dude who helps stuff the run.
I agree that I’d like to see more big plays from Laws but I wouldn’t reach for the “bust” label yet.
by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 5:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact,
Dixon is our heaviest DT by almost 20 pounds.
by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 5:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dixon has been somewhat productive
at least for a guy who sees time as a backup to two of the league’s most consistent Defensive Tackles
Cody Benjamin
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by kingmcnabb5 on Nov 18, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not a bust yet
But He’s a 2nd round pick that doesn’t do much as a pass rusher and is being put inactive for a guy who’s a better run stopper?
He’s on the roster and is owed probably a good amount of cash still. So chances are he’s going to stay around, but I still could see Andy going top 3 rounds on another DT if he likes someone.
by Smallbugger on Nov 18, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy sure might...
If this draft is as deep as everybody’s saying, we might find some real talent in a later round. Maybe bringing in some new blood would light a fire under Laws.
by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the NFL owing someone a lot of cash is a relative term. I think he’s a bust and I think Eagles go DT at some point early in the draft.
by Cormican on Nov 25, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either OL or DE
Can never have too many stud lineman.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 18, 2009 7:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
DAWKINS WAS THE ENFORCER WE HAVE NO PLAYMAKERS IN THE SECONDARY WEAPON X WOLVERINE BRING BACK DAWKINS LEADERSHIP LEADERSHIP NOW GET ME MY SIX-PACK OF PBR
ROFL
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by 700 Level on Nov 18, 2009 8:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did I sum it up accurately?
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what you will about the Dawkins camp (where I happen to be firmly entrenched)...
…and I certainly don’t want to start a big thing here, but ask yourself this very simple yes or no question….
If Dawkins is on this roster right now, is this a better defense?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Nov 18, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
It’s a good question, and I am a huge Dawk fan. My quarrel is with people who seem to assume that the only problem our D is having is that Dawk isn’t here. It’s shortsighted and ignores more immediate and significant issues with our defense.
Dawk is a great player, and he’s a highlight reel waiting to happen. However, there’s no doubt that he’s become a serious liability in coverage. JJ (R.I.P.) seemed to be getting around that by playing a lot of 3-safety looks and keeping Dawk closer to the line of scrimmage. Which was a good idea. Would having Dawk here right now make this defense better? It might. It might not.
But again, please remember that that comment was in reference to the lunkheads who think that Dawk’s absence is the only issue, not the people (read: everybody) who love Dawkins.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Although I think Dawk could make an impression on the D, unforunately we have problems with our CBs and our LBs… so he could make an impact, but I don’t think it would be big enough.
Gotta love BDawk though, he’s definitely still missed.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
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by Eaglesgrl5 on Nov 18, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, and he adds to your D more than one man because he makes your young guys better.
Dallas use to bring Bill Bates off the bench to play LB in the nickle. Hawkins was stronger than him. He could cover RBs and blitz. Then go back to S on your regular D. Many Boys fans tried to tell you how much you would miss this guy because how much we miss Woodson. He actually made thong Williams look decent when he was back there. Hopefully(well maybe not) your team will pull the trigger on a S in the early rounds instead of trying to make chickensalad out of chickenshit.
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by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our defensive struggles are more tied to our excessive linebacker issues/injuries than a single safety.
Macho Harris and Sean Jones have filled in fine as far as stats go. People can argue leadership but I remember some pretty horrendous defensive let downs last year and in 2007 under Dawkins watch.
I love Brian Dawkins and I don’t like mitigating his presence in green to prove points but he wasn’t our entire team.
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by Whodie126 on Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Mays from USC is a monster safety… I’d take him!
by Tech Se7en on Nov 18, 2009 8:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Taylor Mays
Will be long, long gone by the time the Eagles draft. He’ll go in the top half of the first round for sure.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
taylor mays talks the talk, eric berry walks the walk
by dt3 on Nov 18, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup...
I’ll take Berry over Mays in a heartbeat. Berry might go Top 5.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Nov 18, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take either.
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by Smitty2K3 on Nov 18, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mays?
I don’t know. I watch a fair share of USC games (I’m in San Diego) and Mays has been quite iffy at coverage. He’s been biting on a lot of double-moves and QB fakes recently. Well in the middle of the season anyways. I haven’t been watching too much of USC games lately. Mays is a physical beast though.
by chrisbeomsuh on Nov 18, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
It’s all academic, because the Birds won’t be drafting that high.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah definitely
But I feel like his stock is going to drop a bit this year because of his suspect coverage in the passing game. But still, his run support is very strong and the dude can just flat out fly on the field out there. His speed at his physique is just mind-blowing. Maybe he’ll fall to late first round? Who knows? Strangers things have happened before.
by chrisbeomsuh on Nov 18, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's actually
A fair amount of discussion as to whether he’ll get moved to LB in the NFL, or play as a really aggressive Strong Safety, sort of like Dawk does.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like him as a super aggressive strong safety
Especially if a coach can improve his coverage skills. That would be the best way to utilize his size and speed. I think he was hyped up too much last year for a safety with limited skill set but he would certainly be worth the gamble, especially if he fell to late first (which I don’t think will happen). If he can improve, then well… look out.
by chrisbeomsuh on Nov 18, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prioritize our needs in this order...
First round worthy positions…
OL (anywhere) – Did we think before the season we had plenty of depth along the OL? Yup. Fact is, you never have enough OL depth. I think Andy rightfully gets back to his first love – big beefy guys along the OL, early and often.
CB – Age is creeping up on Sheldon Brown, and Ellis Hobbs may never be the same. This is a passing league now, and you need a ton of depth at CB.
RB – Even if Westbrook is physically able to play next season, he’s set to make $11 million. The Eagles won’t pay that, and Westbrook, after 2 serious concussions, won’t be taking discounts. He may have played his last game in Philly. McCoy looks like a legitimate playmaker, but you simply need 2 RB’s in the NFL.
DE – How long can we wait around for Abiamiri to show up every Sunday? Plus, Parker and Howard are on the wrong side of 30. Someone special will still have to be sitting there for the Eagles to go that route in the 1st round though.
Other needs in later rounds
QB – Vick will likely be gone after this season, and McNabb might be gone after 2010. They’ll start to groom a backup for Kolb.
LB – I’m not so sure this is a glaring need. The 3-some of Witherspoon, Bradley, and Jordan sounds pretty good to me. Gocong is FA after this season, as is Gaither. Do they sign one for depth? I don’t know. My best guess is Gocong stays if they can keep him for a reasonable cost, and Gaither is gone. Plus, the penalties in the Dallas game aside, I like what I’ve seen out of Fokou so far (12 tackles vs SD). Will they draft a LB? In all likelihood yes, but don’t expect it to be a high pick.
DT – I don’t see it as a big, glaring need, but it’s another position where you can never have enough depth.
WR – Sounds stupid, right? Well, we currently have 4 healthy WR’s (Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Brown). We’re stuck with Brown for a while, but Kevin Curtis is set to make $5 million next year – He’s gone. By sheer numbers, they’ll need to draft a WR.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Nov 18, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Solid Analysis
Regarding our LBs, where do you put Witherspoon? Are you planning to move Bradley to SAM and leave Spoon in the middle?
Great point about Howard and JP getting older. I really think we need more out of our DEs. Watching our lack of 4-man pass rush from really frustrates me at times.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis Hobbs is only signed for one year anyways
so we’re probably going to draft another guy to compete for that 4th CB spot
That 44-6 eagles cowboys game on Dec. 29/2008 was the best game i've ever seen
by maximdim on Nov 18, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Witherspoon
I really hope we keep him, but based on our history of free agent linebackers I’m afraid he will be a one year fill in for us.
by AZ Eagle on Nov 18, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think CB is at the top of the Eagles wish list
Andy likes to take late round gambles on O-linemen.
Nice write up.
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by grover on Nov 18, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
im thinking DT .. DE .. or TE
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 18, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TE?
The Eagles will draft a TE with Ingram coming back?
Why do you think so?
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by DSmith215 on Nov 19, 2009 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ingram
ingram was my boy .. but if ur counting on a guy coming off back to back serious injurys on the same part of body thats idiotic .. theres a good chance he never plays here .. he could be cut .. he could be on IR again .. i have much more faith in sean andrews bein able to come back than ingram ..and that was my boy and i was the one calling for us to steal him in round 5 .. but he got hurt and its a shame
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 19, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much right on
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Nov 19, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that it matters.
First of all, the fact that we’re discussing the draft in the middle of the season IS a referendum on Reid. Second, I have no faith in Reid/Banner to make the right decision regarding picks. That being said, we need pass rushers. We also need a stud every down running back. We also need a head coach, but I don’t think they come in the draft…
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 18, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm...
So you don’t buy the belief that the every-down back has gone the way of the dinosaur and that every NFL team needs at least two complimentary RBs now?
I’m intrigued. Fill me in.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 18, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maurice Jones-Drew...
…Adrian Peterson, DeAngelo Williams, Chris Johnson, Frank Gore…yeah, I guess you could say that I don’t buy the belief.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 18, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DeAngelo Williams has Jonathan Stewart, Frank Gore has Glen Coffee, hell, even Adrian Peterson has Chester Taylor.
And up until this year, MJD had Fred Taylor and Chris Johnson had LenDale White.
Can RB’s put up big yards without a 2 behind them for a few years these days? Sure. they can. Is it a good idea? Not if you want any kind of longevity out of your back.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Nov 18, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Bye Dawk...
I did not say that we did not need a complementary back. I am a huge Weaver fan. What I am saying is that we could benefit from a stud every down back…if we get rid of Reid and his ridiculous philosophy regarding the run.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Nov 18, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
glen coffee
glen coffee aint no compliment at all .. gore is the whole cup .. and coffee is just the sugar .. except san fran drinks their coffee black
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 18, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the number of analogies
made my brain hurt
RIP JJ & HK
Just fucking win. (as said by LegendKnight22)
by BadCo'09 on Nov 19, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what
it was pretty easy to understand lol
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 19, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no i understood it perfectly
and agree, coffee is insurance incase gore goes down, like he did earlier this season
that was my failed attempt tipping my hat to a good analogy that had the word coffee relate to coffee in an unrelated to coffee way
RIP JJ & HK
Just fucking win. (as said by LegendKnight22)
by BadCo'09 on Nov 19, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
ya but he doesnt get much work when gores healthy .. gore is one of the few feature backs along with steven jackson .. and maybe cedric benson and forte .. thats about it
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 20, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we could benefit?
What’s your argument there? What team wouldn’t ‘benefit’ from a nasty rb? But Mccoy was drafted too high and is too good to sit on the sideline and never see the ball. Plus with our shitty run blocking and Reid/Marty c alling the plays a big time rb just wouldn’t make as much sense for this team
by Bo Jangles on Nov 21, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We've been over this before, but I just don't understand how of all the problems you have with Reid/Banner drafting is one of them.
They have an excellent draft record. You can say what you want you want about how they treat loyal veterans, playcalling, time-management, etc., but drafting has always been a strong suit for them. It’s clear as day.
by NOLACuse on Nov 18, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think many people will disagree with this
Drafting is Andy Reid’s strong side.
by BreckBirds20 on Nov 20, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This idiot EvilBanner
will find any reason to criticize. Dude you are the last person in the universe I would want to run our draft or off-season, don’t need a so-called “stud everydown runningback” when we’ve got McCoy up and coming (not to mention weaver and westy). Another RB sure but sending McCoy to the bench is just… evilbanner level of dumb
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Nov 27, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually
mccoy is not an everydown back .. we could use a guy like blount.. we need a guy like steven jackson .. mccoy is a third down back
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 28, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever you wish to believe, Jibta
It hasn’t stop you before…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Nov 28, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that just happens to have the ability to be a 3 down back
.. calling McCoy a 3rd down back is just plain stupid… He was drafted in the 2nd round to be a 3rd down back..
Actually McCoy is pretty big, he’s kinda short but the dudes strong, I’d take him as a 3 down back anyday.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 28, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh yes
cuz he doesnt dance in the hole and try to break everyplay rite .. hes reggie bush
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 28, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since you compare him to Reggie Bush...
Reggie Bush rookie season:
16 games play, started 8:
Rushing: 155 attempts, 565 yard, 3.6 YPC 8 TDs
Receiving: 6 TDs; 88 catches, 742 yards, 2 TDs
LeSean McCoy Rookie season: 10 games played, 3 games started
Rushing: 106 attempts, 452 yards, 4.3 YPC, 3 TD
Receving: 23 catches, 181 yards, 0 TD
Hey, look. McCoy’s a better rusher than catcher. 3rd down back? Uh, no.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Nov 29, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
noo
bush played more .. and their rushing is similar .. dancing in holes .. running for sidelines .. hes a decent back .. but not an every down one
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 29, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your a dumbass
last game I didnt see him try to dance around unless he broke into the secondary or the whole completely went to clusterfuck when he got there…
He’s not reggie bush, McCoy is like 20x better.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 29, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
i have yet to see it .. he has skills .. im not denying that .. but i cant be the only one who sees him dance and miss holes .. hes been ok .. hes a rookie tho .. ill give him a pass .. but so far im not that impressed
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 29, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look
he has major skills, he has shown he can stand up in the pass and the run, he can fill in for westbrook and the team doesnt(sadly) miss a beat…
He is a rookie, that’s why he’s been trying so hard to make something happen, Im not denying that he’s dancing in the hole, Ive seen it and so has everyone else… However last game he really didnt dance in the hole, and when he did he HAD to… He’s learning and should be something good.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 29, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mccoy is not an everydown back .. we could use a guy like blount.. we need a guy like steven jackson .. mccoy is a third down back
ugh so many things wrong with this. There is no such thing as a 3rd down back. LeSean McCoy is a running back regardless of the down.
Blount had 137 attemps last year … McCoy had 276 his first year in college and 308 his second so it would appear that he is more of an every down back than Blount. And don’t give me this bullshit that he shared carries because if he was truly the every down back you claim he wouldn’t have carries taken away from him.
Steven Jackson averages about 250 carries a year in college (less than McCoy) … I realize these facts mean nothing to you but it’s more so that others don’t listen to your delusional logic than actually trying to prove anything you you.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 30, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
and mccoy also didnt got to a major bcs college .. so he didnt have higher recruits with him .. u think mccoy is better than a guy like joe mcknight .. but he will get less carrys cuz he goes to usc and they recruit 5 stud rbs .. like bush split with lendale .. mccoy at oregon would of split carries .. and college means nothing .. u can tell who is going to be an everydown back .. i like mccoy .. but in a platoon .. similar to deangelo williams and steewart .. we need our deangelo
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 30, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude good backs get carries plain and simple.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 30, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nah
ur wrong about that one .. felix jones and mcfadden split .. caddalac and ronnie brown .. being the feature back at like vilanova or even pitt or syracyuse is nothing like USC alabama Tenn Miami .. theres better backs there to split carries with
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 30, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? 2007 Darren McFadden had 325 carries Felix Jones had 133 that is not splitting carries that is McFadden getting a break. 2006 was almost as bad 284 to 154 and McFadden started the year out injured.
Cadillac and Brown split in 2002 (because Cadillac was INJURED) in 2003 Ronnie Browns carries dropped significantly when Caddy came back 241 carries to 95 carries and in 2004 Cadillac had 239 carries Ronnie Brown had 153 … like I said good backs will get carries plain and simple.
I would love to see you actually look up some stats before you make ridiculous statements because you have yet to prove a split back system. Reggie Bush and Lendale White is probably the best you have but Reggie Bush is not a running back.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 30, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the CBA where its at
With the high rookie contracts potentially coming to an end I really hope andy trades our high 2010 picks for picks in 2011 and late rounders in 2010. Most of our issues can be addressed later in the draft 3+, and if we have alot of picks in the later rounds we can really address all of our needs. The only position I would use a first rounder on is Left Tackle, but with Peter’s contract I think we are alright in that area and can draft a late round project.
Great post by the way, really enjoyed it.
by Tron79 on Nov 18, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
CB
I haven’t read all of the comments so I don’t know if someone alredy mentioned this, BUT… CB will be something we address I believe. Possibly not early, but CB could be a concern with Sheldon getting up there in age and his contract being far less than market value. What we do with him will be interesting to say the least. Do we pay him? Do we trade him?
Either way, we need to adress the postion.
"The last time the Eagles won by scoring in the final two minutes of regulation was a 23-20 win over Oakland in 2005."
by Smitty2K3 on Nov 18, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also… OL!!!
We have all the young talent in the world in other positions. If we can just upgrade our OL as a whole, we’d be better off. I like Peters and Herremans for the indefinite future, but Jackson could use a kick in the ass and I’m not sure what to expect out of Stacy and Winston next year.
"The last time the Eagles won by scoring in the final two minutes of regulation was a 23-20 win over Oakland in 2005."
by Smitty2K3 on Nov 18, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamaal Jackson
has been a beast this year, except for the Dallas game. But, then again, Ratliff is a pro-bowl beast-master…so we’re fine at center, for now.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 18, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A beast?
I must’ve missed this “beast” that you speak of considering we’re WOEFUL in short yardage situations.
I could be wrong because I don’t watch film or do any scouting, but looking at our OL as a whole… if Jackson was a “beast”, we’d have no problem gaining one yard when we need it I’d think.
IMO, Jackson is average. Not bad, but also not great.
"The last time the Eagles won by scoring in the final two minutes of regulation was a 23-20 win over Oakland in 2005."
by Smitty2K3 on Nov 18, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t seem like he was getting much of a push in the chargers game either. With the D tackles in the NFC East I think it wouldn’t hurt for us to look for a stud center.
by Tron79 on Nov 18, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"The last time the Eagles won by scoring in the final two minutes of regulation was a 23-20 win over Oakland in 2005."
by Smitty2K3 on Nov 18, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong but
I thought the idea was to move nick cole to center, but during the preseason Jackson was the only consistently healthy lineman so they had nick cole help at guard.
They could go back to this next year though I think Cole needs to be resigned first.
by Tron79 on Nov 18, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong, wrong and wrong
His lack of ability to get a push on those 4th and inches/QB sneaks is because he wasn’t getting push from the Right Guard. As a Center, I can tell you, all of those ulta-short yardage plays boil-down to forming a wedge. A wedge is when the entire offensive line pushes on the center. Because the tackles are pushing the guards, and the guards are pushing the center, you should be able to get some ground and bowl forward. The center’s job is to make sure nothing is in the way of his feet (you’ll see defensive tackles dive down at the ankles of them on these plays), and simply to lift up said dlinemen in his way. Because, as long as there is a good push from the other linemen, the center should move forward. Now, watch all of the short yardage plays again, and you will see Nick Cole or Stacy Andrews not give Jackson the push he needs. This happens because the G gets blown off his push by a D-linemen simply crashing the gap. When the gap is crashed, all hope is lost.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 18, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The push still starts with jackson, and alot of times in short yardage situations you have a man on each interior offensive lineman so each man needs to get a push its not like all the force is directed on Jackson. He is obviously not a bad lineman, but he is not a Beast. Shawn Andrews was a beast before he became a headache.
by Tron79 on Nov 18, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is a good center
not the stongest, but he has great technique and communicates well with the rest of the line. But being a Center, he depends on those around him for his plays (and this is not a flaw of his, simply the system). He is one of the better pass blocking centers there are.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 18, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
These are my needs by priority.
CB/Safety: Sheldon is getting old and you can tell he has lost some speed. Hobbs is a free agent next year and I don’t see him being resigned. As for Safety, I’m not sold on Macho….yet. I remember a couple times the announcer said that the TE made the play because Macho didn’t get there or make the tackle. If by the end of the year if he does not pick his game up, they should draft a Safety in the 1st round. We need play makers starting not role players like Gocong and Macho.
O-line: Definitely need to pick up 2 interior linemen and a right tackle. Andrews sisters fucked everything up. Herremans played well at LT last game so we can just shift him if Peters goes down.
Defensive End: We need a force opposite Trent Cole. If he goes down we are fucked.
Linebacker: Mostly for backup. Gocong is out next year. Woo hoo! Next year it’s either Bradley at MLB, Spoon at SLB, and Jordan at Will or Bradley at SLB and Spoon at MLB. Either way we will have a very good starting line backing core. If we can get Morrisson or Howard through FA it would be the best linebacking core in the NFC no doubt.
Quarterback: Backup purposes. 2 out of 3 current QBs will be gone by 2011.
Running Back: This will be a low pick if Weaver and Westy are back next year. If they are both gone this could be a 3rd/4th round pick.
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by Route36 on Nov 18, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want a guard in the first round...
I’m cool with Peters at LT, Herreman at LG, Jackson at C, and Justice at RT. What I’m not cool with is the Andrew brothers’ head and knees. And I’m definitely do not want MJG and Cole at right guard. Don’t get me wrong, they’re good backups…but they’re backups, not starting guards.
Second round would be good spot for finding a starting LDE. Not another we’re-going-to-switch-this-guy-with-20-others; a good starting DE.
Later rounds would be good for depth. Depth for LB, DB, QB, and WR, in no particular order.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Nov 18, 2009 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldnt be suprised at all if we trade down (and out of the first round)
by philiafan14364 on Nov 18, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Offseason Hope
They can go a number of different routes. Personally, I hope they exploit the free agency market.
At defensive end, Aaron Kampman needs to be brought to Philly. He’s a free agent after this year, playing out of position as a 3-4 OLB in Green Bay, and would form an elite pass-rushing duo with Trent Cole. A rotation of Cole, Kampman, and Babin would rival Umenyiora, Tuck, and Kiwanuka.
Next, we can sign Derrick Johnson of the Kansas City Chiefs. He is playing a 3-4 ILB in KC (out of position, as he is best suited on the outside) and would give us depth. Plus, he would not be too expensive.
If we don’t get Kampman, I would throw all our eggs into landing Kirk Morrison, who could play all over the defense and take us to the next level.
In the draft, I would say guard is our number one priority, followed by corner, safety, and running back. The best player available from one of those positions should be our pick.
by tanman5 on Nov 18, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Compensation for Vick will be interesting
I think some fans have dreams of a second round pick for Vick dancing in their heads, but what team would give up a second rounder for him? The only way they could get a second round pick for Vick is if it was conditional, and I’m sure those conditions would be fairly high. Realistically, I think you could get a 4th round pick for him.
After this season, I have to believe the offensive line will be a priority. I think the Eagles have had enough of Shawn Andrews and will let him get his Phelps on with some other team. I truly believe that the inconsistency with the offense really begins the with O-line and it will be addressed in this draft.
I do think the Eagles will draft another running back in the 3rd or 4th round to pair with McCoy. I may be proven wrong as the rest of this season plays out, but I don’t think it’s an urgent need with McCoy and Leonard Weaver. Yes, I know Weaver is a FB, but he does have the ability to play a little RB.
CB is an interesting need as well. Sheldon will be 31 next year. I am interested to see if Ikegwuonu is really better than Asante, but I have my doubts.
I rank the needs as:
1. O-line
2. Cornerback
3. D-line
4. Linebacker
5. Running back
6. A young QB to develop
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by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 19, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Andy Reid would most covet a DE to play opposite Trent Cole and be a disruptive force. Maybe they finally move Gocong back to DE and draft a linebacker, but probably not.
Don’t be surprised at all if Andy Reid takes a QB in the first or second round.
I can definitely see him drafting a CB with 2nd round pick.
I don’t see him picking an OL before round 3 unless a stud falls.
They will grab a WR and RB for depth, but they have to like what they see in their current WRs and RBs. I think Eldra Buckley should be a fine #2.
I honestly don’t see LB as a position of need. We were unlucky this year with injuries, for sure. However, when our LB rotation is at full strength, it’s deep enough, and LB is not a position of focus on our defense. It’s all about the DL and the secondary.
So my guesses:
Round 1: DE
Round 2: QB
Round 3: CB
Round 3: OT
Round 4: RB
Round 5: WR
Round 6: LB
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by yomjoseki on Nov 20, 2009 5:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
after the OLine injuries, the Andrews sisters debacle, and just mass confusion I would venture a guess that OL is round 1 or 2 probably round 1.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 20, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah im down with a tackle in 1st or 2nd...............
Check out Trent Williams from Oklahoma, hes a notch below the top names but hes got good size and agility for his size, plus we dont have 2 make any crazy deals 2 get him, he should still be around in Rd 2.
by goldenbird09 on Nov 20, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
maybe a coach!!!
it’s time for the eagles to get a coach who holds his players accountable… can manage the clock… call running plays… it would be nice to draft a really good right tackle… help at LB… a true power back (not that reid would know what to do with him)… a stud safety… etc.
by Elmo the faithful fan on Nov 20, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to get someone who just knows how to win
I.E. Tebow.
They say he isnt pro-QB talent but he’s still one of the most decorated men in college football. Tebow could be there in the 2nd round and is worth the pick(we waste so many on O-lineman)…
Tebow would be a project as a QB but look at what he has…
1. Football smarts that are compareable to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning
2. Athletic Ability, he can move around the field
3. A good arm, although he is a lefty, if we can fix that horrible way he throws then we got a great QB.
4) he is a great guy, he helps around the world, he gives back to his community.
5) He is a very hard worker.
6) he just wins games.
Now if you look at what people are saying you can see the stupidity with the media… They basically say the Tebow is such a well rounded FOOTBALL player that he cannot fit into one specific position therefore he will never do anything in the NFL… I say if you can get him fundamentally sound at QB and god knows what he can do.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 20, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
fuck no!!
dude no one listen to wild eagle .. the last thing in the world we need is a shitty undersized qb who wont have a real position in the pros .. fuck tim teabow
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 21, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JIBTA... Please stop.
Look Tebow has leadership, athletic ability, and knows how to win games, he is also a firey leader which is something eagles fans love….
I say take a flyer on Tebow and hope he develops instead of picking O-lineman that never make the team.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 21, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A first round offensive lineman that doesn’t make the team…?
Tebow is going to be going in the first round something I disagree with because Jags’ owner already said he interesting in drafting Tebow to increase ticket sells.
I would much rather have a good guard with Kolb as QB than Tebow (future NFL tight end) playing QB and not having a guard.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Nov 21, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
umm I agree but Tebow isnt a TE... I would love for Kolb to be the QB.
But if we got Tebow it would be as a “project”.. His only problem is the dropping of the ball when passing, if we fix that then we could have something special. and if it doesnt work out we got another TE/trade bait.
If a top flight RG is there then I say take the guard but if there is any question that the guard can step in immediately or very soon the I dont want to mess with it…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 21, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
teabow
hes never gonna be an nfl qb! why the fuck would we waste a late first or second on a guy who has no real nfl postion .. he will just be a gimmic player like mike vick is now .. but atleast vick can play qb .. pass! thats the worst idea yet .. i would take a damn kicker over teabow .. any postion .. we got kolb .. hes our future
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 21, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Tebow will be awful in the NFL.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Nov 22, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dont you always say Kolb is a terrible QB???
but anyway Tebow could be good, but its not in our hands so why argue about it?
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
i like kolb dude .. what are u talkin about .. and if we draft teabow and waste a high pick imma flip out .. he will never ever be good! ever .. hes too damn small to be a qb and has no mechanics .. hes a less athletic vick with a weaker arm
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 23, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's like 6'2 and 240lbs... thats bigger than Dmac.
He’s pretty athletic.. Im just saying i think he’s gonna be good.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 24, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, say what you want about Tebow, but he’s not undersized. He’s like 6’3" 240… HOW IS THAT TOO SMALL? The man is built like a brick.
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by IronHank on Nov 21, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and he can run, and pass pretty good
he’s perfect for the WCO if we can fix his mechanics then were set… Plus he can shake off NFL size D-lineman..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we can fix his mechanics then were set
A lot easier said then done…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Nov 23, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know, but how many QB's come out and have terrible mechanics?
alot of them never learn to throw propperly.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 23, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude
dont argue wit wild eagle ..the fact that he wants us to draft teabow means his stupidity speaks for it self
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 23, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah and the fact you cannot put together a tangable arguement
means your stupidity speaks for itself… Just look at this one about Tebow, you cant even spell his name correctly and you call him undersized when most QB’s in the NFL would kill for his size.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 24, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebows on problem is that funky delivery wind up. That wont cut it with todays DBs. Ask Leftwich.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes thats his only problem
but the dude works harder than anyone on earth, if he’s told that if he fixes his wind up thing then he can play QB, then by god the man will show up the next week and it’ll be fixed…(exagerating a little though)
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 25, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im in your corner as I think he will be a player but
I think an H-back role and the ability to run the wild cat. In the wildcat he will have the ability to pass(many wildcatters dont have this)run or handoff/pitch. He will be good and smart player. Like a Bruschi, but for the offense.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh so your half with me...
whatever, ill take all the support I can get.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 27, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is as big as a TE and will probably be an H-back in the league.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on Nov 25, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hrm
3. A good arm, although he is a lefty, if we can fix that horrible way he throws then we got a great QB.
You want to completely change the way a QB throws and expect him to be good in this new way? Is there any precedent for this happening whatsoever? Have you seen Cal QBs? The only one to work out so far has been Rodgers. You don’t just “fix” the way a player throws the football, the way he’s been doing it for 2 decades, and expect him to be an NFL talent. That’s a whole mess of risk, and when you have the TE, QB, WR, etc talent that we have, there’s not a whole mess of reward involved.
I guess if we drafted Tebow I’d be happy to have a gimmicky player of his quality running the wildcat or some such, but I certainly hope we wouldn’t go into it seeing the future of the franchise. “He just wins games” means nothing, since no football player wins games. Football teams win games. ESPECIALLY at the NFL level.
by Alon on Nov 26, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its not that big of a deal to fix that...
its a matter of dropping the ball to low when he’s pulling back to throw…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude
once u throw so much its a habit .. u do it natuarally .. its not easy
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 28, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it was easy...
if he works at it he will be fine…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 28, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you for making me agree with JIBTA
I want absolutely nothing to do with Tebow, and neither should you. He’ll never make it as an NFL QB, he depends on being able to run over people, (which will not work in the NFL,) his mechanics suck, he doesn’t know how to throw to receivers running timing routes, his footwork sucks, etc.
So you want him as a project? When you’d likely have to invest a really high pick to get him? That’s ridiculous. Tebow is not going to fall to us and we don’t want him. At all. For anything.
Please stop making me agree with JIBTA. It hurts my soul.
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by DSmith215 on Nov 21, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
The dude is a great winner in college. But he also plays on a ridiculous team against mediocre competition every year. Any team that drafts him with the hopes of having him develop into a starting QB will be sorely disappointed. His throwing mechanic is awful, he can’t lead receivers, and he’s not very good at reading the defense. If the lead receiver or hot route is covered, his first instinct is to tuck the ball and run.
Why draft him? You can’t afford to waste picks in the NFL nowadays. We might as well bolster our lines or nab a LB or CB. Those draft choices will actually have a chance at making an impact on the field.
What is Tebow gonna do? Stand on the sidelines and fire guys up? That’s great and all but I’d much rather have players that can walk the talk on the field.
by chrisbeomsuh on Nov 21, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever I say fuck you FOR agreeing with JIBTA..
just watch if he does great ill never let anyone live it down.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ill bet
ill bet anything he is the next eric crouch or jason white .. if anyhting he will be troy smith .. lets waste a high pick on a career project back up who will never be good
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 23, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah lets do it, its better than an
O-lineman or D-lineman… The only position I would take over tebow would be CB if its lindley from kentuck or LB if its one of the top 3 LB’s.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 24, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*kentucky..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 24, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with o-linemen or d-linemen?
football games are won in the trenches, and in case ya haven’t noticed, the ones we have lost this year have been due to shoddy blocking for the most part.
Give me 5 Jason Peters, and I’ll give you a Superbowl ring.
by Alon on Nov 26, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
um, We take so many D-lineman
and O-lineman that barely any of them ever stick… thats what Im saying.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 27, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DUH!
GOOD!!! that’s called competition! We only have to play the best, not just whoever we draft. I’d be delighted to have 20 draft picks of o-linemen, because that means we’ll have 5 great guys starting usually.
by Alon on Nov 28, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i want a stud tackle .. who we can move to guard kinda like we did when we got sean andrews .. if sean comes back healthy than herremans goes to bench and we have the best line in football
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 28, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um herremans is prolly our best O-lineman
… I know we got peters but Herremans can play guard and then move out to tackle and play phenominally there… and im talking about LEFT TACKLE which is the most important position on the OL…
Herremans is a stud, no way in hell he sits.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 28, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are u kidding me
our best oline man .. he almost didnt get his job back .. player horrible at tackle when peters got hurt … peters and justice are both better tackles .. and our stud 1st round olineman wouldnt sit if hes that good .. andrews is a hell of lot better than herramans .. andrews was the best guard in football .. he got hurt .. he can come back .. its not out of the question
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 28, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your an idiot
herremans played damn well at LT when peters was gone… He’s our best olineman because he can slide out to LT and play LG…
Where did you ever see that herremans might not get his job back??? the only time they thought about rotating him was when he came back from his foot injury and they wanted to make sure he didnt get hurt again… And guess what he lobbied to not be in a rotation and so far its worked…
You cannot tell me he sucks, we had no running game until he came back and we started raping the left side… Look at the results before and after herremans came back, not just at your ficticious world of stupidism.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 29, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what
im pretty sure he looked pathetic when he filled in for peters and got beat a bunch of times .. herremans is average .. he dotn hurt u but hes no stud
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 29, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
I dont know what game you were watching, but Herremans did not fill in at LT very good. He actually played bad and looked lost, and we had to constantly use a TE or RB to chip the DE.
by Team Serbia on Nov 30, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whatever... as long as they are good.
i would rather the eagles just draft a physical, intelligent football player regardless of position and work him in, rather than address any “hole”. however, i think we could probably use another tight end for those 2 t e sets.
im not impartial to another de though. that would be awesome. imagine what opposing qbs would think. i wouldnt even want to play.
"Eli made a good tackle. I tried to run him over. ... Next time I'll try to jump over his head or something." - Asante Samuel
by abains007 on Nov 24, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thank you, im saying Tebow can be that
physical, intelligent football player… He could be a good QB, he works harder than anyone I have ever seen and this is coming from a kid who hates the gators… If he’s told he needs to work on his mechanics he will work on them until there perfect…
Hardwork, football smarts, and being physically gifted gets you places regardless if you translate or not as of right now.. What if he comes in and changes the QB position almost completely.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 24, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Graham, Nate Allen, John Jerry
In that order. I have no idea about our other 3rd round pick.
by Kowalski on Nov 25, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
teabow
teabow is horrible .. and the fact that u want us to spend a high pick on him is idiotic
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah kinda like the fact that you think
Jack is better than asante huh??? dont come on here and attack my arguements like that when I can back mine up with facts and proof and you can hardly back yours up with shit that you concoct in your head.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 25, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with jibta
Tebow’s college production has been off the charts. Then again, so was Eric Crouch’s.
That aside, the Eagles have plenty of other needs and a qb/fb/te/h-back is not one of them.
Hopefully they take the best player available that is a corner, defensive end, linebacker, or safety.
by tanman5 on Nov 25, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive guard
Should be our highest priority.
by tanman5 on Nov 25, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea rite
what gives u any indication hes gonna be good .. whenhave any of these gimiiccollege qbs been good .. wheres eric crouch now a days .. what about jason white or troy smith .. or even vince young .. who is a better qb mechanically than teabow .. teabow is never gonna be an nfl starter . well atleast not a good one
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 25, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK jibta..
just watch and see.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 25, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Can someone tell me what is jibta?
by Soren K on Nov 26, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its an acronim for
jack is better than asante… spelling on the “acronim” i know.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 27, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wild Eagle
go back to playing madden or whatever it is you do to learn about football, because you clearly haven’t watched young quarterbacks coming out of college for the last 10 years in the NFL. Guys with wonky deliveries and from college systems which are not based at all on timing are not going to be NFL QB’s. You were probably also one of the idiots who though Jamarcus Russel was going to be awesome because he could chuck a ball 90 yards.
Tebow is a perfect college QB, he has very little chance of directing an NFL passing game. He can’t make precision/timing throws at this level and even if he could his throwing motion is absurd.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Nov 27, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Radeoheadbeatleseagles...
why do you have to be a dick??? I actually play football, I doubt you ever suceeded in football in your youth so dont come on here and start jumping down my throat about me saying Tebow could be good in our offensive system..
No, I know Russel would suck ass, throwing it 90 yards doesnt win games, an accurate, smart, and athleticly gifted playe—such as tebow— do win you games..
Just watch and see, and dont try to be a dick to me over what I think. Just because you have an opinion doesnt exactly make it correct, it is out of BOTH of our control and whether he suceeds in the NFL has yet to be seen so techniquely you have nothing to be a dick over.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 27, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
teabow
hes going to be average at best! hes a gimmic player .. i dont even know why anyone would take him before round 2 .. hes pat white
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 28, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not really..
I think he’s gonna be good.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 28, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree and disagree
i think early on in his career he may be used similarily to pat white or maybe more so like vick, depending on what team he goes to. If he goes to a team that is expecting him to be their franchise QB than no, he’ll be terrible. But if he gets the kolb treatment, he’ll probably be alright. His quarterback mechanics as far as his throwing motion are horrible… If a quarterback coach in the nfl can work his bad mechanics out of him early, i see him being a pretty decent player. He appears to have great leadership qualities, and you can’t coach those kinds of things so i think it’s just a case of wait and see
Representing CANADA eh?
by awat5 on Dec 1, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I was in a bad mood, shouldn’t have been a dick… still don’t see tebow as a great nfl QB but I understand where you coming from, you know your stuff.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Nov 29, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah well im sorry about retaliating like a dick
I know my stuff.. But the Tebow thing is really a stong gut feeling…
Keep in mind im talking about Tebow and I HATE the gators worse than I hate the cowboys and deadskins.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 29, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa whoa
wild eagle does not know his stuff .. im more clear on that bud than i am that teabow is not gonna be a good nfl qb
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 30, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lets see so far im right 9/10 times
and your right 1/10 times…
your nowhere near my level…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 30, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what
when have u ever been rite ? ,. and i am always correct .. thanks ..
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 30, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do you remember that post you made with your predictions?
always right is far from accurate.
by eagleyosh on Nov 30, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
remember when I said Celek was good
yeah that’s right I told you there…
When I said Kolb could be good..
Now Im taking a flyer and fighting a losing battle and I will most likely be right again…
JIBTA your always wrong. Everyone know’s it, so quit kidding yourself.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 30, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2010 draft
The Eagles need to take the best player available among
OT, RB, or DE. Since they will likely be drafting
at # 20 or later, I doubt that a blue chip OT will be there
so the choice is likely a big back (6’ 230 lb.) or
speed DE. With the aquisition of Will Weatherspoon
and the anticipated healthy return of Bradley
the Eagles should be in decent shape at LB.
As well, I wouldn’t be bent out of shape if the
1st choice was a DB.
by egulman on Nov 30, 2009 7:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How about that white guy from
Stanford at RB??? Fast, strong and he’s white so he know’s how to NOT dance around and is prolly a bona fide badass.
plus he single handedly beat USC
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 30, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck that
i dont want no damn white rb … how many of those are any good .. i want the next chris johnson .. not the next brian lenord
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Nov 30, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toby Gerhart is an absolute bull.
I’ve been watching him play this season and he’s been playing out of his mind. If it wasn’t for Stanford’s mediocre record, he would probably be strongly considered for the Heisman Trophy. But there’s no way he’s going to win it over McCoy or Tebow. But still, Gerhart runs strong, hits the open hole well, and can catch out of the backfield. He lacks that extra gear but at his size, he runs over LBs and CBs like there’s no tomorrow. IMHO, I don’t think these things will translate over to the NFL. He’s not going to be able to run over people in the NFL and he lacks elite speed. Doesn’t sound like a good combination to me. I think he’ll definitely be around in the early to mid second round but I’d rather have us draft Blount, who has a much higher potential/upside.
by chrisbeomsuh on Nov 30, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Gerhart will be solid.
I would like solid behind McCoy.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Nov 30, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he definitely will be solid
But why not go for a GREAT RB platoon by drafting someone with higher potential? Gerhart would definitely solve our short yardage problem but I think we should use Weaver/Eldra for these situations. Anyways, I wouldn’t be mad if we end up drafting Gerhart as long as we draft him in the right spot or if he starts slipping to third/fourth round.
by chrisbeomsuh on Nov 30, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
















