Another McNabb post, I know, I know....I'm sorry
by Tbot86 on Nov 13, 2009 11:07 AM EST
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PrintI saw the poll a few days ago about who should be starting at quarter back. While I thnk this was on the right track, I do not think it accurately describes the general feeling toward mcnabb.
I am really not trying to start another argument, everything that can be said has been said numerous times. I am honestly just curious where the majority of people stand on the McNabb situation.
oh, and this is my first fanpost...so if I did something wrong, I apologize.
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Ahhh The Age Old McNabb discusstion.
I dont know why im even getting involved in another DMAC discussion. But just to give my 2 cents and as I’ve stated b4..If Dmac improves and succeeds keep him. If he keeps with the inconsistency and doesn’t move forward and succeed, Time to move on. It’s just the nature of the NFL Business. Of course there are other factors that play into it, but after 10yrs with the SAME habits and tendencies….well..u know!
This year the O-line has not been up to par so it does contribute to some of DMACS problems. But what about 2 yrs ago. Or 3 yrs ago. Or the year before that! It’s nuttn new. Dmac is inconsistent! We know this. So don’t just use the O-line as an excuse. That’s THIS YEARS PROBLEM! We gotta look at the whole picture and track record! These are just my opinions guys and nuttn more!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I do believe that McNabb does give us the best chance to win THIS YEAR though!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
How do we know?
When his career is over and if McNabb never wins the big one, won’t we shake our heads at the “best chance to win this year” comments we’ve made year after year?
That;s just it...We don't know
We don’t know what will happen. But based off experience, and the fact the he’s been in this system since day 1..I think he gives us the best chance to win this moment. Is that a fact. Who knows! But its all we got right now. I stated above…if Dmac stinks it up, then im ready to move on to the next QB. It’s only an opinion. I wish I could stand here and tell u with out a doubt that McNabb will in fact help us win a Super Bowl this year. Or I wish I could tell u that the answer is to drop McNabb and start Kolb cuz KOLB will help us win the Superbowl this year….But none of that is True. That’s why we watch the game. Cuz anything can happen on any given Sunday! We’re all riding the Eagles rollercoster.!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
you forgot to end it with REALTALK!!!!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
hahahaha..!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
The one thing that has given me SOME confidence
Is that at the end of the last year he played well enough to win. If he can’t stay consistent then i don’t know how anyone can argue that he definitely gives us the best “chance” to win. Evidently, he only gives us a great chance when we’re up on the scoreboard and playing garbage defenses.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Could it be the system?
I posted this in the other thread way down when it was basically dead….
Every QB has looked good in Any’s System
McNabb – Great Career but look at his back-ups…
Garcia – took us into the playoffs and looked great
AJ Feeley – got a starting job with the Dolphins after playing a few games with McNabb out
Kolb – looked great in his 2 starts this game
Koy Detmer – might be the only guy that was just ok
No doubt the QB needs some talent, but could it be the system over the QB?
Its what I been saying all along
West coast quarterbacks just need to be high % in completions and need to be able to lead their WRs in order for them to make some good plays. McNabb is not your prototypical West Coast QB. In the 06 playoff run we were this “big play” team with huge inconsistencies, just like we are now. Garcia takes over and we started averaging 27 pts a game
Another thing about play calling.. If you have a QB who is largely inconsistent, the you NEED to call more plays. In other words, it’s going to take more than a couple of throws for McNabb to get it right. If hes wildly inconsistent then why run it on 2 of th3 downs when theres a good chance that one ball is going to be in the dirt or behind a WR? It’s going to take him 2 downs
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
2006
The Hero of that run was Brian Dawkins, lest we retire Garcia and put a statue in front of the LINC.
Dawkins single-handedly won games, or changed games.
And our pass/run ratio went from about 95/5 to about 55/45…
So Joe D, again, another opportunity to legitimately criticize. And you fail.
by damonmoore43 on Nov 13, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Brian Dawkins single handedly won us all those games
You’ve reached JIBTA/Evil Banner status
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Dude.
Kolb is not an NFL starter. Keep waxing his nuts all you want. Your dream ain’t gonna happen.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
so waxing McNabbs nuts is better EvilBanner?
personally i think this whole topic is old. We all have stated our points…all valid ,noones budging…and we dont make the decisions sooooooo whats the point in carrying on the argument?
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 14, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
i actually budged
I was high on Kolb, but still thought McNabb was the best option…I blamed McNabb’s poor performance on play calling and lack of a running game. Joe D convinced me (with the facts that New England, Arizona, etc… ALL call more passing plays than the Eagles, but no one notices or cares) that the problem was McNabb’s inaccuracy.
Maybe i’m the only one who budged.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
idk Does he?. Do u think so?
Who do u think gives us a BETTER chance to win a Super Bowl right this minute!? Who do u have 100% faith in the could take the ball from McNabb and win us a Super Bowl!? I love Dmac. Hes done great things for us…but its getting old. The same ol problems and the same ol reasons! And in reality, it’s not about us, it’s about the Coaches and who THEY want at the helm! I’m guessing they think that since Dmac has been in many big games and been here for so long, they have faith in him! But I’ll ask u your own question…So, does McNabb give us the best chance to win????
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
ahh I meant
Who do u have 100% faith in that could take the ball from McNabb and win us a Super Bowl right now!?
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Who? I’ve never heard that name before…
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
he's only the best quarterback in eagles history....
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
The Oakland game was really the only one where I could look back and say McNabb cost the Eagles the game (and Andy wasn’t giving him any help by calling a million pass plays). He could have played better against the Cowboys, but I really can’t pin that one on him.
Who could you pin it on?
The defense was constantly defending short fields — constantly. They played well other then that nice play by Dallas to Miles Austin.
The rookies made a lot of mistakes and they committed some HUGE penalties which really helped the loss but Dallas made just as many bone head mistakes. The line gave up a few sacks but then again, they do have a couple guys who can pass rush with no problem. Other than that, our offense who scored a meager 16 pts was squarely on McNabb’s inability to throw good balls with consistency and touch.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Sheldon Brown, Andy Reid, the refs, you're an idiot, Maclin, Celek, The interior line
Give it up. McNabb had maybe four bad throws all game. He had at least as many passes dropped by his receivers, especially on the last drive. Both of those picks were in some way Maclin’s fault. And he will learn from his mistakes.
Don’t write extensive apologies if you’re going to flip flop ever week. It makes you look like a bandwagon-jumper.
4 bad throws the whole game?
I counted 4 bad throws in one drive. Celek had ONE drop which was a freaking LASWER in between two defenders. Other than that Celek had another great game. Maclin made some mistakes — which I acknowledged and so do the rest of the rookies.
The interior line? LOL. You make more excuses than he does.
I often wonder if these idiots watch the same fucking game!! You must just watch McNabb’s balls instead of the actual game..
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
thank you
thank you, thank you….. I don’t know how someone writes “Who could you pin it on?” and then rattle off 3 huge contributing factors while continuing to ignore the INABILITY TO GET ONE YARD ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION while running the ball. Goddam Joe_D, just let it go, we get it, you hate McNabb.
rharris, Joe D get's it
He knows his argument isn’t realistic…
McNabb touches the ball every play!!! haha, his shit is funny.
What’s his analysis of Cutler’s 5 picks? McNabb doesn’t throw 5 picks because his balls are so terrible, defensive backs couldn’t possibly pick him off that many times in a game…haha
get ’em Joe!
by damonmoore43 on Nov 13, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
i say the same as joe
and quite frankly im starting to hate McNabb and its not even his fault. All this inner fan-base hatred cuz of this 1 topic is really starting to irritate the shit outta me
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 13, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
I’ve said my piece on the McNabb issue, and I’m laying it to rest! It’s not worth the constant fighting when none of us make the decisions anyway.
Everyone has a point, because you’re trying to fit a circle (McNabb’s inaccurate but big arm) into a square hole (West Coast Offense), it’s not working so well and everyone’s split over whether the circle needs to give up because it doesn’t fit, or whether we need to get a round hole. It’s not the circle or the square’s fault, they just don’t work well together…either would suit their proper counterpart really well. We’ve seen true west coast QB’s come in here and have success that was almost surprising (why couldn’t we move the ball like this w/ McNabb), and I look at an offense like Pittsburgh which is based around a running game setting up play action passing; it requires the QB to hold the ball while the slow play develops, and relies on a big arm to get the ball there…McNabb would be AWESOME in that!
Circle and square…I’m over it.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
amen brother
+1
f@#K DEM COWBOYZ.....F#%K EM!
by northern eagle on Nov 13, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Then Andy/Marty should change their play calling according to Mcnabb’s strenghts. Run the ball more to set up the play action.
P.S. Pittsburgh is no longer a running team. They are passing waaay more this year. They are one of the top 5 passing teams.
World Series- check
NBA Title- check
Stanley Cup- check
Superbowl- In progress...
by Route36 on Nov 13, 2009 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, i've noticed that with Pittsburg too
but I’m not sold that they’ve strayed from their fundamental offense. The passing plays are still developing slowly, and rely on a big arm from Ben
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Maclin was exposed.
Maclin had a poor game against Dallas…couldn’t get off the line and was responsible for tipping the one int…just saw it on AFC Matchup…hard to watch.
Exposed?
Dude he’s a rookie! It takes 3 years for most of these guys to learn the game. He’s going to make mistakes. Jackson made a ton of mistakes last year.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Clarification
What I mean is that Maclin has been nearly universally praised on this site. By simple observation, it did seem like he was playing great. But, he constantly got manhandled by the Dallas secondary in one-on-ones. I agree…we need to see him as he is…a rookie work-in-progress.
Agrree with Route36
Mcnabb has his flaws….but philly fans are ridic….every year we are 5-3 and every year we end up in the championship gm. Mcnabb certainly didn’t play his best on sun but he was not soley to blame. If the defense can get of the field if sheldon doesnt bite if maclin catches the ball if the refs aren’t blind there is equal blame to spread around. What we do know is Mcanab wins when it counts and as the oline cont to get healthy and some continutiy along with our LBs and secondary we will be a force like we always are. Be patient and lets sitick with the man who has garnered us the most sucess weve had in this franchises history
I'm fine
sticking with McNabb for this year…but after 8-8 in ‘07, and a basically failed regular season last year (LUCKY postseason birth)…if we don’t finish strong, keeping our destiny in our hands, I’m over McNabb going into next year.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 13, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
+1
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
And might I add
Amen
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
i always
like your posts… i do not, however, think your round peg… square hole analogy is entirtely accurate… in mcnabb’s case it’s not just a matter of his style of play being incompatible with the system… he’s just not that smart… coupled with his erratic arm and weak ego there is no system in the world with which he would be compatible… my vote… try to maximize his trade value by playing him and talking up his performance this year… then move him and close the book!!! back to your point about the “fit”… I think reid is a smart guy and has shown he can devise plans to suit the talent he puts on the field… he can’t manage the clock very well but that’s also the responsibility of the qb on the field… one more barb at mcnabb… he may be the worst qb in the world when it comes to moving the chains and controlling the pace and flow of the game… he just can’t run a two minute drill
You are indeed "toofunny"
That bit about “I think reid is a smart guy and has shown he can devise plans to suit the talent he puts on the field” is a priceless gem. Reid is a horrible game day coach and he is a slavish worshipper of his “system.” Thanks for the LOL.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
0 and 1; 1 and 5
Superbowl record; NFC championship record. If I recall, that is the Eagles record under McNabb. No, he usually loses when it counts.
We’re going to be looking at QBs this offseason anyway with Vick likely gone. Maybe we can find a late-round gem in this year’s draft? Andy has a pretty good history of discovering talent in the later rounds.
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
true...
it would be nice if he were better at finding better talent in round 1 also…lots of hits but lots of misses as well… i guess that’s just part of the game… i do admire the front office (and reid) for keeping the team in contention year in and year out… no real rebuilding seasons… closing the book on mcnabb with a high round draft chioce in trade would be my “perfect world”…
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