NFL official: Spot on McNabb sneak should have been moved
by JasonB on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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PrintYou all remember the play... Last week, at around midfield Donovan McNabb ran a QB sneak on 4th down that the officials spotted short of a first down. Replays showed that McNabb was well ahead of where the ball was spotted, but officials instead upheld the ruling on the field.
Mike Pereira. Vice President of NFL Officiating, disagreed with the ruling.
"I think I'd move it," Pereira said. "There was a camera angle that showed exactly where the ball was when McNabb's elbow hit the ground. The Eagles logo at midfield provided a reference point. The spot where the ball was when McNabb's elbow touched the ground did not match the placement of the ball by the referees."
Well thanks... NOW you realize it!
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Mike Pereira...
Almost NEVER disagrees with a call, so this is a very rare admission of a blown call.
It only makes me madder.
Its not just the fact that we had to give the ball away
This also cost us our last timeout in a close game, this infuriates me I hope someone gets fired over this call.
You know what?
Blaming the refs makes us sound stupid. How about we just win outright and stop making excuses.
thanks for realizing now that everyone fell forward, but they lost yardage that makes a whole lot of sense good in game call… _
I agree with strikeeagle tho, if we took care of the rest of the stuff the refs don’t matter
true
you and strikeeagle are correct we did miss other plays on the field. But this play we “made” but were never given a chance to continue. A lot of peole say don’t blame the ref’s and I agree. BUT, when they have instant replay and still get the call incorrect then I say we can blame the ref’s for this wrong call.
Now we may not have still won the game…a fumble, interception, etc. could still have happened. But don’t begin to tell me you’re not thinking…“what could have been…?”
As obviously disgusting as this call was, what I considered to be the best part was: 2nd & 1: McCoy. 3rd & 1: McCoy. 4th & 1: McNabb.
And while these calls were happening I was seething with anger screaming at the tv “THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE A WEAVER! FOR THIS FUCKING SITUATION SPECIFICALLY,” and my dad was equally upset, saying “With the number of times that they had run Weaver in the game, if they lined him up in the backfield all alone and ran play action, everyone would bite- they’d have to. There would be at least two wide open receivers downfield.”
It’s really not a complicated game, is it?
And what really made it for me was that on a later possession, we had a 3rd & 1, and holy crap, we ran Weaver who basically picked Smith up with one arm and used him as a human battering ram to drive forward for three yards. No fuss, no muss. Because that’s what a real fullback does, and would have done in the earlier situation if only Reid had had any inkling of what he was doing and called for it.
Reminds me..
of Buckhalter 4th and Goal vs the Bears last season. As we all know, later overview angles showed Buckhalter clearly got in the endzone. Once again, thanks NFL.
http://football.realgm.com/src_teamarticle/452/20081112/no_freedom_in_philadelphia/?ewrd=1
That predictability has left many to forecast that the Eagles will be the only NFC East team to sit out the postseason for the second-straight year.
Lol, they got that one wrong
Two thirds of the earth are covered by water, the other third is covered by Dawkins
by greeninireland on Nov 12, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
the worst one
was Westbrook in the Saints divisiongal game… I never really blame the refs but they fucked us hardcore on a LOT of calls that year..that SB sucked too….Bears vs Colts? wtf
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I cant believe that I am struggling to remember the call you're speakin of...
I can only remember Scott Young from that game
Dont Disrespect the Level
Coincidence???
Same ref screwed us over in that game last year. I’m even more pissed after Watching this. Fire Walt (Donaghy) Coleman now!!! http://www.football-refs.com/nfl-referees-by-season/2008-crews/week-04/
by eaglemaniac814 on Nov 12, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
fhqwhgads
“fhqwhgads” – man, I haven’t thought about that for years, what a great username. This might not make sense to a lot of people, I feel obliged to let everyone know the origin of that one, and the greatness of H*R.
Personally, Trogdor will always hold a special place in my heart.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Nov 12, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how can you not like a dragon who burninates the countryside
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
what is this Honestarrunner you speak of
:)
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 12, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
What did he say about the pass interference...
….on Roy Williams, but Asante Samuels in the endzone? Huh? Eh? chirp chirp chipr
How about the missed PI in the red zone
on Avant? CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP
How many playoffs in the past 15 years? CHIRP CHIRP CHIRP x 1000000000000000000
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
"I know you are but what am I"
geeeeezzz
by Musiccitynorm on Nov 12, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Its f unny how all the cow fags are posting here now
They’ve been dormant here and they finally get a big win on us and they are lurking here like they’ve actually been relevant all these years
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I only come here to see what bye dawk is doing
he spends a lot of time on our board and he’s generally respected there.
Much respect for the eagles from me, good team, but so are the Cowboys and your team underestimated them.
1/2 a season left and lots of things could happen from then to now, and yes injuries do matter unlike last year. small jab there in case you missed it.
by Musiccitynorm on Nov 12, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind
We also lost to the Raiders by the same margin. So beating us doesn’t prove you’re a good team, it proves you’re capable of beating a team that also lets itself get beat by the Raiders.
underestimated
Really, i did not see anything in that game that suggested the Eagles underestimated Dallas, a team that had won three in a row and whose offense was on fire offensively?? Please prove to me how the Eagles underestimated Dallas? Because even though they lost, i certainly did not see that.
by PhilsForever on Nov 13, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
They’re all still seriously butthurt over 44-6. We emasculated them, so now they have to pretend like a 4 point win = a 38 point asskicking.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 12, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
and its November
Dallas will fold again guaranteed
And i dont need photoshop for that
Dont Disrespect the Level
by 700 Level on Nov 12, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is this around the same time McNabb pukes again in the biggest game? Because, since the past matters so much to the present time and all…
Sure Sure
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Yep..McNabb doesn't have any Superbowl Rings, but..
Refresh my memory…..How many Super Bowl Rings does Tony Romo have.? How many playoff wins does Romo have.? How many NFC Championship games has Romo played in? Help me out here, all I’m gettin is a goose egg! For the common man, goose egg = ZERO! But go ahead..think about it. Take your time.!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Romo has no Superbowls after being a starter for 3 years.......
He still has time as most QB’S take time ….its a fact …..next!!!!!
Whats up with the NEXT!
It’s pointless now…U killed! Say it 50 times if u want. U just sound immature as u keep sayin it! I said it once! That’s it! No need to run it into the ground!
C’mon man.! Its over man relax!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Just bustin ur Chops up there..But in all Seriousness
Im look forward to playin the Cowboys again. This time hoping our offense actually shows up and DMAC steps up to the plate!
Division Rivalries..u gotta love’em!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Romo has no Superbowls after being a starter for 3 years…….
you are right… he is young, but its more the way he chokes and always finds a way to lose in the playoffs or late in the season. In my opinion he is the exact opposite of Tom Brady… Brady has that look, like" We’re gonna find a way to get the win". Romo looks like a deer in the headlights as if he’s wondering how he will lose it this time
Dont Disrespect the Level
I agree he is not that mature in big games.....I don't put the Giants playoff game on him
cause he did all he could……Crayton should’ve caught the ball and thats what he is paid to do. All in all when a team loses big games it always goes back to the QB. Do I agree with it all being put on the QB? No, not one bit. But thats how today’s NFL games are being portrayed. In the philly case, I have seen when they play badly people always seem to go after Mcnabb. Thats hard for me to swallow and I differ in the opinion because there are 52 other men on a 53 man roster that have a little something to do with the outcome of games as well.
Eagles fans always full of class....
….you guys should all be neutered.
You should all be spayed.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Nov 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
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Championships that is. Super Bowl wins are still championships, one is not more important that the other.
I wouldnt even bother them bdawk4ever!
They’re not here for any real positive reason! I wouldn’t waste your time.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
shocking
a cowgirls fan who signed up yesterday wants to come on our blog and try not to look like an idiot. well, you failed. i bet that IF you were alive during the superbowl wins for dallas, your age could be measured in 1 digit. same goes with the last time you all won a playoff game. you’re a joke, go elsewhere.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Nov 12, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
a cowboyy fan who talks crap to me gets no respect
the only thing we hear is super bowls… That was 14 YEARS AGO……………………..
AND NOT ONE… NOT ONE PLAYOFF WINS SINCE
how many TVs have you broken in that amount of time?
Dont Disrespect the Level
hahahhaa
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I can show facts that almost every team in the NFL has hit a dry spell of no playoff wins in their existance.
Dallas is having thiers big time after all those glorious years from the 60’s to the mid 90’s . For me I have watched every game and will continue cause well I am a true Dallas fan. As I pray at night , all I want is for Dallas to win one playoff game …..I want a superbowl but we need to start off with small goals lol
ok
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I hear ya
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
No, but is damn sure helped
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
yeah
not one play decides a game
unfortunately though this play cost us possession and our last time out and a challenge
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Nov 12, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Even if it was not a first down by moving the spot of the ball forward we should have at least kept our timeout….. no?
The road to victory!
no,
Collinsworth explains that on the first challenge on McCoy, you still lose the challenge if you don’t get the first down. That seems stupid to me.
by Musiccitynorm on Nov 12, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s how it works… You get 2 challenges. If you use both, and both challenges result in a call reversal, you get an additional 3rd challenge. However, if a team uses both challenges and doesn’t get BOTH right, that’s it – No more challenges.
So had the refs gotten the call right and moved the spot on the McNabb sneak (which would have made the challenge successful), they still would be out of challenges since they were unsuccessful on the McCoy challenge.
Nice to be right
Its nice to shove this in those stupid Cowboy fan faces who were arguing that this call was right.
Even if it wasn’t a first down (and my review of the images shows it was), the Eagles still would’ve had a time out. That’s a huge deal.
Of course it was a blown call
It’s obvious. That is what happen when you have the same moron who made the Tuck Rule in 2001 Playoffs…
Dude should’ve been canned a while ago.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
I figured it out!!!!!
Someone forgot to check the Ref’s hat…
by Sparki on Nov 12, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
O Snap hahaha
I wouldnt be surprised haha….And that’s Real Talk!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Real Talk hahahahahah
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
awesome.
Watch this play again and the line judge coming up from the bottom of the screen is at least half a yard further forward than the guy coming down I wish they went with his spot.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Now that I’ve thought about this and watched the replay entirely too much, I am thinking McNabb did a pretty shitty job here. He never extends his arms. Yes it’s risking a fumble but it’s 4th down. Had he extended his arms he makes the 1st with ease.
Who am I kidding they probably still would have blown the call.
The road to victory!
Good Game - Hard call
I can’t say whether or not it was a first down or if it would have mattered. The pictures shown as proof are not concrete enough only because the pictures being matched to one another are the incorrect pictures. There was forward progress before Mc Nabb’s elbow hit the ground. So It might be better if we can get the pic where forward progress is displayed then compare it to the sticks. Not that it would matter much now but it would be nice to see.
BS - Easy Call
Calling it on the field is hard, but he had all the time in the world to review.. he should have made the right (and then easy) call that the ball was not placed where it was taken to.. and moved it. If that position was a First Down or not doesn’t matter, at the very least he stole a time out… Reversing the call and moving the ball doesn’t mean first down (that depends on where he puts it), but it does mean we don’t get charged that last timeout…
Basically
We beat ourselves and lost to a mediocre team. The refs didn’t help, and if a couple of things went the other way we could have won this thing by about two touchdowns.
But we didn’t. And you know what? It hurts, but this team needed a wake-up call. I’d rather lose to the Cowboys and play like a team that is capable of beating the Saints than continue to sleepwalk through the season.
One play that sticks out in my mind is-
and this is actually a compliment to demarcus ware, but if he doesnt hit mcnabb’s arm as he threw that bomb to maclin its 6 points. Maclin split the D perfectly. Literally 1/10 of a second makes the difference there
Dont Disrespect the Level
Yup, Dallas is totally mediocre….hence why they are 2 plays away from being 8-0 instead of being 6-2 and on top of the division.
Is it that hard for you guys to admit that both Dallas and Philly are good teams, and BOTH will make the post season?
Yes
Because Dallas isn’t that good. They are are decent 9-7 type team. But they are not “2 plays away from being 8-0”. That’s like the saying the Eagles are 3 plays away from being 8-0.
Haha
“That’s like the saying the Eagles are 3 plays away from being 8-0.”
Can’t argue that!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
thats a retarded argument dude
in that case, we are one good spot away from beating you.
Dont Disrespect the Level
wake up call?
Should that not have been losing to the Raiders? Dallas is not a mediocre team, its obvious they are a very talented football team, come on now.
by PhilsForever on Nov 13, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
whine a lil more
Philly had 2nd and 1 and didn’t make it…3rd and 1 and didn’t make it…4th and 1 and didn’t make it. There were WAY more bad calls that went Philly’s way. The PI on Witten?? PLEASE!!! The NON PI on Maclin? That was worse…the non PI on Asante Samuel where he tried to arrest Roy Williams in the end zone? Philly had their chances to win and didn’t get it done. Plain and simple
Actually the point is that they DID make on 4th and 1. Jeez. Again 44-6 playoff type game > 20-16 November game. Remember last year the first game was also lost by 4 points.
How true! +1
Remember last year the first game was also lost by 4 points.
But I’m tellin u man, dont waste ur time with these “Dallas Fans”! U can’t take them seriously. There only talkn cuz they beat us last game. If they lost..they would have no argument! They’ve been hold this in since we KILLED them 44-6 last season. This is their celebration! And I find it very amusing!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Foreal man
It’s all about how u finish!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
There were WAY more bad calls that went Philly’s way. The PI on Witten?? PLEASE!!! The NON PI on Maclin? That was worse…the non PI on Asante Samuel where he tried to arrest Roy Williams in the end zone?
Yeah, except those calls were never officially proven to be incorrect in a public statement by the Vice Freakin President of NFL Officiating.
I’m not going to sit here and act like the Eagles victory was a lock if that challenge overturned the play, but I definitely think it’s bullshit that we never got the chance to find out.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Nov 12, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
you answered my point as we never got a chance to find out the outcome if the Samuel PI was called right.....thanks for proving our point
even if you never meant too. See how easy it is not to be biased when in the same sense you are being selfish to calls going against you?
Yeah but you still missed my point. The “Samuel PI” was never publicly acknowledged, nor was it admitted that the called was botched. So, in a sense, that one exists only in the minds of Cowboys fans.
The 4th and 1 call was addressed and explained as incorrect, while the Samuel PI was not. That is the major difference between the two, so I really didn’t prove your point at all.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Nov 13, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Waaaayyhhhhh wu wu Waaaayyhhhhh
Get over it. If they had played better, this play would not have made any difference!
I guess we’ll have to blow out every team from now on, just in case a pivotal call doesn’t go our way.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Nov 12, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really man...Really!
Waaaayyhhhhh wu wu Waaaayyhhhhh
Are u serious! Wow.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
you aren't an easgles fan
you are a cowboys fan who just set up an account today so you could pretend to be an eagles fan and talk shit. seriously, do something with your life. maybe you’ll even get a real-life big boy job like us.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Nov 12, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
OK SERIOUSLY...
LETS GET THIS OUT IN THE OPEN… HOW MANY OF YOU TROLLING DALLAS FANS ARE FROM THE DALLAS/FORT WORTH AREA? FROM THE THE STATE OF TEXAS? I’LL EVEN GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT IF YOU ARE FROM SOUTH OF TENNESSEE… FAMILY ORIGINALLY FROM DALLAS? HECK, I WILL EVEN BE COOL WITH THE FACT THAT YOU’RE FROM VIRGINIA AND YOUR DAD WAS A COWBOYS FAN AND HE SUCKERED YOU IN…
EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT…. MY BET IS ZERO!!!!
Dont Disrespect the Level
I have lived in Mesquite, Texas my whole life excluding 2 years when I stayed at a beach house in crystal beach. Incase , you dont know which I am sure of this, Mesquite is in SE Dallas county. So I guess you lose the bet right :)
well good for you man!
I have no problems with you being a flamingly flambouant dallas fan.
But i think you know what kind of people i am talking about.
Dont Disrespect the Level
YOU ARE AN IDIOT
I have argued this with ByeDawk :( so many times, this is the most retarded argument in the world and the only people that seem to be truly bothered by the number of Cowboys fans spread out across the country is you Eagles fans. GET OVER IT!
Wow you all need to grow up
If we need to blow 2 timeouts for a few inches that is on us. Are we actually going to blame the refs? It wasn’t even a first down. I’m more worried about the fact that we can’t get a few inches then I am on blaming the refs. We played bad, Dallas played better, end of story.
Even with an extra timeout, Reid still opts for a FG instead of going for it on 4th down, and Dallas needs an extra first down that seemed like it would come with ease how the defense was playing at the end. Even if they don’t get it, we’d get the ball back with like 30 seconds left and attempt to drive down the field with no timeouts.
Let it go, both teams played bad but we played worse. Focus on San Diego and hope to god we don’t get into another 4th and inches if the game is close, cause its embarrasing how we can’t convert those.
Serbia
The point here is we can convert those, in fact short yardage has been awesome for the eagles this year apart from the dallas game, they have converted like 70 percent this year, so its actually against the norm if they DONT convert, hence even more frustration with such a pivotal missed call.
by PhilsForever on Nov 13, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
When it matters
It doesn’t seem like we convert. I watched the video of that play a million times, and the ball never breaks that end of the beak. From the pictures we can see that the first down marker is about 6-8 inches from the end of the beak. This play didn’t lose us the game, not even close.
by Team Serbia on Nov 13, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Do you agree...
The spot should have been moved? If you agree that, then we lost a very valuable time out, and a chance to remeasure for the first down, to say this call did not affect the game is to be completely blind, to me it is blatantly obvious it affected the outcome of the game whether it would have been a first down or not.
by PhilsForever on Nov 13, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Tell me how it affects it?
I do believe the spot should have been moved, so yes we save a time out. How would it change the outcome much? After the first play they ran, Reid would have called a time out, as its the logical thing to do. Romo still completed his pass to Witten for a first down, and therefore game over. But lets say things change with the timeout, and they are forced to punt. We get the ball back with less than a minute and no timeouts. Do you think we would have scored a TD? Mcnabbs not known for being clutch, but lets looks past that. Dallas would run a prevent defense and disable a long play. So barring some practically impossible drive, we still lose.
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