Stats that will make your eyes bleed (mostly because of the formatting)
by DownHillBradley on Oct 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
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McNabb stats to follow...
To start, this is a response to Whodie whom I respect, but disagree with when it comes to McNabb.
Background: I picked these stats because I thought they would be a good indicator of validity of the typical Donavan detractors’ arguments.
Group 1 – The ability to drive towards the endzone index
We have seen our Eagles struggle many times to move the ball into scoring position and sustain drives.
Group 2 – The redzone
Same as group 1 but in the redzone.
Group 3 – Close game index
When the game is within 7 (either losing or winning) who steps up and who chokes?
Group 4 – Come from behind index
When you need good play to win who can you count on?
Situational Stats – Field Position Opp 49-20 - QB Rating
2009 – 2008 – 2007 – 2006 - 2005
Mcnabb - 59.8-82.4-87.7-87.9-68.6
Manning – 125.9-77.6-107.2-81.4-108.3
Brady- 107.9-(NA)-104.9-69.3-79.3
Rothlisberger-105.3-76.8-118.1-86.0-76.7
Situational Stats – Field Position Opp 49-20 – TD’s (1st Down %)
2009 – 2008 – 2007 – 2006 - 2005
Mcnabb – 2(16%)- 5(35%)-4(38%)-7(34%)-1(27%)
Manning – 6(41%)-4(35%)-11(41%)-5(39%)-10(47%)
Brady- 6(38%)-(NA)-10(41%)-4(32%)-5(37%)
Rothlisberger-4(45%)-4(36%)-10(49%)-6(44%)-3(42%)
Situational Stats – Field Position Opp 19-1- QB Rating
2009 – 2008 – 2007 – 2006 - 2005
Mcnabb – 121.3-90.1-88.3-82.8-88.0
Manning – 89.3-111.5-83.1-97.6-110.4
Brady- 94-(NA)-108.8-104.5-92.5
Rothlisberger-117-95-99.3-64.7-112.5
Situational Stats – Field Position Opp 19-1- TD’s (1st Down %)
2009 – 2008 – 2007 – 2006 - 2005
Mcnabb – 2(60%)-20(33%)-12(26%)-13(22%)-12(44%)
Manning – 7(36%)-20(44%)-19(33%)-26(43%)-15(33%)
Brady- 8(24%)-(NA)-40(43%)-23(36%)-22(42%)
Rothlisberger-6(35%)-13(35%)-24(40%)-11(28%)-19(47%)
Situational Stats – Margin 0-7 (QB Rating)
2009 – 2008 – 2007 – 2006 - 2005
Mcnabb –66.3-75.7-85.2-86.0-79.1
Manning – 110.3-94.7-80.2-96.4-66.2
Brady- 85.6-(NA)-94.7-75.0-101.7
Rothlisberger-88.5-78.7-90.9-91.1-94.2
Situational Stats – Behind by 1-8 (QB Rating)
2009 – 2008 – 2007 – 2006 - 2005
Mcnabb – 61.4-127.4-103.9-68.1-98.9
Manning – 120.4-100.4-73.7-95.6-111.2
Brady- 86.5-(NA)-141.7-75.1-53.3
Rothlisberger-115.8-119.4-122.9-76.9-117.4
Analysis:
Group 1 - McNabb is not even in the ballpark. Being last is one thing, not even being close is another.
QB Rating – Last (McNabb Avg: 77.28, Group Avg: 94.6)
TDs – Last (McNabb Avg: 3.8, Group Avg: 6.3)
1st Down % - Last (McNabb Avg: 30%, Group Avg: 40.5%)
Group 2 - McNabb is not even close again, but you know that because you’ve seen our redzone offense.
QB Rating – Last (McNabb Avg: 94.1, Group Avg: 98.6)
TDs – Last (McNabb Avg: 11.8, Group Avg: 18.1)
1st Down % - 3rd (McNabb Avg: 37%, Group Avg: 37%) – Note: McNabb’s number is inflated by the 60% for this year, I doubt that holds.
Group 3 - McNabb is right where we thought he’d be. Not elite, not even that good.
QB Rating – Last (McNabb Avg: 78.5, Group Avg: 89.2)
Group 4 - Forget McNabb when looking at this one. I shouldn’t have to prove he’s not clutch we know that, although the numbers do agree. Take a look at Rothlisberger now that is a guy you want leading your team when you’re down! I knew he we good when his team needed points (Super Bowl) but these numbers are crazy good.
QB Rating – Last (McNabb Avg: 91.9, Group Avg: 100.7)
Justification:
I think these stats are fair because McNabb apologist generally call him a Hall of Fame QB. Also, all of these QB’s suffered serious injuries that affected their play and stats during these years (Car accident, knee infection, and knee explosion), so no excuses for McNabb and his ACL recovery year.
In summary: Zero rings, bad accuracy, not good in big games or any close game. McNabb is a very good QB. Hall of Fame? No. He is not untouchable and if his play is costing the team victories he should be benched like any other player who hurts the team.
All Stats came from NFL.com “player” then “situational stats”
If you want to see the heart of a champion, Cliff Lee is still pitching. Please turn on the game.
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this isn't baseball
this stats dont really show how bad or how good someone is. It may be a starting point, but to base mcnabb’s career on these stats is absolutely ridiculous and not at all justifiable…just my opinion
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Oct 28, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think that football is the ultimate team sport and it’s never one guys fault. What your analysis failed to cover was the fact that without a running game, it’s a whole lot easier for defenses to cover our WR’s and tight ends, thus making ti more difficult to move the ball effectively. Coaching and injuries are more to blame than McNabb himself.
by rharris0127 on Oct 29, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they aren't covering that well
our guys are getting open. When WRs are getting open and not getting the ball then it falls squarely on the quarterback and to a large extent the o-line as well.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 29, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's tough
A QB’s performance relies on so many factors around them. A number of McNabbs poor performances I really blame a game plan that gave him no help with the ground game to ease up the pressure (namely Oakland this year, and Cincy last year)…
I don’t think McNabb is beyond criticism because he’s had a great career. I’m not taking anything away from his career by questioning whether he is the best option moving forward. I’m certainly not as pissed right now as I was in that three game stretch last year where he gave up like 7 turnovers (between picks and fumbles) in 3 games.
I still think he’s our guy, but I may change my mind if he doesn’t get this offense moving against Dallas and New York
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just because I wouldn’t take McNabb over Brady or Peyton doesn’t mean he’s still not one of the better QBs in the league. We could be MUCH worse off at the QB position. Maybe I just appreciate McNabb more than a lot of people because I remember the days BEFORE him when I begged for someone with just half of his talent.
He’s easy to criticize, yea, and a lot of the times he deserves it. But there’s one thing I try not to do and that’s complain about a QB after a win. He did enough to win. Let’s give the guy a break for a week, sheesh.
by Q27 on Oct 29, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
no wonder espn keeps bringing up the ’99 draft
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by immynimmy on Oct 29, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^ that was me being dumb
does anyone else remember the cardinals game where he played on a broken friggin foot and threw for over 300 yds and 3 tds
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Oct 29, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
And Philadelphia fans wonder why they get called unappreciative. All the teams with QB problems would love to have McNabb. Thank god people most haters are fans because they don’t know anything about football business.
by macjack09 on Oct 29, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's a huge demand for him..despite what Wilma says.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 29, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish you were right
if only some other team would be stupid enough to take mcnabb off our hands… god please let my prayers be answered… take him away… anywhere… puleeeeeeze!!!!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 29, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for putting in the work although its totally speculative and rediculous
looking down the carts you had McNabb was not consistently last in any of the seasons as a matter of fact some of toughs he even won for the stats for the season. another thing you don’t have up there which is one of McNabb’s greatest strengths is interceptions. I guarantee that he has less interceptions in every season that you listed than toughs other QBs. As a matter of fact I know he does cause I just looked it up haha every year less against every player you paired him against (except Brady last year obviously). Also we the eagles have been a worse team than the Patriots, Colts, and the Steelers for all toughs years. And as Q27 said just because I wouldn’t take him over those QBs doesn’t mean McNabb isn’t stall a great player. Also I don’t really think your an ass just a little bit of a bad opinion haha
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 29, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by 'toughs' did you mean 'those'?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah lol
thats what I get for posting at 3 am, I also did home work same spelling woes
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 29, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
yeah, i’ve done too many late night multi-beer posts myself
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my thing… I know Jaws had the same affect on Eagle fans… he was hated, he was loved and he was appreciated and underappreciated. I don’t know anyone who hates him now. I think once McNabbs gone… people will learn to appreciate what we had and how good he was. Its unfortunate that it won’t happen now but it will. Especially if he leaves and does well somewhere else or we get a QB to fill in that turns out to be worse. JMHO
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 29, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I for once won't care when McNabb is gone
It’s so refreshing to see another qb when mcnabb is injured to lead WRs, throw in tight coverages, and lead a sustained drive.. Celek is a monster of a pass catcher but the only time mcnabb looks his way is in a check down and throws him a laser either at his feet, or behind him.
I want a QB, not a play maker. I want a pocket passer, not an athlete. I want someone to be consistent, not just and make a big play every drive… We have the athletes to make the plays, we just need to put the balls in their hands(not their feet.)
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ooohhhhh my god YES!
at least im not the ONLY one who sees it this way (and yes jalarsen i know youve backed me up and its appreciated)
You dont like my IGGLES???!!!! well you can just suck my VICK!
by northern eagle on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right with ya buddy!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check out my comment at the bottom “more stats”…I’m curious what your thoughts are
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 1, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to hear where your comming from Joe man
but one of the biggest things about McNabb though is that he has lead us to all these play off appearances and although he has never gotten it done how do we know Kolb isn’t an even worse clutch QB(tony romo status). All I’m saying is before we go running this guy out of town lets not forget what he has been able to do.
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him credit
He’s done some good things for this team. I don’t know that Kolb is the answer, but theres only one way to find out
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 29, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great answer
and with that I feel like you and I are EXACTLY on the same page (even though you recently called me fuck face)
We know what we have with McNabb, and it’s not bad. If we had a worse team, like we’ve had over this past decade, we would need a real playmaker at QB who had the ability to take the game on his shoulders.
Our team is SO talented right now, but we don’t get to see it because Andy/Marty and McNabb are acting as if it’s all still on McNabb’s shoulders. We don’t need McNabb to be a Superstar, we have a dozen superstars who just need to get the ball into their hands on a consistent basis.
Maybe Kolb comes in and he’s worse…the fact is, he’s not nearly the athlete McNabb is, and there’s a chance that he will be worse. But therein lies the beauty. Andy’s game plan for a worse QB (Garcia/Feeley/Kolb) is to get the ball quickly into the hands of our guys, and we sustain drives and have a consistent offense.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but i don’t want to see him (mcnabb) or anyone get injured… just get him off the team… send him packing… anywhere but on the eagles… i read today he is practicing his footwork… it seems that’s the problem… NOT!!!!!! let me add a few more thoughts about mcloser…. i don’t think i’ll ever be able to erase the image of him with his sullen face trying to turn away from T.O. while T.O. was telling him to suck it up and be a leader when the team was getting blown out a few years ago… it was pathetic… can anyone (and that includes all the s***fer brains digitheads who love the guy) possibly imagine montana… young…. manning (any of them)… garcia… jurgensen… farve… any other qb… good, bad or indifferent possibly being dressed down on the sidelines by anyone let alone T.O…. mcnabb is the sorriest assed fake qb the history of the nfl… and i’m saying this as a fan who has nevered booed any player from any team in any sport in my life… i’ve even cheered the eagles when they lost by over 50 points to the giants before most of you were born… i cheered them in the dark days when pete liske, george mira, king hill, norm sneed, etc. just to name a few of the “greats” were playing… its time to move on… bring on kolb and if he isn’t the answer then find someone but please…. no more mcnabb!!! enough is enough and forget the footwork….
by toofunny777 on Oct 29, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one takes you seriously
because your emotion is unmerited. You might not like McNabb, but you can’t make a rational argument that he’s bad.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 29, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Response to McNabb's Lack of INTs
You know what, McNabb may lead the league forever in not throwing INTs but all I gotta say is it’s pretty hard to throw INTs when 50% of your balls are directly into the God D@mn dirt! I have watched this guy for years get carried by the defense and swing passes to Westbrook and it is about time he was called on the carpet for his lack of true ability. The point is this guy is NOT a hall of famer just like Randall is NOT a hall of famer. Win us a Super Bowl puker, then we’ll talk! What T.O. said was true if we would have had Favre in the SB against the Pats we would have won!
by TheDuke314 on Oct 29, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
duke
you are soooooooooooooo right…. mcnabb is fake… T.O. was wrong though about having farve in the sb… or not really wrong…. if we’d had anybody but mcnabb the eagles would have won… well, maybe not anybody….my x mas wish is to see reid and company hoodwink some other team give up a high round draft choice for him… preferably some other team in the division so he can drag them down…. go phils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First … I love the title …
Second … I’m glad I inspired your post
Finally … shouldn’t we take into account downs? other personnel? teams played against? why did you pick 2005? 2005 McNabb played the better part with a sports hernia … 2006 McNabb tore his ACL and Meniscus he was having a bad year but so was the ENTIRE team …. 2007 McNabb was returning from ACL surgery.
Stats are fun because you can pretty much make them prove your point within reason. McNabb is not without his flaws but I’ll take him as my QB over some of the other bums in the league any day. Peytons and Brady’s don’t come around every day.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 29, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very true
could not agree with you more man
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 29, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Whodie. NOTHING else should be considered AT ALL. Not downs, not teams played, not injuries (doesn’t he still have an unhealed broken rib? Oops, can’t consider that) … you’re detracting from the fun of piling on one player on a roster of 53. Life will be easier when you figure this out… When the Eagles win, it’s the defense — plain and simple. When they lose, it’s McNabb. The patchwork offensive line, predictive play calling, dropped passes (yes, coupled with bad throws) are all simply a result of one player: McNabb.
Let’s burn this 4-2 season to the ground and start fresh!
Smack it up, flip it, rub it down... OH NOOOooo!
by J800 on Oct 30, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
J800
you are right except it might not be necessary to burn the season… we all know (delusionals aside) that mcnabb is worthless but that doesn’t mean kolb can’t get the job done… maybe he can’t either but a little fresh air would help…back on the subject of mcloser… the primary thing to consider in breaking down performance in a team sport is respective roles and responsibilities… clearly the role of the qb as the leader on the field is the most crucial to the success of the offense… its his responsibility pure and simple… no one elses… when the offense continually sputters and wheezes along (as the eagles does with mcloser) then its time for a change… all the absurdly concocted stats and excuses the apologists come up with can’t cover up the endless 3 and outs… the 3 yd passes skipping along in the dirt… the inability to make good quick decisons under pressure… injuries don’t count… leaky lines don’t count… dropped balls don’t count…. they are excuses… there is always a counter to everything… that’s the game and the its the qb’s responsibility to adapt and find it….. let’s kiss mcloser goodbye and good ridence and move on!!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 30, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don’t understand sarcasm … do you
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 30, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that made me laugh.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious what your thoughts are
concerning my comment at the bottom “more stats”
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats Are Deceiving.....
Stats don’t tell the whole story when it comes to the quarterback position and that of leadership. With all the records that Dan Marino had he never won a super bowl. What does that say about him?? With Jim Kelly as quarterback, Buffalo went to the superbowl 3-4 times and never won. What does that say about Jim Kelly. Even John Elway was known as a loser until he won back to back superbowls late in his career. If you compare Joe Montana’s stats with Dan Marino’s, I’m sure ole Dan’s stats would well ahead of ole Joe’s…..but who has the superbowl rings. And as great as Brett Farve is, he leads all quarterbacks with interceptions. What does that say about him?? Also when you look at the receivers that these other quarterbacks had to throw to, they were quality receivers. When it was McNabb to Owens the Eagles went to the superbowl and both receiver and quarterback had a tremendous year. Over the years during the Andy Reid-McNabb time the receivers have been average at best.
I’m glad that McNabb is our quarterback. And once the Eagles win the superbowl, he’ll have that monkey off his back and maybe more people will realize just how good he really is.
by Virgoman3 on Oct 31, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what we have with McNabb
We have a tremendous athlete, with a big arm, and the ability to pull off the impossible.
Here’s what we don’t have with McNabb: an accurate QB with the ability to deliver a quick ball to his playmakers to keep the chains moving in a consistent offense.
For several years this decade we did not have playmakers, and we needed McNabb to put the game on his shoulders, we love him for that! Right now, we don’t need that. Right now we just need a QB to get the ball to any of the plethora of playmakers we have. McNabb seems to be having trouble with a quick, short, accurate throw. Our offense is not clicking, and while we might pull off a big play or two, we’re not sustaining drives.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 1, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hes been here 11 years
We know what we have in him.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 31, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’d be interested to see the comment below “More Stats”
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 1, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Stats:
The argument against McNabb basically says: He’s been awesome for us; especially for the several years this decade where we didn’t have playmakers, and we needed a QB who could take the game on his shoulders. However, we are right now LOADED with playmakers, and we simply need a QB that can get the ball quickly and accurately into the hands of those playmakers. The following stats are from the season as a whole, keep in mind McNabb has played 4 games, and Kolb 2:
Avant from McNabb: 2 catches, 30 yards, 2 first downs
Avant from Kolb: 9 catches, 93 yards, 1TD, 6 first downs
Celek from McNabb: 17 catches, 178 yards, 1 TD, 7 first downs
Celek from Kolb: 16 catches, 208 yards, 1 TD, 9 first downs
Jackson from McNabb: 11 catches, 173 yards, 1 TD, 6 first downs
Jackson from Kolb: 10 catches, 250yds, 2TDs, 8 first downs
Why has Kolb completed more passes for more yards, for more TDs, for more 1st downs to almost every one of our consistent playmakers? Avant is a third down DEMON, and McNabb has completed only 2 passes to him in 4 games! Celek is awesome for a first down, and great with yards after the catch and Kolb has gotten equal (or slightly better) production from the TE in HALF THE TIME) Even our big game threat in Jackson seems to get twice the production from Kolb (I know he returned a punt TD against Car, and a TD against Wash was a handoff…I also know McNabb had a big game to Maclin, but I couldn’t include him b/c he didn’t start until Tampa)
My question is: Why isn’t McNabb utilizing our consistent guys?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Nov 1, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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