Offense is in trouble...
by Gdog2009 on Oct 27, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
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Desean Jackson has become our new most dangerous weapon with Westbrook out and maybe not what he used to be (he may never be what he used to be either). Without Desean we may lose this game which is really troubling.
Sure they won 27-17 but it should have been 48-17. And without Will Witherspoons gift score who knows if we even win with Desean's breakout plays. The defense played strong overall, but Mcnabb was bouncing balls in the dirt, overthrowing receivers and the running game was next to nothing. The wildcat is a failed experiment at this point.
Are Weaver, Celek and Avant still on the team ?
The Giants have their own issues BUT...they got steamrolled in New Orleans as everyone is this season but played the defending NFC champions down to the wire. They better fix it...soon.
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Will bwest be back this week?
I do agree that he’s not what he used to be
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 27, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That win was huge. Nobody wants to admit it but the Eagles put up the most points vs. the Redskins. Total and offensively. After last night the Redskins are now 6th is points given up. We put more points offensively and totally then the Giants did. And the Giants were home, and we gave up the same exact amount of points as the Giants. Everyone needs to chi// out.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Oct 27, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing to be happy about, we had the ball turned over like 3 time in Redskins territory.
Also, they gave us six on the Witherspoon play.
We didn’t win, Washington just lost. They gave us the game.
The first Jackson TD was worthy of Merit, and maybe the second. Thats it.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Maybe” the second?
How is 3-and-23, long bomb to the endzone “maybe” worthy of merit? It looked like a great route, a good throw (a little underthrown, but hey). The worst part about the TD was the DJax jig afterwards!
I’m as soured on McNabb right now as anyone, but you can’t say that was a bad play because it was a little underthrown.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 27, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea.
Everyone assumes that because their offense is horrendous that they are a terrible team all around. Their defense really isn’t bad at all. McNabb left something to be desired yesterday, but once again he was often dealing with quick pressure since this is the 1,560th version of the offensive line so far this season.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kolb faced the same pressure. No excuses by me for McNabb. He still holding the ball toooo long.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like he has broken ribs or anything…
Seriously, he gives us the best chance to win now with his veteran experience.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Oct 27, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if his ribs are broken
then why not let them heal all the way while playing crappy teams? Based on what we saw, it’s not like Kolb couldn’t have beaten the ‘Bucs, Redskins and Raiders. Healthy McNabb gives us the better chance to win, but if he’s injured and it’s hindering his play, Kolb would have been a better option now (he can run the offense well) and for the future (McNabb could come back 100% healthy)…maybe he’d have a little rust, though.
by eagleyosh on Oct 27, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just liking the change of pace between Kolb and McNabb
McNabb is by far the better QB, but Kolb looked good running that offense. He sustaines drives consistently. At least putting you in field goal position. I like his quick throws, and ability to work the short thows. He is really accurate and aggressive with his throws. McNabb has a far superior arm and will throw less picks. But Kolb is willing to make quick short throws to his receivers. He stays in the pocket and delivers quick plays while taking the hit. He has improved his decision making, and doesn’t hold the ball too long. And he also improved his pocket presence. McNabb is one of the best ever in the pocket, as he feels the rush so good. But McNabb is known to hold the ball too long and not make the risky throw. So Kolb will throw way more picks than McNabb.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Kolb will throw way more picks than McNabb.
And this is desirable? I’d rather have an extra 6 incompletions than an interception or two. Sure those risky throws are nice when they work, but when one is taken the other way for six or gives up field position in a tight game everyone will blow their lid. Basically, no one is going to be happy until we sign Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. And we aren’t getting either of them in case anyone is actually wondering.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’d rather have an extra 6 incompletions than an interception or two."
+10
Smack it up, flip it, rub it down... OH NOOOooo!
by J800 on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying this for a week now
Some people just don’t get it.
by cwel87 on Oct 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is desirable,
Because the bad comes with a good. More first downs, more yardage, more field goals, more TDs, etc.
Its nice to protect the ball, but a QB has gotta find a way to make tight passes. Kolb is willing to do it, McNabb isn’t.
Favre and Cutler will make those throws, and even Breese and Manning. But McNabb is not willing to run the risk. You can’t not throw the ball for fear of throwing a pick. Its like not driving for fear of getting in an accident.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre and Cutler?
I’ll say it again, 6 incompletions is light years better than an interception or two. The Vikings just lost a very winnable game because Favre tried to make those throws. Cutler has 10 picks so far this year! 10! You want that over some incompletions? McNabb had no reason to make any tight passes yesterday. None. The Washington offense is terrible, so there was no reason to be risky. Nothing to be gained in a game with a good lead. McNabb is willing to make those throws when he needs to. He had a bad game against the Raiders, but yesterday it didn’t matter what his game looked like as long as we maintained control. Which we did. I’m sure this week will be more of a test since the Giants can score and we can’t just sit back on a lead.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
backups and fillins are supposed to "not lose" a game. Hall of Famers are supposed to win them.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
But you don’t need to try extra hard to win a game that’s already won. Why risk a turnover if there is little risk of losing in the first place? It doesn’t make sense. Hall of Famers also play smart. Use risk when risk is warranted. What about yesterday’s game made risk warranted? This isn’t college and score differential doesn’t count for anything. We were in control, McNabb didn’t do anything to change that. Are you really saying you’d rather have Cutler or Favre? The Vikings were in a position to win Sunday and Favre gunslinged them right out of position. I’ll take an incompletion over an interception, especially in a safe game, and I’ll take a boring win over a gutsy, exciting loss.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre no, Cutler (Well, let me think about it, Yes)
I see your arguement, I hope your right.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre (in his prime) > McNabb (in his prime)
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, sure.
But that was a good 5, 6 years ago at least.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10000
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding me?
Farve has another good ten years left in him.
Easy.
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think thats why some of us want Kolb
yeah he throws 10 yards vs.50…yeah he likes quick slants vs the longbomb to the wideout…but we win….due to clock management and ball control
You dont like my IGGLES???!!!! well you can just suck my VICK!
by northern eagle on Oct 27, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair
we’re 1-1 with Kolb…but I get what you’re saying. Even against NO, our offense seemed to be in sync and moving consistently
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 27, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quesion, where you at the skins game yesterday.
I don’t know who you are, but the camera panned over an Eagles fan girl that looks a lot like one of the girls in your Avatar Photo. Just wondering.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad Nola, I mean this reply for Eaglesgrl5, not you bro.
Please don’t beat me up for the mistake bro:P
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Oct 27, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good.
I figured it was a mistake since my avatar is a cartoon football player.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a guy on the Redskins throwing his helmet at his team’s bleachers that looked a lot like your avatar, though!
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 27, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Portis
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 27, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely was
at the game yesterday. I was sitting literally right above the Eagles tunnel.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 27, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Kolb will throw way more picks than McNabb.
In other words, Mcnabb gives us the best chance to win against better teams. Kolb makes quick accurate passes, yes, but he CANNOT read the defense as good as Mcnabb. He doesn’t have good vision, hence all the picks he has thrown. Those two pick 6’s to the Saints were horrendous. He does NOT even see Sharper there, just like the Ed Reed pick 6 in Baltimore. I will take balls in the dirt than pick 6’s any day.
Andy Reid has to live with Sunday's reality: He was out coached by Tom Cable. (John Clayton)
Since 2005: Andy Reid 37-32-1; 7-25-1 when tied or losing at halftime.
by Route36 on Oct 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait what?
have you seen mcnabb in the past two weeks? He doesnt even SEE wide open WRs with no one on them!
Give me a break. Kolb hasnt even started a full year and you’re saying hes going to throw more picks than Mcnabb?
You must be a kid too just like cwel87
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 27, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you must be an old fart who doesn’t know shit about football.
Andy Reid has to live with Sunday's reality: He was out coached by Tom Cable. (John Clayton)
Since 2005: Andy Reid 37-32-1; 7-25-1 when tied or losing at halftime.
by Route36 on Oct 27, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shut up kid
Youre an idiot
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I can gather all your dumb comments from this past week and made a post you will look like a bigger fool than JIBTA. I won’t stoop that low.
Andy Reid has to live with Sunday's reality: He was out coached by Tom Cable. (John Clayton)
Since 2005: Andy Reid 37-32-1; 7-25-1 when tied or losing at halftime.
by Route36 on Oct 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now kids...
I don’t want to have to separate you…
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed… I just want to enjoy the win. Last year the Skins weren’t all that good and the swept us. I appreciate any division win, especially on the road. I can admit the game could of been better but damn, we won! Lets use the momentum going into this coming week against the Giants!
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One positive thing I saw last night
Weaver picking up a 3rd and 1 early in the game. Before this game, of the 31- 3rd downs the Eagles offense attempted, 30 of them were pass plays. It was nice to see them get that 3rd and short and sustain the drive early in the game.
Smack it up, flip it, rub it down... OH NOOOooo!
by J800 on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha a nice win on the road against a division rival and now just 1 win out of first place and still so much negativity
by eaglesinmd on Oct 27, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We lost to Raiders and our offense can’t maintain a drive. There is plenty of reason for negativity.
by Team Serbia on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow we beat the Redskins
bust out the champagne.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 27, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how people distort others words on this blog, its really funny. what i am saying is you dont need to be negative all the time. 4-2 is a good record and its only a 1/2 game out of first. all this constant negativity is not neccissary
by eaglesinmd on Oct 27, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mcnabb is awful
last nights performance was another truly awful game from the league’s most overated player… mcnabb was just plain terrible… not one sustained drive against one of the worst teams in the nfl… with all that talent around him he still looked dreadful….how many 3 and outs??? how many 3rd and longs… how many balls thrown into the dirt? when is reid going to figure this out? mcnabb is a no talent lackluster loser…. what makes it worse is he actually thinks he deserves star respect… as average as garcia was, he was better on his worst day than bozo…. kolb?… hard to say if he has "it" but we know mcnabb does not!!!!!!!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously… you gonna post the same dame thing on multiple posts? Lame.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the worst teams in the NFL
but one of the best defenses. Our offensive ineptitude runs much deeper than one player.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eaglesgrl5
sure… at least what i said is true…. i’ve been an eagles fan since the days of tommy macdonald which gives me the right to post the same thing as many times as i want… just get that loser mcnabb out town… ship him to siberia… or better yet dallas or the giants or washington…. then we can win be sure of at least 6 wins a season… throw in a few other wins and as long as he plays the eagles are division champs…. just get him outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
You’re older than us so you can say whatever you please? freedom of speech, sure, but just because you might have been around when macdonald was playing doesn’t mean you’re not going to get called out when you say stupid comments like the one above.
by eagleyosh on Oct 27, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like to believe I'm a pretty nice guy ...
so here is what I’m going to do … I’m going to give you an opportunity to prove to me how McNabb is a no talent lackluster loser … go ahead … I’ll wait …
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whodies always on it....
Anyway,
More than six wins/ year?…you may have been a fan a long time…but where ya been the last 10 years?….
I've been sayin wait til next year for 31 years....
R.I.P. JJ
by DoctaWoo on Oct 27, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Whodie here.
If you feel the need to copy and paste across several posts, let’s see your proof that McNabb has no talent.
PS Inconsistency is not the same thing as talent. Sorry, that’s just a fact.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
you’d regret that statement pretty quickly if McNabb went to any of our Division Rivals
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old people can still be morons.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Oct 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look we all appreciate that you have an opinion… really we do… but please do have some kind of proof of the things you speak of. As of now McNabb is one of the best STATISTICAL QB in Eagles HISTORY. So surely you can find some proof in the words that you post since you have indeed been such a fan of the franchise for so long.
As for your comment of “then we can win be sure of at least 6 wins a season…” the last time the Eagles have failed to win at least 6 games in a season was back in 1999. So sir your argument and the ridiculous words you speak are rather irrelevant and severely lacking in any kind of merit.
by Two Nickels on Oct 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're an idiot!!!
I’ve been an Eagle fan since BEFORE Tommy McDonald. Without a doubt McNabb is the best QB in Eagle history. Maybe you long for the days of King Hill and Norman Snead. Personally, I have enjoyed the watching Eagles consistantly win with McNabb at QB. All he needs is a superbowl win and he walks into the HOF.
by EagleEd on Oct 28, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im def thrilled we got the W but.........................
besides the 2 big djax plays we looked like shit. Were not gonna beat the giants with the way our offense played in that game. Donavan looked HORRIBLE and thats being nice 2 say that.. He was constantly skipping balls all night and wat did he do just completely forget about Celek??? Anyway like i said a win is a win i just wish i was seeing a lil more consistency on offense. I do like our defenses chance agaist the Giants tho, if we put Q in the box 2 and shut down their run game theres no way their receivers can beat our corners in man coverage. I really hope Wesy is ok and can sumhow find a way 2 play, hes been a Giantkiller his whole career and no matter how hes doin during a season he always seems to make key plays when we play the Giants. Heres 2 hopin first and foremost that Brian is ok and its not 2 serious of a concussion, always scary, feel better my man …we need ur ass : )
by goldenbird09 on Oct 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We really do need Westy
he’s been pretty banged up this whole year…(have we gotten a full game out of him?) But he has looked effective in limited time
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stats are for fools....
thank you all for this dialogue… consider the fact that despite mcnabb’s 200 tds…. 30,000 yds passing plus ???? whatever running…. he has never once done the one thing that makes a player (qb) memorable and that is play a great game against a great team when it truly matters!!!!!!!!!!!!! he has never put together a great drive with time running out to win a big game (or any other for that matter)… with the one exception of the 4th and 26 or so to mitchell… that game was won, by the way, by akers kick!!!… also….the reason we were at 4th and 26 was because he put the team there… no matter how great you mcnabb excusers think he is…just picture the image of T.O. calling him out on the sidelines when the team was losing… just picture his slumped shoulders and despondent face… the body language always says it, “loser”… now i’m a true eagles fan… i love my philly teams but i’m not so enamored of meaningless stats that i lose sight of the obvious… as long as mcnabb is the qb no amount of talent will make the team any better than slightly above average…. and i’m getting tired of waiting… go phils.
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh I'm still waiting but I suppose I will be for a long long time ...
I understand you not liking stats in this particular situation because they completely contradict everything you are saying so I’ll throw some out there for yah.
Donovan McNabb is currently the Eagles all time passing record holder for Attempts 4,413 … Yards 30,088 … Completions 2,597 …. and TDs 200 …
Donovan McNabb is currently the TOP number 1 best in the NFL ALL TIME Carreer INT% at 2.1 or 91 INTs out of 4,413 attempts. He is second only to Brady as the NFL ALL TIME career TD/INT Ratio at 2.20 TDs/INTs and wait for it …. 3 behind Peyton and Brady in Highest Winning Percentage among active starting QBs at .648 or 85-46-1
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 27, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly above average?
Come on, really. Now you are just being plain silly.
The reason why some people are so frustrated with McNabb is because he is so amazingly good and he makes the team so great, that they can smell that Super Bowl win. They can taste it. But it’s just barely out of reach. I surprised at you.
This is no slighly above average team. No way in hell.
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Akers won the game with that kick
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That is the dumbest argument I have ever heard. By that logic, Tom Brady didn’t really lead the Patriots to their first Super Bowl victory; it was, after all, Adam Vinatieri who won the game with that kick. So, any time a kicker kicks a gw field goal, the quarterback does not deserve any credit. You are just wowing me with your incredible football knowledge.
As to your other point, about McNabb not playing well against good teams:
Playoffs last year. Against the Vikings, McNabb kept the ball moving up and down the field all game, taking us out of bad field position numerous times. His stats were not great, but he was a big part of keeping us in the lead until Westbrook finally broke the game open. Against the Giants, we had less than 40 rushing yards. McNabb threw a pick, but he also kept the Giants’ offense off the field against a very talented Giant defense. Against the Cardinals, he played poorly in the first half, but led us back from 18 points down to take the lead. One can argue that the defense really let us down at the end, not to mention that Kevin Curtis dropped a pass on the final drive that would have extended the game. During the season, he played great games against Dallas, Arizona, the Giants (twice) and good enough to win against Atlanta.
Going back, he took us to the Super Bowl with victories over Minnesota and Atlanta that year…obviously 4th and 26 the year before…and even when we lost to the Rams, people forget that we were down 13 points against the Greatest Show on Turft and McNabb brought us back, with Todd Pinkston and Co. nonetheless.
Ask Washington if they wouldn’t take McNabb at qb. Ask the Jets. Ask Tennessee. Ask Denver. McNabb has been an elite qb who has some flaws. Name me one elite qb that plays perfect all the time. Drew Brees threw three picks last week against the 2-4 Dolphins. Bring the backup! Tom Brady was not impressive to start the year. Looks like the should have kept Cassel!
by tanman5 on Oct 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Going back, he took us to the Super Bowl with victories over Minnesota and Atlanta that year…obviously 4th and 26 the year before
Where was I with these mysterious super bowl appearences?
You dont like my IGGLES???!!!! well you can just suck my VICK!
by northern eagle on Oct 27, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
prooof that mcnabb is a loser... to NOLACuse, etc.
no super bowl titles… no great come from behind drives… he’s the greg norman of football… all swagger and no substance… for those who think 90 mph balls in the dirt are a thing of beauty… or like to see the team go 3 and out over and over…. for those of you who think not knowing how many time outs are remaining is an indication of leadership… or not knowing an NFL game can end in tie… fine… mcnabb’s your guy… as for the person who said i’d regret it if mcnabb played for one of the other division teams… why would i regret winning those games?? to “whodie126” …everything you said is true but like every other person who relies on stats, you miss the point… in human performance its the “intangibles” that matter…stats only serve to quantify longevity…so what if you last forever? it doesn’t mean you won…greg norman as an example had great stats… he was still a choker (i know its not comparing athletes of the same sport but i stand by the relevance of the psychic comparison between he and mcnabb… i see the same pathetic body language and empty excuses in the two of them). to “igglegreen”… you are also right… the team is better than “slightly above average” but the results will be the same… medicority as long as mcnabb is the qb…for those who think multiple division titles without the “big one” is good enough…. remember the vikings or the bills teams that climbed the mountain time and time again ony to lose the big game… is that what you want??? ask their fans how it was for them… i would imagine they were very disappointed….i would imagine they would have liked to have seen their teams win the super bowl…well, i’d like to see the eagles win and it ain’t happenin with mcnabb at the helm… not this year… not ever!!!! if you like coming up short he’s your man… .he’s not mine… go phils!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok now that my eyes have stopped bleeding ...
your argument is superbowl titles? so Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Dan Marino, Ron Jaworski, Sonny Jurgensen, Doug Flutie, Archie Manning … they were all no talent lackuster losers?
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can’t forget Fran Tarenton, Dan Fouts, Boomer Esiason, Dave Krieg, Ken Anderson, Jim Evertt and John Hadl – all in the HOF w/o SB rings.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stats only serve to quantify longevity
some do, but the TD:INT ratio is what we like to call normalized…you can play for 1 year or 10 years, but if you throw 1 TD for every 1 INT, it’s gonna be a 1:1 ratio.
why would i regret winning those games??
you mean like the one that we won last night? and had mcnabb been on the skins instead of campbell, we’d might have lost?
in human performance its the "intangibles" that matter
ahh yes…intangibles…the things that can’t be argued objectively. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.
well, i’d like to see the eagles win and it ain’t happenin with mcnabb at the helm… not this year… not ever!!!!
err…who do you think we should start? I found most people that hate mcnabb also claim Kolb is a bum, and Vick is an egregious human being. Who should it be? Starting caliber QBs are not easy to come by.
by eagleyosh on Oct 27, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Reply!
+1
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 27, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasnt just this game
All year, the teams been putting up a good amount of points, but the offense hasnt really done much. Its either the big play or the defense setting it up. How many times has the offense taken the ball from the 20 yard line and moved the ball down the field without the big play? Its starting to get concerning.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
philiafan14364
the reason the team dosen’t move the ball in sustained rives is because they don’t have a qb
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, we have a QB… just not one thats playing very well at the moment.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about last year
Against the Giants and Vikings (two of the best defenses in the NFL), McNabb moved the ball up the field with short passes and allowed us to win the field position and time of possession battle without a running game.
We have a qb. It’s one thing to criticize; it’s another to rip on our players with irrational and idiotic statements like that.
by tanman5 on Oct 27, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jim... you're right
the qbs you mentioned were not lackluster losers… that said they all would have traded all their other accomplishments for a sb ring… to mention mcnabb in the same breath as any of them is sacrilige…
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You just said
That it is sacrilege to mention McNabb in the same breath as Doug Flutie. Seriously, I’m sure Jerry Jones wants more fans, what are you waiting for? Go buy a Romo jersey
by tanman5 on Oct 27, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to agree with the Romo Jersey comment.
TF777 doesn’t seem to be much of an Iggles fan. Just cause you live doesn’t mean you can’t root for someone else.
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lemme restate that:
Toof: Just because you live doesn’t mean you have to root for the Iggles. Sounds like you’d be happier backing another team.
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
eagleyosh
the td:int passing ratio is a very misleading number…. as often as not in indicates a weakly formed psyche… in other words, fewer interceptions is, on the surface a good thing, but it also indicates a deeply ingrained fear of failure… it indicates an unwillingness to throw into tight coverage for fear of being made to look bad… the result, of course, is the interception is avoided but so is the possible touchdown… its a classic catch 22… take a chance and lose… or don’t take a chance and lose…. either way its a losing proposition…. for the most part, winning qbs have a lower td:int ratio because of their willingness to take the chance and throw the ball into tight coverage believing the possible reward of the win outweighs the risk of looking bad by being intercepted…mcnabb clearly is stuck in the lose:lose mentality… that said, he isn’t very accurate and can’t lead a receiver worth a damn. like i’ve been saying mcnabb is awful… for those of you who think i’m saying anyone would be better… i’m not… i’m saying the eagles are going nowhere with him… eagles fans deserve better than mcloser…. if you want to see the eagles actually become a winning team accept the fact he has to go.
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you should probably look some things up before you start spewing words out …. and learn how to use the reply button.
Explain to me how Brady, Peyton, and McNabb the QBs with the top 3 winning percentages also have the top 3 TD/INT ratio … this would directly contradict that rambling blob of text you just spent the past 4 hours typing.
for the most part, winning qbs have a lower td:int ratio because of their willingness to take the chance and throw the ball into tight coverage believing the possible reward of the win outweighs the risk of looking bad by being intercepted
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 27, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whodie
the td:int ratio is also reflective of accuracy (as well a “psyche”) which i mentioned … mcnabb is not an accurate passer at least compared Brady or Manning…and he certainly doesn’t have their “winning” pyschological make up (s)…. ask yourself who you’d rather have leading the eagles… mcnabb or (peyton… brady…. brees…. to name a few)
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mcnabb has one of the best td:int ratios in nfl history so im not sure what your trying to say right there
by eaglesinmd on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read the post
what i’m saying is that stat is not that important… and its not entirely indicative of skill as much as “risk avoidance”… i am also saying it takes guts to win… mainly, being more interested in winning than in being afraid of looking bad…
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll jump in here.
Good point, McNabb is not as accurate as those guys, but he still has a great TD:INT ratio which means he’s smart. He knows when he shouldn’t try to force a ball (unlike say, Favre) and that is reflected in his winning percentage. It seems you simply believe McNabb cannot win the Superbowl, no matter what anyone says. Some people said that about Jon Elway too. You claim to be a longtime Eagles fan, so you must remember that. Cowher was supposedly not the coach that could get the Steelers over the hump. There are way more good, and even great, QBs that have never won Superbowls than there are QBs that have won. Peyton Manning was once believed to lack a killer instinct as you accuse McNabb of lacking. These things are relative, but perspective is really needed. Otherwise we have to live our lives believing Dan Marino was a bum and Trent Dilfer was a good QB.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everything you said is true...
perspective is key… having been a fan of the eagles since the days of adrain burke… tommy macdonald…pete pihos… bobby walston etc. having frozen my ass off in franklin field watching the cowboys et al. beat the crap out of the eagles…or gone to the vet to see countless terrible eagles games, having listened to joe kuharich try to explain the logic of trading jurgensen for snead, and so forth and so on, you can be sure i find watching the eagles of the last ten years to be a great change for the better… but that does not do anything to change my mind about mcnabb… i am not about to delude myself by meaningless stats into thinking the guy is capable of winning a big game… the qbs you mentioned were great… marino… elway… cowher was a great coach… at the end of the day, greatness isn’t always about the skills… its about seizing the moment… like doug williams…namath…. montana… to name just a few…guys who rose to the occasion because they lived in the moment… mcnabb does not have it….he has a glass psyche… that does not mean kolb is the answer… (he might be… we don’t know)…
what i do know is mcnabb is not going to take this team to greatness!!! if he proves me wrong you bet i’ll be the first person to admit i was wrong and i’ll be a happy eagles fan to do so.
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You['re no fan,
you are a whining parisitic bitch-boy pretending to be a fan. You are the guy who thinks that my team sucks because they didn’t win you your Lombardi Trophy. As if you mattered. And then you just won’t shut up about the one tiny, lonely thought in your head that we have to… must… get rid of someone… I know, McNabb!! You are the first moron in the mob who picks up a pitch fork or a torch or club and starts the chanting of ‘kill the monster’. Your the one jackass in the crowd that throws batteries or beer. Your the drunk who has to try to take on the all the cops before they have spray mace in his eyes. Your the boob who screams curses at the top of his lungs in front of a 5 year old child. You voted for W in the second election and you’d vote for him again. (anyone catch that?) Your the jackass father who gets into fist fight because his kid isn’t getting to play short stop in t-ball. Your the guy who turns it from a game into something people fight over. You spit on the opposing team from the stands. You are the reason there is a holding cell in the stadium. YOU were the m-f-er who did boo santa claus. Not that fake clown who got drunk and pretended to be santa claus the day that the media knows about, you boo-ed the real santa claus when you ran him over with your hummer and butchered dancer for Christmas dinner. Clowns like you really make it an embarrasment to be a sports fan of any kind, for any team, anywhere ever. Please… Move to Iran.
Phew. Codeine is cool. I can barely feel the extraction.
Have a nice day,
IGGY
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
has your medication worn off???
stoned or not… you still have the brain of gnat… yesterday at least you had an excuse… today you’re just a dumb f***….
by toofunny777 on Oct 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so brady and manning have a good TD:INT ratio b/c they’re accurate. McNabb has a good TD:INT ratio because he’s a loser with a weak psyche. I know McNabb isn’t a very accurate passer, but as Whodie pointed out…a good TD:INT ratio is directly correlated with winning percentage….thus, McNabb is not a loser, but a winner.
by eagleyosh on Oct 27, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
this guy is just arguing for the sake of arguing he’s got no ground to stand on.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 28, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first … thanks for figuring out the reply button this makes things much easier to follow.
Second I understand that TD:INT ratio is reflective of accuracy but how is that McNabb doesn’t have their winning psychological make up.
Winning Percentages
Brady .780
Manning .676
McNabb .648
to be clear there is no one in between them those are your top 3 active NFL starters with at least 100 games … that’s it … wouldn’t that show you that he does have the “winning” psychological make up.
I’ll forgive you for switching your argument from Winning QBs take more chances and have worse TD:INT ratios because you were clearly proven wrong. But side stepping to this much weaker argument is no better.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time someone proves you wrong you move on to something else or sidestep the issue with a new, more ridiculous claim.
Try sticking to one argument and actually proving it before you move on. I am well aware that you can’t do that, however, so I suggest being quiet instead.
For the record, if you aren’t aware, opinion does not count as fact when trying to prove or disprove something.
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
75% probability that TooFunny is JIBTA.
Same grammar problems, same writing voice, same opinionfacts, same pathological inability to shut up. He showed up around the same time that JIBTA went into hiding after the “Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong” post. If this isn’t JIBTA, I’ll eat my foam head Eagle toy.
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Donovan Mcnabb, last year, in the Conference Championship game, take back the lead after throwing like 300 yds and throwing a bunch of TD’s?
Don’t tell me Donovan has never brought our team back….
Didn’t our highly rated defense disappear, and cost us the trip to the Superbowl? I think that happened. In fact, I know it did.
by topcat6 on Oct 27, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McNabb might not be consistent or incredibly accurate
but I DON’T buy the argument that he’s not clutch. Too many times the defense has folded after McNabb put us in a winning position
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 27, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the D dissapeared...
but if i’m not wrong the O got the ball back… to be honest i don’t remember if there was much left on the clock… i have no interest in blaming every loss on mcnabb but he’s not proven himself to be an elite qb when measured by the number of clutch wins he’s put up… not too many that’s for sure…. by the way Syracuse came up short in his last game which i think was for the national championship… i’m fuzzy on the details but i do remember it was a big game.
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The job of the D is to hold the opponent under 17
the job of the O is score more than that. One held up their end of the bargain…not to say that the O didn’t constantly need the D to bail them out, but everyone tries to give the D a pass all the time. If they give up too many, it’s on them. If the O doesn’t score enough, it’s on them. No excuses, like “oh, the offense didn’t score 40 points so it’s their fault…they should have scored enough to win the game”
by eagleyosh on Oct 27, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
igglegreen
only an idiot would make a statement like that… am i to understand you to mean that unless i like what i see i should root for another team… what i want and what you should want is excellence… to tell me to root for somone else is stupid!!!
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My opinion is
that you are so critical and negative and you are clearly making stuff up. I’d rather see you as a fan of another team.
I find ignorant people annoying. You remind me of JIBTA, who is another lame poster with diarrea of the mouth whose opinion is tiresome, ignorant and almost always wrong, but just keeps hammering and hammering the same false points over and over again. Funny how your writing looks JUST LIKE HIS writing with all the periods and sentence fragments. You wouldn’t be RELATED would you?
The discourse on this board is often excellent, sometimes brilliant, and the quality of many of the posters is awesome. Not you, however. You have proved yourself to be quite ignorant in an incredibly short of time.
Nobody needs you, you aren’t saying anyting new, or even remotely interesting, so why don’t you please just SFTU?
Have a nice day,
IGGY
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey moron child
its STFU… not SFTU…. if this board is often excellent… its not because of you…
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're gonna critique someone's typo? Really?
Need we address your punctuation issues, capitalization problems and spacing?
by NOLACuse on Oct 27, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry
that was petty…but “love it or leave it” is no reply to honest criticism….
by toofunny777 on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOOFER: Seeing that I'm home today on pain killers,
I have an excuse for poor spelling and little tolerance for ignorant douche monkeys like you. But while my impairment is temporary, you are obviously a full time ass.
I suspect that you are JIBTA in disguise. You show his same grammatical errors and the same, barely legible writing voice. The way you deal with others on the board is also pathological and creepy, just like him. In other word, dude you are one pyschologically f-ed up mess.
Like JIBTA, since you are incapable of intellegent discourse, you deserve no further direct comments or replies. From now on I will speak only about you, not to you.
Enjoy your psychosis,
IGGY
by IggleGreen on Oct 27, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Gdog2009,
I reccomend that you read a fanpost called “Attention: Eagles Fans”. You might remember it. It was written after you stuck a fork in the Eagles season for the millionth time. It was addressed to people like you. “Mr. Negative”. You complain about everything the Eagles do. We just got a much needed and very reassuring win, and you still find things to complain about. In other words, grow a fucking spine.
Yours truely,
McNabb2Maclin4Philly
"Backs in the 'I'...First and 10...McNabb, play action. Is back again. He is looking..he is going deep. He wants DeSean Jackson..who HAS IT!!! HE HAS IT!!! AND STEPPED INTO THE ENDZONE!! He took it away from the defender!! He took it away from Dominique Rogers-Cromarte, and ran into the endzone!!"
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Oct 27, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's truly not truely genius....
Ive never stuck a fork in the Eagles season…I’ve simply stated the obvious based upon their play so far.
Saying New Orleans, The Giants, and Minnesota are better than the Eagles is a reality at this point.
Other facts…
Mcnabb misses wide open receivers…A LOT
The Eagles have no running game
So far the wildcat is a failed experiment
Westbrook isnt half the player he was a few years ago
Weaver is wasted on this team…(51 yards running/receiving in 6 games)
Is that being Negative ? No…thats the truth. I dont sit here like you and watch the highlights on ESPN and think the team is great because they put up 27 points. I watch the entire games and look at the WAY the points were scored. Any true intelligent Eagles fans can acknowledge that what I am stating above is true.
So whats been positive for the Eagles ?
Signing of Will Witherspoon…great move. Huge upgrade.
Defensive line has also been very strong.
The choices to take Maclin and McKoy…both guys look to be very good players for years to come.
Development of Celek…
Holding onto Kolb(trading AJ instead) who looks pretty damn good when he has time to throw. He seems to have a fast mental clock and can read things quickly.
Dont reference someone else’s well thought out post to cover up your own stupidity. Start watching more than the 2 minute highlights and you will see what the rest of us see.
by Gdog2009 on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
After we lost to the Raiders, you declared us an 8-8 team, ignoring the fact that we had not even reached the halfway point in the season. I was a sickened by that loss as anyone, but unlike you, I remained optomistic. We have plenty of time to regroup.
Don’t come at me with these bold-faced lies. I watch the entire game from start to finish. I don’t think we’re great because we put up 27 points, despite the fact that the Redskins were a top 5 defense heading into that game, and that nobody had scored more than 24 points on them before Monday night.
And just because Weaver doesn’t get the ball a whole lot doesn’t make him ‘wasted’. I agree that the Wildcat is quickly becoming worthless on this team, and that Westbrook isn’t what he used to be, but there’s a difference between ‘having no running game’ and ‘not trying to run the ball’, like Reid has done time and time again.
"Backs in the 'I'...First and 10...McNabb, play action. Is back again. He is looking..he is going deep. He wants DeSean Jackson..who HAS IT!!! HE HAS IT!!! AND STEPPED INTO THE ENDZONE!! He took it away from the defender!! He took it away from Dominique Rogers-Cromarte, and ran into the endzone!!"
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Oct 29, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
We Won the Game!! That is the only thing that matters…..Yes Mcnabb threw some poor passes but we won and he is an AWESOME QB!! He GIVES US OUR BEST CHANCE to win the SB…..we traditionally start slow then catch fire…….and it is usually contingent upon our oline stepping up……..mcnabb playing better and balancing the run pass ratio…. we will be fine……..
by CJ's Eagles on Oct 27, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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