Remember 1994? Or, why you don't worry about last week's loss.
by wildcatlh on Oct 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT
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Was reminded of this by an ESPN Football Outsiders story in a similar vein...
So, the 1994 NFL season. It's week 5. The Eagles are 2-1. The 49ers are 3-1, and they're the Super Bowl favorites. The Eagles go to San Francisco. They play a team that's beaten up on the offensive line, and absolutely embarass the 49ers, 40-8. The Eagles were taking advantage of that offensive line to the point that Seifert pulled Steve Young from the game in the 3rd quarter because he was afraid the Eagles d-line would kill him.
What happened from that point out? I'm sure you remember the 7 losses to finish that season. And I'm sure you remember the 49ers going on to pulverize the Chargers to win the Super Bowl that year.
Another Eagles related example? Look to 2004, and the Patriots team that beat us in the Super Bowl. Week 15, they lost to the Dolphins. The 2-11 Dolphins. And blew an 11 point 4th quarter lead in the process.
If you look at nearly every winning Super Bowl team's schedule, you're going to see a loss that makes you scratch your head and say "how in the hell did they lose that one?". Not saying this team's going to the Super Bowl. But you can't panic about a loss like this. Good teams can overcome it.
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last week’s lost was still a very big sting. jst seeing the raiders being crushed by the jets made it even worst. still though, good point we should not dwell on past, im sure we will come back, and the witherspoon aqusition was great for us. nice post btw
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Oct 25, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Jets Blow out
brought back all the PISSED-OFF that I thought I had gotten over this week.
How could we be THAT BAD????
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 25, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember 2007
when we lost close games , a lot of them to bad teams and we missed the playoffs? No excuses, we got to beat the Raiders, especially when we had numerous numerous opportunities…. oh and their best player (Asomugha) was out
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and McFadden was out too
Oh, and you see how the Jets gameplanned for them?
Reversed our play calling PRECISELY! 15 passes, 50 some-odd runs.
Oh, and they won 38-0.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 25, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you. You get a rec. Anyone else wanna argue running the ball doesn’t matter?? I’m looking at you, NPK.
Andy Reid has to live with Sunday's reality: He was out coached by Tom Cable. (John Clayton)
Since 2005: Andy Reid 36-32-1; 7-25-1 when tied or losing at halftime.
by Route36 on Oct 26, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple difference. They have an all-pro offensive line. All of them
We had… King Dunlap, Nick Cole, Jammal Jackson, MJG/S. Andrews (rotation), and Winston Justice.
When your OL is all backups/half-injured people, you can’t expect to be able to run the ball well. And we didn’t, if you look at the game. It didn’t work. We had to stop doing it, because it showed no promise.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Oct 26, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had to stop doing it, because it showed no promise.
11 rushes for 63 yards. You are right. It wasn’t working. I don’t know even know why they rushed at all! Those 11 attempts could have went to good use by passing. There is something called a play-action pass(which needs running the ball to work), didn’t need that either! All those pass plays were working so well, who needs to run the ball?
Andy Reid has to live with Sunday's reality: He was out coached by Tom Cable. (John Clayton)
Since 2005: Andy Reid 36-32-1; 7-25-1 when tied or losing at halftime.
by Route36 on Oct 26, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"showed no promise"
What game you talking about? When the did actually run the ball they had a great average in doing so. You better look up the facts again my friend or have someone else read them to you because you are sorely mistaken! Route36…I agree with you 100%.
by slandog on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you look at the game. It didn’t work. We had to stop doing it
Did we ever really start doing it? In the game I saw, Westbrook and McCoy combined for 63 yards on 11 carries…that’s 5.7 YPC; in layman’s terms: IT DID WORK and we DID NOT NEED TO STOP DOING IT
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(8:54) 29-L.McCoy left guard to PHI 41 for 3 yards (52-K.Morrison).
(8:54) 29-L.McCoy left guard to PHI 41 for 3 yards (52-K.Morrison).
(1:51) 36-B.Westbrook right end to PHI 39 for -1 yards (93-T.Kelly)
(1:04) (Shotgun) 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to OAK 19 for 4 yards (52-K.Morrison).
(14:16) 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to OAK 45 for 25 yards (31-H.Eugene).
(13:38) 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to OAK 36 for 9 yards (33-T.Branch).
(7:45) 29-L.McCoy right tackle to PHI 18 for -2 yards (92-R.Seymour).
(6:09) 29-L.McCoy up the middle to PHI 39 for 8 yards (93-T.Kelly).
(3:18) 36-B.Westbrook up the middle to PHI 27 for 2 yards (93-T.Kelly).
(14:21) 29-L.McCoy right end to PHI 15 for 1 yard (52-K.Morrison).
(3:17) 36-B.Westbrook left tackle to PHI 39 for 11 yards (24-M.Huff).
So that is four carries accounting for 53 yards and seven carries for 10 yards.
That is not the kind of consistency you need in a grind-it-out run game. When they keyed in on the run, they were able to penetrate the backfield and stop it effectively. We got lucky on a couple of long runs, but for the most part they kept it in check.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Oct 26, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job
with the data, I’m often too lazy to look this stuff up, but it always makes for a more informed opinion.
The deep ball wasn’t working either…and since you’re going to argue the run game wasn’t working…then either the Raiders were just better than us, or we needed to utilize quick releases in the middle of the field or quick slant patterns.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I absolutely agree with that. I kind of wish we would, just for once, actually be a short-pass, quick-release, west-coast offense. We have the tools for it! Jackson and Maclin are both perfect for that role, and Avant is tough enough to go over the middle on any defense. Just… run slants and stuff! C’mon!!!
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly don’t know enough about football inregards to coaching and play calling but …. when I run the slant in Madden I tend to kick ass so … yeah, we should definitely run the slant :-)
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, as much I did not intend my comment to refer to a Madden play, in retrospect I probably should have thought that out a bit better.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year is different...
I really think we’ve come to expect that at least one wildcard will come from the East. We’ve gotten fat and lazy in thinking that 2nd place in our division guarantees the postseason. Heck, a couple times we sent both wild cards from our division.
We could EASILY see wild cards from the North and South this year. We really need to win the division, and we’re not going to do that if we don’t win the ‘easy’ ones.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 25, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With that said
It was really nice to watch the Giants lose tonight!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 25, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but
if we would have won last week and tonight we would be on top of the division tied with them (depending on division games from here on out) Now IF we win tonight we’ll still be behind them in the standings. So it was good to see them loose but still frusturating at the same time.
by slandog on Oct 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not one to dwell on losses
but this shouldnt be taken lightly. losses pile up. ya gotta win the easy ones. when the playoff picture becomes clearer, losses like these are kicks in the ass for teams on the bubble.
let’s just move on to the skins though.
by Q27 on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing about '94 that should be noted
rich kotitte had already checked out. he got his dream job with the jets, so he didn’t really give a shit what happened the rest of the year.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 26, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
loss
the difference between good teams and great teams is that great teams win games they are losing and good teams just lose those games. Cause in point: The Saints against Miami yesterday.
It pains me to say this but I think we are in trouble. Our OL is a problem and I think our defense lost too much in off-season – Jim Johnson and Dawkins.
by lonelynewyorker on Oct 26, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually think the loss of Stew Bradley was worse than the loss of Dawk and JJ
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 26, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering the manner in which we lost JJ I don’t think anything was worse than that.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 26, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you
but i think the loss of Stew has hurt the team the most at this point
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my flag football team played the Raiders this Sunday … we won … that was my redemption.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 26, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wildcat
Your post shows an excellent perspective. Last year, I was sure the Eagles season was done before that incredible run. And then, even with the end of season run, the stars only came into allignment at the very, very last moment. Yeah, they lost to the Cards, but before that they did Philly proud. This team will give you multiple coronaries per season, if you let them.
I think that maybe the zen of being an Eagles fan – the biggest challenge – is to take the wins with the losses and watch the holistic game – back office, personnel, between games adjustements – without judgement. That’s hard to do but in the end Reed seems to pull through and get us into the playoffs. If it truly is a numbers game, with the youth on this team, and the quality of the veterans, I expect we should win a Super Bowl before too long. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but soon. And hey, this year wouldn’t hurt.
Go Iggles.
by IggleGreen on Oct 26, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good perspective, I really see us making it to the Superbowl again in the near future. We all got our hopes up in the off season and during the draft thinking that we had the best team and now we all came back to Earth. The NFL has some great teams, and some horrible teams and sometimes the best teams lose to the worst. It happens, thats what makes the NFL so great. Any given Sunday right? Well I say we look on to tonights game and the games to come.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Oct 26, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horrible Reminder
While I understand your point, that was a brutal ending to a season. Thanks for that reminder! 7-2 to 7-9.
I would also argue that the Eagles were hot at that time so it is hard to compare them to this season’s Raiders. The Raiders were annihilated the week before last week’s debacle and they were annihilated again yesterday. The 1994 Eagles were 7-2 at one point not long after that 49er victory. This Raiders team will not sniff 7 wins.
The NE/Dolphins example is a good one though. Very appropriate. To me it all comes down to the O line. Can it get healthy and stay healthy? If so, I have faith the other errors of the Raiders game are correctable. The horrible O line play was more about personnel and that is hard to change at this point. We’ll also see how well Spoon can adapt. Those are the two big questions.
by Dawk on Oct 26, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An Effective Incentive.......
Everyone should get over the lose to Oakland. They were playing waaaay over their heads, and they had a very good incentive to cause them to do that. If you remember, the Giants embarassed Oakland the week before and one of the Giants players called Oakland a scrimmage team. He said playing them was like having a scrimmage game….they should no enthusiasm on defense,…they were just standing around.
That remark was read over and over and over again to the Oakland players, which gave them a one game lift. They came out and through everything they had at the Eagles except the kitchen sink…..lol. On that day, they would have beaten anyone. They were pumped up because of the remarks from the Giant player. Based on the game yesterday you can see how long it lasted…….lol. Beating the Eagles was a fluke. It’s over….it’s in the past. The Eagles will get back on course. They will kick the Redskins butt…………………………………………At least I hope so……..lol.
by Virgoman3 on Oct 26, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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