Attention: Eagles fans.
by yomjoseki on Oct 19, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
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Thanks for supporting the Eagles. I know there's not a lot of us, but it's cool that there's actually people that support the team, even when we do stupid crap like lose to the Raiders. The ones that recognize that we have one of the best coaching staffs in the league, starting with one Andy Reid. The ones that know Donovan McNabb is a franchise QB. The fans that don't freak out after every tiny little setback.
I'm not talking to you, Mr. Bipolar Fan. You know who you are. You're the guy that will be the first to talk smack to another team as soon as we win, and you'll be the first to scream Bloody Mary when we're losing by 3 in the first quarter.
I'm not talking to you, Mr. Negative Nancy. Nothing would ever be good enough for you. We could win a game by 17 points, and you'll whine about the 3 and out we had in the 2nd quarter. We could win a Super Bowl, and you'll gripe that we couldn't win one while Dawk was with the Eagles. Jeff Lurie could mail you a $100 bill, and you'd complain about how it was folded.
I'm not talking to you, Mr. Bring In The Guy That's Backing Up McNabb This Year. Yeah, you're the guy with the A.J. Feeley, Jeff Garcia, Michael Vick, and Kevin Kolb jerseys. The one who pitches a fit every time McNabb throws one in the dirt. Because everyone knows Tom Brady and Peyton Manning never throw incomplete passes.
I'm talking to the real Eagles fans. The ones who realize that only one team can win a Super Bowl each year. The ones who know that they are fortunate to have a team who consistently wins and wins playoff games. The ones who know that as great as they are, Brett Favre has only one Super Bowl ring, John Elway lost three Super Bowls before he won two in a row at the ripe young age of 37, and Dan Marino never got one.
There's no accountability here or anywhere. If we're lucky enough to win a Super Bowl with Reid and McNabb, or Reid and Kolb, or whatever, I don't wanna see you at the party unless you stuck with the team. Calling for Jeff Lurie to bring in another coach because you think he'll be able to magically guide us to a Super Bowl victory is not supporting the team. Saying that Reid and/or McNabb are incapable of winning a championship because they've yet to do so is not only illogical*, it makes me want to punch you in the throat.
Supporting the team means supporting every player that suits up for us and every coach employed by the team as long as they are with the Eagles (and Brian Dawkins forever, assuming, of course, he is not playing the Eagles). You don't have to wish them well in their personal life, but you better want, with every bone in your body, for them to be able to do what needs to be done to win, or else you don't bleed green.
So to everyone supporting the Eagles, thanks. Nice to have you here. Everyone else can go to hell.
*because according to that logic, no one would be capable of winning a championship ever
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Thanks for telling us what a real fan is.
Can you come to my job, and tell me what a real office worker is?
I’m having a plumber over tomorrow, will you stay at my place and tell him what a real plumber is? You can follow him home and watch him have sex with his wife, and give him pointers on that, too,
Since, you know, there’s only one way to “be” something, and it’s your way.
Lucky that we have the aribiter of all things football on the board.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting that the sex in your scenario is happening at your plumber's house.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 19, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, internet tough guy.
I’ll bet you’re out all night playing the field with crowds of beautiful women just before you come home and post on an Eagles fan message board.
I’m not married, and if you watched me, you’d come away with pointers. My technique is flawless!
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Work's GREAT
On both his right and left hands. LOL
by Cowboy KILLER on Oct 19, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s no joke! I can switch hands halfway through and gain a stroke.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valuable skill
When you are single.
by IggleGreen on Oct 21, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no tough guy at all, i'm just having some fun.
also, i kinda like heiffer
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 19, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I’m sorry, didn’t mean to bite your head off.
I’m just chafing at the board.
After a tough loss not only do we have to sit through the kneejerk reactions, then we have to sit through WAVE 2 of the kneejerk reactions, where people post ad nauseum to tell us what does and doesn’t constitute a “real fan” — and usually the only criteria is “You meet MY definition of a real fan”
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there's a phenomenon known as ykinok. look it up. that's not what this is, but it's the same idea.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 19, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, same idea.
I mean, we’re talking about fandom. Fan, short for fanatic. A religious fanatac is just as likely to scream “THE APOCALYPSE!” at the first snowfall as he is to calmly sit by while fire is falling from the sky going “We’re in God’s hands”
There’s plenty of ways to be crazy about sports. I’m more middle of the road (though I’ll admit to being a little hurt and panicky about the Birds last night) but it’s easy to see there’s a large population of fans on the board, regardless of how that fanaticism manifests.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha rec’d for truth.
After a bad game, there are usually three kinds of posts on these blogs.
1.) "What Went Wrong Tonight Against the (insert opponent’s name here).
2.) “It’s time for (insert player/coach/cheerleader/mascot/ball-boy here) to Go!”
3.) “People Should Shut the Hell Up, We’re Fine.”
I would say #2 comes first, followed by a wave of #3, with some #1 sprinkled in for good measure. There’s nothing wrong with that though, since I try to take the time and read all these fanposts anyway, but it is a funny observation.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Oct 20, 2009 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was obvious...
He has shoddy plumbing, and the plumber is the only one that knows how to correctly lay pipe.
by Sparki on Oct 26, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I happened to like his post...
…Mr. Broken Toilet Guy.
:)
by IggleGreen on Oct 21, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I’m not getting laid and my crapper is broken! I have every right to be mad!
Ha, ha. I understand his sentiment, and I definitely shouldn’t have popped off like I did, but it’s frustrating in the wake of a loss to have to hear what a “real” and “fake” fan is.
There’s no difference to me between this behavior and Dallas/Steelers/Patriots fans trying to tell me why they’re the best fans in the NFL.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 24, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea thanks smarts, u are a real fan
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Oct 19, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cheers yojoseki
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Oct 19, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Even though your cat is still a Buc’s fan. LOL
by Cowboy KILLER on Oct 19, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap I never noticed that – I’m going to have to start treating yomjoeski like the traitor he must be.
by cavortingEagle on Oct 20, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if I don't support McNabb, that means I don't support the Eagles?
Interesting duality. I don’t agree with it as I haven’t been a McNabb fan for some time now. Too inconsistent and costs us games, often times big ones. Sorry, but I feel we need someone who can make quick decisive throws and more importantly — accurate
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Oct 19, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my only issue with this is that
look at the teams who have been trying to find a decent QB … do we want to go through that? McNabb makes plays I’d rather deal with his inconsistency then go through multiple seasons looking for the next QB.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 19, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't kolb supposed to be that?
and moreover, at this point, does the QB really have to be a playmaker? i’d contend that with all the weapons currently on the team, the only thing our QB needs to do in order for the team to be successful is get the ball in their hands quick and on time, and let them make the plays.
there’s no reason that the team can’t be successful with kolb at QB. he may not be a better playmaker than mcnabb, he may not throw a prettier deep ball than mcnabb, but i’m not so sure the team wouldn’t go further with kolb than it might with mcnabb.
but that being said, going with mcnabb might not be the wrong answer, either. we’ve been saying it for a decade now, but this year could be the year, and mcnabb could be the one to take us over the hump.
and i should also note that i was advocating dumping both reid and mcnabb after that cincinnati game last season. i really thought that would have been the tipping point. that that was a game so awful against a team so bad, that they couldn’t even lose it. i mean, a fucking tie. how could they not cut bait and run after tying the 2-11 bengals?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 19, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah dump them after the Bengals game
then that fight we pulled off to make it to the NFC championship game would have never happened. Sounds good man
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 19, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i said it at the time,
this team had excellent depth all over the field, they had 2 franchise QBs, and they had two first round draft picks, 5 total in the first 3 rounds.
if they had fired reid, this would have been the most attractive head coaching position to open up this decade.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 19, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I get what your saying
But I worry more about how our team does than how many people we could get to try for our head coaching position.
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 19, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, from my vantage point, it looks like our team just lost to a 1-6 team that had lost by 37 the previous week to the team that we now trail by 1.5 games.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 19, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm getting to the point where I agree
No QB on our roster is anywhere near as good as McNabb…and therein may lie our problem. As long as we have McNabb we rely on him to be our playmaker, when we might not need the QB to have all of that responsibility on his shoulders.
Between Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Celek, Westy, Weaver, and McCoy…I’d say this is a year that would probably benefit from getting the ball out of the QBs hands.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 20, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why not just sign Garcia on the cheap and trade McNabb AND Kolb?
Save ourselves some money and get more pieces. If that’s really all we need, why isn’t that the plan being advocated?
Think about the game managing QBs that have won Superbowls. They’ve all had stellar defenses. Not good or even great defenses, but historically good defenses. Otherwise, it’s been quality, playmaking QBs on the winning side. Manning, Roethlisberger, Brady, Warner, Elway, Favre. Stretching back at least 15 years I really only see two game-managers that won a Superbowl. Three if you argue that’s what Brady was in his first SB.
Our defense is good. Could be great if it weren’t for our linebackers. But we aren’t historically great. If Kolb can’t be a playmaker, we won’t win a SB. Having other playmakers isn’t enough. We need a playmaker leading them.
by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing our QB needs to do in order for the team to be successful is get the ball in their hands quick and on time, and let them make the plays.
Oh that’s all he needs to do … well then lets get rid of McNabb and grab some dude off the street … I didn’t know it was that easy … wow.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 20, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Yea, that's what I'm saying.
Why bother having Kolb or McNabb? If that’s all they need to do they are too expensive. I’ll be glad to do it for 1/4 of what Kolb is making.
by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of me wishes I wasn't an Eagles fan so I could say "Do it."
Get rid of McNabb and see just how much fun it will be. Even if Kolb is good, the minute he throws three interceptions in a game people will crawl back out of the woodwork to lament McNabb being gone or Reid not doing more to find a better QB. Pretending McNabb is not one of the best 6 or 7 QBs in the league is ridiculous. The grass is always greener for some people. Peyton Manning couldn’t catch a break as recently as 5 years ago.
by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pen is truely mightier than the sword.
This was a very reassuring post, and a slap on the wrist for those haters/pretenders. Rec’d.
“Eff you, we’re winning anyway!” (Or at least we better next week)
"Backs in the 'I'...First and 10...McNabb, play action. Is back again. He is looking..he is going deep. He wants DeSean Jackson..who HAS IT!!! HE HAS IT!!! AND STEPPED INTO THE ENDZONE!! He took it away from the defender!! He took it away from Dominique Rogers-Cromarte, and ran into the endzone!!"
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Oct 19, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Eff you, we’re winning anyway!"
I’m too lazy to go look, was that from this year after the bradley injury in tc or somewhere during last year’s run
Brent Celek is the man
by 700 Level on Oct 20, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't have said it better my self
great FP
Let's get it.
by homestar2281 on Oct 19, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
amen
…although
We could win a Super Bowl, and you’ll gripe that we couldn’t win one while Dawk was with the Eagles.
…thats been on my mind forever lol
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
by immynimmy on Oct 19, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
i agree completely. i don’t think reid should be fired. i don’t think mc’nabb should be benched. i am not at all happy about the raiders, but these are things that can be fixed. every team has bad games. i think it’s a little early in the season to call the eagles an 8-8 team. that being said, they could go 3-13 and they’ll still be my team. that would be around the time i would start wanting a new coach. that being said, some of the mistakes were horrid, and hopefully not repeated.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
by snowhill82 on Oct 20, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I DEFINITELY don't think we should bench McNabb
But I’d like to see Andy run a game plan that he had prepared for Kolb with McNabb under center. We’d probably be awesome. With Kolb under center, we take the focus off the QB and get the ball quickly into the hands of our playmakers. (screens, short passes, running game, etc…) With McNabb it’s slow developing, low percentage BOMBS!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 20, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I agree that a sizable and vocal minority of Eagles’ fans are like the author describes in his post but he almost takes an almost equally opposing ridiculous stance.
Reid laid a complete egg yesterday and the Reid-bashers had plenty of well-deserved barbs and criticisms yesterday. Given it will likely take 10 wins to get into the playoffs, this one could really come back to bite the Eagles.
Reid is a good coach but this franchise really has been closer to being a mediocre one since the ’04 Super Bowl and the Eagles were very fortunate to make the playoffs last year against some very unlikely odds that last week.
by MG77 on Oct 20, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Criticism is different than calling for a mid-season coaching change when we are 3-2.
I think that’s really the point of the rant there. Be critical, but be level-headed too. Submarining the franchise because Reid calls bad timeouts and doesn’t run enough is not a smart solution.
by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a really nice write up
I am tempted to copy paste it to the Cowboys site and just change the names – and the reference to playoff wins of course.
by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 20, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, so supporting the team means you can’t criticize them?
All supporting the Eagles means — in my definition — is that you always root for the Eagles (and whoever is playing Dallas) to win. Within that, there’s lots of room for divergence of opinion re: Reid, McNabb, Vick, etc, so long as you’re rooting for that person to succeed on behalf of the team.
For example, I’ve had about enough of Andy Reid. But I’m rooting for him to coach the team to victories. On the other hand, when they lose to a (currently) lowly franchise like the Raiders, damn right I’m going to criticize.
Likewise, most McNabb critics are still rooting for him to lead the Eagles to victory on Sundays…they just think someone else could do a better job.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Oct 20, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+8 zillion.
My sentiments exactly. But, of course, now you’re not a real fan…?
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 24, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ughhh
“Mr. Bring In The Guy That’s Backing Up McNabb This Year”
man i hate that guy.
Great post.
by Q27 on Oct 20, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post. Good writing.
I do not think Reid should call plays anymore. I do think that Morningwig should be fired. I also cannot stand it when Reid’s teams make the same mistakes every year, over and over.
If you think that I am less of a fan because of this, that is your right. That doesn’t make it true, either.
by topcat6 on Oct 22, 2009 4:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I never said you can’t criticize the team. I just said you’re an idiot if you think Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden is the difference between this club and a Super Bowl.
BEST CHANCES TO WIN. Sure, we have a chance with anyone. Do we have a better chance with another coach or a guy who is amazing at drafting and developing players and knows the team like the back of his hand? Same thing with McNabb… sure, we had a chance with Garcia, Feeley, Kolb, Vick, whoever is playing QB. Do we have a better chance with one of them than with McNabb? The guy who has more playoff wins than any active QB besides Tom Brady and Brett Favre?
Disagree all you want.
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Oct 22, 2009 4:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we’re lucky enough to win a Super Bowl with Reid and McNabb, or Reid and Kolb, or whatever
do we have any other choices? only thing that matters to me are the Eagles and winning, not reid or mcnabb or kolb… frankly, im bored out of my mind just thinking about them
by fitzy first on Oct 23, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
EAGLES WHO?
The birds have pretty much fallen off the Philly sports radar with last weeks abortion. Imagine if the Phillies where not going back to the world series? It would have be a pretty dark week. for Philly sports ….
Banner should thank the Phils for hogging the spotlight.
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by E_A_G_L_E_S! on Oct 23, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't support Reid.
And I loathe Banner. I think they’re shite. But I can still be an Eagles fan. I love Donovan and will stick by him. There’s plenty of room at the table of fandom for people who criticize when people don’t do their jobs. We aren’t all Spadaro fanboys.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Oct 25, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We aren’t all Spadaro fanboys.
Really? I figure you were one, since you never criticize anything about the Eagles. =P
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Oct 25, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just assumed EB was Dave Spadaro.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Oct 25, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only one way to be a fan
To say that if you criticize the team then you are not a fan sounds like a Cowboys fan, not an Eagles fan. I did not support the Vick move for mostly football reasons. I did not support letting Dawk hit free agency again for football reasons. I was vocal about both. That means I do give a crap and I do bleed green. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t care about either of those moves.
I understand the sentiment of this post but we voice our displeasure because we are fans! We want to see them win. If they fired Reid and hired Steve Spurrier, I would be on this site ripping the move. Does that mean I am not a fan? Quite the contrary. We vent because we are passionate and we do care whether or not this team wins.
by Dawk on Oct 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I never said you can’t criticize the team. I just said you’re an idiot if you think Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden is the difference between this club and a Super Bowl.
^posted earlier, for those who can’t read, or for those who choose not to.
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Oct 26, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, if you think andy reid is mentally weak, and really, there's a case to be made that he's just that, who's to say that's not the difference.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Oct 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid is just as successful as Cowher and more successful than Gruden in every single area except for one.
You think Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher would’ve outcoached Belichick in that Super Bowl? Hell, Patriots BEAT Cowher that year in the playoffs, just like they beat us. Jon Gruden is a mediocre coach. He inherited a great team built by Tony Dugy and didn’t mess up just enough to win a Super Bowl. He’s the Trent Dilfer of coaches. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Reid or Cowher.
Fact is, Andy Reid knows how to run a team, and every year we have a chance to go to the Super Bowl. How many fans can say they have a chance every year? I firmly believe if we stick with him, we’ll eventually win it. It took Cowher forever to win one.
Bill Cowher 1998 – 2000: 22-26
Should they have fired Cowher? Reid’s worst stretch as a coach he’s STILL above .500, and so many people here would get rid of him for a coach with a nearly identical resume. It doesn’t make sense and it doesn’t put us in a better position to win.
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Oct 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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