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What they're saying - Eagles fall to Raiders

Donovan McNabb didn't seem to acknowledge his own part in the troubles the Eagles had yesterday.

"I can speak for myself and should speak for everybody about the way we came out here and played. We are a much better football team. I've always said that for the young team that we have, that we have to take baby steps. There will be a point in time that we hit a wall and we didn't expect to hit the wall today. This is a learning experience and one that, for myself and as well as the veterans, we have to lead these younger guys to understand there will be times in the season that things don't go well."

Obviously the young lineman struggled, Brent Celek had some drops and had some awful efforts in the blocking dept, and Lesean McCoy missed at least one block... but I saw the young WRs getting open and McNabb failing to hit them. I don't feel like he acknowledged his poor play here. He seems to think it was a failure of leadership on his part, which may have some truth to it... but it was also a failure of execution on his part as well. Not only was he terribly inaccurate, he was attempting to call timeouts when the team had none which is something a veteran should know better.

Sheldon Brown voiced some obvious frustration on the part of the defense.

"You give up 13 points," cornerback Sheldon Brown said with a shrug. "Our goal has been to hold teams under 17 points ever since I've been here and we did that. It's just one of those damn dreams and we're still dreaming it."

Asante Samuel echoed that, "Thirteen points, you're supposed to win the game," he said. "But we didn't make the plays to win."

No doubt it had t be hard for the defense to go out and make stops time and time again only to see the offense go three and out time after time. That said, I would caution Sheldon and Asante that there were times that receivers were wide open and they won't have Jamarcus Russell to bail them out every week. A big part of the reason the score stayed 13 was because Russell was so bad. There's a good argument to be made that any other starting QB in football would have taken advantage of at least 2 opportunities by my count that could have ended in TDs. Plus, Asante's tackling was atrocious.

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King Dunlap must have been watching a different game than we were.

"Seymour is a Pro Bowler, a really good guy. I didn't feel I was thrown in the fire. I always have to be ready . . . I have to be ready when my time is called. I did all right - I just have to get better."

You did not do "all right." A young reserve lineman against a pro bowler is a tough matchup for sure and I would have never expected Dunlap to shut down Seymour... but he was abused plain and simple.

Jason Peters talked about the frustration of having to watch from the sidelines.

"It was very disappointing, man, because we're so much better," said Peters, who injured his left knee in the first quarter. "We're so much better than that. It was disappointing just watching that. I wish I could be out there with them. If we were going to struggle, I wanted to struggle with them. It was disappointing sitting on the sideline."

Brian Westbrook on running(or not) the ball

"You never know. In hindsight, we would want to run the ball a whole lot more. You would want to control the clock a whole lot more. We've had a lot of success throwing the ball in these first four games, so it's hard to go away from that. I think that looking at it we had some success running the ball. Hopefully we will have more success."

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The Defense also

gave the offense to extra opportunities to do SOMETHING with INTs in good field position.

"What did it feel like? That collision, I ­didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

well maybe if asante would have

made a better tackle attempt on the zach miller long TD we wouldn’t be talking about the loss

seriously how many times is he just going to dive at guys

Let's get it.

by homestar2281 on Oct 19, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still

Our “high powered offense” was getting 30+ pts a game. You would think giving them 13 points would give the offense the opportunity to put the game away

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Oct 19, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

*TWO* extra opportunites

"What did it feel like? That collision, I ­didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a surprise

McNabb never seems to acknowledge any culpability…when you complete less than half of your passes, you ARE a part of the problem. And regardless of the pressure that was thrown at him by the Raiders D, his passing accuracy (which has always been a point of contention) was absolutely atrocious. I have never seen a “top tier” NFL quarterback miss so many receivers. If playing for one team for a long time makes you a great QB, then I guess he is that. But his performance does not back it up.

by shafnutz05 on Oct 19, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

"I have never seen a "top tier" NFL quarterback miss so many receivers"

Did you catch Brady’s performance against Denver this year?

He was pretty bad. Probably not as bad McNabb yesterday, but he was missing open WRs left and right.

McNabb has always been prone to bad days. It’s something you either accept or you don’t if you decide he’s your starter.

It would be nice to see him acknowledge that though. And to be fair, I was only reading through partial transcripts. It’s possible that he did acknowledge his struggles, but I haven’t seen that anywhere.

by JasonB on Oct 19, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not putting this one 5 actually

If your o line lets your qb get rattled and knocked around early he’s gonna wind up with happy feet. It seemed like from the 2nd drive on his timing was way off… and the look on his face after the first two sacks seemed to indicate that he couldnt believe they had gotten to him twice. Let alone the other 3 times

Brent Celek is the man

by 700 Level on Oct 19, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Peyton throw something like 5 or 6 picks against the Chargers last year?

Even top tier quarterbacks have bad days.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Oct 19, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every QB has bad days. Brees has, Manning has, Rothlisberger was atrocious in his first Super Bowl (he was, admittedly, young). Simple fact, if your line gives you no time to pass any QB will have a terrible day.

Ah, the joys of selective memory.

by Cormican on Oct 19, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, bad games comes in bunches for McNabb..

In three straight games last season, McNabb failed to complete 50% of his passes. The Eagles were 0-2-1 in those games, against the Giants, Bengals, and Ravens games.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Oct 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he slumps

I’m not sure Jesus Christ could have completed more than 50% yesterday with that blocking.

by Cormican on Oct 19, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the image...

…now I’m going to hell.

:P

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Oct 19, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

you’re and Eagles fan … we’re in hell

Jim Johnson 1941-2009

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Oct 19, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s funny how some people see the 13 points and two turnovers and say the defense had a good day. sean mcdermott needs to have the D put on the pads and practice wrapping up, because they made justin fargas look like walter fucking payton yesterday. if jamarcus russell wasn’t so inept, the raiders would have put up 30 points yesterday. the defense did have a few good series but overall, i’d give them a C- on the day

by bula412 on Oct 19, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Asante needs to learn how to tackle

Also, did Reid learn NOTHING from the Giants game in ’07? Putting a 2nd year, unperforming LT up against the one of the best DEs in the league (well someone who used to be anyway) and then just keep passing the ball with McNabb on 7 step drops?

by DLawrence on Oct 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

on the Asante comment. Instead of just running into them with your body why dont you wrap them up. I agree that it would have been much worse if it was another team and not the Raiders. Much worse!

I will always be pulling for you #20.
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009

by EaglesPhan on Oct 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Asante’s lack of tackling really cannot be talked about enough. The guy is also opening himself up to injury with his whole “throw my body at them and hope for the best” approach. Remember when he bounced off Fargas and had trouble getting up? I saw the replay and his head snaps around like a bobblehead doll.

Plus, I know its hard, but Trotter was awful on any play that didn’t go straight up the middle.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Oct 19, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

When is the media and coaches going to get on Asante for his complete lack of tackling???

Honestly, I hope he gets injured with his current approach b/c it would mean we can get someone on the field who at least knows how to tackle.

The “easy” interceptions he does provide are not worth his lack of man coverage skills and total ineptitude in tackling.

by hratner on Oct 19, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quintin Demps

Another quick gripe…

Why is Quintin Demps returning kicks? We have the #1 kick returner in the NFL in 2008 on our roster, and it isn’t Demps. I think Demps has thirtyaphobia, which is a fear of crossing the 30 yard line.

by JimmyK on Oct 19, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Hah!

That must contagious on the Eagles

by DLawrence on Oct 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

wow that right there says it all King Dunlap is either completely oblivious to his own play or is in total denial because he played anything but alright yesterday. Give me a break he was getting manhandled the whole time by Seymour

by fhqwagads on Oct 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Run The Effing Ball

in any game where you’re averaging more than 5 yards a carry, run the ball!! your line is struggling, you quarterback is rattled, and your number 1 back is creasing them. all on Andy. also, the fact that the defense couldn’t figure out a high school level play-action rollout scares me. i’m not even going to mention Akers or Trotter.

by cleric7 on Oct 19, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

If your line is struggling

Running the ball usually isn’t the best option

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Oct 19, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is when Westbrook has 6 rushes for 50 yards…

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Oct 19, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair 1 run was for 25 yards so it kind of boosted his stats …

the thing with Westbrook is he usually wears teams down and runs his best in the 3rd 4th but if we don’t give him 15 carries a game we never get to see that.

I don’t care if we pass 80% of the time if it’s working if it’s not let’s try some runs. My other issue is the Raiders were blitzing like crazy … how do you beat the blitz? Short quick passes … where were the quick slants? where were the screens? these are the things we do well especially with receivers who can do something with the ball after the catch.

Jim Johnson 1941-2009

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Oct 19, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhh, akers???

I know it’s second nature to blame the qb but six sacks more than a dozen hurries a bunch of dropped passes and I didn’t see a lot of open receivers. Most completions were in a tight coverage and let’s not forget scrambled a half doazen times to make plays. Also if akers doesn’t yak to fgs it’s a different game.

by phillynyc on Oct 19, 2009 8:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Postseason

To all the people who say calm down or this is not the important part of the season… Losing games like this is exactly why we keep failing in the post-season. These losses equal extra post season games and being on the road in the post season.

ok wait – not maybe the only reason but it sure doesn’t help. Andy Reids inability to prepare his team for every game and his inability to call running pays has killed us too.

by dbaggie on Oct 19, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

that game was awful period . no excuse for that kind of horrible playing what so ever
   although i do not blame the Defense …
  i was going to talk trash about this game because i thought it was a given win ,but decided not to.. .did not want to jinx lol …

but it will not do me any good to bitch and moan about it . not like i am going to change

not saying its not means for concern but

i bleed green forever -and will not change now for better or worse …

R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...

by EAGLE_MAN71 on Oct 20, 2009 4:01 AM EDT reply actions  

The vaunted NFC East

was pretty much put in it’s place on Sunday!

My Giants could do no better against the Saints than you did, you had one of those games you have a season where nothing goes right – which normally means you rout the team you play next week. As for the Skins all the chickhens from past years mistakes are coming home to roost this season.

The Giants and Eagles will bounce back and should both make post season play.

It least our matchup in two weeks will not get over hyped as the Saints and Vikings are the media darlings now.

by G Fan in England on Oct 20, 2009 5:22 AM EDT reply actions  

The Saints are a good team, though – so I wouldn’t feel too despondent if I was a Giants fan. The Raiders – a team that has been widely considered one of the worst teams in the NFL – just flat out embarrassed the Eagles. The Eagles looked like they didn’t even consider planning or showing up for this game.

Of course – every year it seems like the Eagles have a game or two like this in the middle. Hopefully it will make them wake up and play the rest of the season like they mean it.

by flygirl on Oct 20, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

every year it seems like the Eagles have a game or two like this in the middle. Hopefully it will make them wake up and play the rest of the season like they mean it.

god i hope your right lol

R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...

by EAGLE_MAN71 on Oct 22, 2009 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

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