WE LOST TO THE RAIDERS BECAUSE...
...we were thoroughly outcoached on the offensive side of the ball.
Granted, there were a few other contributing factors (inability to cover the tight end, few dropped balls, mc nabb's inconsistency, inability to stop the run).
However we need to face facts and realize that our defense held an NFL offense to 13 points and therefore held up its part of the bargain.
Offense on the other hand...hear me out:
Andy Reid's overall offensive philosophy is flawed. He relies excessively on a unique version of the west coast offense that emphasizes vertical routes almost all the time, especially by the WRS, and primarily targets the tight end for the short completions. This is because of his over reliance on the big play. In addition, he does not effectively employ the run game. The offensive philosophy has the following manifestations:
1) The vertical WR routes all need time to develop. So when we play against a team that blitzes a fair amount, or when the line is having a subpar day, needless to say, our offense is screwed because there is no time for WR routes to develop. Also, when we play against teams with a "soft shell"/cover 2 or two deep safeties predominantly, our offense goes to shit because we don't know how to take advantage of underneath routes consistently.
2) We either make big plays for quick scores or go three and out. Hence its more difficult for McNabb to get in a rhythm, the while offense cannot get into a rhythm, we are pretty poor with time of possession and too often send our defense back out there time and time again until they get gassed and start to give up yards and scores.
3) We eschew running the ball because well....its much less likely to result in a big play and therefore does not fit within the overall offensive philosophy.
4) We love the big play so much we don't want to go away from it for even a second, not even to call run plays to keep the defense honest and prevent them from just pinning their ears back and rushing the passer.
5) When there's a short completion, its most likely going to the tight end. I think all the NFL teams know this about our offense by now. Secret's been out on that for a while. We're not fooling anyone with that one.
6) We love the big play so much we won't even go away from the vertical routes long enough to exploit the holes in the defense. When a team sends extra rushers, there's usually a hole behind them. When a team sets its corners/safeties deep, there are usually underneath completions to be had. Just reference the playcalling of Sean Payton and Josh McDaniels as examples of this very simple football concept. Against the raiders today, there were holes behind the blitzing linebackers that came on pretty much every third down, yet we kept trying to go deep on pretty much every one of those third downs.
7) We love the big play so much that even when we play against one of the worst run defenses in the league and have a good average on rushes, we just can't get away from those vertical routes long enough to try to take advantage of the defense's real weakness. This point was especially evident in the game today, and in last season's game against Cincy.
8) As long as the fat man stubbornly continues his over-reliance on this vertical variant of the west coast offense, ignoring all reason and refusing to take what the defense gives us from time to time, we will never have an offense that can consistently come through in the clutch.
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You get a fuckin’ rec from me, my man. People need to stop blaming Mcnabb for everything and actually analyze! Andy Reid is done! 33-30-1 last 4 years. So predictable, and makes the most horrible decisions. Mcdermott, doesn’t seem any better but still deserves more chances.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
Mcnabb wasn’t the one that was calling for long balls when the O-line was sucking ass. He wasn’t the one calling for pass after pass when Westy was averaging almost 10 yards per rush and finished with 6 attempts for 50 yards! He wasn’t the one that wasted timeouts, especially the one at 2:02 in the 4th quarter! Mcnabb missed a few passes but that is because he was under pressure the whole game. If Andy called more rushes or short quick passes, that wouldn’t have been the case. Andy Reid sucking cost them the game, Mcnabb didn’t even have a turnover.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
why is andy reid so horrible with clock management?
it happens time and time again. i don’t think he’ll ever fully grasp it.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
I Don't Get It
Basically you’re summing our problem to be that Oakland figured out the West Coast Offense? Andy’s been running this offense for a decade with pretty good success, trust me if YOU can figure out the flaws with the offense, every single defensive coordinator in the league and their wives and their young sons, named either Colt or Dakota who are being groomed to be QBs/LBs, would know how to beat it yet somehow it hasn’t happened.
Just take it for face value here, we lost because a lot of people had off games. This is the same team that everyone was singing praises for after each of our wins, we still have tons of offensive weapons and play makers, it was the same coach calling the plays, unfortunately stuff happens and teams lose games they should never lose, USC does it nearly every year, was Oregon State or Washington better than USC? HELLLL No, they got lucky. Are the Raiders a better team than the Eagles? HELLL NO.
I don’t get the Andy Reid hatred, he’s brought this team a lot of success over the last 10 years, sure he only made that one SB but a coach is only as good as the players he coaches, how many full seasons have we had with a full healthy O-Line, a healthy McNabb, healthy Westbrook or a solid WR corp? It just hasn’t happened, now we are dealing with some O-line issues, if a QB doesn’t have any time to make a play then things aren’t going to happen. I guarantee you that if he had gone to the run they would have shut that down the way the O-line was playing, half of BWest’s rushing came on one play, LeSean got stuffed.
It was just a bad game, chill out and watch us pound Washington next week.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You missed my point, Rogue Nine
I’m not suggesting we totally depart from the west coast offense. Just suggesting that we make it much less predictable so that the good teams don’t already know what’s coming at crunch time. We also need to make it adaptable and flexible so we can “try something else – what a novel, genius concept huh!” when the offense isn’t working against a particular defense.
Think about the following questions?
How often have we had offensive success against the poor teams on our schedule and been able to rack up points on them, hence padding our scoring/yardage stats? Answer = very often
How much of the success of the offense has come against really good defenses? Answer = really little
How often has the offense come through in big games, in late game or clutch situations? Answer = not often
How often has the offense come through in say…a superbowl or NFC championship game? Answer = not often
How often has the offense come through in a big game against a cover 2/soft shell/deep safeties defense? Answer None.
How about against blitzing defenses in big games? Answer None
My point is…when we play against teams with good coaching in the playoffs when it really counts, Andy Reid’s west coast offense is an absolute disappointment. Not because if its basic concept but because of its inability to adapt anc change according to the other team’s defensive gameplan.
We need a an offensive coordinator/playcaller with some sense!
by Eagles need to run on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions

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