Eagles lose to Raiders 13-9
by JasonB on Oct 18, 2009 7:29 PM EDT
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PrintIt seems to happen every year. The Eagles lose a game they were supposed to win and it seems to happen in the same way. This loss was eerily reminiscent of last year's tie in Cincinnati. A road game against an inferior non-conference opponent where the offense was totally out of sorts, the QB was terrible, and injuries seemed to stack up.
Call it a trap game, blame it on a west coast trip, say they overlooked Oakland... Whatever the excuse... it was ugly.
The lines were bad, Donovan McNabb was bad, Andy Reid was bad, & David Akers didn't do his job. We'll break all that down after the jump. For now, we'll just say that this was a pretty embarrassing loss but it's the kind of loss we've seen them bounce back from before. With the Giants losing, they didn't lose any ground in the division and there's still plenty of time to turn this around. That said, when you turn in that kind of performance against one of the truly bad teams in the NFL it's hard to be confident in them doing that. We'll see on national TV next Monday night.
More after the jump.
Let's look at the major factors here.
The lines
The Eagles were absolutely worked on both sides of the line. The offensive was dreadful. An early injury that forced out Jason Peters gave way to King Dunlap getting absolutely abused for the better part of 3 quarters. Donovan McNabb was sacked 6 times and under a heavy rush all day. The worst seemed to come on the many third longs the Eagles were forced into. Max Jean Gilles was benched at one point in the game, but his replacement Stacey Andrews didn't appear to stop the bleeding. Everyone better cross their fingers that Peters can play next week and that Herremans can come back strong. That line out there today was ugly and will be be ugly if they're forced to trot it out again.
The defense generally did it's job and the play of the at unit combined with the play of Jamarcus Russell was probably the only things that kept us in the game... but the fact was that they really struggled to stop the run. The Raiders racked up 116 yards on the ground and continually went back to Justin Fargas off tackle when they really needed a play.
They were also bailed out by the poor play of Russell a few times. His second pick was an absolutely dreadful pass, he missed a wide open Louis Murphy on a play in the second half that very well may have resulted in a TD. He missed Zach Miller wide open a number of times... Had he been able to make a few decent throws and be smarter with the ball the Eagles likely could have been blown out today.
Andy Reid
48 called pass plays(incl 2 scrambles) and 12 called run plays(incl a -4 play to Vick). This was in a game that was within one score nearly the entire time. In a game where your QB was under siege thanks to a porous line and could barely hit an open WR when he did have time. What's worse, Brian Westbrook averaged over 8 yards a carry... Inexcusable.
Another thing I'm going to put on Andy Reid is the play of Jeremiah Trotter. I can't criticize Trotter for the way he played today. He gave everything he had and played the limits of his athleticism. He can't run any faster. He is who is... The fault is on Reid for putting him out there. I hate to say "I told you so" but when he was signed I said that I was afraid of exactly what happened today. The only TD of the game came on a play where Trotter was painfully too slow to catch up with a TE not known for his speed in Zach Miller. The quick dump to the back which sealed the game for Oakland came on a play we saw far too many times the last stint Trotter had here. Roll out the QB, isolate the back on Trotter and let him win a foot race to the first down marker. Trotter never had a shot. That's 100% on Reid.
Donovan McNabb
McNabb was out of sorts today. There's absolutely no denying that. Clearly, his offensive line did him no favors and he was getting hit quite a bit today... but the fact is that he missed open WRs and made poor throws all day. There was at least 3 plays where Maclin had a DB beat deep and McNabb overthrew him. If balls weren't sailing long they were being thrown in the dirt. It was the quintessential bad McNabb game. He has one or two of these every year. He's always been able to bounce back, but that doesn't make it ok. Even with everything that went wrong today, he could have salvaged this win by hitting a few open receivers.
David Akers
AKers was only 2 of 4 today. Missing two 40+ yard FGs that could have been the difference. The Eagles only lost by 4, so those 6 points would have won the game. He was terrible and unfortunately this isn't the first time his missed FGs have been the difference between a win and a loss.
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How about them Phils!
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Oct 18, 2009 7:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The SUCK list
1. Jeremiah Trotter…got beat on the 86yd TD, and 3rd and 10 w/ 2 mins left!!!!
2. Offensive Line…McNabb had no time to do anything!
3. The running game…or lack thereof, we cannot move the ball on the ground
4. David Akers…really?
5. Andy/Marty…was that really your game plan against Oakland?
6. Injuries…Peters, Bunkley, DeSean etc…WTF!?!?!?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
the only point i disagree with is #3
we have a GOOD running game., but it does us no good if ANDY DOESNT CALL RUN PLAYS!! He loves the home run play soOoooO much that it costs us on the ground…
andy doesnt call any plays
by kolb is better than mcnabb on Oct 18, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Think of it this way
It’s better to go through this slump now than later in the year when it counts.
My main worry are those injuries.
It always counts...
Especially with the NFC being so strong…
And think of it this way
at least we’re not Titans fans.
schadenfreude
condolences from the Cowboys fans who had our best week of the season when our team didn’t play lol
you really cant blame McNabb for this. The man was under so much pressure throughout the game. Where was our line?
Asante is better then Jack... You can call me AIBTJ
How many times did our receivers blew away the Raiders cornerbacks? And how many times did McNabb over threw them?
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
McNabb
didn’t play well. He over/under threw a lot of guys.
With that said, the O-line didn’t give him much time, and our receivers dropped a lot of balls
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
McNabb
was missing passes and people were dropping passes.
More to the point, Oakland ran the same play like 10 times and the Eagles didn’t figur eout how to defend it.
Bright side....
We don’t start playing our best ball until week 10 anyway with our backs aginst a wall.
but this loss burns really bad.
"insert quote here"
by JAXIDELPHIA on Oct 18, 2009 7:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
i hate these losses, those "what ifs" that com in week 13-16 really start to hurt
Weapon X eats babies for breakfast.
Guys.
Relax. JUST RELAX. I agree, it was a poor performance by our part. With that said, these are the Raiders that almost beat the Chargers. These are the Raiders that became desperate, and decided that enough was enough.
The Eagles are a better team than the Raiders. It’s just that the Raiders came out guns blazing. We weren’t expecting it, and we fucked ourselves over because of it. Does the loss mean we’re terrible? No way in hell. It means we need to wake up. No more thinking “Oh, this is an easy team, we’ll just roll all over them without trying.”
In the long run, this loss will probably help us.
We seem to do this every year
where we just come out looking slow and confused…it just usually comes closer to the mid point of the season
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I agree that this happens at least once a season
JAX and TEN a few years back. People have mentioned BAL and CIN last year. Always on the road against AFC teams, for whatever reason.
There are definitely similar threads between them, and we debate the same points over and over. Run it more, etc., etc.
Part of me says ‘This is the NFL, it happens to every team a couple times a year, losing to a team we think they shouldn’t.’
And the other part of me says, how come when we as fans can identify this game as it’s happening, why can’t the coaches ID it and adjust?
This team still has an opportunity to get straight and be great … but at the same time, if you lose to Oakland, you can’t count on them beating anyone.
Bright side: Washington’s OL is horrendous and we’re going to tee off next week. :)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Right, because the Redskins aren’t half the team of the dominating Oakland Raiders.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Raiders that almost beat the Chargers
are also the Raiders who my Broncos beat 23-3…
Brad James
by the Bradfather on Oct 19, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Mcnabb looked hurt
He seemed to be sucking on air most of the game which probably has to do with his rib injury. Still, his receiving corps was dreadful and he had no protection. Double digit hurries and six sacks? No qb could be successful with that kind of pressure. Add akers yacking two easy kicks and we got 9 points.
by phillynyc on Oct 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just embarrassing, I had to disconnect my phone for the night to avoid the haters
Its a good thing i’m scheduled to leave town tomorrow
How do you get to L.A from Philly?.... You take Houston Street ~Guy on 610
except the Cowboys
today was Romo’s best day in about a year
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 18, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my phone went off right after the 2 minute warning. and it will probably stay that way for the rest of the night.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
no mcnabb threw the ball low
How do you get to L.A from Philly?.... You take Houston Street ~Guy on 610
i was thinking that to, i thought the ball bounced off his hands, not the ground
How do you get to L.A from Philly?.... You take Houston Street ~Guy on 610
Bounced into his hands off the ground.
by andyreidswaistline on Oct 18, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
pass int
how was that not pass int? he face gaurded and he hits desean in the face while he’s tryin to catch the ball…it was like the cardinals game all over again.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Oct 18, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are reaching
Forget the challenge, forget pass interference.
DJax was open, McNabb needs to throw that pass somewhere above sea level
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
reaching
look at the replay…is it ever okay to hit a player in the facemask??…NO. Desean gets hit in the helmet, thats cut and dry.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Oct 20, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Bounced off his hands into his chest- never touched the ground. Look at the replays. It was a catch.
That said it does need to be thrown higher. And it wasn’t the greatest play call either.
A thought
Here’s a thought- in addition to Reid’s ineptitude, maybe, just maybe, the constant circus around Vick is taking more of a toll than the Eagles will admit. Why don’t they get rid of him and get back to football…instead of babysitting the latest thug in the NFL?
Meh
I think that’s a thin excuse. We’ve seen them have games like this long before Vick. Vick had nothing to do with this one.
Vick wasn’t here in Cincy last year. Or in Washington. Or in Baltimore…
I don't think Vick
has anything to do with anything, one way or the other.
He certainly didn’t help us win … and if you want to see a circus, come down to D.C. tomorrow. You’ll be praising how well-run the Birds are before you know it.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
it was even worse
being there.
meh.
the iggles looked terrible today. it was only close at all because the raiders suck as bad as they do.
Probably a good idea....
to hand it to your running backs 11 times against the 31st rushing defense in the league.
And I’m not a McNabb hater but he absolutely blows in the clutch.
Does he have ANY last minute game winning drives?
One more thing Trotter cannot play.
The road to victory!
Trotter
sucked for us today. And this game reminds me so much of Cincy last year. They were 28th against the run, and we threw the ball 60 times…similar to todays game plan.
We won’t be successful until Andy Reid decides to commit to running
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen worse o-line play
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Oct 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
Reid is horrible.
I hate to beat a dead horse, but he really sucks. He is the King Dunlap of play callers.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
we been to 5 CG in the past 8years
lose one games and all the sudden Reid is awful.. Give me a break kid
by kolb is better than mcnabb on Oct 18, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
guess who was quarterbacking
unfunny name. even if sarcastic
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
by Igglesfan13 on Oct 18, 2009 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's not bad
He just picks a few games in the season where he decides not to prepare at all…and then makes up a game plan on the spot that involves McNabb dropping back 60 times
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
so he didnt prepare for the O-line to suck and for McNabb to throw balls at the WRs feet?
by kolb is better than mcnabb on Oct 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard for a QB
to play consistently with that kind of pressure…so I’m not going to be hard on McNabb.
I understand you’re arguing that it’s not Andy’s fault when the team doesn’t execute.
The O-Line was absolutely terrible!!! However, we still could have run the ball a few more times and maybe not asked a sucking OLine to hold back a rush that they were clearly having trouble containing.
Those deep balls were driving me crazy! Why not just plan for a consistent drive down the field…why does every possession have to include a 60 yard bomb?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
TERRIBLE.
It’s unbelievable that the 31st rushing defense warrants 11 runs the whole game when the biggest lead was 7. What a joke…the fact that our starting tackle went down early and our line couldn’t protect shit makes it even more reason to run.
The raiders were fired up from the media but we looked downright awful and I really blame 90% of this game on the coaches. You need to be able to makes changes and adjustments on the fly and we cannot and have proven we can’t too many times.
Hey FATMAN, you can set up the pass with the RUN.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Oct 18, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the same thing as Cincy last year
They were 28th against the run, and we threw it 60 times. The only difference is…I would have taken a tie today.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Think of it this way
Last year we tied a dreadful Bengals team and went on to the NFC championship, not the ideal outcome of a season but still better than the Giants or Cowboys. This game was our Bengals game, we learn not to be overly confident and under estimate poor competition and get back to our winning ways. There isn’t a single person who can honestly say the Raiders are better than the Eagles regardless of the outcome today. Look to next week and picking up where we left off last week.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
It’s typical Eagles to throw up a stinker and follow it with a blowout win. It’s typical McNabb to be totally out of sorts and then totally dialed in.
McNabb's defense
McNabb notably played deteriorated as the game went on but you have to give him a bit of a pass. His receivers had 6 drops this week, he got hit 17 times, he is still playing with broken ribs, and Reid for whatever dumb reason kept calling pass play after pass play trying to spread the field with little protection on those downs as a result.
McNabb is already hurt to some degree and he took a beating this week. Not hard to understand why his timing was so off by the 4th quarter.
I counted two drops by Celek. They credited Maclin with a drop on a ball that was thrown at his shoes… That’s not a drop to me.
Celek definitely dropped some key balls … if it hits your hands you better catch it.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
And he RARELY (if ever) makes those mistakes
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I agree
I’m not so hard on McNabb today because he was under a ridiculous amount of pressure.
I cannot for the life of me understand why we wouldn’t run it more to get some pressure off of him.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
We can't do that shit anymore!
We can’t blow games like this. It fucks us every year!
by kolb is better than mcnabb on Oct 18, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on ...
… you guys played the exact same game last week against the Chiefs, except they let you off the hook. Neither of us should be talking smack right now.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
The difference: The Cowboys gutted out a win. This team can’t do that.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Correction
This team DIDN’T do that. You can’t say “can’t”….the Cowboys in the Romo era are hard pressed to brag about winning when it counts
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Few points
1. Every offensive lineman will likely grade out as an “D” or “F” in this game (only guy I though played “ok” was Justice). Seymour manhandled Dunlap all day but where was the hell was the help? Jackson also had a horrendous day. He couldn’t make an adjustment at the line today to say his life to pick up the pressure and the stunting/blitzes up the middle had him confused all day. Basically for the past 1 1/2 years Jackson has largely been found wanting. He’s supposedly healthy and still sucks.
Contrast that to the Raiders O-coordinators who made some nice adjustments after the first 3 series and generally did a decent job of picking up the various blitzes that McDermitt throw at them today.
2. Most disappointing thing all day was the plays the Eagles failed to contain on the corners. Fargas runs hard but he isn’t fast. Bush and Russell are pretty damn slow but yet they were able to turn the corner almost all day long. Eagles’ also got burned by a bunch of little checkdown and swings/screen passes to the RBs too.
Cole just isn’t great against the run on the corner and there wasn’t a single D-lineman who played well today. As for Abiarmiri, he sucks. Can you say McDougle-type bust? I can. Shoddy tackling by the corners including Hanson and Samuels certainly didn’t help either.
3. Akers just isn’t as reliable from 40 yards anymore and has to trade off a bit of accuracy for power. One missed FG was a bad snap but the other miss is on him.
4. Where the hell was the wildcat this week? If there was a week that screamed for the Eagles to try to run the wildcat later in the 1st half or in the 2nd half to desperately generate some offense and they almost completely abandoned it.
5. Reid bashers will be justified this week. Besides not getting the team prepared, the play-calling was suspect, and yet again Reid has horrendous clock-management in the 1st half including amazingly burning all of his timeouts before the final drive at the half.
If there is one thing that the Reid-bashers want to rant and rave about it, Reid’s play clock management is it. It has generally been weak since his 1st year here as the coach and frankly hasn’t improved much at all. Painful to watch McNabb and Reid run a 2-minute drill and if the game is on the line more often than not they will botch it.
I would gladly have taken the Wildcat this week
Just to see us try to get the running game going
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Russell sucks
There isn’t a single thing I saw today from Russell that doesn’t change my opinion that he is one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. Basically, he had that one TD throw to Miller which really was a nice run by Miller and excellent down-field blocking by Murphy.
If anything, Russell missed throw and throw in the 2nd half that likely would have finished the game earlier including a wide-open Murphy on that 4 and 1.
Basically the Raiders simplified their offense so much that they basically had Russell handing off, throwing checkdowns/swing passes to his RBs, and forcing the ball to Miller.
If Russell had even been an average QB today, the Raiders would have put another 7-10 pts on the board and this game would have over before the last 2 minutes.
Keep your head up Eagles. We'll turn it around next week.
Shit at least we arn’t the Titans 59-0. Ouch
by 5IVE on Oct 18, 2009 8:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
This games matters bigtime
People keep mentioning the Cincy game and what they conveniently seem to overlook about that tie is that the Eagles would have been home again in Jan if the Raiders hadn’t stunned the Bucs on the road in the 2nd half.
Eagles have a pretty tough schedule the rest of the way including all of their divisional games. With some of the garbage teams in the league this year, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles need at least 10 wins to get in the playoffs and possibly even 11 wins this year in the NFC. They really needed this win and they laid a complete egg today.
Playoffs? Playoffs!? You’re talking about… playoffs!?
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
we’re Eagles fans…playoffs are expected, even after a terrible game (Baltimore, Cincy etc…)
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
btw this game was a microcosm of Akers career since he shvaed the stache
He is awful when it counts, all his stats are padded from blowout games. The man sickens me
Eagles take notice ...
You are not the #1 franchise in Philly.
See the phillies getting it done…..
"insert quote here"
by JAXIDELPHIA on Oct 18, 2009 9:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously. Andy, you just lost this town to BASEBALL. Pathetic.
by UnclaimedFright on Oct 19, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Positives
1. Jackson played well today. Didn’t make his usual mental mistake and made a couple of nice plays including the long catch and the 1st down catch on the final drive of the game.
He is a playmaker and the only one the Eagles’ really have as a receiver. This offense really loses something when he is not on the field as they did when he missed a series in the 2nd half after that punt.
2. Westbrook was very productive and he needs to be touching the ball at least 18-20 times/game. Stupid not to get him at least that many touches.
3. Cole had a sack and was the only lineman putting any kind of consistent pressure on Russell despite almost constantly either being double-teamed or chipped. He also got held on 2 or 3 plays today that didn’t get called.
4. Secondary generally was really solid including the 2 INTs and putting clamps on the Raiders’ WRs. Only disappointing aspect was in the run support on the corners.
He had 17 touches
but 11 of them were receptions. I’d like to see actual running…he was great running the ball yesterday
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
from a raider fan who was there
first off i was shocked at how many philly fans there were but your offensive line and secondary were bad today. the first pick was just our rookie WR sucking and the 2nd was on the QB but other wise you could not stop the check down or Miller. don’t worry, you guys are still a super bowl type team, you guys are overreacting to this loss
Rookie: "Why did you bench me?"
Nellie: "Your a rookie"
dont think so dude
It’s not like we lost to even a middle tier team. We lost to the worst team in the NFL (no offense). This is a monumental lost and it WILL fuck us in the end. Time to vent
by kolb is better than mcnabb on Oct 18, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Rams are the worst team in the NFL...
But your point stands. Even if they do make the playoffs at this point you know its going to wind up in another disappointing loss to a team they should beat.
Our LB corps is pretty weak in coverage
I’ve been scared of Tight Ends all year, and this game confirmed my fear
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
this game was just like that redskin game last year, the game was just sitting there, one big play and we could have won the game. but the offense did nothing
Or the chicago game
Or the giants game
or the arizona game
or the cincy game
or the first redskins loss
those were all frustrating results, but im talking about offense doing nothing. in some of those games the offense played well but we lost
I think you'll find in all the games the offense came out completely anemic
And they all ended on a failed fourth down late in the game where they had a chance to win.
im talking about the games as a whole, arizona, the giants game and the bears game we put up good numbers offensively
It's all about consistency
You can put up good #s but if you dont put pts on the board you’re going to lose. In the Arizona game putting up good #s for 2-3 quarters didn’t cut it.
by kolb is better than mcnabb on Oct 18, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the point is that this team simply comes up small in most close games. You have to be able to win those games in the NFL to be a good team.
Im not debating that! all i said was it was like the redskin game where we did nothing the whole game offensively
ONE DRIVE
One consistent drive ending in a TD wins the game.
Andy threw the ball like we were down by 3 scores
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 19, 2009 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the injuries on the offensive line are killer. we would have one of the best o-lines in football if it wasn’t for the injury
your not sure what that means? it means that we had really good players on the offensive line and they got injured and replaced with shitty backups? i dont think any other team has lost 3 former probowlers on there offensive line
I don't know if Shawn Andrews and Jason Peters are pro-bowlers any more
I don’t know if in a system where something like 13 cowboys from last years’ team make the pro bowl the appellation ‘pro-bowler’ means a whole hell of a lot.
Oh come on
You could make an argument for Flozell, Gurode, Hamlin, and Roy Williams(SS) not deserving it, but there was still about 8 who deserved to make it. They did go 13-3 after all…
You guys are really bored, huh?
The Eagles had a bye a few weeks ago, but it never crossed my mind to go kick it with the Giants, Cowboys and Redskins fans.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
You can thank Bye Dawk, he's a regular on BTB
Cowboys fans are still worried about the Eagles though, we’re just happy to still be in the playoff hunt :)
Gotcha
Bye, Dawk is a machine.
I work in D.C. with a Cowboys and a Giants fan (and Dolphins, Pats, Raiders, Lions & Chiefs, but I digress). And another Eagles die-hard.
Me, the Cowboys fan and the Giants fan are all treading lightly around each other, respectful that the other team might be dangerous. The Cowboy fan is easily the most rational one I ever met, and he’s more down on them than I think he should be.
Point is, none of fear the Redskins right now, but we all recognize the other two could be trouble. So I feel you.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I didn't fear the redskins last year either
and they were the only one to sweep us…
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Pro-Bowler
is a popularity contest. Shawn Andrews certainly is not a probowler, he hasn’t been on the field in 2 years, and people are questioning whether he ever will be again. Peters was just in the Pro-Bowl last year, but that was following a season where he game up a league leading # of sacks.
With that said, Peters is a good Tackle, maybe a great one. I’m happy to have him. Dunlap is either a work in progress (aka Justice of last year), or a 6’8" bust!
When you have one of your projected 5 starting lineman in the game…that’s a tough way to move forward
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
When McNabb called that 4th timeout at the end of the 1st half I wanted to punch him in the dick
To me, that mistake was inexcusable. I agree that McNabb has been the best quarterback in the history of this franchise. But, it’s stuff like that, that makes you question where his head is at times and adds to his legacy of being bad in crunch time. It was this season’s version of, “I didn’t know a game could end in a tie.” I know I may be overreacting on this, but stuff like this just grates on me. It’s moments like this that Eagles fans point to when they say he’s not one of the all time greats. Well, enough of that rant.
What really hurts this team is the offensive line. Being wrong on Winston Justice, the Shawn Andrews situation, injury to Todd Herremans, Stacy Andrews and Peters have not helped as expected. It’s all these problems that really cripple the offense. If Shawn Andrews was not out injured and playing like the beast he was in the past, Herremans was healthy, Peters played as we all hoped this offense would be totally different. The constant pressure on McNabb combined with all the drops really made seemed to deflate McNabb.
And yes, the Eagles offense has to run it a little more than they did. I know they aren’t an ass-kicking, grind it out type of offense, but it did not seem like the passing game was clicking and they were not that far behind that they absolutely had to throw it that much. In the third quarter Westbrook broke off runs of 25 and 9 yards on consecutive plays. After that the Eagles passed 23 times and ran it only 3 times. THREE TIMES!!! They were not down far enough to warrant that kind of pass to run ratio. I don’t care what anyone says, you have to run it more than that especially with the pass rush the Raiders were putting up.
I know that we’ve seen situations like this and last year was the best example. They tied the Bengals in an awful game, but managed to come back and make the playoffs. I just have a hard time feeling positive after this. Believe me, I will still be watching and going to all the home games so I’m not off the bandwagon. I’m just a lot more cautious about my expectations for this team.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Oct 18, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
there is not enought heat on akers as theyre should be, yet another game goes by where our kicker could have changed the outcome.we need a replacement for akers as much as we need a playmaking mlb
by rainvillefromottawa on Oct 18, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
Totally agree Akers gets a pass because his stats are padded in games where it doesn't matter
In almost every close game of the last 3 years Akers has been a huge part of the loss. As a kicker that is simply UNACCEPTABLE
I can forgive the miss from 47 yards out, it's not like that's a chip shot.
I think the bad snap on the one from 43 yards out affected the kick, though I agree he probably should have made that one.
Sure, Akers could have made those two field goals, but it’s not like he shanked one off from 28 yards out. If your offense can’t get inside the red zone, there are much bigger problems than the kicker missing from 47 yards out.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Oct 18, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I know that!! I can add! that’s not the point. it’s not akers fault we lost when he misses from 47 and 43. how can you blame akers and ignore the inadequacy of the offense? THEY DIDN’T SCORE A TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!
by the way, it could have been won kicking field goals…but as I said, you don’t win games kicking field goals.
Even if our offense
could have moved 10 yards closer, they would have been easy kicks! This one’s on the “O”, not on Akers
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I'm with you on 47
that’s edge of Akers’ range … most NFL kickers start to get shaky from that distance.
You gotta have it from 43 though. Whether it’s on the snapper or whatever.
I’m with the guys who say if you can’t score a TD against Oakland, the Birds didn’t play well enough to win. But I agree that there are going to be tighter games against better teams, and we’ve got to be able to depend on Akers in the clutch, or else …
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
This wasn't really on him
He didn’t play well, but he had shit in his face all day! The O Line gave him nothing to work with, and Andy refused to run the ball to back up some of that pressure
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
On a side note, why can’t we get a 100+ comments on post-game threads that ended with a win? lol
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Because we need to vent
Plus, after a big win we’re all satisfied and focusing that positive energy on banging our wives and girlfriends.
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Oct 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What he said
Truer words have rarely been spoken.
Plus, as a people, Philly fans are the venting type.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
You know it was bad when the Phillies outscored the Eagles today
Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Oct 18, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
As an aside ...
… I guess I haven’t been posting a lot lately, since JIBTA is now KIBTMcN.
That is him, isn’t it? Posting style matches up.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I've decided the best way to deal with this ...
… is to let it go … if it’s a one-time thing.
If this happens over and over again, it’s agonizing.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
....
you could click on his name and realize he’s been a member for over a year and has 2000 comments.
that has nothing to do with trolling
this HAS been happening over and over again since the super bowl season
Oh true, it has been ...
they blow a game like this at least once a year, sometimes two or three times. I’m thinking JAX 13-6 and TEN 31-13 a few years ago. The Matt Bryant 62-yard FG game against TB might qualify. CIN and BAL last year (although the Ravens were actually good).
It’s absolutely agonizing, especially when you know early on it’s their annual “we’re gonna play like crap for no real reason” game. It’s always midseason, on the road … usually against a middling AFC team.
I just meant within the context of this season, if it’s a one-time thing, hey, it’s the NFL, it happens. I can still harbor Super Bowl dreams.
If they consistently play down to their competition, that’s the sign of a team that isn’t going anywhere.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Baltimore was actually good
But there’s no reason we should have been THAT bad. We couldn’t even manage a field goal! The only points we scored were on Demp’s return.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
I'm reserving judgement till next week
We looked terrible TWICE against washington last year. Our offense could not get in a rhythm in either game. If we come out flat against them, that makes two weeks in a row, and in my mind…that’s a not a fluke
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
A few obvious observations…Antonio Pierce is a goddamn genius. He lit a fire under the Raiders.
Queen Dunlap is horrible. The Axeman should get the axe. Can we trade for a real middle linebacker? We’re not a good defense unless we get one. We can’t win a SB with these linebackers.
McNabb reverted to dirtball and overthrow form.
NOW Westy chooses to play brilliantly?
Why does the Fatman fear methodical, clock-consuming drives to rest his D that involve the run?
Is it me or is McDermott just “ok” as a defensive coordinator?
I fear the Iggles will always be just really good, sometimes overachieve, but never get the brass ring because they just aren’t that good at those Joe Gibbs halftime adjustments you need from great coaches when Plan A goes out the window.
by ghostofandrewatters on Oct 19, 2009 12:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
McDermott
is still new…the jury’s still out on him. Spagnuolo looked pretty bad for several games as the Giants Coordinator in his first year there.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Legitimate concern
That they’ll always be good, never the best.
Also, the Eagles seem to be stuck on “we saw this in our film prep and we think it’ll work” rather than ever scrapping that at the half or otherwise switching on the fly.
You can tell just from AR’s postgame comments Sunday about not running more. “We thought we could exploit some things via the pass.”
Well, maybe before King Dunlap came in.
(although to be fair, they did miss some open WRs and maybe he didn’t want to run behind Dunlap either)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
That's EXACTLY what he said
following the Cincy tie when he was asked why he didn’t run against the 28th ranked run defense in the league
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Honestly
Such a pathetic showing by our team today. The score should’ve been worse (although I do recognize the fact the refs missed a ton of flags). We got really lucky that we had a pick six invalidated and that JR missed a wide open WR in 3rd and short situation during the 2nd half.
Also
When we start blaming Antonio Pierce for losing to the Raiders, you know we have a big problem. The loss is solely on us.
by chrisbeomsuh on Oct 19, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
In ten years the Fatman still can’t step away from the buffet table, use timeouts effectively, manage the clock, or run the ball when he needs to. Other than that, he’s goddamn brilliant.
by ghostofandrewatters on Oct 19, 2009 12:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm so sick of this
Why can’t the Eagles play consistent football; god…every year they throw out one or two of these stinkers where they just come out and play absolutely terrible. I mean I don’t mind a loss here or there but I hate losing in such a manner where we just come out flat in almost all phases except maybe defense I guess kept us in the game despite the play with zach miller and the third and 10 play at the end
As an Eagles fan
I’ve been forced to accept that on any day we can beat the best team in football, and on any day we can lose to the worst team in football.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Oct 19, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
This is always true. No team “scares” me more than the Eagles themselves.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Props. A list of their underachievements has been compiled
http://insidetheiggles.com/2009/10/20/im-not-done-bashing-the-eagles/
Jags, Bucs, Bengals are all on there.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Oh and that Zach Miller play
Was ALL on Trotter
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
The Defense was about normal … bend but don’t break. JeMarcus Russell avoided the pressure pretty well he is a big dude and they couldn’t always get him down.
My issue with this game is this … Oakland gives up 145 yards a game on the ground 27th in the league, Brian Westbrook has an 8.3 yards per carry average and you only hand it to him 6 times?
I get it we like the throw I’m all for that but at some point you need to take a teams weakness and throw it down there fucking throats. The fault of this game lies solely on poor game planning. Reid seemed to believe he would be able to impose his will on an abysmal Raiders team and they stepped up.
Thank you to the Phils for softening the blow from this game with an amazing blowout of the LA Manny’s
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
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