Bill Simmons and Deion Sanders: Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum

To paraphrase the immortal Rodney Dangerfield, I'll tell ya, we don't get no respect...at least not from ESPN's Bill Simmons or the NFL Network's Deion Sanders. The Eagles are headed to the second round of the playoffs after an improbable yet thrilling and uplifting entry after their demolition of the Cowgirls and a difficult yet well-executed road win over the Vikings in round 1. And still, some so-called "experts" among professional football commentators aren't giving this team their due and proper.
First, the cold, hard facts: Was the team inconsistent on offense this year? Yes, absolutely. Do they have problems converting on third and short? Sure. Did Andy's adherance to the pass cost the team a few games? Yup. But here's what the "experts" should remember when writing the Birds off as undeserving of their spot or "crappy," as Bill Simmons of ESPN would have us believe: though this team has compiled some frustrating, stroke-inducing debacles this season, it is also a team that beat the Steelers in week 3, the Falcons in week 8, the Cardinals in week 14 (when everyone had all but nailed their coffin shut), the Giants the following week, and finally the Cowgirls in the final game of the regular season. Add all that to eliminating the NFC North champs in the first round of the playoffs, and you've got a team that can beat ANYONE.
I am not without apprehensions; it would be foolish to be otherwise. But I will not subscribe to the kind of drivel that is emanating from the vipers' nest of commentators. The aforementioned Bill Simmons (who I believe was the subject of a post written earlier by one of our colleagues here at BGN) thinks the Eagles are pretenders; he picked the Vikings to beat them, saying that we were only in the playoffs by virtue of "two even crappier teams losing." Uh, okay, Bill. You forget we still had to beat our most hated rival at home to get in. And thrashing them the way we did doesn't matter? That kind of poise and resolve is negligible? Fine. Oh, by the way, if you want to know how well Simmons knows his teams, here's the measure of his "expertise," as denoted by his preseason picks:
Dallas Cowboys, 12-4, NFC East Champs, NFC Champs
Green Bay Packers, 11-5, NFC North Champs
New Orleans Saints, 10-6, NFC South Champs
Seattle Seahawks, 9-7, NFC West Champs
What do these teams have in common? Two things: 1) NONE of them made the playoffs, and 2) NONE of them even came close to compiling these records. The only accurate pick from Simmons's playoff predictions? The Philadelphia Eagles, in one of the two wild-card spots. Funny that he chooses to trash the only team that gives his preseason candor any credibility. Oh, another thing: he wrote the Giants off as 7-9 also-rans. A noble sentiment, but it couldn't be farther from the truth.
Also, we fans are getting trashed again, this time by our old buddy Deion Sanders. There was an article written in the Inquirer yesterday that printed his attack on Eagles fans that was meant to be advice for Donovan McNabb. He urged McNabb to turn his back on the fans who supposedly turned his back on him first. Look, not ALL of us booed him when he was drafted. Those of us that didn't are tired of explaining this. That was the handiwork of some drunken idiots present at the 1999 draft, and the cameras caught them in all their splendor. Prime-Time, I think he's gotten over it by now. He's the quarterback of the hottest team in the playoffs, the fan base is totally behind him, he's a new father, and a multimillionaire ten times over. He's doing just fine. If Pacman Jones's behavior is any indication of your ability as a mentor, you'd best leave Donovan alone and find some dumb, impressionable, insecure rookie to manipulate. After all, folks, we must bear in mind that while McNabb is currently soaring, Neon Deion is currently groping blindly for some relevance and attention while he wanders aimlessly through the wilderness of post-career commentating on the NFL Network, the league's biggest middle finger to the fans.
Of course, there are those outside the Philly fan circle who believe that this team can go places. I'm just pointing out that those who doubt us do so for the wrong reasons. I won't make any predictions for this weekend, but I'd be delighted to hear what Simmons and Sanders have to say about it. This is the matchup of the "crappy" team and the "also-rans," right, Bill? Should be exciting.
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Deion
Deion want to be McNabbs lawyer or agent or something . Hes an idiot. Where was he after the Bengals and Ravens game. I dont like McNabb and this is one of the reasons. He would show me alot if he would tell Deion to SHUT UP and mind his own bussiness .
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 11:13 AM EST
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you spread a lot of hate towards mcnabb. just a question, in all honesty. would your opinion of mcnabb change IF he leads us to a SB appearance this year? or…SB victory?
by GreenInBaltimore on
Jan 7, 2009 11:59 AM EST
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IN ALL HONESTY
All depends on the way he plays and how the game was won. The steelers and giants both have won and i consider Ben or Eli way overrated and are given way too much credit . If he shines and leads them I will at least come on this board and apologize.
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 12:32 PM EST
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i dont think.....
that anyone here would want an apology. Your feelings on a guy that i like dont bother me.
I would be interested to read a FanPost from you addressed to “Mr. McNabb” if that day were to come….
by GreenInBaltimore on
Jan 7, 2009 11:06 PM EST
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What has Bill Simmons ever done
to make me take him seriously as a football analyst? Seriously, what has he ever done so I would even get upset when he says something ridiculous like that?
As far as Deion, all I can say is that he doesn’t get paid to say things that are calm and reasoned. He gets paid to say things controversial and which will stir up the pot. Most analysts do, of course, but Deion knows that his tv personna is particularly sold as one who says things like that without anything real to back it up. Therefore I pay absolutely zero attention to almost everything he has to say.
Now if Jaws said something like that, he has the credibility to stand behind it. But the bottom line is what my Grandpa always said: Don’t get into an arguement with a fool. People might not be able to tell which is which.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
by NJBammer on
Jan 7, 2009 12:21 PM EST
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Simmons at least used to be funny
Keep the faith!
by Marima on
Jan 7, 2009 12:53 PM EST
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Giants deserve more respect than us
We’ve tied the bengals, scored 3 points against the redskins, our offense isn’t on fire by any means. the Giants are 12-4 and well restead and got a home game. why should people be sucking our balls again?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on
Jan 7, 2009 12:27 PM EST
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Joe D, I don’t think it is about who deserves more respect. I agree with you that the Giants should be getting more respect than the Eagles this week. I think the angst with Bill Simmons is over a complete lack of respect for the Eagles. More importantly, I think it is about how little this guy gets right and yet is somehow considered an expert.
JD 1, I am telling you, McNabb has looked very good these past few weeks. I watched that Minn again last night. He truly was the MVP of that game. It was not done by throwing for 400 yards but he was playing fantastic under constant diress. That is not something he has always done in the past. I also noted one HUGE difference between the Minn game and some key playoff losses from years past. The receivers were catching the ball! I saw some balls that would have been dropped in years past and ended drives.
by Dawk on
Jan 7, 2009 1:25 PM EST
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Dawk
U seem to be one of the saner people bloging. But u have to learn to look at whats really going on and not buy into all the McNabb Hype .the Nfl has its golden boys of which he is one and god forbid you say anything against them. Im not saying he played bad hes a good QB in a average league. But for all these people who worship at this guys feet never mentioning his short commings just frustrates me to all end. And then I have to listen to this guy whine and cry about being treated unfairly. Seeing the quality of the QBS that have won and seeing all the chances the Eagles have had while this guy been here dont u think that he could have come up big just once.And by the your namesake was mvp of the viking game not mcnabb. As long as Reid keeps the game plan he has had over the past 5 , 6 games they have a chance. with 1 exception Buckhalter has to get more than 1 or 2 chances with the ball
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 1:55 PM EST
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Yeah, I am not one of those guys who does not see his shortcomings. Not by any means. As a huge Eagles fan, I won’t claim to have 100% objectivity in the conversation and I also won’t pretend I don’t cling to hope when it isn’t really there. But I feel like I am being as objective as I can possibly be when I say I am very impressed with his play since he was benched.
As for the chances he has had, I think there are two sides to that coin. Maybe those chances only existed because of him. When you look back to the Thrash/Pinkston days, especially. What QB would be in the NFC Championship with those two guys as their top two receiving threats?
Regardless, I am not trying to sway you on the fact that he has failed to meet past expectations or that his perception of his situation is not frustrating. I am just telling you that I am seeing things in Donovan that I have not seen in the past. Equally important, his receivers are now catching all of his balls with the exception of one game of late, the Foreskins.
So let me assure you that if anything is swaying my logic, it is only hope. It is definitely not that I have been persuaded by anyone else that he has no shortcomings. And trust me, if anyone wanted to anoint Dawkins as God, it would be me. So to say I think McNabb was the clear cut MVP of the Minn game, means I really felt strongly about it.
by Dawk on
Jan 7, 2009 3:20 PM EST
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Heres hoping.
Well we disagree there but nothings wrong with that. Heres hoping for a Eagles win sunday and not another dissapointment especially one cause by that big lump in no. 5’s throat
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 4:15 PM EST
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wtf
what’s wrong with you dude? you’d be better off being a giant or skins fan.
4th and 26!!!!
by kingofnorth on
Jan 7, 2009 4:28 PM EST
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JD
find another team to hate on nobody cares or likes u here . thats what deon is saying he is tired of our fans and media not behind our qb like say a manning or a romo , hasselback u never here about fans trashing the best player besides PHILLY.
BY the way great post jaws well put .
by FLAeagle on
Jan 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST
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Inteligent post
Who gives a crap what Deion is or isnt tired of .Whats that jackass got to do with the eagles anyway. Im sure they are singing the praises of Tony Romo in Dallas over the past 2 weeks . And Eli Manning was ripped by teamates ,Tiki Barber for one ,and all of New york until they won the Super Bowl last year. I dont mind people disagreeing with me but I do mind when dopes like u make stupid statements like your last one. How many Seatle radio stations have u listened to lately how many Dallas newspapers have you read? Oh yeah thats right u get your info from Deion Sanders.
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 4:11 PM EST
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how many dallas newspapers/seattle radio stations do you listen to?
you do have a problem when people disagree with you, because the only time you have acted reasonably is if someone in some way said they didn’t think mcnabb was good. everyone else you tell they are stupid.
by eagleyosh on
Jan 7, 2009 4:42 PM EST
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I do when they make untrue statements
U said that the fans are behind romo as hasselbeck and manning no matter what. So i responded by asking u how do u know this. U made a statement and i was asking u to back it up thats all. the problem on here that people like u say anything u want even when it isnt true So tell me How do u know those players have the backing of their hometown fans? Where did u get your information?
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 5:12 PM EST
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be careful of what you wish for
ok dude when kevin kolbs are QB. and were in the same boat as detriot dont say i miss mcnabb then, mcnabb is the best QB. in the history of the eagles and people like you that blame everything on mcnabb maybe if he actually had some wideouts that would help all thoe jackson i think will be a awesome WR. in a few and for the exception of owens there hasnt been any targets to throw to….i mean you can hate mcnabb all you want but dont hate him one week and love him the next ..those are the people that make us all look bad
by fly eagles fly on
Jan 7, 2009 6:54 PM EST
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Whats kolb got to do with it
I never said kolb is the answer and i said i would keep mcnabb because he is one of the better qbs in the league He just isnt this God that most of these people say he is . Is he better than kolb ? OF COURSE But in my opinion the main reason the eagles have never won a championship is because in clutch situations he has not got it done.
by JD 1 on
Jan 7, 2009 7:17 PM EST
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McNabb’s won 7 playoff games. Were those not clutch situations?
McNabb isn’t above criticism, but people who say he’s a choker or can’t win big games have selective memories.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 7, 2009 8:21 PM EST
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No not really
Tampa and carolina at home in the nfc title games . 3 interceptions in the super bowl. What about those games Yeah hes won playoff games but when u are playing teams like Atlanta Minn GB at home, when u are a substantal favorite isnt that big of an accomplishment . Everyone makes such a big thing about the playoff games hes won but when u look closely they had all the advanages (home team , bye week)and were the better team , in other words they were supposed to win those game. So let him win a championship or a big game where they are and underdog as they are against the Giants. If u are happy with just making the playoffs well the so be it I am not I want a title. Stop letting people like Berman Jackson Sanders Eskin Jaws Kornheiser , who are nothing more than paid schills for the NFL , tell u what to think and dont be happy just to be there.
by JD 1 on
Jan 8, 2009 12:03 AM EST
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Every playoff game is an elimination game. You’re just defining the big games as “big games that McNabb didn’t win.”
I’m not going to argue that he’s been good in every big game. I’m still pissed about the Tampa and Carolina games and the Super Bowl. I will be until they win a championship. But in your attempt to label McNabb as a choker, I think you’re picking and choosing what you count as big games.
McNabb has won playoff games on the road, and don’t forget that the Eagles have had the opportunity have so many home playoff games, and were the favorites in them, in no small part because of the play of McNabb during the regular season.
You’re giving him a ton of blame for the losses, but not enough credit for the wins. It’s a team game. (And don’t forget those “easy” home playoff games against Minny and Atlanta in ’04 were won without the pro-bowl-asshole WR in the lineup)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 8, 2009 11:35 AM EST
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+1
But T.O. and his sideline histrionics wear on a quarterback. He's like the hot stripper you tried to clean up and convert into a real girlfriend. It's a lot of fun until the moment she has her second drink while out to eat with your parents. You unravel quicker than she does.
by foos05 on
Jan 8, 2009 12:04 PM EST
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you dont get the opportunity to lose big games such as the NFC championship unless you win a few big games beforehand.
and I disagree with your assessment of “easy” playoff games. in many of our playoff wins the Eagles have had a ton of intangibles going against them. take a look:
- ‘01-’02 we went up to Chicago and spanked a favored Bears team and had ND Kalu’s fingers been 3 inches longer we would have blocked a punt and beaten the mighty Rams in St. Louis. Donovan played well enough to win that game, the Rams were just a little better
- 02’-‘03 back when Michael Vick first burst onto the scene and was hailed as a revoultionary force in the NFL. the Falcons were hot, meanwhile McNabb hadn’t played in almost 7 weeks because of the ankle injury. and yet McNabb showed little rust and we beat the Falcons handily
-‘03-’04 dont even get me started about this one. easily my favorite game of all time. remember when Brett Favres dad died and the packers beat 4 crappy teams to end the season and all of the sudden Brett Favre was the reincarnation of Joe Montana in his prime? remember when every single sportscaster had Favres dick in their mouths and everyone thought that ‘god’ was on GB’s side? remember when the Eagles came out flat and quickly fell in the hole 14-0 to a red hot Packers team? and remember when Donovan lead the team to that thrilling overtime win despite the fact that everyone in America seemed to be pulling for the Packers?
The only playoff loss I put squarely on Donovans shoulders is the Tampa Bay Game. that doesnt mean he played great against Carolina and New England, but there was a lot more to those games then just the quarterback. the Carolina game was 7-3 for almost the entire game. what if Todd Pinkston had just played bad instead of just vomit inducing awful that game? maybe one of those Ricky Manning interceptions would have turned into a big pass play instead.
I can’t stand McNabb’s ‘woe is me’ attitude sometimes but its not fair to label him as a choker. Peyton Manning has taken a dump in a lot more big games then Donovan yet hes a golden boy because he won one superbowl.
by njh3293 on
Jan 8, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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Brian S and njh3293
Well written and expressed .I disagree but theres nothing wrong with that. The bottom line is that the eagles are still with out a Super Bowl hopefully this will end in the next few weeks.
by JD 1 on
Jan 8, 2009 7:41 PM EST
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Outstanding Post!
Jaws – you exposed Simmons with your recap of his pre-season picks. How ironic that WE were the only team he got right, and then now he won’t even pick us to beat the Vikings? hahaha – Very entertaining!
And Deion, chill out – didn’t you see Hanson give you some Philly props by doing your dance?
As far as the booing of McNabb at draft day… Yes that’s embarassing. But these days every single team does it (if their team doesn’t draft the popular pick). Every year. I didnt get into draft day until a few years ago so I’m not sure when this trend began, but for the past 5 years that I watched the entire first/second round – I see every fan base getting rowdy if they don’t like their pick. Yet you never hear about that on ESPN.
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
by goodfella46er on
Jan 7, 2009 8:14 PM EST
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mcnabb isnt clutch whos back has this team been on for the past 10 years
by fly eagles fly on
Jan 7, 2009 9:31 PM EST
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And they have how many rings?
MCNabb Reid Laurie Banner Champions in their own minds. Thank God for the phillies who finally have put these phonies in their place.
by JD 1 on
Jan 8, 2009 12:12 AM EST
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Simmons
Is only good for his NBA stuff. Ignore the rest.
by DeafJesse on
Jan 8, 2009 8:46 AM EST
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I like his vegas stories. I don’t think he knows any more about football than the average fan.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 8, 2009 11:37 AM EST
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sometimes hes funny, but his articles are often 7 pages longer then they need to be, often covering every topic BUT what he is supposed to be writing about
by njh3293 on
Jan 8, 2009 2:16 PM EST
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That’s ok. When it comes to simmons, I’d rather read about LOST, or he and his friends’ stupid trip to Vegas, or how high his readers are, than sports most of the time.
He’s a fan. He feels about his teams like I do about mine, I think, and he has the same dumb arguments about being a fan that I have with my friends, so that’s cool. I just think basketball is the only sport where he really has expertise beyond the average fan.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 8, 2009 7:56 PM EST
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true, but I must admit I read his column almost every week because I think the way he makes fun of the crappier teams in the nfl (cincy, detroit, st louis) is hilarious.
by njh3293 on
Jan 9, 2009 9:38 AM EST
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I read it all the time. I agree with you, but I get mad at him when it’s my team he’s making of. (Which is sort of crazy of me, I admit.)
My and I my friends have these long, ongoing argument (which usually start when we’re drunk and then continue forever over e-mail) about stupid things like when/whether it’s appropriate to boo your own team and what makes someone a bandwagon fan and kind of worthless stuff like that.
I can just see Simmons and his friends having the same stupid drunk arguments, except they’re a bunch of jackass boston fans. (As an Orioles an Eagles fan, Boston teams have really eaten my lunch the past few years.)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST
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good way to put it, BrianS...
“He’s a fan. He feels about his teams like I do about mine, I think, and he has the same dumb arguments about being a fan that I have with my friends, so that’s cool. I just think basketball is the only sport where he really has expertise beyond the average fan.”
Yup. Let’s just take Bill at face value, then.
by DeafJesse on
Jan 9, 2009 11:54 AM EST
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Exactly. Bill’s a fan that can write. A die-hard fan of the Boston teams no less.
So while you’re watching the Eagles every week, he’s watching the Pats. And he’s not an expert … what could he possibly have to tell you?
As far as Deion, I’d only care what he thinks because it appears he has a relationship with McNabb that could ultimately influence what Donovan thinks/does.
The roundtable on the NFL Network after the Cardinals game was very telling. Donovan was clearly not pleased with the benching; although he’s not looking to get out of town, he’s definitely looking for some more respect from Andy and Jeff Lurie.
Those guys usually don’t do anything rash, and I’d expect them to keep Donovan here as long as there are no better options available. And right now, I don’t see one showing up anytime soon, so it’s No. 5 til the wheels fall off.
I am selling his jersey while I can still get something for it though :)
by D3Keith on
Jan 9, 2009 10:50 PM EST
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