The Official McNabb Thread and poll
by Joe_D on Jan 24, 2009 6:40 PM EST
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PrintLet's put this debate all to one thread instead of 50. I think it's a good topic.
My opinion on McNabb is that he's a good quarter back, not great. I think we can win a championship with him as much much worse QBs have gotten rings. As for the "We're going 0-16 if we get rid of McNabb," argument; I seem to remember a 37 year old QB named Jeff Garthia (Garcia) to bring us within 3 points of going to another CG without McNabb (who was just so happening to put together a few really bad games after a red hot start). In others words, we can win with him, and we can win without him. We've done it both ways.
McNabb's strengths:
- Elusive, can evade tacklers
- Rocket of an arm
- Good deep ball
- Can use his legs to make plays if he has to
- Can make some really big plays
- Doesn't throw a lot of picks. Career TD/INT 194/90
McNabb's weaknesses:
- Inconsistent at times.
- Not the most accurate short yard passer. (Throws ball into the ground, behind players)
- Not the quickest decision maker.
- Sometimes holds onto the ball to long and takes a sack and in worst case scenarios he gets the ball stripped.
Here's a poll to see where everyone else stands.
Debate away but quit the name calling BS.
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McNabb is a good player when hes asked to carry the offense and a great player when he doesnt have to be the star all the time. Im willing to live with his innacuracy because he doesnt turn the ball over. every QB makes bad throws in a game, for most QB’s those bad throws turn into picks, McNabb’s bad throws fall relatively harmlessly to the ground.
a lot of people say that this past season McNabb had the playmakers around him and that wide reciever was no longer an issue for the team. while I love Curtis and jackson and they are great players, they do not intimidate a defense. defenses know that they can play their base coverage on these guys. their both on the smaller side and tend to get pushed around at the line of scrimmage. For this same reason they are able to use their speed and get loose for some big plays over the top, but again they do not change a defense. the only player on our offense that opposing coaches have to gameplan for is Westbrook, and hes getting more and more banged up. Put one more gamebreaker on our offense and McNabb will be much better for it.
and i know im beating a dead horse by saying its wrong to blame McNabb for the CG loss but its the truth. Ben Roethlesberger’s numbers were far worse then McNabb’s (all season for that matter) yet his teams going to the superbowl because the rest of his team picked him up. I know McNabb left plays on the field but thats just part of the game, your not going to make a perfect throw everytime. unfortunately it happened when we had chances for big plays.
Yes the defense was our MVP and the main reason we got to the CG, but they are also the number one reason we did not win it. McNabb did pretty much everything he could to win that game.
You made some good points.
I just want the McNabb supporters to agree that McNabb overall did not have a good first half in the CG.
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oh
i will definatly agree with that. Some of his errant passes caused us to punt sometimes. He can also be blamed for some of our losses this season. But, I want the McNabb haters to agree that McNabb is the reason why were able to come roaring back in the second half, and that Brady and Manning have had shitty games, but it was solid TEAM play that has cause the game to be won. McNabb 70% of the time has not had that solid TEAM play. CG for example. I love McNabb, always will. I grew up loving this guy and watching him win. I dont worship him. I respect and look up to him. When Kolb comes in and wins, I shall have that same respect, but my hero will be 5. corny, i know, but i grew up watching this guy and still love him. Hate me or respect me Joe. I still follow #5!
#5 over "kobb" anyday!
McNabb haters
This is where many are missing the boat. I’ve said I wouldn’t mind it if McNabb moved on. I don’t hate him. I do respect him. I’d thank him for what he has done for the team. I would wish him well. Don’t confuse people opining that he should move on with it being anything personal.
McNabb is the reason why were able to come roaring back in the second half
That and the defense giving up zero points.
I agree with all except
He was ONE of the reasons why we came back, not THE reason.
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This is my problem
If you’re in the crowd that wants McNabb out and thinks he’s the reason we haven’t won a superbowl… You need to give us a plan. You need to tell us what we’d do at QB post McNabb that will make us a better team.
But… McNabb hasn’t won a superbowl. What more proof do you need?!!?!?!?!/1/111111111111
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yomjoeseki
You are not reading correctly what jasonb has commented. What are we to do if you want McNabb gone ? Who will start ? Kolb ? Do we sign someone else ? Thats what Jason is looking for … give him and us insight on why Kolb will be better how will he utilize the other players we have.
Joe_D this is the approach that McNabb lovers can respect. Your random negative comments were what made people call you names and bash your opinion on the topic. This is the gentleman like approach that can bring good discussion to our blog. Not just screaming 5 sucks start Kolb! Thank you for finally taking the correct approach and being the bigger man.
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
your comment
is irrelevant without applying it towards an argument. How is another qb going to take us to the superbowl better than mcnabb can ? Muttering superbowl over and over makes me second guess how intelligent “my” condiments in the fridge would be if i put “you” in there. Give me an argument, who is going to take us to big game and how. We want to discuss not ramble phrases.
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
He's just fuckin with you NPK.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
yea
i figured that out after 5 mins of posting lol
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 25, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Valid questions
If McNabb is gone. Don’t just hand the job to Kolb, but let him know that it is his to lose. Bring in a veteran. They are out there. Plenty that would welcome a backup job in Philly, especially with a young QB as the starter. As for Kolb being better right now, you never know. It might take 2-3 years to find out the answer. Me, I’m willing to take the risk in order to find out.
If we released McNabb, the best QB available either on our team or through free agency or draft would be…
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Donovan McNabb.
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yomjoseki
your an asshole if you have been sarcastic the whole time …. lol
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is
I never said any of the "Screw 5, start Kolb) after that game. I felt strongly against the entire team after that loss, and rightfully so. Maybe a couple of the things I said were the loss talking. but you know what I can do is point out that everyone has said something after a loss, especially after this year. Most people on the board were calling for reid’s head (including me at one point) and even a good deal wanted to give Kolb the go ahead after the Raven’s game.
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i hear you joe and i respect your viewpoint after taking this avenue of approach
but i am almost positive you cant call me out ;)
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Well I won’t debate that, and I wouldn’t call you out either. After all, I’m enlisting in the marines and we could be brothers if I’m not DQed ;)..
Im just saying overall, there’s a lot of people who were pretty critical of people during the season that theyre supporting now.
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not this guy :P
hey im out in 5 days ! woot … and why would you be dqed ? all you need to do is three pullups lol
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 25, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you
Yep, entire team is to blame. Seems you have the same opinion as me, no one gets a pass. I just don’t see why anyone is giving McNabb a pass. He played 20 good minutes out of 60. he shares the blame.
Exactly
I feel everyone blew that game equally. When our offense struggled a lot of it had to do with McNabb or our banged up line letting some guys slip through. I just don’t like the “If it weren’t for McNabb” argument because when we did win a lot of the times it was because of our defense.
I’m not in the get him out of here group, but I’m going to hold him accountable when he plays like sh*t too.
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i dont know if thats factual , time wise
but you have to look at it this way … look what our o line had given him to work with … if the o line would of been solid and mcnabb didnt do anything with it , then i would be yelling about mcnabb or at least contently agreeing he was a major reason for the loss.
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 25, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
That comment
is simplistic.
"This world extends way beyond this little field of dreams we're dancing in and I want to see that world"
Well
We all want to win a SB. This is where it gets tough. How to do it. I’m one of the guys that would not mind seeing McNabb move on. And I’ll tell you why.
It’s all about a gut feeling I have. The gut feeling is based on watching the guy for 10 years, and from watching football for close to 35 years. Damn I’m old! I just don’t see it in him. Don’t see it in the way he carries himself, his body language. Don’t see him as a leader. That’s all I got. I’ll be the first to admit I could be wrong.
Flame away if you must.
fireeeeeeeeeeeee lol jp
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I just don’t see it in him. Don’t see it in the way he carries himself, his body language. Don’t see him as a leader.
Most regular sports networks, ESPN, Foxsports, etc don’t show us inside the locker room. NFL Network does and I have seen this guy. He is the heart and soul of our offense, like B-Dawk is for the whole team. He is yelling, priasing, shouting, the works in the locker room. I remember his comment in the locker room after i think the Minnesota game. “They should have never let us into the playoffs, (cant remember the rest but something bot wrecking hell)” This guys is a leader, ask anyone on the team. Hell, ask the ball boys and they can tell you.
#5 over "kobb" anyday!
IF.. and I do mean IF
If, the team decided to move on here’s what I would do:
Personally, I don’t know the X and O’s like our coaches do. I don’t know how to scout talent or spot talent like they do. I don’t see everyone at practice and I don’t analyze game tape for hours on end.
So with that said. If the coaches believe Kevin Kolb has the ability to start in this league, then the approach I would take is to prepare him as the starter. Give him time to work with the #1 offense, let him start in the pre season games, and let him start for a season.
If Kolb truly ends up being a terrible QB then the smart idea would be to sign a back up that could win some games for this team. Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner are veteran back ups that led their team real far this year when their starters were incompetent. Hey, old ass Jeff Garcia did it for us too. He most likely won’t be playing for the Bucs after this year either.
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If it’s not obvious enough already I like McNabb and want him to remain with the team and when I’m saying otherwise I’m joking and being a satirical asshole.
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your a dick
and most definitely did not make it anywhere near obvious you were being sarcastic ..
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 24, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I want McNabb to say
For this simple reason. He gives us our best shot to win right now. There’s no QB out there in free agency, or in the draft(at least where we will be picking), or available via trade, or on this team that gives us a better shot to get back to the postseason and win than McNabb.
Until that’s no longer true, he’s my pick for QB.
I still count Kolb as a total unknown and this point I see no reason to think he could step in an do a better job than McNabb right now.
+5
I’m not delusional I know McNabb has his faults, he does things that piss me off and he does things that make me stare in amazement. To think that he is not our best option to win is delusional to want to get rid of him a man that has proven himself for a rookie who has not … or to get an old vet that may or may not fit in our system seems insane to me.
I remember when Peyton Manning kept losing to the Colts and everyone was saying he couldn’t win the big game or couldn’t defeat the Pats. Well he got over the hump and McNabb will to, but not if we quit on him.
I’m just glad the people running the Eagles have more sense then some of the people who post on this board. I’ve done well in my career by taking risks and I have seen a lot of people get fucked by taking risks on emotion and I think that’s what is going on here. Luckily emotional fans don’t make the decisions for the team.
Oh and before people bring up “look at what Jeff Garcia did” let’s look at this amazing 2006 run he had …
against Tenn after McNabb was injured … lost only down by a TD to the 3-7 Titans
Lost miserably to the 10-1 Colts 45-21
Beat the 6-6 Panthers thanks to a Brian Dawkins INT that set up the game winning FG (27-24)
Beat the 4-9 Redskins 2 tds in the first hald then disappeared 164 yds for the game (21-19)
Beat the 7-7 Giants on the back of 4 TDs by Westy(2) and Buck(1) and Trent Cole (1 INT ) (36-22)
Beat the 9-6 Cowboys where the D caused 3 turnovers and held them to 200 total yards (23-7)
Beat the 8-8 Giants barely on the back of 141 yards and a TD from Westbrook (Garcia went 17/31 153 1TD) (23-20)
Lost to the Saints we all know about that.
And A.J. Feely beat up on a Vickless Falcons who had given up on their season.
So he beat 1 team over .500 and the Defense pretty much won that game for him so leave it alone.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Yeah people I know always bring that season up and it pisses me off so much. “How come they were losing games with him and they won without him?!”
Uh, if you were an Eagles fan and actually followed the games, you’d know. But you’re not and all you know is they won without him and assume he’s the reason why we were losing. He was having a fantastic year and better statistically than the QBs that replaced him. Our defense wasn’t playing as well as it did in the second half of the year.
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Also
Yeah people I know always bring that season up and it pisses me off so much. "How come they were losing games with him and they won without him?!"
I can see where that would piss u off cause u have no rational way to explain it other than McNabbs a choke
You forgot
U didnt mention that Garcia only threw 2 interceptions during that time as well. But Im sure that was just an oversite on your part cause u have been so unbias and accurate in the past.
McNabb was having a career year, retard. 18 TDs and 6 INTs. You’re such a fucking joke.
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uhmmm
He was struggling REALLY bad before he got injured the past few games. That offense had no consistency either. We either had big plays or went 3 and out.
You guys are definitely are delusional if you think we can’t win without McNabb. That has been proven. We could’ve beat the Saints too, if anyone remembers we got screwed on a lot of calls that game and we were going on 6 days of rest.
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McNabb's stats in 2006
The past 5 games before he was injured. The only team we beat was that what you guys call “Sub par Washington Redskins.”
record: 1-4
TD/INT 7/5
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He was injured for a few games before he messed up his knee, though I can’t remember how many.
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Either way
He was stringing together some of his inconsistent games. Like I said, McNabb is good but if you’re a hardcore supporter you can’t claim that he’s a consistent QB.
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Every QB struggles at times and no QB is entirely consistent and the point is you go with the guy that gives you the best chance of winning and that has been and will be McNabb and I wouldn’t trade him for anyone else in the league except for Manning or Brady and we all know that ain’t going to happen, so yeah, I’m gonna be happy with McNabb.
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Stop making excuses for McNabb
Not all QBs struggle in the beginning of almost every game like he does. Most don’t go through 3-4 game periods were they look like absolute hell then 3-4 impeccable games. When McNabb is on fire, he’s one of the best in the league, I will concede that. I think we can win with him, but I believe we can win without him too, and we have despite what everyone says.
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I think you need to watch some Bears games from the sexy rexy regime or maybe the Lions the past few years, maybe ATL between Vick and Ryan, how about Oakland … you are greedy Joe and you need to humble yourself and realize that we are lucky to even have a guy like McNabb because they don’t grow on trees.
be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
We are lucky to have McNabb
I will concede that. I just want you guys to admit he can be part of the problem. I want you guys to admit in the Arizona game that he did NOT have a good first half regardless if he rallied the troops in the 2nd half.
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I've never once said he was infallible ...
I’m just tired of hearing we should move on because I know what can and more then likely will happen if we give up on a guy who is a proven winner.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Also, 7 TDs and 5 INTs isn’t really even bad. It’s pretty average, and he was hurt.
Week 6 loss: 24-27 against the Saints. 24 points ain’t bad on the road against a division winner. I looked at the stats. Everything was pretty even. It was a battle of field position. Saints came out on top. It happens.
Week 7 loss: 21-23 against the Bucs, on the road again. McNabb had 3 INTs and the Bucs didn’t turn the ball over at all. That was the game we lost on a last second miracle field goal, right? McNabb’s fault we lost, though, right?
Week 8
They sucked against the Jags. They all just sucked.
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Actually
McNabb threw 2 tds to the Bucs that game as both were returned by Barber. So yeah, he had a HUGE part in that loss.
7 tds and 5 ints in a 5 game stretch is not good when you made the point that he was having a career year that year. He was not doing good at the time of injury. The offense was sucking hard and when Jeff came in the offense started to do very well. When we lost to the Saints that was mostly defense as they gave up a million yards on rushing… BUT if McNabb were playing we probably would’ve won the SB that year right?
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How the hell would I know? I know he’s a better QB than Garcia and we would always have a better chance to win with McNabb than with Garcia which is why we left his ass go and we kept McNabb and McNabb’s been the starter for 10 years (save for half a game) and he’ll be the starter.
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lost by a FG to the Saints that beat your Philadelphia Garcia’s … Lost to Tampa which admittedly McNabb had a horrendous game and a Matt Bryant 63 fuckin yarder, and lost to the Jags in a game I was there to witness in person and was the most boring game ever. I’m not saying we CAN or CAN’T win without McNabb, I’m saying I don’t want to find out because I know we CAN win with him.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Fair enough
I just want the 100% pro McNabb supporters to admit that he absolutely comes with some flaws and he’s partly to blame for some of our failures.
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You can’t call him a part of our problems when you can’t replace him with something better. If there’s nothing better out there, then HE’S OUR GUY. WE’RE STUCK WITH HIM. WE NEED TO IMPROVE IN OTHER AREAS.
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how does that matter ... he was playing sub-par teams ...
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
bad to criticize mcnabb on his interceptions...
seeing as he has the lowest interception percentage of any QB…
+1
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
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