Don't give up on Winston Justice yet

by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2009 12:10 PM EST Comment 24 comments

Don't give up on Winston Justice just yet. He was a badass coming out of school and he hasn't seen a lot of playing time because we had our starters in place. All we have to go on is one foul memory. He could very well be the starting left tackle next year. Andy Reid is a very good evaluator of talent, especially on the O line. Not much of a point to this fanpost, just that I think we're all accepting the fact that Justice was a bust and we need to draft O line early and that might not be the case.

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I agree

Although why did you say left tackle? He was naturally a RT and we might not bring Runyan back. If not, I think they’ll give Justice every chance to win the job. It’d be a great redemption story! I’m not holding my breath but he deserves the chance to be a starter.

by ajay on Jan 22, 2009 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My bad, RT

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot he was out of place when he filled in for Tra

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And we all know how that went... ;-)

by ajay on Jan 22, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Even if Winston can play, we’ll likely still need one more OT.

The problem is, we won’t know if he suddenly figures it out until the draft and free agency are over. I’m sure the whole organization hopes Justice can develop, but I can’t imagine they’d rely on him at this point.

If we drafted another OT early and the best case scenario happens and Justice can play… Then we leave Herremans and Andrews where they are and our line looks great.

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by JasonB on Jan 22, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I missed the part where he let Tuck block the field goal. It was a really pussy attempt at a block. I think Justice has one more shot to make this team, or he is cut.

by Clyde Simmons on Jan 23, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I totally agree.

by cool-rockin-daddy on Jan 22, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thoughts on Jordan Gross

Personally, I think Tra slid quite a bit this year. Runyan was not the same after the injury but I would be more inclined to try to upgrade the LT position if it was possible. Jordan Gross is a FA and he made the Pro Bowl as a LT. At the same time, I hear he is a much better RT. Thoughts on making this signing?

by Dawk on Jan 22, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

problem with gross is if the panthers do not franchise peppers they WILL franchise gross. So I guess it boils down to who the panthers decide they wanna keep

by 0sirys on Jan 22, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Would they franchise him twice?

I guess they would. Maybe they’d just give him a long-term deal.

by ajay on Jan 22, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t think you could franchise more than once…

by Clyde Simmons on Jan 22, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You can, but most teams won’t because it becomes very costly.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

most teams won’t because when players sign the franchise tender they make them put into the deal that the team won’t use the tag on them again the next year. Asante did that with the Pats.

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by Whodie126 on Jan 22, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s the reason sometimes, too. But there’s safeguards in place so a team won’t just franchise the same guy 3 times in a row.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They franchised Gross last year and the thing is when you franchise a guy, you gotta pay the average of the top 5 salaries of the players at his position OR 120% of his salary last year, whichever is greater. Since he was franchised last year, they’d have to pay him 120% of what he made last year which would be somewhere around $10M for one year. If they don’t think that’s worth it, and they don’t agree on a long term deal, then he’s gone.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Pepp wants out of CAR

Asked them not to franchise him. My best mate is a panthers fan, says Pepp wants to be a 3-4OLB, and reckons that hell go to jax who are apparently switching to a 3-4, and so he can be re-united with his former DC when he was truly dominant Jack Del Rio.

by CPaulin on Jan 24, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i was all about winston justice and giving him another chance but he was also responsible for the blocked field goal at the second giants game this year too. I don’t doubt winston has the talent but i do not think he has the killer instinct and unfortunately that is not something someone can teach you

by 0sirys on Jan 22, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I won't give up on him

but we are great at spotting talent on the O-line and if our FO doesn’t think he’s good enough and cuts him, then I trust them 1000%.

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by Joe_D on Jan 22, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not giving up on him either

But the fact that Andy never put him in even at times when Tra and Runyan were clearly struggling doesn’t suggest that Andy has much faith in him.

by MJW on Jan 22, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Don’t you mean Winston Bust-ice?

I’m kidding…but the nickname’s just too easy. Prove me wrong, Winston1

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Jan 22, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What about King Dunlap?

I know he’s got that rep of being an underachiever, but hopefully he can get his 6’8 frame into motion and use his God-given gifts. He showed some attitude on the field during pre-season, although he was barely on the field from what I remember, and his long arms have got to be a help.

Clearly he’ll have to fight for the spot during camp, and I hope he gets it. He’d be such a presence. I just hope he fully recovers from his season ending injury. (sarcasm)

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by goodfella46er on Jan 22, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

There is a big reason he came down with the mystery injury and was placed on IR … they definitely have hopes for the kid.

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by Whodie126 on Jan 23, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

I have completely given up on justice. he is a wash. the team was trying different formations this season that would slide herremans out to tackle if runyan or thomas got hurt. This is because they would do anything to keep justice on the sideline where he belongs. the only reason he is still around is cause he was the best of the worst lineman. that is not the distiction you strive to acheive. they just didn’t have another option at the time. hell, rookie mike mcglynn came closer to cracking the field this year than justice did.

by bula412 on Jan 23, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

The kid has talent -what he needs is instruction and confidence. No thanks to Andy Reid for putting him one on one the whole damned game against a premier pass-rusher, long before he was prepared for that, and shattering his confidence. Every time he gets out on the practice field he probably still thinks he’s going to get his ass kicked. That said, Andy is (usually) good at putting good lines on both sides of the ball -that’s the main reason we’re a perennial playoff team. So if Justice still has it, Andy’ll see it -and if he doesn’t, end of story.

by rockaintdeadyet on Jan 24, 2009 1:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs