"How the 'ell did we get here?" — RotB Q & A
Greetings from Revenge of the Birds! First off I'd like to congratulate Andy Reid and his Philadelphia Eagles for their spectacular run to finish the season and their progress through the post-season. Has everyone in Philly sent thank you cards to Oakland yet? The fact that fourth and sixth seeds in the NFC are playing to be the NFC representative in Super Bowl XLIII is amazing. Thinking back to that Thanksgiving Day game and where the teams were then and where they are now truly makes one wonder "how the hell did they/we get here?".
Hopefully I can answer some of those questions or at least point you to other sources that can answer better than I.
All season long the Leinart vs. Warner question came up and after this playoff run, I don't think our "standard" answer holds sway anymore. Leinart is the future of the Cardinals' QB position; whether that future is next year or the year after is the big debate. It all hinges on whether Kurt Warner decides to hang it up after this season. Either the success he's experiencing now whets his desire to give another gruelling season a go or it satiates his competitive juices enough to let Brenda rope him into retirement. ::smirk::
Enjoy the week of build-up, BGN! Sunday should be an entertaining game no matter what colour your blood is.
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I’m going to take a bit of a twist on the Leinart/Warner situation. You say that Leinart is your future at the QB position either next year or the following year; depending on when Kurt hangs it up. But are you really sure that’s the case? My question is, do YOU feel that Leinart will present your team with an opportunity to win? Or should you be looking into the draft this year? I will admit that I’ve only seen him play a handful of games, but for lack of a better term, he’s looked putrid. I know this doesn’t relate to our upcoming game, but I’m just curious where you stand on this…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 12:32 PM EST
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We really have seen much of him either.
Honestly. He played here and there his rookie season and actually did ok. Last year he shared snaps and plays with Warner and didnt play well but then was lost for the season. And so far we havent seem him at all this year.
by Andrew602 on
Jan 13, 2009 12:57 PM EST
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Matt can run an NFL offense
Can he run Kurt Warner’s offense? Doubtful. Can he run an offense in the NFL? A Cardinals offense? Definitely. The Steelers game from last year is a good example of that. In the games he’s had success it’s when a solid run game is setting up his passing plays. Clearly, the Cards need to extricate themselves from 32nd in league rushing if Matt is the QB. If Warner goes off into Daddy DayCare Land next year, the Cards will have to focus on strengthening their offensive line, tight ends, and the running back position through the draft and free agency.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 12:57 PM EST
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Offensive Line
I believe that Leinart is capable of leading this team to victory. He was in close contention for the starting job competing with Warner half way though preseason.
I think all of Leinart’s relative experience was established behind a dominant O-line (which we do not have) like you saw at USC. With the O-Line as a focus in draft and free agency he can be productive as a team leader as soon as next year.
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:07 PM EST
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Looks like we where thinking along the same lines hawk
:)
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:08 PM EST
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Thanks for minding the thread, Matt and Andrew
My job doesn’t require this much tippity-tappity of the keyboard and I think the co-workers are taking notice. I’ll check back in a couple hours for my “lunch-break”.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 1:11 PM EST
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I agree
I think Leinart is a good option and will be very good when given the chance. It looks like a similar situation with Rodgers/Favre in the GB. I mean shit isn’t he under contract for another 4 years.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:28 PM EST
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The Card’s QB situation has been pretty interesting. Like us, they had their QB of the future out for test drive, and he didn’t look good.
Leinart actually got a real shot though before being benched for Warner, didn’t he?
Anyway, what I’m trying to say is we’ll give you Kevin Kolb for Larry Fitzgerald. :-)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 13, 2009 2:15 PM EST
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I recall you guys were offering Lito Sheppard for Fitz early in the preseason
Needless to say, that “mental masturbation” didn’t bear any fruit. :D
Leinart was thrown in the fire in Denny Green’s last season and he was mediocre at best, gawd-awful at worst (Raiders and Leinart don’t mix well). He was developing steadily last year until hurt and Warner came in and showed the league he had a lot to offer. Until he the Raiders’ preseason game, I figured he was the starting QB. I guess I have the Raiders to thank for something after all. Add my name to your Thank You cards for the Raiders beating the Bucs!
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 3:14 PM EST
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Don't forget that Matty was a draftee from the Denny Green era.
Although we are confident in him becoming our starting QB next season or the year after, we will always be looking for upgrades. I have no doubt that Whiz will be looking for his guy in the bottom of the draft for security.
by hevchv on
Jan 14, 2009 11:06 AM EST
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Question
During the regular season, it seemed like teams could run on you guys fairly well. What’s changed in the post-season? I didn’t see Michael Turner or Smash & Dash do much against you (although I think Carolina oddly gave up running the ball). Is it better tackling? Players minding the gaps? Do you think the Eagles can have success?
Thanks for this thread!
by ajay on
Jan 13, 2009 12:35 PM EST
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Clancy directed the LBs to stop doing too much
He reinforced gap management, particularly for Gerald Hayes and Chike Okeafor. Also, the defense is just playing some pretty inspired football. I don’t know if it’s just a case of minding their p’s and q’s when tackling or Clancy was saving some more disguised formations for the post-season.
At times this regular season the defense didn’t trust themselves to be in the right spot. LBs would move to help and the RB would cut and run right where the LB should have been. DBs were taking bad angles and making piss-poor arm tackles. The trust is there and the tackling through the player is keeping the “yards after contact” to a minimum.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 1:04 PM EST
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I’m not trying to argue with your opinion here. I just want to throw this out there. Do you think your more of the 110 ypg rushing defense from the regular season or the 68 ypg rushing defense we’ve seen in the post season? I’m not suggesting that your LBs aren’t playing better or anything like that, I’m just throwing out the fact that 2 games is a small sample size and also in both games, the oposition was pretty much forced to all but abandon the run during the third quarter or earlier due to the score. Once again, I’m not trying to derail your view, I’m just curious if you think it has simply been that much of an improvement, or that maybe it’s a little more likely that you’re somewhere in the middle…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:34 PM EST
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My two cents
Our defense is full of play making high caliber players who on any given day can shut down any offense in the NFL. I’ve seen them play at both extremes of the spectrum and personally believe they are a very emotionally driven team. When they get into a “groove” and are playing with cohesion they are a smash mouth defense that can will destroy any offense. On the other side of the coin they are easily deflated based on the momentum of the game.
The improvement of our secondary during the playoffs is the most recognizable difference I have seen. Through out the season they have had considerable effective games against the best run games in the league only to have the secondary sliced and diced. The emergence of the rookie sensation DRC has challenged our corners and safeties to compete at another level (his level).
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:12 PM EST
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Bottom line
The momentum of the game will dictate how our defense plays on Sunday. I will add they there are feeling very motivated and empowered right now and the only way for the Eagles to win in my mind is to take that away.
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:14 PM EST
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I agree
I think your defense deserves more credit then it gets and has been put in bad situations by your defense and hung out to dry a few too many times. That said I think the Eagles have the tools to disrupt your D with Westbrooks versatility, they had no answer for it in game 1 we’ll see how they game plan this time.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:22 PM EST
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We will see
Earth, Wind, Fire combined yards, 87
Turner the burner total yards, 42
The dynamic duo of D. Williams & Stewart combined yards, 75
Stopping the run in the NFC Championship game, PRICELESS.
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:39 PM EST
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kind of goes with what I was saying.
When your DBs can crowd the line they can help stop pure runners with the LBs. With Westy he can catch the ball out of the backfield or run and I think that is what causes your team to struggle against him. You have done well against PURE running backs but I don’t think you’ll fair well against a versatile threat.
Earth, Wind, Fire – Jacobs didn’t play against you.
Ward – 41 rec 384 yards this season (4 for 30 against you)
Bradshaw – 5 rec 42 yards this season
Turner – Although a talented runner had 6 rec for 41 yards this season.
D. Williams – 22 rec 121 yards this season
Stewart – 8 rec 48 yards this season
Brian Westbook has 54 receptions and 402 yards this season. So it’s safe to say you don’t have to worry about any of the backs catching the ball as much as you do with Westy (except Ward who averages 7.5 a catch and I’ll take that.)
Not to take away from your D you have stopped the run well when needed but Westbrook is more than a runner.
With that said I’m a big fan of your secondart, DRC, Wilson, and Rolle are nice, and I didn’t want to let Rod Hood go but knew we had too. I think your Secondary rivals ours. but comes in second.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:59 PM EST
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I think we will key the run and force Westbrook to catch the ball. Our DBs and LBs are playing much better aginst the pass as of late.
by hevchv on
Jan 14, 2009 11:14 AM EST
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See your point foos05
But no one figured the Colts’ run defense would show up during their SB run a couple years ago. It’s the tale of two seasons: regular vs. post. Post season new schemes are designed so there’s no film to prepare with. Motivation is much higher as $$$ is on the line (playoff pay and better contracts).
Early in the season the Cards’ run defense was much better than 110-yards a game. Some of the linebackers were nicked and I think the defense was genuinely fatigued. Clearly they’ve found their second wind and players are stepping it up to fill the roles that LaBoy and Haggans did earlier.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 3:19 PM EST
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all fair points… i was just curious
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 3:38 PM EST
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As well as I
The Cards’ defense has given me more grey hairs than my kids this year!
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST
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how do you think the cardinals game plan will differ from when these teams met on thanksgiving?
by eagleyosh on
Jan 13, 2009 12:53 PM EST
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I think they were lining up in a 46 defense..
Dont expect to see that. Theyll get back to basics and focus on Westbrook.
by Andrew602 on
Jan 13, 2009 12:56 PM EST
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Three more days to put more plays into the gameplan will help too
Thanksgiving Day the scheme seemed to rely on the player’s raw talent to make up for inadequacies in planning. Once the game was 14-0 the boys weren’t applying the full talent to the effort. Gawds, it showed. As much as the Cards chapped my hide that game it should be a benefit the defense for this time around. Clearly, they know what doesn’t work!
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 1:08 PM EST
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Big play capabilities
Were limited by weather conditions. I think we will see a much more explosive offensive game plan.
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:11 PM EST
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Big play capabilities Were limited by weather conditions
I find this statement suspect. Fitzy had a long reception of 40 yards, Boldin 27, Hightower 26, Pope 25, and for us Jackson 24, Curtis 25, Baskett 20, Smith 25 those are pretty big plays in the air. More importantly I think it’s interesting that you think weather stopped you from having big plays and not our defense which ended your first 2 drives with INTs.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:37 PM EST
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yeah i’ve kinda gotta go with Whodie’s opinion here… it may have been a little chilly, but the wind wasn’t horrid and it wasn’t a blizzard. i don’t think the weather really had much effect on anything here… i think it was moreso the turnover differential and your lack of any running game…. once we were out in front and turned you into a pass only team, Jim Johnson had you where he wanted you…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:49 PM EST
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haha
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by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:22 PM EST
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It was a testicle shrinker for Warner though
He rarely does well in cold conditions. I wonder if his gloves become a detriment when they’re wet.
Bottom line is the Eagles made the Cardinals look like bed-wetting sissies in the Thanksgiving Day game. I predict a different result next game; hopefully that result doesn’t include “bed-wetting” or “sissies” in the adjectives.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 3:25 PM EST
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Tell me what Stephen Spach has brought to your team. I just saw the bad news about his ACL. I’m sure you probably know that he came up with us… I think he moved on to the Pats for awhile and then you guys picked him up. What has be brought tot he table? I only ask because LJ Smith is a waste of human genetic material…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 1:58 PM EST
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Big Game Brent seems to be turning into one of McNabb’s safety valves, a la Chad Lewis, thank goodness.
(Avant, too).
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on
Jan 13, 2009 2:19 PM EST
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Big Game Brent needs to stop trying to run with the ball before he catches it (ala Sunday’s game)… I almost threw a beer bottle threw a bar TV when he dropped two balls in the first half…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:27 PM EST
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here it comes ...
Brent Celek is a stud he may not be the blocker everyone wants but he will be a Jason Witten/Chris Cooley type threat in the receiving game … trust.
As for Spach has he really done anything special except some good blocking and only recently and only on occasions? I don’t think this is a tremendous blow to the team, Pope is a better red zone option anyway.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:29 PM EST
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Whodie, I know of your man-crush on Brent… I too like him and think he will be an excellent weapon… He just needs to be more consistent with his hands IMO.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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I thought whodie only mad crushed evil monkeys.
by Clyde Simmons on
Jan 13, 2009 2:39 PM EST
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haha
it’s almost embarrassing, I just don’t think anyone gives this kid an ounce of credit and he has a lot of skill. I applied for a job as his hype man but got turned down on the account that he doesn’t know what a hype man is.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:45 PM EST
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all the more reason he needs one!!!
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:49 PM EST
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A solid blocking TE
Is one of the things that had previously been missing from our run game. I’m curious to see how his absence will effect that.
by badmatty53 on
Jan 13, 2009 2:42 PM EST
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Spach made the o-line logical ::rimshot::
Yeah he bounced around a bit. Eagles, Vikings, Patriots, Cardinals. For whatever reason he just meshed well with Gandy/L. Brown on the edges. He also proved to have enough athleticism to make some plays on the receiving end. Thus, he could play every down and allowed Todd Haley to disguise run vs. pass plays. He will be missed; I look forward to seeing him develop more next season.
Leonard Pope and Ben Patrick are more pure catching TEs so we lose some of our play disguise ability Spach allowed. Tuman has been resigned for his blocking skills; again he adds nothing for disguising plays. Keeping the Panthers guessing last week certainly helped.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 3:31 PM EST
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i’ll be interested to see how many people get that reference… perhaps due to the upcoming movie, alot more than expected
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM EST
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Our offense calls for tight ends who are better blockers that can catch a little, not better receivers who can block a little.
I suppose Spach being around such great franchises as you guys and the Pats has rubbed off. He won the starting job initially because of injury, but wouldn’t relenquish it even after they were healed. He is a clone of the way Whiz played when he was in the league. And he has a very high football IQ to boot. He will definitely be missed. We may bring in an extra tackle again on run downs. Just because you can see the train coming doesn’t mean you can stop it.
by hevchv on
Jan 14, 2009 11:25 AM EST
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I'm surprised we don't here more about Karlos Dansby
thoughts?
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by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 3:26 PM EST
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* hear
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 3:26 PM EST
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First alternate for the Pro Bowl if memory serves me
Dockett, Dansby, and Wilson are the spine of our defense. As long as they play strong, the “limbs” of the D do well. Dansby was trying to do too much earlier in the year allowing some running plays to get into the secondary. Gerald Hayes too. They’re minding their primary responsibilities and the defense has been better for it.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 3:34 PM EST
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Ware, Briggs, Brooks for Pro Bowl but I think Dansby was certainly deserving.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 13, 2009 4:05 PM EST
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Here's a question...
…that I just was reminded of, but have wanted to ask for a long time…what’s with all the former Eagles on your team? I mentioned this when we played in the regular season: is there some Arizona-Philadelphia connection of which I’m unaware?
1. Rod Hood
2. Sean Morey
3. Stephen Spach
4. Pago Togafau
5. Matt Ware
Do you guys have one of our ex-coaches? Or scouts? Or is this just a coincidence?
by ajay on
Jan 13, 2009 4:00 PM EST
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'Tis a strange relationship there
I’d have to suspect there’s something going on there in the scouting department. I don’t know for sure. Perhaps Lurie and Rod Graves (our GM) have each other on speed-dial? ::shrugs::
Pago was actually in our camp out of college and you guys nabbed him off of waivers last year. He was slotted for our PS.
Morey had some good years for the Eagles after his NFLE days.
Totally forgot that Ware played in Philly. He’s not likely to last the offseason as a Cardinal though. He plays mostly ST anymore and we’ll have Ali Highsmith back who’ll take his spot most likely with the development of Michael Adams at CB.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 13, 2009 4:43 PM EST
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hey hawkwind!
Gotta tell ya… I want the Eagles to win in the worst way on sunday, but i gotta respect a die hard cardinals fan. They havent won anything in forever. I met a guy the other day from Phx and he was talking about how he sat through season after season in sun devil stadium.
it reminded me of Eagles fans in way.
Congrats on getting here!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES
by 700 Level on
Jan 13, 2009 9:15 PM EST
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The Eagles had a long string of lean years before Vermiel
So I appreciate the empathy.
Being a Cards fan has never been a glorious past time. It was especially hard after realignment when the thousands of 49ers fans I co-exist with became bitter rivals. The past couple of years have been particularly pleasant (thank you Ken Whisenhunt and staff) and win or lose Sunday, this has been the best season to have witnessed as a Cardinals fan.
I hope the Eagles come out of Sunday’s game as healthy as the entered it, but I’d rather see Andy Reid coaching in the Pro Bowl than the Super Bowl. ;-)
A big thank you to everyone that has participated in the Q&A threads on both teams’ blogs. I have a greater appreciation of the Eagles and their fans for it.
We all leave footprints in the sands of time, just watch out for the discarded fish hooks!
by Hawkwind on
Jan 14, 2009 1:37 PM EST
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thanks to you to… you have a great group of guys over there… i’ve had fun…. week’s not over yet!
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on
Jan 14, 2009 1:51 PM EST
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week’s not over yet!
don’t remind me.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on
Jan 14, 2009 2:20 PM EST
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