Eagles Preseason Game #2 Stock up/Stock down
The Eagles pick up their first win of the preseason with a 24-13 come from behind win that saw the Eagles score all 24 of their points in the 4th quarter. This was kind of a weird game to evaluate with the 58 minute lightning delay in the middle of the first quarter. Both first team offenses looked pretty out of sorts when they came back from the delay. The Eagles first team was held scoreless and Carolina's first offense managed just 3 points. I was encouraged by the play of our reserves, who I thought got outplayed last week in Pittsburgh. They made the difference tonight.
Stock Up
Sav Rocca - Although he was the guy who shoveled that pass straight into the Carolina player's arms on that comically bad fake FG try... I thought Sav had a nice night. With a wet ball on a soggy field he put two punts inside the 10 and pinned the Panthers back deep. Another punt he booted 58 yards. Rocca ended up putting 5 of his 7 punts inside the 20.
Brian Dawkins - Laid a masive hit on Muhsin Muhammad in the end zone to knock loose a pass that would have been an easy TD. Vintage Dawkins.
Desean Jackson - If not for his play, his stock goes up just for the sheer amount of work he put in tonight. Jackson played the whole game! He had a few drops in the first half but his game leading 7 catches for 71 yards made up for those early drops. Once again he got open with ease, made catches all over the field, and showed an uncanny ability to read zones and find space in the middle of the field. Desean even did a nice job blocking downfield for Tony Hunt on that great TD run at the end of the game. He also had one really nice 27 yard punt return where he flashed some impressive moves... but unfortunately fumbled at the end.
Tony Hunt - The kid from Penn State looked good out there tonight. His spectacular 51 yard run at the end proved to be the winning score. He showed, vision, some moves, and did a nice job breaking a tackle on that a run. It was a big play for Tony and he certainly made a strong case that he deserves a roster spot. Before the big run he had a few nice, tough runs as well. He ended up with 5 rushes for 79 yards and caught one pass for 9 yards.
Kevin Kolb - Really bounced back from an up and down effort last week. Kolb's passes looked very nice, he looked composed, and his best throw of the night might have been ne where he hung in and took a big hit so he could make a beautiful pass down the middle of the field that could have been a TD had it not hit Hank Baskett in the head as he had trouble finding the ball. Kolb's 30 yard TD pass that hit Greg Lewis in stride in the corner of the end zone was a thing of beauty. He also did an impressive job running the no huddle offense on the last drive that was capped by the big Tony Hunt run. Kolb was the victim of a few bad drops from recievers but ended up 14 of 27 on the night for 155 yards, a TD and an INT.
Michael Phelps - 2 more golds. The guy is a freak.
Stock down
Max Jean Gilles - Did a great job filling in for Andrews in the first game, but he had a real rough night tonight. Four penalties on the night for Max. That's just unnacceptable.
Lorenzo Booker the KR - He fields two kickoffs and drops both. Combine his struggles tonight with his muffed kick in the Pitt game and Booker may just have lost himself the KR job. I know it was a rainy night and I'm sure th ball was slick, but I guarantee we'll play plenty of games this year where it's slippery and the ball is wet. Lorenzo Booker the RB had a nice night with 6 rushes for 25 yards.
Donovan McNabb - First, I have to say that the recievers were pretty poor in the first half tonight. I counted at least 5 or 6 clear drops, with a couple coming from Kevin Curtis. Overall though, McNabb was way off target tonight, especially after the delay. He was throwing balls high, low everywhere. Like I said, it was a wierd first half and the hour delay makes it hard to really evaluate... but it was clearly not a great night for McNabb. He finished 11 of 24 for just 98 yards.
Anyone related to special teams - The players, the coach... all of them. Really poor night especially in the first half. There was the silly fake FG that led to a TD. A couple penalties, poor blocking, several fumbles/bobbles, a missed 40+ yard FG by moustacheless Akers... It was just an all around bad night for the special teams.
Rookie Watch
Actually a pretty damn good night for the rookies. Desean Jackson as we said had a fantastic game. Quintin Demps' blitz and pass tip are what set up the big INT retirn at the end of the game. Speaking of that INT, kudos to rookie UDFA Justin Roland for picking that off taking 71 yards to the house. Roland also recovered a fumble, so it really was a nice night for him. Speaking of that fumble, it was none other than Andy Studebaker who forced that fumble and had another solid game. Bryan Smith looked very quick off the snap and made one particularly good tackle on special teams were he flew down the field and made an ankle tackle that held the return to no yards.
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Honestly Jackson may be the “sexy” pick here. But Hunts run won it for us. Hunt gets this all the way.
by USMCSLB on Aug 15, 2008 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i am so excited about this defense.. i really think we have all the right pieces this year at all positions (DL, LB, DB).
the offense very obviously looks sloppy at this point but i think this D is gonna keep the score low enough until McNabb and Co. can work out the kinks.
by joshjoshjosh on Aug 15, 2008 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
does someone think we can keep 4 RB? i don´t wanna see tony hunt cut! imo he´s a good football player, and he showed that in the game!
by daveG10 on Aug 15, 2008 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of Course
They almost always keep 5 total fullbacks and running backs.
Pick a fullback from Davis and Collins and keep Westbrook, Booker, Buckhalter, and Hunt.
However, one of the running backs will generally be inactive until injuries start to happen to other positions.
by Andrew B on Aug 15, 2008 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very, very unlikely with the Defensive End situation
I saw a lot of Howard at DT. So that may help out a little with the DE situation.
I think that Cole, Parker, Abiamiri, McDougle, Smith, Clemmons, all make team. (6 DE)
Also, Patterson, Bunkley, Laws, Klecko, Howard (5) DT. (Customary we only keep 10 Defensive linemen, this year we may keep 11). There is no way we stack up in RB as well, Do the math bro,
we are only keep 3 RB and 1FB. Hunt, Moates are Done, no roster space, they are auditioning for another job. Who cares which FB makes the squad, as long as they play special teams.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My observations
I loved what I saw from Kolb, he moved well in the pocket, and scanned the field better. Our receivers suck and dropped like for or 5 balls. Also, WAY TOOO MANY DRIVE KILLING PENALTIES.
Max looked really bad yesterday. On the other hand, Herremans looked good at Tackle.
McDougle had another solid game, as well as Brian Smith (he as all over the place).
Andy Studebaker has ben monsterous, (the boy has been all over the field all preseason). I think he outplayed Rocky Boiman at this point.
Our secondary is frat out scary. And we stopped the run well yesterday. I notice Chris Gocong allowed he RB to get outside him, hes shouldn’t be blocked one on one by a TE. Hes gotta do better forcing the plays inside. Bradley is a very good Mike LB.
McNabb Struggled making that middle range post pass. He missed it like 4 times, hes gotta work on that. On the other hand, Kolb has hitting people wih velocity on the nipple. She shorted another pass this week, but that kind of stuff will happen. He throws a low ball, he may skip one or two occasionally. He showed good touch on a few of the fly patters. He layed those passes on the money. He couldn’t have played better.
Booker showed nothing as a returner, and little as a back. I hope maybe its just nerves and a result of a vanilla offense. But Hunt has been playing well. If he plays good next week, you may have to consider keeping him over Buck due to age and injuries.
And I gotta take my hat off to DeSean Jackson. He must have been the only guy getting open. Basket dropped a ton of stuff this week. He better work on those hands.
I do think that we still need a #1 reciever. Curtis is not that guy, he scares No one. I hope Andy is calling Arizona for Boldin. I hope it doesnt cost us Sheppard. I don’t want to break that CB situation.
Dallas Sucks
by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Gocong. I saw him get sealed off on that right side several times.
by JasonB on Aug 15, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I think Aliens kidnapped LJ. They must be gang probing him in the crab nebula.
He was MIA yesterday. He was a non factor.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was he injured?
Avant is listed in the play-by-play as the holder for the field goals and extra points in the 4th Quarter. Interesting.
by Andrew B on Aug 15, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah man i saw him in special teams, he gave mcgee a high five after making a FG
by Remis on Aug 15, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delay
I think this should be mentioned though… How often does McNabb take a break in the 1st quarter like that. Twice when i was in High school we had to delay a basketball game. Once for the power going out, and once because of this freak place we played that had a pool under the gym floor. It condensated and everyone slipped all over the place… anyway, both of the those nights were really difficult because everyone got lethargic during the delay.
I’m not letting 4 off the hook, because he did look bad. I’m just saying that the delay surely didnt help!
Concretefield can suck it
by 700 Level on Aug 15, 2008 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean 5 bro, 4 was sweet. But I agree on the delay as part of it.
5 was sharp before the delay. But the delay is no escuse for all the penalties. This teams keeps shooting itself in the foot with the mistakes. Andy needs to make an example of someone and cut someone early who is making stupid mistake, let he team know that mental mistakes are not acceptable.
Dallas Sucks
by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG...
I meant to type 5, not 4!
Concretefield can suck it
by 700 Level on Aug 15, 2008 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was going to say … when did you get Favre?
by Whodie126 on Aug 15, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb as jumpy as a 6th grade girl
McNabb’s fundamentals were awful, it no wonder his throws were all over the field. With no pressure on him he was throwing off-balance, off his back foot, Im not sure I saw him step into a throw once. Maybe they should show him some tapes of Brady.
by Doobie on Aug 15, 2008 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, not sure if you ever played QB,
Some people need to be constantly moving to complete a pass. Some people just cant be still. I understand that, when I was QB, I shuffle me feet and throw off balance the same as him. Don’t know why, some how all of the movement helps me to move my arm better. Its a strange thing, not everyone is comfortable standing still and delivering the ball sationary like most QB. This is not a revalation about McNabb, he has happy feet. Its a comfort thing, not really as much a fundamental thing. Not all QB throw the same, look at Kolb, he has a low, side arm(ish) delivery. Vince Young throw side arm. QBs need to be comfortable in their delivery. McNabb needs to move those feet to be comfortable.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy it when people have solid, analytical criticism of the players — but dude you are just making things up.
He started 4 for 4. All of the throws were crisp. On the first couple of drives the timing was solid on slants, comebacks on the outside, and swing passes. Then some mistakes started creeping in, the rain came, guys started dropping the ball, and McNabb started moving a little more. The Eagles ran the comeback routes on the outside throughout the first half (before and after the break), and the Panthers started to jump it.
McNabb wasn’t spectacular last night, but his play wasn’t bad. The team had several drops. If you want to worry about McNabb, worry about him getting injured. Not his form, which you clearly aren’t paying attention to anyway.
First-teamers that had good games last night that Jason didn’t mention:
Herremans
Mikell (he was everywhere)
Not so good
Jamal Jackson (struggled in the running game with Jean-Gilles)
LJ (preseason is over-analyzed, but it would be nice if he made a better impression)
by BFH on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Yup
Donny and Curtis need to give those CB a pump fake, or a double move of something. Thats how you kill a route jumper. They’ll cut that crap out once you get them to bite. Also, Route jumpers show you the type of defense being played, you know its man up. You can hurry up offense, audible fly to that and take advantage of the man coverage. As long as you have a second receiver on that side, that will keep the Safety busy and free up the cover 2 zone a bit. Any will take advantage of that in the season, heck I know I would. (Route jumpers are always an indication of man coverage), you rarely see a zone guy jump.
People forget that he had happy feet last week, and was on point.
I saw 2 plays yesterday where Mike Gibson almost took off Kolbs head on his pulls, they realy need to work on the timing of his pulls, you can’t peel out so fast that you tackle he QB or the RB. thinks like that can throw of the flow of your O.
Donny is fine. Good comeback BFH.
Dallas Sucks
by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ impressed me again … this kid knows football there is no doubt he is a natural player hopefully he can get better and fine tune his skills … but he is something special.
Penalties are killing us, flat out no excuses next game.
I didn’t get to see it live but I saw the replay … it was nice to see Asante on the field.
McDougle is playing his way onto this team and I like it, really good story for that young man.
Bryan Smith is fast …
MJG used his hands well just got them up to high a few times, I am okay with that for now.
Number 5 looked shook at times … probably nothing
Kolb can dance in the pocket he looked good
by Whodie126 on Aug 15, 2008 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I didn't like about DJ.
He needs to learn that he doesn’t always need to jump for the ball. He is gonna get killed, he puts himself in a very vulnerable position by jumping., also he is getting in the habit of using his chest a little too much for catches. He also is reducing his chances or getting YAC by jumping up all the time, even for balls that hit his numbers. He’s gotta get those hands up in the are, and catch that ball moving in stride, he can then use his speed to get yards.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was going to post the same thing
He always jumps when he’s making a catch. If he caught it with his hands instead of jumping and letting it hit his chest, he could probably have some huge plays. Probably wouldve went over 100 yards because i saw a few plays where he had room to run if he kept those feet on the ground. Overall though, not a bad performance.
by andyb on Aug 15, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kill me if you want to
But if 5 goes down this year, I think Kolb would shock a lot people at how ready he is
Concretefield can suck it
by 700 Level on Aug 15, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I won't kill you, I love Kolb.
He showed good arm strengh and good accuracy. Held the ball longer yesterday and went through his progressions. And 99 percent of his passes were on point, low (hard to pick off) and fast.
Also, did you see him step up like 5 or six times, he even booted a few times, and threw off the run like he was Favre. That pick wasn’t his fault though. He showed progress, that outside rush isn’t killing him this preseason.
I’m telling you, if he were a rookie this year, he would have been an top 10 pick, he is soo much better than Ryan. And we got him in the second round. Andy did the right thing, if he would have waited to this year to get a QB, we would have some bust like Brohm or Dixon. And people always complain about our draft. Getting a potential top ten pick in the second round, and not waiting to the future where the QB market is weak and having to settle is a sure sign of a good pick. I give Andy props for not listening to the fans and drafting Robert Meacham or Paul Puslusny.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone would be shocked that is an Eagles fan … I think we all expect him to be able to come in and perform at a high level … he has the tools just won’t get the shot unless something happens to Number 5
by Whodie126 on Aug 15, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If McNabb lights it up this year, And Eagles decide to keep Kolb
Does Kolb become the next Matt Schaub (Major Trade bate)? Its a win, win situation, either we keep 5 or go Kolb. Not a bad situation.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my feeling when we drafted him last year…
by cavortingEagle on Aug 15, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that were the case, I presume we’d be targeting a QB in the draft, but I don’t seem to recall any decent ones coming out this year… And the first person to say Tebow is gettin a turkey slappin…
by foos05 on Aug 15, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Jawarski went as far as saying that Tebow is NOT NFL talent.
He said that this guys is in the list like Troy Smith, Dennis Dixon, Ken Dorsey, Gino Toretto, you know, the good College but bad NFL QB.
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by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow reminds me of Ben Roethlessnfjknwuiowbfsafberger only with less of an arm … in the right system he could be good in the NFL.
what about Pat White … although he is probably a Troy Smith and at 6’0" might be to small for the NFL. I like Graham Harrell of Texas Tech and Cullen Harper of Clemson (I’m also a Clemson fan, thanks to B-Dawk)
by Whodie126 on Aug 15, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really up to date on Harrell, and I do have one problem with Harper… The general lack of quality competition he’s faced. Yes, I realize Clemson is part of the ACC, but in general, the whole conference has taken steps back in the previous few years. I went to FSU for a few years before I moved back home to do my Masters, and I got to see that Conference cerca 1999 – 2003 up close and in person. Powerhouses like Miami and FSU have taken a sharp decline. IMO VA Tech and BC were marginal teams playing in a shit conference last year.
I’m not saying he’s bad, just unproven. I’d like to see what the ACC throws at him this year. I think it’s safe to say that there are no true stud qbs coming out though…
I may prefer to hold Kolb for an additional year, and see what happens again.
by foos05 on Aug 15, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at that point you can draft a QB to replace Feely as the number 3 guy … Kolb will be plenty ready as a back up
by Whodie126 on Aug 15, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or trade him at that point if there’s a decent QB in the draft…
by foos05 on Aug 15, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only problem with Trading Kolb is that you need to draft High
to get a good player. And I don’t see anything that you can get in return that would be of interest. Remember, we still have to trade Lito. And honestly, I don’t want another first rounder now. We have 2, and will probrably need to deal one (now that we resigned Westbrook), there is less money on the table, especially if you expect to be a player in free agency.
I just think its hard keeping a player like Kolb on the bench. But I am not all that enthusiastic at trading Donny McNabb.
Just think of the situation, if you trade Donovan, he demands a first round pick, and possibly a 4th rounder. (Especially now that Shockey and Jayson Taylor both got 2nd rounder and 3rd rounders)…Donovan is still at the top of his game, and has 5-7 years left in him.
Then we will have 3 first rounders, that with out trading Lito for a 2nd rounder.
You will have 3 first rounders and 2 second rounder, and still have the core of your team in place. WOW, we are in terrific shape for the future.
Dallas Sucks
by yophillybro on Aug 15, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could always trade for a future first rounder doesn’t have to be this year so 2 this year and 2 the next …. let’s be real they aren’t going to Trade Number 5 if he is playing at the level we all know he can.
by Whodie126 on Aug 16, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Kolb demand a first rounder?
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by yophillybro on Aug 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Matt Schaub trade is a good model
Houston sent the 8th overall pick in ’07, and their second round picks from ’07 and ’08 to Atlanta for Matt Schaub and the 10th overall pick in ’07.
If Kolb performs and impresses in his next couple of preseason games – maybe something in the later third of the first round wouldn’t be too far out of the realm…
by cavortingEagle on Aug 18, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way
that we could afford to sign all of those draft picks… but I like the Idea of having them next year and trading some for future drafts or a veteran
by Johnny G on Aug 15, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McNabb
Let’s not get crazy about McNabb, guys. He was sharp before the break. Yes, afterwards he looked a little scattershot, but the conditions were awful. Consider that if the Eagles’ fool receivers hadn’t dropped about 6 passes, McNabb would have been 17-24 for around 120-130 yards and they probably would have had a little more luck scoring. Thank god for DeSean. Hope he pans out.
by gkaly717 on Aug 17, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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