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Eagles Notes 8.12.08 - Asante Samuel, Shawn Andrews, & Kolb's future

We start off with the Shawn Andrews situation where we got an "update" from Andy Reid. I use quotations because in reality Andy didn't say anything...

Andy Reid is in no hurry to get Shawn Andrews back on the practice field.

"I want to make sure everything is just real solid around him first," Reid said after yesterday's special teams practice. "I just want to take it day-by-day right now."

Asked when Andrews, the Eagles' two-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman, might begin practicing with his teammates, Reid said only, "We'll see."

Reid said he has had a chance to meet with Andrews face-to-face, and although Reid didn't divulge any details of their meeting, Andrews' return doesn't appear imminent.

I think the important date here will August 22nd against the Pats in Foxboro. Considering that the starters won't play much in the final preseason game, if Andrews is not back on the field by the Pats game I think it may be unlikely that he's ready to go for opening day against the Rams.

Kevin Roberts wrote and interesting column about the future of Kevin Kolb, especially if McNabb stays healthy and looks like he has so far this offseason...

History is not on Kevin Kolb's side.Donovan McNabb is having a fantastic camp, and he looked very sharp in the exhibition opener against Pittsburgh on Friday. Eagles owner Jeff Lurie predicted last week that the McNabb era wouldn't end anytime soon. That's good for the Eagles -- as long as McNabb is healthy and productive -- because he gives them their best chance to win.

But that makes it tougher for Kolb to be good. The longer the Eagles wait on him, the worse his chances get.

In the last 15 years, you know how many quarterbacks made the Pro Bowl who weren't starting by their third season? None. Zero.

Obviously we all know it could end at any minute with McNabb. It's a sad truth us birds fans have to expect... but the fact is that if McNabb does stay healthy the next couple of years, it's hard to see how Kolb could supplant him in the lineup. Eventually this guy is going to want to play, and frankly he should. If it's not here, he's going to want to play somehwere. But like Roberts goes on to say, the Eagles didn't trade up for Kolb to go play for someone else...

[Note by JasonB, 08/12/08 9:49 PM EDT ] It seems that Tony Romo was on the Cowboys roster for 3 years(03, 04, & 05) before he ever got his first chance to start 6 games into the 2006 season. As we know, he's made a pro bowl. So it appears Roberts got the stat wrong.

Brookover has a story about Dan Klecko and his chances of making the team, which he may do by default.

With the Eagles about to complete the Lehigh portion of training camp tomorrow and with three exhibition games remaining, Klecko's odds of making the team have significantly improved, thanks to the release of von Oelhoffen last week and a knee injury that has sidelined veteran Montae Reagor.

"It's a great opportunity for Klecko," Johnson said after yesterday's lightning-shortened practice. "He's done a good job. He's going to play a lot more Thursday night, but he's done a good job."

I must say, I was not impressed by Klecko last Friday. I thought he got pushed around and had trouble holding the point of attack. I do like the guy and I like all the stories about how much heart he has and what not... but he has to earn that spot on the field. Simply being the last guy standing at that 4th DT worries me.

Jim Johnson declared at camp yesterday that Asante Samuel is expected to play and start this Thursday against the Carolina Panthers, but next to whom?

Johnson made a point to say Samuel would play the left side with Brown occupying the right against the Carolina Panthers Thursday night at Lincoln Financial Field.

Samuel is practicing again, but still working himself back the hamstring injury that has kept him out of the entire minicamp. How much Asante plays this Thursday depends on how he responds the next two days in practice.

Jim Johnson also said to expect to see a lot of Jerome McDougle again this Thursday as continues his unlikely but inspiring run to win a roster spot.

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that is a really intersting statistical tidbit about how long QBs sit

as opossed to their future production.

Concretefield can suck it

by 700 Level on Aug 12, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Kolb

It seems like the real killer for quarterbacks is to start as a rookie for a bad team. I’m pretty sure that Alex Smith has (had?) the skills to be an NFL quarterback, but his career is teetering on the edge. I’d like to see a stat on career success comparing first round quarterbacks and, say, fourth round quarterbacks (and how it compares to other positions). And that stat may become dated in the next few years. Neither Tony Romo nor Aaron Rodgers started in their first three years (nor did JT O’Sullivan, for that matter).

by dave in san mateo on Aug 12, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Romo started midway through his 2nd year.

by JasonB on Aug 12, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BS

This “no Pro-Bowlers from QB’s starting after their 3rd year is BS.

Romo entered the league in 2003 as an Undrafted Free Agnet, became a starter midway through 2006, 3 1/2 seasons later. Made the Pro-Bowl in 2006 and 2007.

And he’s not the only one. Kurt Warner (UFA 1994, starter 1999, Pro-Bowl 1999-2001), Trent Green (8th round pick 1993, starter 1998, Pro-Bowl 2003, 2005), Jake Delhomme (UFA 1998, starter 2003, Pro-Bowl 2005), Matt Hasselbeck (6th round pick 1998, starter 2001, Pro-Bowl 2003, 2005, 2007), Brad Johnson (9th round pick 1992, starter 1996, Pro-Bowl 1999, 2002), Rich Gannon (4th round pick 1987, starter 1990, Pro-Bowl 1999-2002), Elvis Grbac (8th round pick 1993, starter 1999, Pro-Bowl 2000), Steve Beuerlein (4th round pick 1987, starter 1993, Pro-Bowl 1999) all did the same thing.

How many years did Steve Young spend on the bench behind Montana? Did that prevent him from being a Pro-Bowler?

You guys believe these bullshit assertions made by the media way to easily.

by Andrew B on Aug 13, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may have meant that if a QB hasn’t become a pro bowler for the team that drafted him if he has started in the first three years after being drafted. That said, it’s still a weak article and a poor point after all the successful QB’s you listed.

I do have a fear that Kolb will be a wasted pick, and not because he will be a bad player. But, because he might not be a good player in Philadelphia. Meaning, McNabb pulls a John Elway and manages to stay healthy and play well for another 6 or 7 seasons in Philadelphia. I’d be happy to see McNabb play well for another 7 seasons, but I’d be a little disappointed to either shelve Kolb for that long or trade him away.

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Aug 13, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't worry about QB with Andy Reid

If there is one thing Andy know is QB, just look at his resume (Favre, Hasselbeck, Brunell, McNabb). I heard that Andy was the one who suggest GB trade for Favre.

Hey if Andy likes Kolb, thats all we need to know.

Many people feel that if Kolb was to be drafted this year, he would have been considered higher than Matt Ryan. Good Job by Andy finding good value in the second round.

Dallas Sucks

by yophillybro on Aug 14, 2008 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Alex Smith has had a different offensive coordinator every year he’s been in the NFL. I’m not a huge fan of the guy but every year he has had to learn a new offensive system which can’t help in his learning curve. So for me he gets a pass for now.

by slandog on Aug 12, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also consider,

These QB starting in year 2 are on bust teams. Some have drafted WR high to accompany the QB.
Kolb will inherit a playoff team. How many QB get a playoff team? He will be fine.

Dallas Sucks

by yophillybro on Aug 13, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

romo

According to his wikipedia page, Tony Romo was signed by the Cowboys as an undrafted free agent in 2003. Though he appears to have gotten some playing time during the 2004 and 2005 seasons, he was not the starter until midway through 2006. Depending on what he did during the 2003 season (practice squad?), he either entered his third season as not the starter or played three full seasons without starting a single game. And he’s a two-time pro-bowler.

by dave in san mateo on Aug 12, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That could be. I got my info from his NFL.com page. They may not have years on the PS listed… I’ll investigate.

by JasonB on Aug 12, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the last 15 years, you know how many quarterbacks made the Pro Bowl who weren’t starting by their third season? None. Zero.

If Kolb isn’t starting in his 3rd season and D-Mac is I’m counting that as a victory for me and the Eagles orginization. McNabb has the tools and the experience to get us where we need to be. We will experience some growing pains when Kolb comes in. Plus I want Number 5 to retire in midnight green, he has earned everything.

by Whodie126 on Aug 13, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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