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It's interesting to see the local reaction to the two outstanding contract situations currently facing the Eagles. First, there's Lito Sheppard who pretty much everyone acknowledges has little to no leverage and despite Rosenhaus "in the haus" won't be all that much of a problem.

Brian Westbrook is another story. Kevin Roberts of the Courier Post illustrates it well.

Sheppard's situation probably won't be much more than an annoyance, because he's got perilously little leverage. Sheppard is a terrific player, but he's had trouble staying on the field, and the Eagles signed Asante Samuel to play left corner.

Westbrook, on the other hand, has to be dealt with. He's plainly unhappy about his contract (he works in a statement to that effect just about every fourth or fifth sentence). He's not above holding out of camp (he did it in 2005). And he's got so much leverage, he's practically Archimedes.

Westbrook is the Eagles' best player. He's coming off the best offensive season in team history.

For those not up on their history of great greek thinkers, Archimedes was a mathemetician and physicist. For my money, I'll take Westbrook's punt return against the Giants over Archimedes explanation of the principle of the lever anyday...

I do take some umbrage with Roberts article on the whole however, because his point is more or less "just fix this Eagles." While I share his sentiment, the situation is a little more nuanced than that. Westbrook wants the kind of money teams just don't pay running backs pushing 30. Les Bowen hammers it home,

Westbrook said in a Sunday Inquirer story that he should get $30 million guaranteed, because, Westbrook said, the only NFL back currently in Westbrook's production class, San Diego's LaDainian Tomlinson, got $25 million guaranteed when he signed his last deal in 2004, time has passed, the cap is larger, etc.

One very large problem with that logic: The Tomlinson deal was signed 4 years ago. The Chargers were giving $21 million guaranteed - not $25 million - to a 25-year-old running back, not a 29-year-old running back, which is what Westbrook will be when the regular season opens. There is no NFL position where age matters so much. Nobody, anywhere, is giving $30 million guaranteed to a 29-year-old running back.

Bowen reminds us of the Shaun Alexander situation in which he signed an 8 year deal with $15 million guaranteed at the age of 29 and was released 2 years later... It's interesting to hear Bowen make this point because he's advocated that the Eagles should be giving Westbrook a new deal. Most people following the Eagles would likely agree that he's earned a raise, and most reports suggest that the Eagles agree and are willing to to do a deal... but sources say they aren't even close

Forget Lito Sheppard. Anthony Gargano says the Philadelphia Eagles and star running back Brian Westbrook are at least $15 million apart in contract talks.

Gargano said the Eagles were offering $15 million in guaranteed money to Westbrook, while his agent was asking for $30 million.

There's been some suggestions that the reason Westbrook fired his agent, Fletcher Smith, was partly due to the fact that Smith thought the Eagles offer was reasonable and had urged Westbrook to take it or at least lower this demands. Les Bowen thinks Westbrook might have trouble finding an agent that disagrees.

An Eagles source yesterday said the team still has not heard from anyone representing Westbrook. A source close to the situation suggested Westbrook is having trouble making up his mind.

If Westbrook is waiting for an agent who will tell him he can get $30 million guaranteed, at his position, at age 29, this might take a while.

The simple fact is that this is not a case of the Eagles being cheap or not wanting to reward players for great play. If reports are to be believed the Eagles offer appears to be more than fair and Westbrook's demand of $30 million guaranteed seems to be outrageous even by today's crazy standards.

We all love Westbrook and every Eagles fan appreciates what he's done on the field and the way he's carried himself off it. I'm sure we'd all like to see him get a raise and be rewarded for his service to the club... but could there be a point where public opinion starts to go against him? Has that already begun?

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Are Westbrook's demands too much?
Yes. Love the guy, but $30 million guaranteed for a 29 y/o RB?
491 votes
No. He's the best player on this team and deserves every cent he's after.
126 votes

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They’re going to have to come to some sort of compromise, because both sides are being a little silly. They should’ve restructured the deal a year ago. Of course he doesn’t deserve a ton of guaranteed money, but the Eagles should take into account the fact that he’s already earned a big pay day. If his production turns sour, then it’s not that big of a deal. Of course, that’s not the way business works, so I doubt they’ll come at him with that. But I think Westbrook will get what he’s already earned, and hopefully when he re-signs, he earns all of that, too.

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by yomjoseki on Jul 21, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im getting tired of all the players who sign a contract one year and be more than happy with it and then if they “out-perfom” it they need to get more money because 15 million and 25 million make the difference between a rolls royce and two rolls royces. arent you supposed to set your goals high as an athelete, why would you agree to a deal that is a mere 10 million over 5 years when you expect yourself to be performing at a higher level by then? what if you “under perform”, like a certain Darren Howard, would that give the team a right to give you less money, what if theres dead money involved and they cant release you when you under perform? contracts suck

by Remis on Jul 21, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree. There is too much risk of dead money and it is tiresome about players complaining the moment someone else gets a bigger deal. The example of Shaun Alexander is an important lesson. We also need to look at maybe using a R1 or R2 selection in 2009 on a future RB as I am not confident about the other players we have on the roster – Moats, Brooker, Hunt and Buckhalter are not long term options. Rather then get caught out like Seattle, we should look to draft someone like LeSean McCoy next year.

by KernowEaglesFan on Jul 21, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t necessarily mind a player not wanting to honor his deal per se…

Let’s look at the reality of the NFL labor situation. A team can cut a player whenever they want and not have to pay him any money that wasn’t in his signing bonus. Teams do this every day. They don’t honor contracts, so I don’t really blame players for doing the same thing…

That said… let’s be honest here. If Westbrook is steadfast on this thought that he is worth $30 million guaranteed than he is flat out being unreasonable. No one is going to pay him that at 29 years old.

by JasonB on Jul 21, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think 36West expects $30 million, that’s just a negotiating position. He knows business, he’s an intelligent guy, he’s aiming high to get whatever he can out of the Eagles. The Eagles low ball players all the time, $15 million is a low ball figure, so why not ask for the sky and meet somewhere in the middle? West is an impressive negotiator if he can get money out of Joe Banner.

I’m not as worried about Shaun Alexander because he had a much heavier work load over his career and the year before he signed the big deal. It was much more likely that he would break down than Westbrook. The only thing they have in common is their age when they went after the big deal.

by Behan01 on Jul 21, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Westbrook has proven to be less durable than Alexander… that’s a concern. I’m also not sure that $15 mil up front is a lowball figure. The reports were that Westbrook’s agent thought it was a fair deal and that’s one of the reason Westbrook got rid of him. The agent is obviously out for the player, so if he thinks it’s fair… that’s saying something.

That said, that’s all just rumors and reports… so I don’t want to act like it’s facts.

by JasonB on Jul 21, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that teams should be able to get money back from players who under perform there contract. Of course I only believe this because players have the ability to hold out and be detrimental to the team. The Eagles do not negotiate when they are essentially being taken hostage. I don’t think even B-West will change that.

How is this any different than any of your jobs? If I don’t perform I can expect to get a pay cut or even fired. If I out perform I can and will expect a raise but it doesn’t always happen, that doesn’t mean I skip my monday morning meetings. The difference in the NFL is that unlike a regular job NFL players cannot simply quit and go to another team which I believe is good for the sport and needed but unfair to the players who are in a bad situation.

Finally, B-West needs to be paid but more importantly he needs to keep this behind closed doors or his image will be tarnished in Philly he has been touted as such a stand up guy this will ruin him.

by Whodie126 on Jul 21, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Westbrook is so sure he’ll still be worth the money when he’s 34… why demand that it be guaranteed?

by JasonB on Jul 21, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly ...

I mean he has to have some concern about injuries but I’m sure the Millions he’s already made could help him out.

by Whodie126 on Jul 21, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players ask for guaranteed money because that’s what the market will bear. I don’t get this whole “why don’t players give back money if they under perform” argument. Football players have it way worse then other pro athletes: their base salaries aren’t guaranteed, and they make way less a proportion of revenue than even NHL players. Add in the debilitating injuries many football players face after their careers, and they are down right screwed by the league compared to other sports. Why wouldn’t they maximize their value when they can?

by Behan01 on Jul 21, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with Westbrook wanting a raise. I don’t have a problem with him not playing out his deal. As I’ve said, teams don’t honor contracts, why should players?

That said, it doesn’t mean he’s not being unreasonable.

by JasonB on Jul 21, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

R U GUYS STUPID why in the hell dont you people wake the hell up . everytime the eagles get a GREAT player they let them go because they dnt like to pay . much as i hate T.O. its the truth PAY THE DAMN GUY or somebody else will and when BRIAN is in dallas or with the PATS eating our asses alive you all be crying for a damn running back . simple fact of ther matter they pay T.O. we prob would have a S.B. right now. THE MOST VERSITLE BACK IN THE NFL. do u get that and thats a fact. even LT cant do wat brian can give him his DUE.

by FLAeagle on Jul 21, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How much is enough? That’s the question. No one is saying Westbrook doesn’t deserve a raise. Even the Eagles agree he does. But are they just supposed to pay him whatever he wants? We all know how great he is, we all know how important he is to this team… It doesn’t he deserves more money than he would get in the open market.

That’s where I disagree with you. No one is going to pay him $30 million guaranteed at this point in his career.

It’s just like TO. He signs a 7 year $49 million deal and less then a year later he’s crying that he’s underpaid. What are we supposed to say?

by JasonB on Jul 21, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

23 to 28 mill

that is where the guaranteed money will land. hounestly i dont think westbrook is in the wrong for asking for 30 mil because when you haggel you always over shoot. i think he is worth 25 mil and he should be paid accordingly. whats the worst that can happen. i could see him playing 4 more years and he should always start. he is not a Shawn Alexander where he beats himself up and worst case scenario if he looses his starting job we then get one of the best punt returners we ever had being back there every time

by NickPampani on Jul 21, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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