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Much Ado about the Bird's Wide Receivers

[Note by JasonB, 05/16/08 3:03 PM EDT ] promoted from fanposts

The hue and cry for a number one wide out has been fodder for Philly sports writers and fans since the 2003 NFC championship loss. Last year was particularly aggravating as the Birds offense seemed to march at will between the 20's but floundered once it found itself in the red zone. The Eagles were 6h in total offensive yardage, but 17th in points scored. What if the Eagles were the #6 in scoring too?Well, the sixth ranked scoring team in the NFL was the Jacksonville Jaguars who scored 25.7 points per game. The Eagles scored 21. Is the Jag's offense that much better than the Birds? Er, I don't think so. After the season, the familiar alarm bell again sounded. The wide receivers aren't good enough, but this time there was an accompanying call: trade Lito for Larry, Chad or Roy. Was it really the receiver's fault? Let's focus on the passing game and investigate the Eagle's track record under Andy Reid.

 

The table below shows receiving statistics subdivided by position for each of Andy Reid's Eagles teams except for his first (let's call that one an outlier).

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Several interesting things are apparent. First off, 2007 was the best year in terms of number of receptions and total yards for the Eagles wide receivers in the Andy Reid era. Secondly, their TD production was above the yearly averages and compares favorably to the production in 2006 and 2004. This suggests that the receivers are not to blame for the Eagles struggles last year. In terms of production, the one position that was significantly off were the tight ends. We all know LJ was hurt and simply ineffective for much of the season, but with 3 more touchdowns from the tight end slot in the right games...

 

The Eagles run a West Coast Offense. It's an offense that spreads the ball around, getting everyone involved. Here perhaps there is no true #1 wide out, but in the West Coast Offense, does there truly have to be? The Eagles have potentially three decent #2s. If Curtis and Brown maintain (Curtis - 77 receptions and 1100 yards, Reggie - 61 catches and almost 800 yards) and Basket, Avant, and Jackson combine for 65 more, we're looking at similar production this year compared to last. Sure a true #1 would be nice, but the year we actually had one, the rest of the receivers became afterthoughts. In this offensive scheme it's important to keep the opposing defenses honest.

 

I would humbly suggest the Eagles have the weapons on offense to again explode next year. I'm excited by the addition of Kris Wilson and Lorenzo Booker. Brent Celek with a year under his belt will provide more options in the red zone. In fact, I think this group of tight ends has the potential to be the best the Eagles have ever had. Hank Basket is a Big Dude, I hope to see him beating up opposing DB's when we're down inside the 20. Why can't football start now?

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How does this years projected Receiving Corps compare to years past?
Similar to 2004 (TO, Pinkston, Mitchell,)
28 votes
Similar to 2006 (Brown, Stallworth, Glew, Baskett)
243 votes
Similar to 2002 (Freeman, Pinkston, Thrash)
45 votes
Worst of 'em all
17 votes
Best of th Bunch
120 votes

453 votes | Poll has closed

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The data used in the table above were compiled from a pdf published on PE.com.
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by cavortingEagle on May 15, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was going to say… nice table.

by the way if you guys really like a fanpost, try hitting the “REC” button underneath it on the right…

by JasonB on May 15, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats crap

that crap about our recievers being good enough is bull. look at who won the super bowl the last 2 years and youll see they both had number 1 recievers playin fer them . plex caught the game winning td fer the giants and the pats were consistantly rollin coverage to his side. look at indy 2 years ago and they had 2 recievers capable of steppin up and taking over a game and reggie wayne was the one who sparked the scoring from indy when he burned some loser ass db from chicago and scored. #1 recievers do count because they not only have the ability to completely dominate a game, but even when they have an off night they scare the crap outa opposin defenses and can greatly influence the game.

abner santiagizzle

by abnersandersyoda on May 18, 2008 9:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but it’s plain old stupid to say our WRs aren’t good enough. Aren’t good enough to what? Win the Superbowl? Yeah, our team is just INCAPABLE of winning a Superbowl with our current wide receiver corps. You play to your strengths. We’re going to need McNabb and Westbrook on top of their games and our defense to step up. I think this team has a good a chance as any to make it to the Superbowl, and we all know anything can happen on gameday, otherwise they’d have just handed the Lombardi Trophy to Tom Brady last year.

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by yomjoseki on May 18, 2008 10:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dawk

There’s lots of interesting things buried in these stats. One which I didn’t remember and am not sure I saw, was a Dawkins TD reception. I wasn’t even sure the TD pass went to Brian Dawkins or some other Dawkins who I just didn’t remember on the team. Anyway it is his only TD reception and came during one hell of a game. Can anybody find video of it?

by cavortingEagle on May 15, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The emphasis seems to be on speed and the ability to run after the catch, as per reid. So I think that we have a good receiving core that has the ability to do that. That was part of the reason I couldn’t believe we let Stallworth go when we did, he was always good for 10-15 extra yac at least. I would rather have 4 fast wr’s that have good hands, are quick, and run excellent routes then 2 “number one” wr’s. Bear in mind something that nobody* has said, the cardinals have, arguably, two excellent, number one recievers in their lineup….how many playoff games have they one in the past 5 years or so? How about the Lions, they have a number one receiver, what about them? Why is it that a number one receiver is going to lead US to the superbowl when it hasn’t worked for those two teams? It’s BS. The patriots got to the superbowl last year not ONLY on the play of their number-one wideout, if I remember correctly it was their TEs that really one the games for them and their ability to pass underneath and create big plays that started between the hash marks, especially in the last games of the season.

But, but, but that number-one WR was able to draw double coverage so that’s what made the difference…bull shit…what made the difference was the REST of the team playing well, and excellent playcalling. That’s what one games for them…period. TO did not bring us a superbowl ring, and he didn’t do it for the Cowboys either.

The reporters of philadelphia are blind and have this, “grass is greener on the other side,” notion about WRs, namely “number-one” WRs. We haven’t had one for several years, so they say, and THAT must be the reason for our troubles.

Bull shit.

by thwalls on May 16, 2008 10:46 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The year we had the #1, we made it to the SB without him. Got him back for the big game and it didn’t work out too well – did it?
I was all about the Fitzy deal because he seems to be a #1 without the ego – could’ve worked. Chad Johnson on the other hand I think would be a disaster given our offensive scheme.
Another interesting tidbit from these stats is that in ‘06 there were 12 recievers who caught passes and 11 of them scored TD’s (the lone exception being Mahe). Guess who led the Birds in TD receptions that season? Reggie Brown with 8TDs.

by cavortingEagle on May 16, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

welll....

“Bold4 fast wr’s that have good hands, are quick, and run excellent routes”

that sounds a lot like a #1…

by Alon on May 18, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve always thought Donovan McNabb was at his best when his stat line reads: ”...has hit 8 receivers today.” I think having a bunch of good receivers is the key to the WC offense and I think the team added a few in the offseason: Booker, Wilson and Jackson. I worry more about the O-Line, whether it gives McNabb enough time to throw, and I think the real key is having good run support. We have three good running backs in Westbrook, Buckhalter, Booker; Hunt could also show us something this year. Hopefully it’s enough to get us back to the Super Bowl.

by ajay on May 16, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, better, but good enough?

Hey, let’s step back and not drink the cool-aid so quickly. Although it’s nice to see that our current receiving corp has done better than average Andy Reid receivers, the fact remains none of the corps have won the big one. Furthermore, the NFC East has never been as competitive as it is now.

It’s really hard not to focus on the #1, not because of the numbers they’ll put up, but because of the fear that it brings to the other teams. As much as I love what Curtis has done for this team, teams don’t have to plan around him. This is what would really allow our other receivers put up big numbers. Outside his 14 TDs in 2004, this was the best thing TO brought us, the ability to stretch the defense on reputation alone. That’s a huge advantage when so much talent in the NFL is close to equal.

I’m hopeful that as DeSean gets work into the offense, his speed proceeds him.

by d-malice on May 17, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The NFC East

Has been this competitive before. Consider the remarkable stretch from 1986 to 1995. The Giants won the Super Bowl twice, the Skins twice and the Boy’s 3 times. That’s 7 out of 10 superbowls all with NFC East winners.

During that time, I remember commenting to my friends in college that the NFC East is the best division in football. I am once again willing to make that claim. Either the Cowboys, Eagles, or the Giants are real threats to win the division and with Jim Zorn who knows about the Redskins… Given the strength of their division, the division winner may have to play on Wild Card weekend because they finish up 10-6 thanks to their rivals.

As far as not being able to get over the hump without a true number 1, take a look at the boxes (Eagles v Vikes and Eagles v Falcons) from the ‘04 playoffs. We got to superbowl XL without TO. Once we got there, TO had himself 9 catches for 122 yards and no td’s. You can really make the case that DMac lost the Superbowl for us with that terrible pick in the redzone in the first half. Chad Lewis didn’t play in that game either – broken leg? – so McNabb’s safety blanket was gone. Don’s other 2 picks were actually intended for LJ, were those McNabb’s fault or was LJ not where he was supposed to be?

I don’t know if the Eagles wide recievers are “Good Enough”, but I do feel there is reason to be optimistic even without a true #1. Who knows maybe this’ll be the year Reggie Brown turns into Marvin Harrison (hopefully without the hand cannon)...

by cavortingEagle on May 18, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m going to have to agree with whoever said McNabb is at his best when he hits 6-8 targets a game.

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by yomjoseki on May 18, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like to say for the record that games can be won, not ONE. Sorry that was driving me crazy

by bula412 on May 19, 2008 12:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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