2008 NFL Draft day 2 open thread
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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The story of day one for the Eagles was movement. We saw three trade yesterday and Andy Reid hinted in his post draft press conference that he may be looking to move around some more. The Eagles have 9 picks remaining.
With only 2 rounds in the books there's still some real quality left. The biggest remaining needs left are on the offensive line and at safety. The good news is that there happens to be some good players left at safety. I'd love to see the Eagles get Dajuan Morgan from NC State or Reggie Smith from Oklahoma.
Finally, the Lito Sheppard situation is still hanging out there. Unless a deal gets done for players or future picks, it's hard to see what value a team might have to offer for Lito.
I'll be here all day with updates and commentary, So let's hang out and have some fun on what should be an interesting day two of the NFL Draft.
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I liked this charles Godfrey guy that carolina picked. I’d have liked him to convert to safety
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If New England takes Dan Connor I’m going to cry
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Safety
Which safety do we want?
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Morgan better but I think there’s a shot we get the BPA here and pick up smith later
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Earl bennett
off the board to chicago
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good friend of mine is a Bears fan and I’ve been asking him who Rex would be throwing to next season – on the Bears I mean…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade up for Connor – He’s the best guy on the board by a lot. A lot of people had him going late 1st round.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They had another Philly-bred linkebacker (Dan Morgan) for awhile too. Oh Well. I’d love to see Early Doucet come to us too. I don’t know if Andy would do two WRs though…
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith gone...
Some nervous moments here—Cinci, NE, and Houston all could use Morgan.
by BFH on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I’d like to see us jump up here. It wouldn’t cost more than a 6th round pick
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should trade down…... ugh
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anybody else getting pangs of nervousness everytime that bottom bar comes up with a pick right now?
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If NE takes the safety from us again, I call shenagians
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You;d have to think
They’d be looking CB here.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's several OTs that we could take as well
Carl Nicks maybe?
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow didn’t see that pick coming. Lets get Morgan here and then trade up for Doucet. Carl Nicks looks good, too. He was projected as a first day guy.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pick is in...
Bryan Smith DE McNeese State
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
B. Smith (DE) "Core Special Teams from Day 1"
so says NFL.com
by slackerjoe on Apr 27, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade up
and get our safety! We don’t need all these picks.
by slackerjoe on Apr 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why did dajuan morgan fall off the face of earth?
by ringordietryin on Apr 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time to bundle the ten thousand 6/7th round picks we got and move up
by ringordietryin on Apr 27, 2008 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brian SMith scouting report
Looks like he’s more of a LB
Strengths:
Good speed and quickness with a burst…Outstanding natural pass rusher…Active with a relentless motor…Nice range and does a terrific job in pursuit…Pretty good instincts and awareness…Reliable tackler…Major special teams potential..Is tough and a hard worker with solid intangibles..He was really extraordinarily productive.
Weaknesses:
‘Tweener who may have to make a position change…Is either extremely (DE) or a little (OLB) undersized depending on where he plays…Needs to get stronger..Can get physically manhandled…Repertoire of pass rush moves is limited…Is overaged and will be a 25-year-old rookie…He did not play against a lot of elite competition.
Notes:
Brother Ryan played football at Stephen F. Austin..Played defensive end in college but may have to move to outside linebacker at the next level…A two-time Division I-AA All-American….An intriguing developmental prospect and pass rush specialist.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Small LB/DE
6-3, 230?
BIO
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Doucet goes down. This is ridiculous. What do we need another DLine guy for? I can’t understand this move. If he goes to LB why wouldn’t you trade up and get Dan Connor?
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AND now Morgan is gone. I hope they know something about Considine that we don’t.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Connor is an ILB
Smith is a outside pass rusher. Maybe in the mold of a Gocong?
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Connor played outside and did well when he was a freshman.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What up guys
had to run some errands this morning got back and to my amazement the Eagles selected some no name LB/DE hybrid. I watched Antwaun Molden, Dajuan Morgan and Early Doucet all go in the same general area.
by Whodie126 on Apr 27, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bryan Smith
SI.com PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent
What? Can anybody explain that?
by piercas on Apr 27, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Classic Andy - can't risk somebody else having him
from NFL.com
Analysis
Positives: Intriguing athlete who has dominated his level of competition. ... Good burst off the snap and shows the balance to sink his shoulders and drive around the offensive tackle. ... High-effort player who pursues with passion. ... Reads the action quickly and flashes the change of direction to flatten out and beat backs to the edge. ... Flashes strong use of hands to disengage from blocks.
Negatives: Classic ‘tweener who lacks the size to remain at defensive end, but has no experience and only flashes the athleticism necessary to transition to outside linebacker. ... Lacks the strength to hold up to effective blocking – even at this level. ... Not viewed as an intriguing enough prospect to earn high-level all-star game consideration.
This is a system pick – he’ll be backing up Gocong and have immediate impact on Special Teams
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
We should coin a new Draft Day Nickname
Andy Rei-(ch)
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade for Boldin now? Any chance that Doucet pick helps us?
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Guys
I’m back – what do you think about Bryan Smith?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bryan Smith
4.65 in the 40 at the combine is outstanding for outside rush end.
Think Trent Cole and Derrick Burgess.
He originally was projected as a 7th roounder, but moved up draft boards…
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you can wait and grab him in the fourth with all our picks there.
by Whodie126 on Apr 27, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice – thanks. At what point do we start moving around here?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Safety?
When will the Birds start taking some DBs?
Safety could use some new blood.
The Ravens just grabbed Zikowski from ND who is also a punt returner…think John Lynch
He would have been an awesome pick for the birds…Let’s face it…Big Red and company aren’t very good at drafting quality talent.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s not true. Lito, Sheldon, Donovan, Westbrook – pretty much all the good players on this team are homegrown
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reid sucks at the draft
It is True.
1st round busts: Freddie Mitchell, Jerome McDougal,
2nd round busts: Todd Pinkston, Bobby Williams, Quinton Caver, Matt McCoy
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's been debunked a lot. If we were bad
How the hell would we be one of the elite teams in the NFC?
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year
The Birds were last in their division.
In the NFL, you’re only as good as your last game.
Debunk that.
All those pick were bad.
That is the point I’m making.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So everyone but the Giants suck
Bullshit.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Apr 27, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade?
The Detroit Lions also were heavily interested in Bryant Smith pre-draft, maybe he’s trade bait for RoY Williams
Or at least I hope so.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow I was just thinking I hope they talk more about Brett Favre. Good thing there’s not 200 new players being introduced into the league that we could talk about.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anybody else think that Trevor Laws looks like Mike Patterson with dreads and an Amish beard?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
He looks pretty chill; I hope he’s not into the same habits as Patterson :-)
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Patterson and Hemp
I like Patterson more because he smokes hemp buds.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade
Lito, 3rd round pick bryant smith, and a 4th rounder for Roy Williams
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really thought we’d grab another third rounder…
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
locker room
That’s the WRs and RB section…cool pick
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter at right tackle also used as a long-snapper in the past.
POSITIVES: Hard-working college tackle who.s at his best in confined quarters. Patient, makes great use of body positioning, and seals defenders from the action. Stays square, effectively fights with his hands, and anchors at the point. Quickly gets off the line into blocks.
NEGATIVES: Lacks footwork and blocking range. Struggles to adjust and rarely moves opponents off the line.
ANALYSIS: McGlynn is an intelligent blocker who gives good effort and plays with a nasty attitude. A marginal athlete, he is better off inside at guard for a power-running offense.
PROJECTION: Middle Sixth Round
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Started 31 consecutive games at right offensive tackle before shifting to right guard as a senior…Appeared in 47 contests during his time with the Panthers, posting 319 key blocks/knockdowns with 49 of those blocks resulting in touchdowns…Had 42 blocks downfield while participating in 2,782 snaps…Graded 90% or better for blocking consistency in four consecutive games in 2007 (vs. Navy, Cincinnati, Louisville and Syracuse), becoming the first Panthers offensive lineman to receive 90% grades in four or more games in the same season since Mark May captured the Outland Trophy in 1980 (vs. Temple, Maryland, West Virginia and Tennessee)...The only other Pittsburgh lineman to grade 90% or better in three games during the same season was Bill Fralic in 1983 (vs. Florida State, Louisville and Army).
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Birds take...
Mike McGlynn OT
PITT
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He has played both positions at Pitt.
by calunker on Apr 27, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we project him as a guard or OT, do you know?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
Seems like he could do either. He’ll probably compete for all the spots. He’s got a OT’s height.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guard
Not enough agility to be an OT in the NFL
He’ll push Andrews or Herremans out after Tre/John retire
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to NFL Draft Countdown: “Was a four-year starter at right tackle but he’ll likely move inside to guard at the next level…Has starting potential but should at the very least be a valuable backup due to his ability to play anywhere along the offensive line.”
by Thiago on Apr 27, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who do we want here? Maybe they have a late safety in mind?
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can’t believe they haven’t taken a safety yet. And the fact that they haven’t taken a CB yet tells me that Lito’s staying.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
keeping lito
Having 3 top CBs isn’t too bad
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The BGN draft challenge...
Is in shambles by the way…
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the Clock...
And the pick is….
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally
Solid Pick – Like you said 1 year Plus as Dawk’s understudy
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quintin
Spelling isn’t my strong point
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouting reports
Demps arrived at UTEP in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-’06), he appeared in 35 games (all starts) and amassed 203 tackles (one for a loss), 12 interceptions and 15 pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he played in all 12 games (11 starts) and had 72 tackles (4.5 for losses), two fumble recoveries, a blocked kick, nine pass breakups and five interceptions (including a pair of 100-yard returns for touchdowns). Demps missed one game in 2004 because of a hamstring injury. Demps is far more effective dropping into coverage than he is filling against the run. However, he is a very good natural athlete, which was confirmed during his outstanding combine workout. He also has a nose for the ball, displaying the ability to make momentum-shifting plays in coverage and on special teams. Demps projects as a versatile reserve DB in the …
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Career NotesHis 17 interceptions rank second in school history, topped only by Charlie West (19, 1965-67)...His 15 pass thefts are surpassed only by Louisville’s Anthony Floyd (18, 1999-2002) in Conference USA history (UTEP did not join the league until 2005, and Demps had two interceptions in 2004 while the school competed in the Western Athletic Conference)...Holds the school career record with 404 yards gained on interception returns, shattering the previous mark of 256 yards by Richie Wright (1986-88)...He also became only the seventh player in NCAA annals to gain more than 400 interception yards in a career, joining Terrell Buckley of Florida State (501 yards, 1989-91), John Provost of Holy Cross (470, 1972-74), Jamar Fletcher of Wisconsin (459, 1998-2000), Tom Curtis of Michigan (440, 1967-69), Tracy Saul of Texas Tech (425, 1989-92) and Lynn Chandnois of Michigan State (410, 1946-49). Tracy Porter of Indiana (413, 2004-07) became the eighth player to join that list…Demps’ 331 yards on interception returns (gained 73 in 2004) set the Conference USA all-time record, breaking the previous mark of 254 yards by Leo Barnes of Southern Mississippi (1997-2000)...His 220 yards on interception returns in 2007 set the school and conference season record, topping the old UTEP mark of 183 yards by Ron Bostwick in 1965 and the previous league record of 152 yards by Anthony Floyd of Louisville in 2000…Became the first player in school and Conference USA history to have more than one 100-yard interception return in both a season and career (100-yarder also tied the Miners’ and league records for longest return), as he returned pass thefts that distance vs. New Mexico State and Central Florida in 2007…Only Shawn Ferguson of Cincinnati (123 vs. Memphis in 1998) gained more yards on interception returns in a game in Conference USA history…His 24 pass deflections tied Robert Murray (1983-86) for second on the school career record list behind Jahmal Fenner (25, 2001-04).
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter awarded All-Conference honors the past two seasons. Defensive totals last season included 72/5/9 when he also averaged 13.3 yards on 15 punt returns. Junior-year numbers included 67/7/12 on defense when he also averaged 23.9 yards on nine kick returns.POSITIVES: Highly productive college player with a good head for his position. Quickly diagnoses the action, keeps plays in front of him, and possesses a nice sense of timing and anticipation. Has a burst to the action, takes good angles to the play, and shows good hands for the interception. Positively affects the game as a return specialist.
NEGATIVES: Slowed by blocks. Not a sure-handed tackler or a real physical defender. Average cover skills when placed over the receiver.
ANALYSIS: Demps has been a solid college player and offers potential in the NFL. He projects as a dime back in a zone system and his return skills give him added value.
PROJECTION: Late Fourth Round
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouts Notebook
Matt’s Notes on Quintin Demps
Demps is an extremely productive player who intercepted 17 passes during his career at UTEP, three of which he returned for touchdowns. One thing you look at with a player who causes turnovers is what he does with them and Demps picked up 404 yards on those interceptions, averaging 23.7 yards per return. He was also an effective kick and punt returner for UTEP. Demps seems to have a knack for finding the ball in the end zone. He returned two interceptions 100 yards in his senior season and picked off a pass in the end zone of the Senior Bowl which he returned well. Demps shows good man coverage ability and played some cornerback due to injuries. He has very good instincts in the passing game and is a very good centerfielder. Demps also has very good hands for a defensive back. He is solid tackler and will come up and play the run, however he is far from an impact hitter. There is something to be said for a player that makes something happen every time he gets the ball in his hands whether it’s an interception, punt return or kick return.I value Demps anywhere from the 2nd to 3rd round. There isn’t another player in the draft at safety as productive as he was at safety with his level of talent. He didn’t play against the best level of competition, but he certainly has the ability to play and start at the NFL level.
Tommy’s Notes on Quintin Demps
Played some CB due to injuries. Very productive player and a big time playmaker. Picked off 17 passes in his career, including 5 this year. 2 of those INTs came in the endzone and were run back 100 yards for TDs. Plays the passing lanes well. Anticipates throws and will jump routes. Plays the ball aggressively. Has good hands. Wrap-up tackler, but doesn’t drive through the target with force. Quick feet. Good COD. Can come up quickly in run support, but doesn’t do that consistently and isn’t a big hitter. Much more of a cover guy than a run defender. Didn’t play centerfield much. He’s got the skill set to be good at that, but I didn’t get to see him do it as often as I’d like. Good, but not great athlete. Doesn’t have the hips to play CB. Played in the Senior Bowl. Picked off a pass in the endzone.Has both PR and KOR experience. Returned 15 punts for 200 yards (13.3 per PR). Ran back 35 kickoffs for 773 yards and 1 TD (22.1 per KOR). Quintin isn’t a dynamic return guy, but simply makes things happen when he’s got the ball in his hands.
SUMMARY
Safety prospect who specialize in coverage and making plays. Lacks ideal hitting/tackling ability, but makes up for that with his ball skills. Could go as high as the late 2nd or slide down to the early 4th.
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cover safety
He also has video highlights on youtube
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marty Morninghweg is on Eagles Live
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KR/PR #2
Eagles draft returners at will!!!!!!!!
Jackson and Demps both are fine return men
Eagles Draft Live is awesome…Merril Reese and Dave Spidaro live all day
Marty Morninghweg’s shirt is giving me a headach
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Demps was very productive
Led all safties in picks last year
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't really bring the wood,
but seems to fit in with the Bird’s desire to create turnovers on D,,,
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait
Quintin + Quintin manning the S spots
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This draft is a success if
Jackson and Demps can give the Birds a top 10 punt and kick return unit this year. Two returners with sub 4.4 speed. And as a Pitt grad I can tell you that McGlynn is a really tough, hard-nosed kid. Not the most talent, but he can play all three line positions.
by phillynyc on Apr 27, 2008 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Demps Quotes from Conference Call
“The Eagles got themselves a steal in the draft.”
“I ain’t a Pro Bowl player, I’m a Super Bowl player.”
“I’m a hit everything in the mouth that comes my way.”
I like this kid!
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome. He picked off Kolb twice last season, 2 of his 4 in Kolb's senior year.
by phillynyc on Apr 27, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I loved how Demps was like, “I can’t wait to talk to [Kolb]” and all the reporters were like, “Yeah I bet he can’t wait to talk to you too.”
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th round picks
Mike McGlynn = Corn fed, blue collar, steakhead
Awesome
Demps seems cocky…hope he backs it up
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ive got to say
of all the guys we’ve drafted so far…demps is who excites me the most. jackson’s going to be great to, but youve got to give it to demps…
by anuj on Apr 27, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wonder who we'll get
according to nfl.com, we’ve covered all our draft needs.
by anuj on Apr 27, 2008 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On NFL network
Jamie Dukes is bashing the Kolb pick and Mayock loved it. Why are they talking about this?
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NE took a QB
comaring situation
The road to victory!
by jayt on Apr 27, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CB Jack Ikegwuonu Wisconsin
PUP list
Knee was mangled at he combine
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reid sucks at drafting
Re-issue my opinion…reach
reach
bust
He just drafted a gimp, with a ripped up knee
He’s in a wheel chair for Christ sakes
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh Oh
I am not hearing good things about him. They said he had a dislocated knee cap. What a strange pick…
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wierd
Overview
The long road to the National Football League continues to get longer for Ikegwuonu. More than a year after Jack and his twin brother, William, were arrested on residential burglary and criminal trespass charges, the two are still battling through the legal system to attain a resolution to their cases. The Badger cornerback had a subpar 2007 campaign on the football field that was the result of inconsistent play, legal distractions and injuries.
He later surprised the Wisconsin football staff by making the decision to leave school and apply for the NFL Draft. Once touted as the best cornerback in the college ranks, he saw his potential first-round projection continue to slide throughout his final year in Madison.
Now, further clouding his professional future is a serious right knee injury he suffered working out while preparing for the NFL Combine. Ikegwuonu tore the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments in his right knee during workouts in late January. Doctors indicate he will be forced to miss the entire 2008 season.
According to reports, Ikegwuonu also suffered damage to his kneecap. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported Ikegwuonu was pulling a sled in a drill designed to improve his speed when the injury occurred. He exploded out of a start and planted his leg when the knee gave way.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not another wide out?
wouldnt it be a good idea to get a couple wide outs to check out? maybe theres something in the works with Lito?
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
can’t wait to talk to McNabb. Been looking up to him since he was a kid.
blessing to be in Philly. Dissapointed to not go higher
Reid called him and told him he had faith in him
Fans are great, great facility… the normal
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Ikegwuonu
on the cover of ncaa 2007
off-field issues
and
a knee totally reconstructed
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously a developmental pick
Tons of talent but… weird. Don;t know about that one.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m reading he has “First round talent”
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles shopping in the discount isle again
I don’t get it
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn;t say that
All 4th rounders get paid the same..
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIOGRAPHY: Full-time starter and All-Conference selection the past two years. Numbers last season included 24/1/15 after 41/2/13 as a sophomore.
POSITIVES: Well-sized cornerback with terrific ball skills. Quickly flips his hips transitioning to run with opponents, easily stays with wideouts downfield, and nicely positions himself to make a play on the throw. Stays with receivers out of their breaks and displays an explosive burst to the ball. Comes up the field to defend the run and plays with an aggressive style. Displays good overall awareness on the field.
NEGATIVES: Struggled with injuries as a junior and showed lots of inconsistency. Does not always play within himself and plays too aggressively. Has character issues, which must be looked into. Hurt his knee in late January training for the combine. Suffered a torn ligament and dislocated knee cap. Underwent surgery in March to repair the injury. Not expected to return from the injury until late September at the earliest.
ANALYSIS: Prior to his injury, Ikegwuonu possessed the basic skill and ability to be a starter at the next level. He must now return to full strength and show his surgically repaired knee isn.t permanently damaged. Even if he does that, Ikegwuonu needs to fine-tune his game and learn to play with more discipline to ever reach his potential.
PROJECTION: Late Sixth Round
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, what happened to our 5th round pick?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
traded to Vikings
traded to Vikings
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lito
Lito has to stay…The CB they just drafted is still in a wheel chair
Big Red is a drafting mush
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pending trouble...
i hope Lito doesnt become a distraction. dont see how its possible that he doesnt draw a ton of attention though…..too much media hype on him leaving to have no waves this year.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TE
taking the TE from Kentucky the Colts just took may have been a better pick
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
stealing an X Box…are you kidding me?
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 27, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack Ikegwuonu
Burgler – Thief
Future CB….but not this year
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shirts
I thought Marty’s shirt was ugly – God, look at Andy’s PC right now!
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF - Andy and his staff (?Wacky shirt day?)
How can you draft the future of our birds with a shirt like that.
Marty’s shirt was glowing.
WTF???
Bad shirts = bad drafting
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Confidence
Shirts like that mean you’ve got the biggest balls in the room
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack Ikegwuonu
The question is: couldn’t you get him later?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say
He was a guy that could have gone literally at any point. Reid said that if he wasn’t hurt he’d have been a first round pick. It just seems like one team had to decide the talent was worth waiting for.
It’s somewhat similar to the Willis McGahee pick.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just ordered pizza online
It was awesome
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true
They even had this progress bar that told me who was doing what to my pizza.
Tim has started making your pizza.
Time placed your pizza in teh oven
Ryan just left with your pizza
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
website
what website or where did you order from
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats up guys just got in saw we got Demps … Love that pick he looks like he could be a great player with Dawks mentoring … the CB pick is questionable but with the CBs we have now that kid has plenty of time to get better.
by Whodie126 on Apr 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be the best pick so far
for the Eagles that is…
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely – worth burning a 2nd round pick on, especially as we’ll have to hide some of them on IR and his place is guaranteed, no need for any strained toenails!!
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Locker Room
Nice: on PE.com they were going through the locker room. Dawkins is the only player with 2 lockers. One for “Brian Dawkins” and one for “Weapon X”
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I toured the locker room yesterday
I’ll post pics later
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
caleb campbell
Caleb Campbell = Get drafted or get sent to Iraq
ugh
Hope the Birds draft him in the last round, he is a safety.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack Ikegwuonu
Conference Call on PE.com; for what it’s worth he sounds like an intelligent kid.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where are all the “U-S-A” chants coming from?
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
caleb campbell
caleb campbell was being interviewed on ESPN
West point cadet
He either gets drafted or goes to Iraq
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laws and Jackson
got their introductory cheesteaks. Omar Gaither took them out.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The CB plan
1) Keep Lito this year
2) Get Jack Ikegwuonu trained up in the system, healthy and legal situation resolved.
3) Next year time to choose – Lito as Starter, Sheldon at safety; Lito traded; lots of options. Meantime Jack is ready to be the back-up.
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Lito plays nice and doesn't complain about his contract.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the question – but I think he will. We might sweeten the deal a bit.
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this will humble him
The fact that no one made a decent offer, might make him rethink what his value really is.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By sweeting the deal you mean...?
They could rework his contract? Make it incentive-laden?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, perhaps a bonus based on how many games he’s active for.
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Go on 2 6 round picks for Chad Johnson
Not possible…...we have three 6th round picks, but 2 are compensatory picks. Cant trade them. Plus, washington dangled a much better deal and they didnt land CJ.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 27, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling we’l have never heard of this next guy…
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overall: Gibson enrolled and played at Solano CC in his first two years out of high school (2004-’05), where he earned All-America honors. He transferred to Cal in 2006, playing in all 13 games (nine starts) that season. As a senior in 2007, he started the first 12 games at left tackle for the Golden Bears, but he missed the finale because of an injury. Gibson will have to move from tackle to guard to make it at the NFL level and while there is a lot to like about his blend of size and quickness on the inside, he still has to answer questions about his power. As a result, he projects as a late round pick or rookie free agent.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overview
After two years of dominating on the offensive line for the Bears, Gibson spent his last game in a California uniform on the sidelines due to an injury. Concussions suffered in the team’s final two regular-season games vs. Washington and Stanford would prevent the left tackle from playing vs. Air Force in the Armed Forces Bowl.
Gibson’s versatility proved to be just what the doctor ordered when injuries depleted the Cal front line during his first season with the Bears in 2006. He took over right tackle duties after the third game before moving to left tackle as a senior. He will more likely move to another position in the National Football League, as his stellar performances in the East-West Shrine Game practices at right guard have many scouts impressed enough to label that as his future residence.
At Napa High School, Gibson earned All-League, All-Metro and second-team All-State honors as a senior. He helped the team win a pair of conference titles during his playing days and was named the league’s Lineman of the Year as a senior. He was also a participant in the East-West Shrine Game.
After graduation, Gibson enrolled at Solano Community College. He earned All-League honors twice at offensive tackle and was named first-team All-American in 2005. He was listed as the eighth-best offensive line prospect in the junior college ranks by Super Prep and the 55th-best player in the country regardless of position by that service. JC Gridwire listed him as the 14th-best two-year player in the country and the fifth-best prospect in California. He also ranked as the 14th-best junior college player in the country by Rivals.com.
Gibson arrived at California, Berkeley and was immediately named the backup to Scott Smith at right tackle. When Smith was injured, Gibson stepped in and started the last 10 contests. The offensive line clicked right away, as its new right tackle helped that unit give up only 13 sacks on 413 pass plays.
As a senior, Gibson earned All-Pac 10 Conference honorable mention. Shifting to left tackle, he produced 47 knockdowns and eight touchdown-resulting blocks. The team averaged 407.5 yards per game with five new starters in the offensive lineup. Gibson and his fellow blockers gave up only 11 sacks on 443 pass plays.
Career Notes
In two seasons at California, Gibson produced 78 knockdowns, 21 downfield blocks and 14 touchdown-resulting blocks.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIOGRAPHY: Junior-college transfer who started the past two seasons at both tackle spots. All-Conference selection after his junior campaign.
POSITIVES: Strong small-area blocker who uses all his assets to their maximum. Blocks with good lean, quickly gets his hands into defenders, and plays with a nasty attitude. Stays square, effectively uses angles, and rides defenders from the action. Plays smart football and understands body positioning.
NEGATIVES: Average playing strength and does not get much movement from run-blocks. Lacks footwork in space and lateral blocking range.
ANALYSIS: Gibson is a hard-working and tough blocker, but he.s a marginal athlete with limited upside. His ability to play both tackle spots could help him catch on as an inexpensive backup.
PROJECTION: Late Sixth Round
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN says:
Gibson has a quick first step and he sustains his blocks once he’s in position. Although he plays with a mean streak he doesn?t appear to have great lower-body strength, so he isn’t going to drive defenders off the ball. He’s also had problems staying healthy.
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFL Network
calls Jack Ikegwuonu a steal of the second day
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just saw that.
We’ll have to wait ‘til 2009 to find out I guess.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He’s essentially a 5th rounder…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
..... loading up on that strong 7th round maybe?
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we get a 5th rounder next year from Cleveland.
Good move. We have too many damn picks anyway.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eagles trade #191
Browns send the Eagles a 5th round pick next year for a 6th this year
Smart IMO. Really no need for all these 6th round picks.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially
When we can’t trade the other 2…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would have thought?
That the only draft day trades we make are moving down in the 1st and 2nd, getting Lorenzo Booker for a fourth and trading away another 6th rounder. So strange…
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How many spots for these draft picks?
Has anyone looked at the roster and seen how many of these guys they draft even have a shot to make the team?
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not many
It depends on how many guys on the roster get displaced…
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I’m sure a few of these guys will strain their big toe on the last day of pre-season ….
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i suppose they could also draft a couple more guys with torn acls
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think they’re phantom – just over played.
the torn acl was a work of genius – just cut to the chase Andy.
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, according to my count we already have 9 picks for NEXT year…
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay guy
Who are the best players still available? We’re picking in a few minutes so I’ll call Andy and let him know.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And this time
We have no choice but to pick.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well what position do we need here? Maybe offensive - WR?
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we're worrying about need at this point
This late you just grab whoever you think could play at any position.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
we may have to pick someone, but it doesn’t have to be anyone helpful. that kicker from georgia’s looking pretty good…
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kicker as a camp leg – no harm there.
by eaglealan on Apr 27, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
I wasn’t even thinking about special teams.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care who they draft, as long as he’s 6’4” and plays wide receiver.
Destroyer of Subject Lines :3™
by yomjoseki on Apr 27, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Monk
BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who also saw extensive playing time as a true freshman. Suffered a knee injury prior to the 2007 season and was limited to just seven games posting 16/144/3. Junior-year totals included 50/162/11 after 35/476/7 as a sophomore.POSITIVES: Large possession receiver with solid hands. Uses his frame to shield away defenders, nicely adjusts to the errant throw, and plucks the ball from the air with his soft hands. Works to become an open target, makes the reception in stride, and strong running after the catch with the ability to break tackles and pick up positive yardage. Stays with the action and out-jumps opponents for the high throw. Makes the tough catch with opponents draped on him.
NEGATIVES: Slow releasing into routes, does not have a second gear, and lacks the ability to be a consistent downfield threat. Inconsistent as a blocker and does not get the results he should.
ANALYSIS: After an outstanding junior year, Monk.s play was slowed last year after his knee injury. He will be downgraded on draft boards, yet he has potential at the next level if he improves the details of his game and becomes more consistent.
PROJECTION: Late Third Round
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Adrian?
Is Adrian Arrington really this bad? He and Mario always seemed to kill the Nittany Lions.
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli's got competition.
Guarantee: calls for Woodson within 2 years (if he makes it)
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overview
A powerfully built linebacker known for his outstanding performances in the training room and bone-jarring hits on the playing field.
Mays has the ability to generate explosion on contact and has had good success dislodging the ball from ballcarriers during his three years as a starter.
The 2007 Great West Football Conference Defensive Player of the Year has always been a tremendous hitter who turns heads with his “de-cleater” tackles. He has excellent quickness for his size and was the unquestioned defensive leader in the middle of the field. He has solid football instincts and is always around the action.
Mays was a standout linebacker at Hyde Park High School, where he was a two-time first- team All-Conference performer and a first team All-City selection for head coach Wesley Yates. He recorded 115 tackles his senior season, including 16 sacks and had a pair of interceptions. He also produced 110 tackles his junior campaign.
Mays enrolled at North Dakota State in 2003, spending the season with the scout team. He played in 11 games as a reserve inside linebacker and special-teamer in 2004. That season, he registered 45 tackles (28 solo) with three sacks and five stops for losses.
Mays earned first-team All-Great West Football Conference honors from the media and was chosen to Football Gazette’s All-Region second-team in 2005. He took over middle linebacker chores, pacing the Bison with 83 tackles (48 solo). He added four sacks, 10.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage and eight pressures. He also picked off three passes and caused two fumbles.
The North Dakota State middle linebacker was limited at midseason by a groin injury, but still tied for the team lead with 67 tackles (38 solo) in 2006. He was again named to the All-GWFC first-team, as he had two sacks, five stops for losses and a forced fumble. He also broke up three passes.
The Great West Football Conference Defensive Player of the Year received All-American honors as a senior in 2007. He sat out the Southern Utah game with a hip strain, but still led the team with a career-high 90 tackles (45 solo), including 2.5 sacks and nine stops for minus-32 yards. He deflected six passes and gained 49 yards on two kickoff returns.
Mays started 31 of 43 games at North Dakota State, recording 285 total tackles and a school-record 159 solo hits. He had 11 sacks for minus-90 yards, 29.5 stops for losses of 131 yards and 12 quarterback pressures. He caused four fumbles, batted down 11 passes and intercepted three others for 29 yards in returns. He also gained 53 yards on three kickoff returns (17.7-yard average).
Career Notes
Mays’ 159 solo tackles set the school career-record, topping the previous mark of 134 by safety Craig Dahl (2003-06)...Led the team in tackles in from 2005-07 (tied in 2006), joining Sean Fredricks (1995-97) as the only players in school history to lead the Bison in tackles three times in a career.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter awarded All-Conference and All-American honors as a senior after a career-high 90 tackles. Junior-year numbers included 67 tackles after 83 during his sophomore campaign.
POSITIVES: Explosive linebacker who pursues the action sideline-to-sideline. Diagnoses the play, quickly changes direction, and shows a burst of speed to the sidelines. Gets depth on drops, displays a good head for the ball, and covers a good amount of area on the field. Disciplined and stays with assignments.
NEGATIVES: Gets caught up in the trash or engulfed at the point. Does not sustain his speed.
ANALYSIS: Mays possesses poor size/speed numbers, yet he does the little things well and could make it for a team that keeps eight linebackers.
PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually DE/OLB
Overview
Studebaker is a small college sack-master who will move from defensive end to rush linebacker as an NFL rookie. Unfortunately, he suffered a sprained right foot halfway through his senior campaign. He still managed 6.5 tackles for loss and five sacks in only five contests. An Associated Press Little All-American as a junior, he made 55 stops including 24.5 for loss, 17.5 sacks and 19 hurries. That followed a first-team all-conference season as a sophomore with 19.5 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks. The injury forced him to miss the Combine and all-star games, but teams know he has real potential.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheaton star Andrew Studebaker could be drafted April 22, 2008For a while, it looked as if Andrew Studebaker of Wheaton College and Eureka High School had a chance to be a mid-round draft pick. He had 30 sacks in his career through the fifth game of the 2007 season, and he led the NCAA with 171/2 sacks in 2006. But then a Lisfranc (foot) injury ended his season, and it seemed he wouldn’t be drafted at all. But Studebaker had his walking boot taken off about five weeks ago, and he has been a very popular man since. He has visited the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens and Jaguars, and the Browns are coming to Chicago to see him in a private workout. Seven teams attended his pro day last week, and after training with former Bears fullback Bob Christian, the 6-3, 248-pound end/linebacker ran the 40-yard dash in 4.60 seconds and vertical jumped 361/2 inches.
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blitz all the time?
With all of these 230-250 pound linebackers and defensive ends, it looks like we’re assembling an NFL All-Blitz team. Are we planning to cover anyone, or just blitz all-out on every play?
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of these ends can drop into coverage, nobody will know where the blitz is coming from. Remember Umenmoria lining up at MLB in the first giants game? Good Stuff.
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIOGRAPHY: Three year starter awarded all-Conference and all-America honors throughout his college career. Posted 12/6.5/5 as a senior when a foot injury limited him to five games. Junior totals included 55/24.5/17.5 when he led the NCAA in sacks.
POSITIVES: Athletic and explosive pass rusher who makes a lot of plays up the field. Gets off the snap with a quick first step, plays with terrific pad level and immediately changes direction or alters his angle of attack. Effectively fights with his hands, moves well laterally and rarely off his feet. Hustles to get involved in the action and plays with a nasty attitude. Shows a closing burst of speed, makes plays down the line and quickly locates the ball. Fast off the edge and in any direction of the field.
NEGATIVES: More of a first move defender who must beat blockers off the snap. Struggles against big offensive linemen and slow shedding blocks at the point. Rarely asked to make plays in reverse.
ANALYSIS: Studebaker has been ultra-productive on a small-school level and was a pass rushing nightmare. His development was halted last season by the injury yet he offers a good amount of upside and should be given looks late in the draft as a rush linebacker for a 34 alignment.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says the Eagles will be formidable up the middle with Laws
Jackson will help them potentially in two ways. WR and return…
Eagles would create a hole if they trade Lito. He thinks Lito will be an Eagle.
by JasonB on Apr 27, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still want a WR
Please, just draft a tall, physical WR that just catches fades for once
I’m not a big fan of the Eagles draft strategy…especially their drafting shirts
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We get it
The draft has been a damn fine one talent wise for the Eagles. We’ve got a good mix of safety and high-risk/high-reward type players, which is exactly what we need given our lack of real holes. We’re swinging for the fences with around 1/2 of our picks, which I consider a good thing, and we’re drawing the walk on the rest. Why complain so much? Is Andy Reid (the best Eagles coach in team history, and one of the top 5 in the NFL since he took over) really so bad?
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, you don't get it
1. No superbowl
2. Last place in the NFC East
3. Lacking a sence of urgence in the draft
This is why I complain.
I’ve been a season ticket holder since birth and I’m tired of Big Red’s drafts….they suck
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your arguments are tired
1. We played in the Age of the Patriots. You can’t look at an NFL team and say, “Because it’s won no Superbowls, it is completely devoid of success.” By that logic, basically the Patriots have been the only successful team in the NFL in the decade. The Eagles are damn good, and I wish as much as anyone that we would just win a f*cking Superbowl, but as the TO year showed going out and getting a guy like Chad Johnson doesn’t mean we’ll just win it. If you haven’t noticed, we’ve got one of the most talented rosters in the NFL.
2. Last place in the NFC East, but hardest schedule, and everyone and their mother knows the Eagles were better than 8-8. Bad luck. Happens to every team. Happened to the Patriots. If 2 plays that season go differently, we’re in the playoffs, and just about everyone knows we could beat the Giants.
3. What lack of urgency? We drafted 5 high-risk, high-reward players. Isn’t that exactly what we should get? Very few people in this year’s draft would have gone on our team to become a starter in the next 1-2 years. In fact, I challenge you to name 10 players that could have done so. So, we drafted players that if they came out next year (Ikegwuono, for example) would probably be a top 3 round pick, getting a ton of talent while planning for the future. It’s a good problem to have. Groom the guys we get for a year, let them turn our biggest weakness (Special Teams, depth at DL, WR, and DB) into strengths. I see no problem in following through a draft strategy of that.
Or maybe you’d prefer a real sense of urgency where we mortgage the entire draft to trade up for… who? Let’s get Matt Ryan! Let him take over, cause clearly Donny Mac is a terrible player and Andy Reid needs to be fired for being 1 out of 20-some coaches to not win a Superbowl and only win the toughest division in the league on a nearly-yearly basis.
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Excuses are like…you know the rest
I want to win now.
Not drafting in the first round 4 two years in a row sucks.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You go by rounds too much
We drafted overall in the top 50 I think 3-4 times over the past 2 years. That’s good. More than most other teams. And, additionally, we have 2 first round picks (1 from a team that picked top 10 this year) next year. So, over 3 years, we’ll have had like 4-6 picks in the top 50. That’s a TON. The rounds are just a label, it’s the overall pick slot that matters most.
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does the round have to do with it? There’s no magic whereby there are 32 first round grade players each year – some years more some years less.
by eaglealan on Apr 28, 2008 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Out!
Alright guys, it’s been fun. Go Eagles!
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lito
So if Lito’s not traded, obviously when he’s healthy it makes the secondary better, but will he keep his mouth shut and be quiet? Brian Dawkins (i.e. Weapon X locker room) runs the defensive backfield, but can he “sheppard” a flock of malcontents?
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lito will hold out if he's pissed
We’ll find out next week at mini-camp
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets compare Reid's draft to the rest of the NFC
Dallas – Felix Jones RB, Mike Jenkins CB ~ future starters
Washington – Devin Thomas WR ~ best WR in the draft
NY Giants – Kenny Phillips S – best Safety in draft
Philadelphia – ? a back up DT and a Kick returner
Andy Reid is crap!
Fire him and promote Jim Johnson….and do it yesterday!
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles have the most Pro Bowl selections of any team in the NFL since Andy Reid came to the birds. Your criticism of Reid for his drafting is ludicrous. If you want to talk about play calling and clock management you might have some juice but his drafts have been solid. Look at other teams.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Complacency in draft strategy
All 3 division rivals drafted playmakers with their top picks…and the Eagles drafted back ups
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like when we drafted that back up running back in the third round a few years ago. Jackson could easily be a playmaker.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's debatable
I like felix jones, but running backs are a dime a dozen. Jenkins was like the 4th or 5th best CB. Devin thomas may have been the best WR, but he wasn’t even worth a first round draft pick. Kenny Philips clearly wasn’t anything special if he lasted to the end of the 1st round. DeSean Jackson has as much a chance as any of those guys as making a big impact.
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at any clip of DeSean Jackson
and tell me he’s not a playmaker. The guy runs a 4.3 40, for chrissake. What the hell more playmaker do you want? A guy that people have never seen but think he’s good ‘cause of his size and solid speed (Thomas)? Doesn’t get more risky than him.
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark my words
This is the begining of the end for Big Red…not drafting in the 1st round for two years in a row is horrible!!!!!!!!!!!
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your words are marked
and I look forward to watching you eat them.
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angelo, go to bed you have work early tomorrow.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people get so hung up on the label 1st round – do you think there are 32 1st round quality players every year???
by eaglealan on Apr 28, 2008 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
caleb campbell isn't going to Iraq~
awesome
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great story
He ought to be on the cover of SI
by bsencore on Apr 27, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Hocker
I want the Eagles to sign Bruce Hocker out of Duquesne. Undrafted free agent that could be a good special teams guy.
by PhillyfanintheBurgh on Apr 27, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our special teams suddenly looks potent...
We drafted a lot of big hitters, not to mention some of our signings like Klecko and Clemons (I think he’ll play some ST, no?). Mays, the two DEs… Solid guys.
And not to mention our trade for Booker and drafting Jackson. Kind of feels like we turned a weakness into a strength…
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NFC East teams added weapons and we added back ups.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out.
Some picks of the Reid era were nice, but not so many…
The NFC East out drafted us today. Plan and simple.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree (all links to SI.com)
Redskins took a number of offensive players.
I don’t think the Boy’s draft is any better than ours.
And the way I read it, the Gints only addressed 1 need.
The problem with hoping for impact players on this team is there just isn’t room to break into the lineup, I think that’s why there’s so many DE/LB tweeners in this draft. We’ll try them out in the camps and preseason and hopefully they’ll motivate the LBs and RDEs on the roster to get after it to make the roster.
I think this is a good draft in that we addressed needs and got competitive depth. You know the adage that you can’t judge a draft until 3 years down the road…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 27, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
King Dunlap OT Auburn
King Dunlap…OT Auburn….another back in a draft filled with’em
Good Job Andy and company!
see everyone at the Linc in ‘08
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
6’8, 310, 5.28 40… Good size, solid speed. Rated one of the 5 best remaining players, projected in 6th.
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A closer look at Big Red's 10th draft
Trevor Laws DT 6’ 297 – adds depth to DL
DeSean Jackson 5’11 175 – Fast WR/PR/KR
Bryan Smith DE 6’2 225 – big reach
Mike McGlynn OL 6’5 320 – Starting center next year?
Quintin Demps FS 6’ 205 – Over-rated
Jack Ikegwuonu CB 6’1 202 – Crippled knee ~ worthless
Mike Gibson OL 6’4 308 – worthless
Joe Mays ILB 5’11 245 – worthless
Andy Studebacker 6’3 251 DE – worthless
King Dunlap 6’8 312 OT – worthless
I would have taken Felix Jones(Dallas), Kenny Phillips(NYG), or Devin Thomas(WAS) over any of these dudes to give McNabb some weapons…
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
we have a RB in brian westbrook, so why take another one first round and pay him a hell of a lot when we have arguably the best in the league. jack ikegwuonu may have a bad knee, but he was a solid player before getting hurt, and has a lot of upside, and someone said espn said it was the steal of the day. desean jackson is a weapon if i’ve ever seen one. i’d love to start past the 20 yard line more than once a game…and notice how you call everyone in the late round worthless. well…what do yoyu expect? these guys dont’ usually turn out to be jems. and please don’t say look at tom brady, or marques colston, cause for every one of htose guys, there are about 100 guys that are out of the league. and as to you saying you’re sick of andy reid, i guess that means you’re sick of almost yearly success? where were we before? ray rhodes? i loved winning 3 games a year, personally. time of my life. i hope he’s available! you complain too much, and i guarantee andy reid knows more about what he’s doing than you do. i mean, i don’t see you coaching any teams to the super bowl? or winning your division 60 or 70% of the time you coach? wait…you don’t coach…you just complain
by eagleyosh on Apr 27, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you an eagles fan
ive just went through this entire thread and all youve dont was bash the eagles and Andy reid
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are close right now
i think we are alot better then the Giants(super bowl champs) and we did extreamly well and had a real chance to beat the pats when we had a beat up team. our bigest problem is injuries not startes there for adding solid depth HELPS us get a superbowl.
and finaly i will say hands down we are the best tteam in the nfc east if not the nfc
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Thanks
i want to thank you very much for keeping me updated while i couldnt keep up with the draft.
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Season ticket holder (Section 131) / (VET Section 722)
I watched John Gruden out coach Big Red
I watched Carolina shit on our WRs in a Championship game
Suffered through not making the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years
I’m not from Dallas and was concieved in the 700 level of the Vet
Stop drinking the cool aid…When does the sence of urgence set in for this organization?
They drafted low priced back ups, again.
I’m tired of it. No other motives for my rants.
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mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Who was the last Eagle drafted by Big Red that made an impact in their rookie year?
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correcction
Gaither came in and made an impact in the last couple games of his rookie year
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is none
and I rest my case
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how could you say none
there hasnt really been a wow he is an immediate starter but we have had rookies make a difference
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LJ's first play
was a fake FG…he dropped a wide open TD pass
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
Drafting good rookies can improve teams…Big Reid hasn’t done this. We always have to wait 3 years.
It sucks.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
try 2 years
of the least 2 seasons we have had 8 players come in and start their first game of their second year
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said complacency
Let’s wait and see….sucks!
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even in most cases
usualy a player will come into his own at the end of their rookie season…..
hmm wait isnt the superbowl at the end of the season
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the 2002 draft
we had 4 players who started their second year
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't drafted by big red
try again
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Patterson at the end of the season was considered one of the best rookies
by anuj on Apr 27, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back
Listen, Fishtown, I completely understand your frustration. I think we’ve all been there. It’s just hard to say after a draft that it’s a bust already. And it’s hard to say guys like Felix Jones or Mike Jenkins are studs already. If at the end of the season none of these guys pan out then you’ll have been right. But I think it’s just premature now.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Premature, yes
Just going off of the Eagles past draft philosophy
It’s continued to be the same since Big Red took control of the ship.
I like Andy, good coach, manages the team well…he just doesn’t have that killer instinct or sence of urgency needed to win the Superbowl.
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reid's draft
Rookies that make an impact in their first year = zero
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, there's your prediction.
I hope you’re wrong. And I hope you could admit it if you are.
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doug petterson
he started that year
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all rookies dont make the pro bowl fishtown
by anuj on Apr 27, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think fishtown
has been playing madden too much with the salery cap off he has no real concept of how a orginization works
he wants all probowl players on one team
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick, please
I have more insight than you think.
I’m a passionate Eagles fan that is tired of shitty drafts by coaches in ugly shirts
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen Man
We are all eagles fans here and have all felt that way in some way or an other but we should all have pride in oure team
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and have some pride in possibly the best coach in our teams history. HE IS THE ONLY COACH THAT REALY BUILT A FRANCHISE
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do
But when I spend thousands of dollars in PCLs and season tickets, how’ about drafting some kids that can get us to the Superbowl next year
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hounestly
belive we have this year.
have a good one man keep your opinions posted its good to have all different views.
by NickPampani on Apr 27, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did that.
Last year, and the year before, and the year before… And this year.
by Alon on Apr 27, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft is over
Good night all.
Let’s go Birds!
mmmcc
by fishtown on Apr 27, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
That’s one thing we can all agree on: Let’s Go Birds!
by ajay on Apr 27, 2008 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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