McNabb got his Swagger back
by damonmoore43 on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 AM EST
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McNabb showed you why he can still get it done.
I haven't seen him taunt a crowd since he did it against Dallas at the end of last season.
Does anyone remember that game?
After #5 slipped a few Dallas lineman who thought they had a sack...he scrambled for the first down and then was jawing off to the Dallas crowd.
The Eagles were out of the playoffs at 5-8. They went to Texas stadium and beat the 12-2, division leading Cowboys 10-6. And it wasn't like the 'Boys weren't playing, they were fighting for home filed with Green Bay.
McNabb rushed for 50+ yards that day and threw for more than 200.
I think he has his swagger back.
Eagles to the PLAYOFFFFFFS BABY!!!!!!!!
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HELL YEA
MAN do we want to see him out of philly ????benching mcnabb brought thay back out of him but , if the eagles think kolbb can bring this kinda magic they are crazy…..people wake up mcnabb is a beast lets go eagles
whenever he has shitty games from now just bench him and then start him again next week just so he knows his job isn’t a given
what a dumb comment
mcnabb’s “revival” has nothing to do with being benched…
he’s had slumps before…2003 ring a bell – this guy couldnt complete a pass in the first 2 games…but we finished 12-4…winning 9 of 10….down the stretch…
reid benching mcnabb has NOTHING to do with the team’s nor McNabb’s revival.
McNabb has EVERYTHING to do with it. And, oh yeah, so does Eagle MVP Brian Westbrook.
get a clue phila.eagles
you are an idiot if you honestly think the benching didn't effect him.
It is a classic coaching technique to get players out of ruts.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
that...
was the dumbest shit i have ever heard. Yeah, donny (whom i have forever backed up. When people were saying that he would be traded, i went and bought a brand new authentic #5 jersey) opened his eyes when he was benched, but that ravens game was completely winnable. When we bench him, we are just guarenteeing a loss.
Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?
The Eagles won the game because of Brian Westbrook.
When Westbrook has great games the Eagles usually win.
benching mcnabb was the dumbest coaching move of the season
in a 10-7 winnable game, don’t try to give andy the high praise now….because the Eagles are winning….
the EAGLES go on December runs – it’s fact – it’s not because McNabb was benched….
what about the 3-1 mark to finish last season? the 5-0 before that? the 10-1 mark in ’03, the 5-1 mark in ’02?
get a clue whodie – players get healthy, the D makes plays, and the andy get’s a clue in the playcalling
Just so I get this straight… Your stance hinges on the fact that “the Eagles win because it’s December”? Serious?
Let’s look at it this way. Say the Eagles win out, Atlanta looses one game and then we claim the final wild card spot. To me, maybe benching McNabb and possibly sacraficing that game is well worth the outcome of the season.
No one can say what would have happened had McNabb played the second half of the Ravens game. Not you… not Whodie. Do you know that he would have done better than Kolb? I don’t and neither does anyone else. The way he looked for the previous 6 quarters, I wouldn’t have ruled out him doing worse than Kolb did. Maybe McNabb comes out in the second half, lays a huge egg and we loose by twice as much. That outcome is just as likely as him coming out and suddenly turning everything around. Conversely, if Kolb wins the game, I still think McNabb starts against he Cards and probably has the same outcome. Then you’re saying that benching him was the best move ever… Be honest with yourself… As far as THAT game is concerned, we can’t change anything…
As for the intended message that benching McNabb sent not only him, but the whole team, Whodie is correct and it is a classic coaching decision meant to refocus not only that player, but everyone else on the team.
I still don’t understand why people will defend certain players no matter what the circumstance. I’m not saying that I’m not happy when players have great individual performances; I am. But I’m an Eagles fan. I don’t care who you are, if your performace is hurting our ability to win, a message needs to be sent. No one individual is bigger than the team…
World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...
Actually let me clarify something before anyone takes it the wrong way. When I said that I don’t understand why people will defend certain players no matter what the circumstance, I worded that poorly. That sentence makes it look like I’m singling out McNabb, and I’m not. What I should have said was, “I still don’t understand why people will defend any individual player no matter what the circumstance.”
I’m not singling out McNabb. I just don’t like when people take ANY player and hold them above the team.
World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...
incompetence
foos05 – mcnabb’s 15-4 as a full-game starter in December since 2000 – and 3 of those losses were by field goals, so he’s damn near undefeated.
McNabb plays his best ball in December….
And coincidentally – the Eagles have turned it on in December every year Reid has been coach – aside from D Nabb’s rookie season and the Mike McMahon debacle in 2005.
Are you denying this? If you really think that we “can’t say” McNabb would have done better than Kolb in the second half of the Ravens game, that’s sad.
McNabb is not invincible – he’s slumped before. And HASN’T been benched. And still performed well. Do you remember 2003? You talk about the “previous 6 quarters” being such a big deal…how about 8?
McNabb went a combined 37-82, (45%) 334 yards, 3 INTs, 0 TDs and 2 fumbles lost in the first 2 games of 2003. The Eagles lost both games. (started 0-2) Did Reid bench McNabb? Nope. He recovered. The Eagles won 9 of 10 and won the division.
So Reid didn’t bench McNabb in 2003 but he recovered, as did the Eagles team. So….wait a minute….McNabb wasn’t benched and still played well.
But you’re saying now that because Reid benched McNabb against Baltimore – that has immediately led to his revival.
How can YOU come to that definitive of a conclusion?
mcnabb’s 15-4 as a full-game starter in December since 2000 – and 3 of those losses were by field goals, so he’s damn near undefeated
A loss is a loss… no matter by how many points. 15-4 is about 78%, so it’s not damn near undefeated. But it is an incredible record. I’m not denying that the Eagles have an extremely impressive record under Andy Reid in December, I’m just saying that “the Eagles will win because they do every December” is not a crutch I want to lean on every year. It’s fantastic that we’ve been fortunate enough to see really good performaces out of our entire team (not just McNabb) down the stretch, but it’s not something you should simply count on repeating itself every year, just because…
If you really think that we "can’t say" McNabb would have done better than Kolb in the second half of the Ravens game, that’s sad.
It’s not sad, it’s a fact…. Hate to tell you.
McNabb vs. Balt (one half of play) – 8/18 59 yards 44% comp. 0 TDs 2 Ints. 13.2 rating
Kolb vs. Balt (one half of play) – 10/23 73 yards 43% comp. 0 TDs 2 Ints. 15.3 rating
Statistically, they almost had the exact same proportional production given the same playing time. And it’s not as if McNabb was starting to heat up going into the half. He did nothing to indicate that he was going to turn it around. So yes. I really think that we can’t say McNabb would have done better in the second half against the Ravens. He may have… he may not have.
Yes I remember 2003. What does 2003 have to do with this year? Nothing.
Okay, I’ll count the final two quarters of the Giants game on the 9th of November and look at 8 quarters, as you suggested.
11/9 (second half) – 8/16 110 yards 50% comp. 2 TDs 1 Int 111.9 rating
Bengals game – 28/58 339 yards 48% comp. 1 TD 3 Ints. 50.9 rating
Ravens game (first half) – 8/18 59 yards 44% comp. 0 TDs 2 Ints. 13.2 rating
Total for your “previous 8” – 44/92 yards 47% comp. 3 TDs 5 Ints. 53.17 rating
Still looks pretty bad to me…
I still don’t understand the correlation with 2003. Yes McNabb slumped. No he wasn’t benched. Yes he did better. That was a different team, not this one. Who knows the truth? We don’t. Maybe things were said behind closed doors. Maybe Reid thought McNabb felt too comfortable and needed a wake up call. I don’t know… And no, I never said that the benching lead immediately to his revival. I was simply pointing out that Whodie made an accurate statement saying it is a classic coaching tactic. Maybe it changed things, maybe it didn’t. I’m not drawing a definite conclusion, nor am I saying that I would have done the same thing in that situation. I’m just stating, that contrary to your belief, that benching a player is a viable option that may or may not result in the player’s performace increasing.
I do, however, believe that if it was Reid’s intent to send a message that no one’s job was safe at the level the team was playing at, I’m sure he probably got through to them.
Concurrently, here are McNabb’s last 8 quarters since he returned from the bench:
46/69 451 yards 66% comp. 5 TDs 0 Ints. 109 rating
Now weather or not that’s a result of the benching, I don’t know for sure… but YOU can’t deny that those numbers are a hell of alot better than the previous ones…
World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...
McNabb would have done better than Kolb in the second half of the Ravens game, that’s sad.
I’m sorry but this is fucking moronic. McNabb had 1 TD 5 INTs and 2 lost fumbles in the 6 quarters leading up to his benching in Baltimore. So yeah I think at that point in time anyone could have done better. He needed to be benched and its looking like the message got through loud and clear to the entire team.
Everyone was crying saying that we either needed to fire Reid or Trade McNabb. I say bullshit, I love McNabb I hope he plays here until he can’t walk, I love Reid I think he is a hell of a coach who probably tries to do too much.
Back to your other post
benching mcnabb was the dumbest coaching move of the seasonI respect that you believe McNabb could have turned it all around and I’d like to believe that too but his benching wasn’t just for him. It was a message to the entire team, I don’t expect anyone that hasn’t coached or played sports competitively to understand this because it doesn’t make sense to pull your best player but it does need to be done at times.
he’s slumped before. And HASN’T been benched. And still performed well. Do you remember 2003? You talk about the "previous 6 quarters" being such a big deal…how about 8?
You are going to have to help me out with this one, At no time did McNabb have 8 quarters where he had a line similar to 1 TD 5 INTs and 2 lost fumbles the best I can see is the first 2 games 3 INTs 0 TDs.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
whodie
and I’d like to believe that too but his benching wasn’t just for him. It was a message to the entire team, I don’t expect anyone that hasn’t coached or played sports competitively to understand this because it doesn’t make sense to pull your best player but it does need to be done at times
did andy tell you it was a message to the entire team? did dawkins? did bradley? or maybe westbrook did? who said it was a message to the entire team? And you say “it does need to be done at times” –
which elite QB has been benched in the league? please give me an example.
i’m not talking about game managers, serviceable qbs, journeyman that have been benched. elite qbs – who has been benched mid season? who? favre? brady? manning? don’t tell me they haven’t played poorly before.
who kurt warner? jeff garcia? those are your examples? i don’t think that holds. was Jordan benched? maybe Kobe was pulled? Or maybe aikman was benched after his winless rookie campaign. Was Favre benched when his team went 4-12 in 2005.
You think McNabb could have gone 4-12 without being crucified?
I respectfully disagree that there is a point to reid’s madness. it wasn’t a move to motivate the team. says who? how do you know? it was a panic move. andy thought his rookie could provide a spark and it backfired, so then he covered his a** by putting McNabb back in. Which is just embarrassing in the first place. McNabb didn’t deserve to be benched. As a 10 year vet – he has earned the right to have HORRIBLE games. 2 or 3 in a row. Yes. He’s earned that right. If you don’t believe that, and instead want to say Andy’s a genius for benching his star player, I again respectfully disagree.
You are going to have to help me out with this one, At no time did McNabb have 8 quarters where he had a line similar to 1 TD 5 INTs and 2 lost fumbles the best I can see is the first 2 games 3 INTs 0 TDs.
I can help you out with this one:
2003: 37/82, (45) 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 2 fumbles lost. (2 Games, 2 Losses)
2008: 36/76, (47) 1 TD, 5 INTs, 2 fumbles lost (1.5 Games, 1 tie, 1 ?)
2003 is worse.
foos05 wants everyone to think that 2003 has nothing to do with 2008. If you don’t use a player’s past performance as an indicator of what he or she is capable of…what do you use? Do you go with your gut foos05? Or hypothetical? That don’t make sense.
In 2003, the Eagles lost both games at home. In 2003, McNabb did not throw for any touchdowns.
In 2008, McNabb’s poor play resulted in a tie. The Ravens’ first half score was 10-7. McNabb did not get a chance to lead his team back. People forget that the Birds were horrible in the first half of the Bengals game and McNabb STILL put together a scoring drive in the second half that tied the game. Unbelievable how short everyone’s memory is.
Why wasn’t McNabb given that same opportunity against the Ravens? Because Andy “made a good coaching move?” That’s hilarious.
So yes, McNabb’s line in 2008 was similar to 2003, but not as worse. Get a clue whodie/foos05.
by damonmoore43 on Dec 10, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Really dude?
you just proved that you have never played competitive sports ever in your life. I don’t need to talk to anyone to know basic coaching knowledge. When your team is in a slump you shake things up and you send messages (here’s a hint it’s not always the same for every team and every player), players respond differently. We know that when McNabb has been criticized he comes out with a chip on his shoulder and plays great. This technique might not work with a Favre or a Brady who are natural leaders. Everyone who has watched McNabb through his 10 years here has never questioned his talent but everyone has questioned his ability to be a true leader.
but not as worse
I’m not even going to get into this one.
2003: 37/82, (45) 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 2 fumbles lost. (2 Games, 2 Losses)
2008: 36/76, (47) 1 TD, 5 INTs, 2 fumbles lost (1.5 Games, 1 tie, 1 ?)
we can argue this till the cows come home point is 5 turnovers in 2 FULL games or 7 Turnovers and 1.5 …. I don’t even need to call on Andrew B for this one.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
whodie
you aint reply to none of my questions, GREAT post.
by damonmoore43 on Dec 11, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
PHILA
im not saying benching him was right at all or it was the complete answer, but u know if some comes at u like that your gonna come back with a chip on your sholder and shut thier asses up. thats wat i was gettin at . and as for the second half of the ravens game forget the stats ……either way u look at it . mcnabb was the BEST QB in that stadium that day why in the hell wouldnt you let him play second .
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