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So... if I was running the offense this week

So we have an upcoming game with the Vikings this Sunday.  It’s going to be our first playoff game since 2006 and McNabb’s first playoff game since the Super Bowl in 2004.  There’s been a lot made about this game matching up one team’s strengths versus another team’s weaknesses and so forth.  DVOA ranks Minnesota #4 versus the run and #5 versus the pass.  (We’re #3 in both by the way.)  So this isn’t going to be like throwing against the Rams secondary the first week of the season, like much of the media has made it out to be.  However, Minnesota does not defend the pass against RBs and TEs well, and that part plays into our hands well.  Even though their pass defense is generally a lot better than it is given credit for, I think the odds of our success increase if we’re somewhere in the neighborhood of 65/35 pass to run, especially if both Williams are playing.  The key in this game is actually going to be running the ball effectively when we do run it; not necessarily the number of times we run the ball.  And yes, I know that sounds like something Andy would say, but it’s the truth.

 

The Vikings get a lot of credit with their rushing defense, and it is well deserved.  But watching some of their games got me thinking that perhaps one part of their defensive unit gets a lot of credit in this area and another part doesn’t get enough…  Their D-Line is an extremely good line for stopping the run; especially anything inside, but honestly I think their linebackers make their rushing defense what it is.  Their line may create problems for offensive lines and does create plays in the backfield, but more-so it creates space problems in the interior and allows the linebackers to come down and fill gaps and make good plays on running backs.  I honestly think their LBs make this defense work.  If you take one or two LBs out of the equation, I don’t think the system works as well.

 

So, we need to come up with a gameplan that will give us a greater chance for success every time we do decide to run the ball, and to be honest, I think it’s going to take some creativity for this game.  I know the buzz phrase for our passing game is “match up problem,” but I think that to be effective running the ball, we need to create match up problems there as well, and using the offense we’ve used all season might not do that.  If I were Marty, I come up with a one time gameplan for this game.  I honestly think teams are approaching the Vikings the wrong way.  You can run against them, you just can’t do it against their Base D very well (due to their solid LBs).  So…  I think our best chance of success in this game may be to run 75%-80% of the game in 3 or 4 WR Sets and a lot of Shotgun.  I know right now if Andy is reading this he’s probably salivating (and not over pizza) and nodding in approval.  But wait, I didn’t say pass 75%-80% of the time.  Let me explain:  (First let me preface this by saying I could find stats tailored to this analysis, so I had to do my best with what I had.  Go figure… stats weren’t precise enough to look at what I wanted!)

 

First, let’s assume that I’m onto something and that it would be much easier to run against the Vikings D if they were minus a linebacker or two.  How do we go about forcing them into Nickel and Dime packages?  Exactly 3 and 4 WR sets; maybe throw in a 5 WR set every now and again by motioning Westbrook out of the backfield.  I think this really plays into our hand considering how well our WRs block; as far as the running aspect goes.  The key to running against this team is getting into space, and spreading the formation allows us to do that instantly.  So how do the Eagles do rushing out of these types of sets?

 

Out of Shotgun, we’ve run the ball 49 times this year @ 4.8 ypc.  Now looking at 3 and 4+ WR sets (and we’re going to have a few snaps overlap in the numbers, but I can’t filter them out), in 3 WR sets we’ve run the ball 96 times this year @ 5.1 ypc; 4+ WR sets have given us 26 @ 5.6 ypc.  Contrast that with the 123 carries @ 3.6 ypc out of 2WR set this year.  So clearly, we’ve run the ball well when we’ve gotten the other team into Nickel and Dime coverage during the year.  Why not do it this game; just more often?

 

Now for this idea to work, we have to run a large portion of our passing game out of the same type of formations.  So how does McNabb do in these situations? 

 

BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION

CMP

ATT

YDS

CMP%

YPA

LNG

TD

INT

SACK

RAT

Shotgun

185

308

2148

60.1

6.97

60

9

7

12

81.5

BY WR FORMATION

CMP

ATT

YDS

CMP%

YPA

LNG

TD

INT

SACK

RAT

2 Wide Receivers

109

185

1316

58.9

7.11

60

1

4

9

73.6

3 Wide Receivers

148

241

1649

61.4

6.84

90

13

6

7

89.4

4+ Wide Receivers

62

102

705

60.8

6.91

44

4

1

5

90.5

 

Actually, if you look at the numbers, McNabb functions statistically better in 4+ WR sets.  So this really shouldn’t be a problem either.

 

So for this to be effective, it has to be plausible for us to be able to mount a sufficient rushing attack out of these formations.  Now, to my knowledge, we’ve never really tried to do anything like this, so can NFL offenses function effectively this way?  I know no one is going to like what I’m about to say here, but let’s take a little look at the Patriots this season.  The Patriots top running backs ran the ball about 190 times this year out of 3 or 4+ WR sets and averaged about 5.4 ypc.  Now, this includes snaps taken under center and from shotgun.  How much can you possibly run the ball out of the shotgun formation?  Well the Patriots ran 359 plays from Shotgun and 110 of those were rushing plays.  That’s about 31%.  So, the Patriots showed that they can execute a gameplan running the ball a lot from the Shotgun formation particularly and out of the 3 WR and 4+ WR sets… but how effective were they for the season?  They ran for 2268 yards this year; 6th best in the NFL.  We were 22nd.  Does this system specifically work against a top rushing defense?  Well, it’s a small sample size, but the Patriots used this against one top 5 rushing defense this season; Pittsburgh.  Although they lost the game, they put up 120 yards on the ground; or about 40 yards more than Pittsburgh’s 80 ypg average. 

 

Now, if we can run about 30%-35% of the time from Shotgun, 3WR and 4+WR sets, I think we would probably end up with a 65/35ish ratio for the game overall, and I think this approach will give us the best chance of maximizing our rushing attempts against a good rushing defense. 

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TLDNR ... just playing

I agree running out of sets that force 7 in the box is smart and we are actually one of the few teams with the weapons to force that. I always said on QB sneaks we should run a 4WR and 5WR sets and get the LBs out of the middle make it line on line.

I think our success on Sunday will stem from screens and play action.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Dec 31, 2008 4:00 PM EST reply actions  

great post if only Andy and MArty visited this website haha

by phila.eagles on Dec 31, 2008 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

McNabb’s first playoff game since the Super Bowl in 2004.

Wow, that hadn’t occurred to me! BTW, McNabb is 5-0 in the first round of the playoffs, but 1-2 on the road in thew playoffs…

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Dec 31, 2008 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

nice stat

did that 1 (in the 1-2) come on the road?

Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?

by anuj on Dec 31, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Foos this is an absolutely tremendous post

I kept a spreadsheet of the eagles running plays for the first 3 quarters of the season, but stopped taking the bus to work so it fell into neglect.
From that spread sheet I was able to get at a lot of the info you cite in here (particularly the stuff about running from the shotgun formation).
Where did you get the other numbers? They read like they came directly from FO…
I’ve said things like “I don’t want to see the eagles execute another running play with fewer than 3 wideouts on the field”, but I didn’t have numbers to back up my rantings and here you come with the sweetness!
Beautiful.

Happy New Year from NYC (it’s fun to walk around Manhattan rocking the Eagles Lid)

by cavortingEagle on Jan 1, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Cavorting good to see you buddy.

+1 too Foos this is a great post.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Jan 1, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks man.

First let me say that this was a typo in my OP.

First let me preface this by saying I could find stats tailored to this analysis, so I had to do my best with what I had. Go figure… stats weren’t precise enough to look at what I wanted!

It should have read that I couldn’t find the stats that I really needed… ESPN had some individual stats that broke down some stuff into formation stats, so for a team outlook, I had to collect all of the individual stats and recalculate the outcomes. For example, I had to go get all of the Patriots’ individual stats to see how many times their RBs ran out of shotgun. I then figured out how many times they threw out of shotgun and that gave me an overall stat for total shotgun plays taken by the Pats. Had to do the same with the Eagles. Some of the other stuff was from FO like you said, but it wasn’t easy in the least bit.

I watched some of the Vikings games quick and watched how their LBs played. I also looked at the individual defensive stats from the DLine and the LBs to backup the fact that, indeed, their LBs make a lot of the plays that the MSM and general fandom equates to their DLine. I really wanted to find some type of resource that would let me evaluate how other teams did running the ball against the Vikings when they were in different defensive formations (Base, Dime and Nickel), but couldn’t find anywhere that kept stats like that…

The one problem I have is that not all of the stats were perfectly divided into the categories that I needed, so I had to make do…

But T.O. and his sideline histrionics wear on a quarterback. He's like the hot stripper you tried to clean up and convert into a real girlfriend. It's a lot of fun until the moment she has her second drink while out to eat with your parents. You unravel quicker than she does.

by foos05 on Jan 2, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

quick questions guys

i am seeing everywhere that Donny has a year left on his contract. It that true. I thought he was locked in as an Eagle til 2013

Who wants to play Leapfrog with Trent?

by anuj on Jan 1, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

2013 is correct ...

he has 1 more year of guaranteed money thats why lots of people think he will be gone and why he wants to restructure he is really of no liability to the Eagles. Football is not a compassionate business and for fans like us that is a hard pill to swallow because IMHO we love our team and our players like no other.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Jan 1, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

the key to winning is...

red zone offense. it’s been an achilles heel for the offense all year. assuming that the d plays ok, it’s imperative that the offense scores in the redzone

by ringordietryin on Jan 1, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

i dont feel like looking at the stats….but i feel that we have been better this year than we have in a while!

by GreenInBaltimore on Jan 1, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 great post

i think our pass/run ratio should be higher, like 55/45 so Jared Allen isn’t pinning his ears back rushing the QB, but I do agree we need to take the LBs out of the middle when we do. Whatever happens…its been a hell of a rollercoaster ride, hope we stay on all the way till the Superbowl!

by Eagles need to run on Jan 4, 2009 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

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