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Does anyone still think WRs are a glaring weakness?

List your top 3 weaknesses on this team

 

1.TE

2.OL

3. OLB


WRs IMO, are fine. Jackkson is going to be a 1k yard WR, we k now curtis is a 1k yard WR, and baskett brings that big body at WR.

 

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priorities

1. offensive line … this gives mcnabb more time and westbrook some blocking

2. tight ends not end !!! we need two … between lj smith working on the break out season were waiting for schobel is missing blocks left and right … do i need to bring up the chi game ? lol

3. A better offensive scheme …. or more balanced but in order to balance the two above are necessary

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 24, 2008 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Well

In my humble opinion, I think the WR situation is good for the first time in awhile. If Curtis hadn’t been injured, it’d be even better. But Reggie Brown sucks. He’s disappeared. That much needs to be said.

Also, as for your weaknesses, after the season is over we’ll also need a new Free Safety. And a real fullback would be nice.

by ajay on Nov 24, 2008 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

safety

was number 4 but i only thought we were listing 3

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 24, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

demps will make a fine safety he isn’t the big hitter dawkins is but few are. he does however have very good ball skills.

by 0sirys on Nov 24, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

this is easily our best group of recievers, however we still lack that guy that can get seperation at the line and make the tough catch in traffic. our recievers all have big play ability but they are undersized and defenses are not afraid to get right up in their face.

by njh3293 on Nov 24, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

demps

maybe looking to start … but we will need a replacement … considine needs to be 3’ded

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 24, 2008 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

but

does this mean we need another return man … ?

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 24, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

we have a WR on IR who is suppose to be an amazing returner … the only reason I can think of IR’ing him … or because his last name is Reid ?maybe?

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 25, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

WR isnt all that great

ok we have jackson hes great hes our furtur at that possition. but KC i dont know he has had one good season and that wa last year. this year he has 229 yards in 5 games that ist that great. could you imaging Jackson with a good TE and an other big reciver out there and Curtis in the slot.

yes its not our top priority but if the oppertunity knocks either in FA a good trade or crabtree then go for it but we shouldnt be chasing one like last year

by NickPampani on Nov 24, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

he’s still averaging over 10 yards per catch … and in his defense our Offense all around has been shitty so you can’t blame an off year completely on him.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 25, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

yes but

like ive said before timing is everything and him as a #1 isnt working. move him to the slot and find a true #1 and we would have a grat core there

by NickPampani on Nov 25, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d still like to upgrade your #1 wide receiver. But it is way better than the Charles Johnson/Torrence Small days. Maybe I’m too hung up on DeSean Jackson’s size, but I see him as more of a #2. A very, very good second receiver, but still not the #1. Same with Kevin Curtis, I see him as a #2 WR. Both Curtis and Jackson are very, very good #2 WR’s but still #2 receivers in my thinking. I’d like to see the Eagles get a #1 wide receiver with some speed and can play with some physicality. I still like Hank Baskett as the #3 and Avant as the #4.

All that said, I see the priorities as follows:

1. Offensive line. It’s offensive that they can’t get a yard or less on 3rd down. This unit seems to be crumbling apart due to age or whatever. Is anyone regretting that we traded away the first round draft pick to the Carolina Panthers that turned out to be right tackle Otah? He’s starting for the Panthers as a rookie. I do hope that King Dunlap can be a good player and Max Jean Gilles can improve. I have some real fears that Shawn Andrews may be a problem for the rest of his career with injuries and his other problems. But they need to put together a line that can blow people off the ball so they can run the ball.

2. Tight End. I’m fine with Celek as the second tight end, but I want a good tight end who can block and be a reliable receiver for Kolb. I want the coaches work with Celek and make a hard core committed effort to improve his blocking during the offseason and bring in a very good tight end to address that problem.

3. Safety. We really don’t know if Demps can play safety full time. If the Eagles are rebuilding (which seems pretty obvious) then I would think Dawkins will be gone after this season. We know Considine sucks and I don’t dislike Mikell, but I don’t know that he should be a starter on the defense for true contender.

You may have your answers at linebacker on this roster. It may not be a popular answer, but it might mean moving Stewart Bradley to the outside and putting Joe Mays in the middle.

I think running back may be a 4th or 5th priority. With Westbrook being dinged much of this season and Buckhalter getting dinged last week, it may be time to really find a second running back who could potentially carry the ball 20 times. I say that going under the assumption that Reid will be gone after this season and a coach who actually runs the ball a sane number of times in hired.

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 24, 2008 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

If DeSean jackson gets over 1k yards this year that will make him only the 6th or7th WR EVER to get 1k yards or more as a rookie WR…. how is that not #1? Is steve smith not a #1 bc of his size? or santana moss? Jackson will draw double coverages in his 2nd or 3rd year no doubt….he should at least.

by Joe_D on Nov 25, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't focus on the 1,000 yards receiving

I absolutely agree that Jackson is a dangerous receiver and will be/is an integral part of the offense. But a lot of his success comes outside of the red zone. In my opinion, a true #1 is effective inside the red zone. A true #1 can fight through the traffic inside the 20 for tough catches and score. DeSean has 1 touchdown this year.

Very, very good receiver. Absolutely. Integral part of the offense with his speed and ability to stretch the defense. Again, absolutely. I just think he will be the second part of a spectacular pairing. Like Wes Welker is to Randy Moss or John Taylor was to Jerry Rice.

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 25, 2008 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Safety. Need to replace BDAWK and a pool that includes Considine doesn’t make me feel good.
2. OL. For obvious reasons.
3. RB. Shelf life for star RBs is low, and Westbrook bruises easily.

Looking Mean in Kelly Green

by goodfella46er on Nov 24, 2008 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Demps is Dawks replacement … we need to draft a backup and that is not a top pick. OL is obvious this is probably the most important position. and I agree we need to draft a RB.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 25, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you say with conviction that Demps is the heir apparent?
We have yet to see him do anything other than cover punts and return kickoffs.
He’s good on both accounts, but does that make him a good safety?
What if the Rhodes Scholar were available with one of our top picks?
He plays SS, but…

My 3 needs
1) O-Line – If Runyan and Thomas are both still on the roster next year, there are problems
2) Safety
3) Running Back – after Buck we have no one and we need a counter punch to Westbrook akin to Marion Barber or Michael Turner.

by cavortingEagle on Nov 25, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say OL. RB/FB ( we need a big back or a great fullback) then finally OLB. Then again I think that 3 spots is too limiting in that so many spots need replacement!!

by phila.eagles on Nov 25, 2008 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

I'll take a turn

#1: O-line. Aren’t Thomas and Runyan FA’s after the season?

#2: TE. I was willing to ship a 1st round pick to KC for Tony Gonzalez, who’s under contract through the 2009 season and probably has a couple more years after that in him. Turns out, all it would have taken is 2nd round pick. How can you run a WCO without a good TE?

#3: RB. Westbrook is one of the best in the game when he’s anywhere near full strength. He hasn’t been healthy most of the season and Buck isn’t exactly an iron man either.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 25, 2008 2:11 AM EST reply actions  

d jack is not a #1

d jack is situational, receiver who needs space…he can’t make a play on a ball or a “tough catch” – he’s reggie bush at wr, but not as good

curtis ain’t doing nothing this year, he can’t even get off the line

baskett shows up every four weeks and makes 1 or 2 catches

give me a break

by damonmoore43 on Nov 25, 2008 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

d jack is situational, receiver who needs space…he can’t make a play on a ball or a "tough catch" – he’s reggie bush at wr, but not as good

Probably the most uninformed person in the world, Jackson strength is his ability to catch the tough ball. He doesn’t show the defender where the ball is and goes after it at it’s highest point.

I’m looking for more intelligent posts from you, else you are going into my do not acknowledge pile.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 25, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

what tough ball

what tough ball has desean caught? you saw donovan’s interception on Sunday as a prime example. sure the ball wasn’t the best, but he didn’t “make a play,” the way so many big-time receivers do in the league. he’s small and weak. his strength is SPACE because he is quick as hell and can out-maneuver the one-on-one WHEN HE HAS THE BALL.

what tough ball has desean caught. look at the film. either he has burned his receivers or he gets dink and dunk stuff crossing the field that he turns into big gains…GIVE ME A BREAK.

by damonmoore43 on Nov 25, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

just just like Steve Smith… small and weak… pathetic… it’s not like the kid is freddie mitchell or todd pinkston running around avoiding contact… if you honestly feel this way and aren’t just saying this because you’re looking for something to bitch about, you really haven’t been paying attention to him enough

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Nov 25, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF!

This kid is on pace to accomplish something only 5 other WRs in the history of NFL were able to do but he’s not a #1 because hes not 6’3’’ 230?

by Joe_D on Nov 25, 2008 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said above

I absolutely agree that Jackson is a dangerous receiver and will be/is an integral part of the offense. But a lot of his success comes outside of the red zone. In my opinion, a true #1 is effective inside the red zone. A true #1 can fight through the traffic inside the 20 for tough catches and score. DeSean has 1 touchdown this year.

Very, very good receiver. Absolutely. Integral part of the offense with his speed and ability to stretch the defense. Again, absolutely. I just think he will be the second part of a spectacular pairing. Like Wes Welker is to Randy Moss or John Taylor was to Jerry Rice.

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 25, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

really dude...

have you watched the Eagles this year.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 25, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson can get pushed around sometimes but hes not afraid of contact or the middle of the field. that McNabb interception was probably his fault but hes only a rookie, hes going to have hs ups and downs. give him a few more years to hit the weight room and bulk up and hes a pro-bowler. the fact that a rookie WR is even on the field in our complex (but shitty) offense is a positive.

by njh3293 on Nov 25, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

d jack can flat out play...

but he’s not a #1. he’s an outstanding rookie. when he gets in space, he’s tough catch up to. he’s having an amazing rookie season. but this talk about “he makes the tough catches” or he’s a #1 receiver…he’s a #1 receiver on the Eagles. there’s a difference. A #1 is a #1 on virtually any team. Randy Moss is a #1. Owens is a #1. Fitzgerald is a #1. Steve Smith is a #1. his numbers prove it. djack is a rookie people.

what TOUGH CATCHES does he make? no one answered this question, by the way, steve smith BREAKS TACKLES, people. Steve Smith’s an All-Pro. D Jack is not Steve Smith. Let’s not confuse reality.

no one said small receivers can’t be #1s. not djack. not 12 games into the season. give me a break.

djack is a #1 on the Eagles only b/c of the futility of the fellow receivers…that’s like saying thrash is a #1. give me a break.

by damonmoore43 on Nov 25, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson has also played half a season… how about YOU give HIM a break and see what he develops into before you cast judgement

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Nov 25, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you have #1 confused with superstar. Moss and Owens are having Hall Of Fame careers, you can count the number of WR’s in the NFL on the Moss/Owens level on one hand. Of course Jackson does not match up to them. Also, you are going to comment on comparing Jackson to Steve Smith, then turn around and compare him to Thrash??

D Jackson certainly has the potential to be a solid #1, and I would have no problems going into next year with him penciled in as the top WR. Also, Jackson has certainly made tough catches this year, the guy is fearless over the middle. I do recall thinking to myself many times while watching games this season “that was a tough catch!” regarding Jackson. However, I am not about to go analyze game tape just to cite specific plays. You obviously watched the same games, so if you did not interpret some of his catches as “tough”, then I guess we disagree.
.

by captain nodar on Nov 25, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

tough catch

one (maybe two) catch comes to mind! the one on the sideline against the rams!

and on the int against the ravens, he got up for the ball but couldn´t catch it! and djax was 3yards in front of the cornerback! he had his hands on the ball and with a little bit of luck he could´ve come down with it! would have been a tough catch too i think!
AND he´s a rookie!
 i agree with cap´n when he says that he has no problem with jackson as our #1!

by daveG10 on Nov 26, 2008 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I think OL is always important, we need to draft a RB but I’m not saying high I’m looking for a Westy like steal. I think a big run stopping DT would help this team out a lot someone that can take up two OL or an OL and RB and clog some holes.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 25, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Not to put the WR situation on McNabb, but the guy just doesn’t make his receivers better. Look at New Orleans and Brees (but there are several other examples). Lance Moore looks like the second coming of Jerry Rice and he’s just practice squad re-tread. Marcus Colston was a 7th round draft pick in ’06 (Pennsylvania guy out of Hofstra- nice homework, Andy).

McNabb has had some real turkeys, no doubt, but with all the raw material he’s had to work with, he’s not helped one WR get better.

As far as needs go, Andy needs to lay off the “projects” and do a better job in the film room before the draft. Everyone in the media thought we got a steal with Winston Justice. There was a reason why 31 other teams laid off him, he sucks.

Look at what the Vagaints have done in the last 3 years through the draft: Boss, Bradshaw, Tuck, and Jacobs were all 3rd round or lower.

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Nov 25, 2008 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

outrageous

Mcnabb has had some real turkeys, no doubt, but with all the raw material he’s had to work with, he’s not helped one WR get better

Last time I checked Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, James Thrash, Charles Johnson, Torrance Small…didn’t have much of a career after not playing with McNabb.

*Thrash only seemed to show up against the Eagles when he played for the ‘Skins. Other than that, he had his most productive seasons with #5.
*Mitchell’s out of the league, a product ONLY of spectacular McNabb scrambles, heaves and miracles. (See 4th and 26, 14 seconds, etc.)
*After his time with the Eagles, Pinkston saw action with…..When he was finished with the Eagles…then Pinkston signed with…oh wait. He didn’t. Only practice squads for two seasons before being cut from two different teams. His NFL lifeline was a product of McNabb, not his own talent.

*Then there’s Chad Lewis. An undrafted free agent who made two pro bowls with McNabb.

by damonmoore43 on Nov 25, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Last time I checked Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, James Thrash, Charles Johnson, Torrance Small…didn’t have much of a career after not playing with McNabb.

Didn’t have much of one with him either.

Out of the following (I think this is every WR since’00) who has had a “breakout year” under McNabb?
Na Brown
Dameane Douglas
Charles Johnson
Todd Pinkston
Torrance Small
Alex Van Dyke
Freddie Mitchell
Gari Scott
James Thrash
Antonio Freeman
Greg Lewis
Billy McMullen
Sean Morey
Terrell Owens
Reggie Brown
Darnerien McCants
Jason Avant
Hank Baskett
Donte’ Stallworth
Kevin Curtis
DeSean Jackson

Now, you can say that they all sucked, but what is the common denominator?

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Nov 25, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

players wwho had there best years under McNabb

TO
Kevin Curtis
Todd Pinkston did decent
Sorry to say but FredEx was promisning under 5
Thrash had his best years
and freeman had decent years with us
most of those players were drafted by the horible scout team their lack of carrer isnt b/c of # 5 its because they suck

by NickPampani on Nov 25, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

what is a breakout year for a sucky WR? relevance?

that’s what makes your “mcnabb not being a top 5 qb or top 15 qb” comparison or statement…ridiculous…

none of these receivers would probably even make a squad if it wasn’t for #5.

curtis went from a 3rd option behind hold/bruce…in the “greatest show on turf” to nearly 80 catches and 1100 yards.

freddie mitchell did not make a team oldasquick…did not make a team after Philly. his career was 4th and 26, 14 seconds and some playoff touchdowns. And if he would have caught the 3rd down pass from #5 and it not been off and intercepted – he would have had another big play. what has he done since?

pinkston did not make a team without #5. did not make a team. he was the #2 receiver for 4 seasons with McNabb. 4 seasons. todd pinkston in the league for 4 seasons. unbelievable. that’s a breakout year to me. For Pinkston to give up on a throw because he was scared to get hit and McNabb go right back to him the next play. he kept his career alive.

greg lewis is only in the league because of his games against the Patriots. And that multi-TD game against the packers in 2006. He’s not doing anything on special teams. let’s see how many squads he makes after the birds cut him.

thrash was 3 years at #1 slot for #5. 3 years. him and pinkston. that’s not happening on other teams. what has he done since?

i’m not even going to entertain the rest…

i like how you left out chad lewis, like he wasnt garbage before he came to the Eagles as an undrafted player from the Rams Super Bowl squad. pro bowl for lewis??!!?

you know why these receivers haven’t produced? because it takes two. a quarterback can’t make you shine.

Moss gon get his. whether its Brady, Culpepper, Cunningham or Cassel.
Owens gon get his. whether its McNabb, Garcia, Young or Romo.

Eagles receivers ain’t doing that.

i’m done.

by damonmoore43 on Nov 25, 2008 7:55 PM EST reply actions  

Greatest Show on Turf was toast after the ’01 season. Curtis was drafted in ’03.
Chad Lewis is a TE not a WR.
Pinkston had a devastating Achilles injury and never returned to form.

Sheesh, why do I even try?

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Nov 25, 2008 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

you never loose the knoladge and curtis still can learn from the experiance there
chad lewis might have well been a WR he led the team in catches multiple years
your ancle doesnt affect how far you exten your arms and weather you can catch of not lat time i checked

…..

by NickPampani on Nov 25, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude- did you read the thread?

I’m refuting the statement that Curtis played for the “Greatest Show on Turf”. FACT- He didn’t
I’m Talking WR’s and he brings up Chad Lewis. FACT- Lewis was a TE
He used Pinkston as an example. FACT- Pinkston wasn’t the same after his Achilles injury.

McNabb is a good (not great) QB, and he’s gone after this season. Get over it.

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Nov 25, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

how could you hounestly think that

looking at the numbes he put up and and records he broke do you hunestly think he is not great. name one reciver he has had that is a possible even for a nomination at the hall of fame. 0 that the number if you exclude TO. lets look at hall of fame QBs ok

montana and young had rice
marino had plenty but fryer was there for a while
brady had branch and has moss
farve had driver freeman sharp
elway had shannon sharp and rod smith

and thats off the top of my head.
do you realize the only person McNabb has thrown to on a regular basis that migh show up on a Hall of Fam Ballid is westbrook and only westbrook and TO has been in the probowl. he doesnt have the tallent but yet he still sets records and plays at a probowl level

by NickPampani on Nov 25, 2008 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess that’s where we differ. I will (and always have) concede that McNabb is a good, solid QB. I’ve been a fan of his for 10 years. My son and I have matching McNabb jerseys. In my opinion, he doesn’t make his receivers better.

Montana had Rice, but before that he had Dwight Clark, a slow white guy that Joe made look like all-world.
Marino had three pro-bowlers in his career but also made guys like Jimmy Cefalo and OJ McDuffie look good.
Brady turned a ton of no names into household names (what has Branch done in Seatlle?)
Favre MADE Driver. He was a 7th round pick out of Alcorn State who couldn’t catch a cold in his first three years.
Elway MADE Rod Smith, an undrafted FA who also rode the pine for a couple years.

Here is what I’ve come to see after watching McNabb for 10 years:
He doesn’t help his receivers get better
He often lacks touch on his throws
He’s injury prone
He’s a slow starter
He’s not locker room leader
He can’t win (or will the team to win) the big game.

I would put him in the category as Ken O’Brien or Boomer Esiason, both very good QB’s.

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Nov 26, 2008 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

agree to disagree

i feel alot of people expect too much out of McNabb. I dont know why but they do and what he has done here is something that few QBs have done for their teams. i feel he is deffinatly above obrien and boomer

by NickPampani on Nov 26, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

JACKSON IS

 the best WR andy ever picked up and dude can ball. il co sign who ever posted mcnabb was the only reason alot of these bums we had ever stayed in the league. T.O. best year ever wit MCNABB thats alot to be said . along with NEVER i repeat NEVER had a legit running game . id like to see manning wit that list of bums lolololol .and Brees il give credit he ballin now but colston aint no fukin punk . but where was brees before a couple of years ago OYA GARBAGE. U GIMMIE A BEAK

by FLAeagle on Nov 25, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

WR’s I think is still a top priority for the Eagles. Curtis and Jackson aren’t number one receivers, and they don’t get much separation at the line. We need like an Anquan Boldin or Calvin Johnson, someone that brings size, separation, and skill

by jleithiser on Nov 25, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

OL, TE, RB and FS are bigger priorities

I think we can live with these WRs, MINUS GREG LEWIS! DeSean Jackson and Hank Baskett are decent, although not #1 receivers. Neither are Brown or Curtis. We need another big bodied receiver in the mix, because if you take Baskett out of the mix, all these guys are small.

I’d draft a receiver in maybe the 3rd or 4th round but in the meantime, OL, TE, RB have to be addressed.

by JJinPA on Nov 26, 2008 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

#1 is......

Coaching

"I've gotto go with PSU. Ill make that pick every year till I die, and eventually it's gonna happen. Hear me now."- LL Cool J

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