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McNabb benched... is it for good?

Donovan McNabb turned the ball over 3 times in the first half and was left on the bench when the Eagles came out for the 3rd quarter. His three turnovers in the first half today gave him seven in two games. Clearly at the end of that first half McNabb was probably knee deep in the worst stretch of his career.

So enter Kevin Kolb... The QB changed, but the results or playcalling really didn't. Kolb threw 2 picks including one in the end zone that went for 6 the other way. Now, the fact that Kolb entered a game in the second half on the road against the NFL's #2 ranked defense with no first team preparation during the week and looked like a guy seeing first real NFL action is not a big surprise. He looked like a bundle of nerves to start and made rookie mistakes, including the decision to try and force the pass in the end zone rather than just throw it away when nothing was there.

The question now is whether to stick him with him and let him go through the growing pains that young QBs go through... or do you back to McNabb and hope that sitting him in this game lit some sort of fire underneath him? We should get that answer very soon since the Eagles have just 3 days to prepare for the Cardinals.

In his post game press conference Andy Reid said that he has not decided on his starter for Thursday.

Benching a surprise to McNabb and Kolb

During his post game press conference, Andy admitted that he did not tell McNabb that he was being benched at halftime, nor did he tell Kolb that he would start. Presumably, both players found out when they took the field for the second half. So not only did Kolb get no time to prepare during the week, he didn't even have halftime to get ready... There's a recipe for success.

Eagles offense shut out

The lone Eagles TD came on a Quintin Demps kickoff return. The Eagles offense did not score.

If you expected Andy to change his gameplan or playcalling when he changed QBs... you were wrong. If you expected Andy to change his gameplan or playcalling after last week's struggles you were wrong.

There were about 44 or 45 called pass plays(inlcuding a few QB scrambles) and 17 called run plays. One run play was by Desean Jackson from the wildcat formation.

So clearly there was absolutely no balance. Absolutely no more commitment to the run... Just more of the same.

Final score doesn't do the D justice

The Eagles defense absolutely came to play today. They played more than good enough to win. For the vast majority of the game they stifled the Raven's rush, had Flacco under constant pressure, and made big third down stops. Almost 40 of the Ravens' 110 yards of team rushing came in garbage time when the game was well out of hand.

That's two straight weeks now where the defense held up it's end of the bargain, but the offense did not.

Moving forward

This is a weird moment to be an Eagles fan or a person who writes about the Eagles. There's really no time to dwell on this game since the Eagles play again on Thursday... but then again in many ways this is a momentous day in the Reid/McNabb era. Hopefully we'll get some answers about who starts this Sunday soon.

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Who should start this Thursday at home against the Cardinals?
Donovan McNabb
427 votes
Kevin Kolb
357 votes

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Andy Reid is a idiot for putting kolb in then…all u kolb lovers listen up, friggin after half we are 3!!!! points down, well reachable, so putting kolb in then was absolute BULLSHIT, McNabb is the best, mot prepared QB we have, he had halftime to readjust and get ready and Reid pulled him wats more whichi wasnt aware of b4 was he didnt even tell kolb he was goin in till gametime…I think Reids tryin to get fired

Fire the Fat One
Fire Andy Reid

by XxBleedGreen5xX on Nov 23, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop with the “Kolb” lover stuff. That has nothing to do with it. We know that this starts with Reid.

by JasonB on Nov 23, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say it, but that choice has a certain finality to it.
McNabb was awful.
Brown was actually open on the pick, had Kolb thrown it with more touch – lead reggie more, floated the pass a bit, that was a TD. Chalk it up to a “rookie” mistake coughed up to one of the best safeties in the NFL
I think Andy has to stick by his guy and live and die by him.
this is his career.

by cavortingEagle on Nov 23, 2008 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andy Reid's Resignation

It is not McNabb’s fault, it is the play calling. McNabb does what he is told through the communication from Andy Reid. Andy gives him the same old plays that the whole NFL already knows. Andy is being too predictable with his plays. Andy calls plays in the red zone that shouldn’t be played. For instance, you are in the red zone with inches to go, you’re suppose to push it in, not a pass play. This way there is less risk in an interception and with a chance of a field goal if all else fails. This is one of many plays that Andy Reid does not change. Changing the quarterback will not make a difference as long as the same old plays are being called. We have seen a taste of this tonite with Kevin Kolb with the same play and same interception as McNabb.

by qdamien99 on Nov 23, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Nov 24, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for allowing us the chance to blog and suffer, Jason!

Again, I am grateful for your blog. I thought I was hallucinating when the second half started if not for your blog. This game was just depressing.

  It was a gutless move for Andy not even to tell McNabb he was benched… he had Marty deliver the news, I guess. Way to destroy a guy with a confidence/intestinal fortitude problem in the first place. Now not only does Andy have to go but probably McNabb as well as he’ll probably be a head case from this point on in Philly. All this, with the Cards coming up next. We’ll be the Thanksgiving turkey…..

by JJinPA on Nov 23, 2008 5:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What happens if we tank?

Suppose we don’t win another game. Do we get a Top Ten draft pick at this point?

by JJinPA on Nov 23, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe late top 10, more likely early teens. There’s quite a few teams worse off than us right now.

by JasonB on Nov 23, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I rather lose than win right now. It serves no purpose to win.

Can you say Crabtree!

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Nov 24, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There should be a third option on the survey:

Doesn’t matter. Reid’s playcalling will doom whoever sets up under center.

by FuquaManuel on Nov 23, 2008 5:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just run the wildcat and snap the ball directly to Jackson?

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 23, 2008 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hate the wildcat

Defenses should just audible to a cover 2 zone against it and call it good – let the idiots who run it get their 3 yards…

by cavortingEagle on Nov 23, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha,,, We are running high school offenses

Lets just run the fun and gun…Haha..Wildcat sucks bro.

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Nov 24, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok..that was a joke.

Although, I did at one point tell my wife “Kevin just needs to throw it to DJ on every play.” And that’s pretty much how me moved the ball up the field.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 23, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This week is gonna suck. I’m gonna live in my Phillies sweatshirt, and forget this game took place.

by JJinPA on Nov 23, 2008 5:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let McNabb start on Thursday

It’s going to be nearly impossible to get Kolb spun up in 3 days. I’m a realist here, the odds are extremely long that McNabb is playing QB next year for the Philadelphia Eagles. All that’s left is to build up as much trade value as you can. Let him face the Cards, Giants and Browns and have him put up some numbers while the Eagles are still technically in contention. Once Philly has been officially eliminated from the WC then you can make the switch to Kolb and build for the future. I just worry that if the Eagles bench McNabb right now it will have a negative affect on what the he can bring back in a trade. His future new team could argue that if he wasn’t good enough to start for a Philly team still in contention then maybe he’s not really worth blah blah blah.

It’s strictly gamesmanship at this point but oh well. It’s also ruthless and a little cruel to McNabb but there are holes in the franchise that maybe his trade could help fill. Philly is going to have to replace their starting O-Tackles and FS, maybe their Sam LB as well and that’s just off the top of my head.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 23, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your defense played real tough today

But your offense tried to give us the game all day and we just didn’t seem to want to take it, for the first three quarters at least. However, this is a classic Ravens bend-but-don’t-break defense. When I saw we were getting pressure on McNabb, I knew the turnovers would follow. I just didn’t expect so many nor did I expect us to not do too much w/ them. Face it, thoi, Eagles fans, if the Ravens offense had any bite in the first half, we could have put a 50 spot up on you, so try to find the “bright” spot in this loss?

Good luck on Thanksgiving!

Rexx

by Rexx on Nov 23, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A friend...

copied a TiVO’d version of Game 5 of the World Series for me on a flash drive, so I’ll be cuing that up all week.

by ajay on Nov 23, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

lol

thank god +1

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 23, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kolb or McNabb, it doesn't matter

Until we develop a run game, not even Peyton Manning can save this offense. 70 to 80% of our offensive plays are passes. Our best wide receiver is a rookie who makes mental errors, so basically 100% of those passes are going to guys we can’t trust. How can any quarterback succeed against a great defense when those defenders know what the play is, and don’t even really have to account for the skill positions? All they have to do is clog passing lanes and wait on an interception or a coverage sack.

McNabb might be the scapegoat for now, but Reid is the guy who needs to go. Whatever balance this offense had is lost, and Reid obviously can’t see that.

by afksports on Nov 23, 2008 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you. I think any QB is doomed to fail in this offense as is.

by JasonB on Nov 23, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got some good stuff brewing on the Eagles running game – will have something later this week.
If Andy stays coach and he doesn’t develop a respectable threat I will start calling for his ouster as loudly as Joe_D

by cavortingEagle on Nov 23, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else think Reid is incompetent?

Why isn’t anyone calling for Reid’s dismissal? Instead of trying to call a balanced game, he was trying to figure out what he could eat at halftime. Is there a sandwich in my locker? This guy was good a few years ago but whatever he had is gone now.

Did you see him trying to challenge calls that 1) were correct and 2) can’t be challenged? Why do referees always have to explain the rules to our coach? It’s because he is a f***ing idiot.

Maybe Donovan would produce something if the play calling were a bit better. The first interception was a fluke. I was calling for Donovan to go all year last year but this season isn’t his fault. The play calling has been flaccid, predictable, and tepid since the second game of last season. Let’s put Jim Johnson is as head coach and get a decent offensive coordinator.

by roberto.croce on Nov 23, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

noooo

jim needs to stay right where he is … im not sure i trust filling in a new d coach …. d is the only thing we got going for us this season somewhat …

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 23, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Reid is done. Sorry to say, it but donovan hasnt been to brillant without T.O. Andy Reid is a fat slob arent you philly fans embarassed by the fact that he doesnt care what he looks like? However JIm Johnson is the man I relished watching your D eat Big Ben for b

by RayLewisForPresident on Nov 24, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

draft ....

if only crabtree was a junior lol …

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 23, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hear, hear.

Without Shawn Andrews, we have no power game. Westbrook became a star because he had Andrews as a road grader and that made the whole line better. I wonder how many of our run plays don’t involve a RG pull or going off guard.

Another problem this year is that we have no abilty to use an effective play action game.

We need a TE for sure. I think a new TE and a commitment to the run game (40-45% at least) and we’d be in decent shape on O. I’d say another RB but we don’t use the ones we have. Aside: what’s with Lorenzo Booker? Ugh, we can’t do anything right in the mid rounds!

by OTP on Nov 23, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i thnk we're awesome in mid rounds

we just suck for 2nd round picks. but it appears jackson and perhaps laws wil put an end to it…

by Joe_D on Nov 23, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

with all i hear about CRABTREE he will be a huge bust.cant help not to be

by raven on Nov 23, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

seeing

as how offense has failed lately …

If football had a church, Brian Dawkins would be my preacher !

by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 23, 2008 6:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Send Kolb in

The season is over. Let the kid play and get some actual experience, and see if there’s anything to him or if he’s just Mike McMahon II.

by Shem the Penman on Nov 23, 2008 7:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Priorities

1. Scheme: more run-pass balance. At least more Buck, more Booker, more play-action. This is on Andy—we’re outcoached all the time. OL will get better if we run, but once we start running more, we need to go with our best running package. Man we miss Andrews.
2. RBs: We have 3 or 4 on the roster. Let’s use them all.
3.QBs. If we run more and McNabb still sucks, then make the change. But I agree that just switching out the QB won’t do anything for us without addressing the scheme and using all our backs.

by OTP on Nov 23, 2008 7:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

its impossible to win when your coach puts u in these ridiculous situations. reid is just flat out stubburn to abandon the run and continually throw on every play. i realize that our o-line creates 0 holes on virtually every run and dudes are in our backfield just about the same time the handoff is being made- but u still have to stick wit it or try some other plays. I never seem to see any tosses to westbrook or shovel passes or anything creative. same BS running up the gut and diving every time. even saying that, how do u expect to run up the gut wit no FB? why was tupeh released??

by Bugzy on Nov 23, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Our running game is awful.
Abandoning the run is what a good coach would do.
Saying, ‘but you can’t run if you don’t “establish the run”’ is a bunch of cockamamie bull. Circular reasoning at it’s best.
If you get 17 yards on your first 10 carries, what makes you think you’ll get 50 on your next 10.
Our running game regularly gets 17 yards on it’s first 10 carries.
Even though teams try to force other team to be 1 dimensional, it’s easier to be 1.5 dimensional with a creative passing attack than a creative running game (though my hated wildcat is changing that)…

by cavortingEagle on Nov 23, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Balance watch

The balance wasn’t terrible. There were relatively few situations where it made a ton more sense to run than to pass. Most drives except at the end of each half were a 33-66 ratio of run to pass, which is understandable because so many were 3 and out. Only 8 runs were 4 yards or more, while the other 9 were 2 yards or less. There were two tackles for loss on runs, which equals the number of sacks the Ravens got. I just wish we’d see more of Buckhalter.

1st Drive
1 run (6 yards), 5 pass

2nd Drive
1 run (1 yard), 3 pass

3rd Drive
4 runs (8 yard, 8 yard, 1 yard, 4 yards), 5 pass

4th Drive
1 run (2 yards), 2 pass

5th Drive
1 run (-4 yards), 2 pass

6th Drive
1 run (2 yards), 2 pass

7th Drive
1 pass

8th Drive
3 pass (Hail Mary/End of Half)

9th Drive
3 runs (2 yard, 12, yard, 6 yard), 3 pass

10th Drive
1 run (-2 yards), 2 pass

11th Drive
2 pass

12th Drive
1 run (1 yard), 2 pass

13th Drive
3 run (12 yard, 4 yard, 0 yard on goal line), 6 pass

14th Drive
1 run (4 yard), 3 pass

15th Drive
7 pass (game out of hand)

by Andrew B on Nov 23, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Buck might just be limited at best for the practices this week.
After he came back, there was 1 play where he was on the field (lined up at FB), I think he couldn’t go…

by cavortingEagle on Nov 23, 2008 8:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You can't run the ball when

your O line isn’t getting any push and you don’t have a REAL fullback. Klecko is not a fullback, no matter what Andy says.

Also, on 2nd and goal with 6 inches, who called that pass? Completely insane.

by Smokin Jo on Nov 23, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

FIRE REID!!!!

The time is now Eagles fans. After 10 seasons, it is time to show Andy Reid the door. The reasons are endless. The bad play calling, mediocre drafting, horrible time management, the arrogant press conferences, enough is enough.

Its time to let Jeffrey Lurie know how displeased we are with Andy Reid, and that we feel it is time to move the team in a new direction. If you have had enough of Coach Reid and feel like you might throw up if you watch him coach another game, please sign this petition and send it to your fellow Eagles fans.

After the final week of the NFL’s regular season, when the Eagles miss the playoffs again, this petition and all of its signatures will be printed out and mailed to the Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie. Make sure to tell friends to sign the petition.

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by firereid on Nov 23, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

McNabb could've taken it much worse.

I stand by my in-game call that Reid did this out of one-game desperation and he will start McNabb on Thursday.

I also thing that the only “desperate” thing left for him to do is to swallow his offensive pride and commit to the run. Or let Morhinweg go back to what he did with Garcia-led offense (and a healthy Westbrook, I admit).

Anyway, sounds like D-Nabb took it about as well as he could. He shouldn’t be happy, as a competitor, but he should understand why.

"My first (reaction) was, ‘Wow.’ But you go along with it," McNabb said. "I am upset about us losing the game, and I’m upset that I wasn’t able to contribute. But I am going to focus on trying to help this team get better by eliminating mistakes and turnovers."
    Kolb failed to cure the ailing Eagles (5-5-1), going 10-for-23 for 73 yards and two interceptions — a 15.3 rating. One of his interceptions was returned an NFL-record 108 yards for a touchdown by Ed Reed.
    "Obviously, it didn’t go good and I’m not going to pretend that it did," Kolb said.
    Reid said he would decide Monday whether to start McNabb or Kolb in Thursday’s home game against Arizona.
    "That will be a decision he will make. The thing I will do is I will continue to prepare as if I am the starter," McNabb said. "I’ve been a part of this thing for 10 years. You have to have short-term memory in this league, be able to focus on who you’re playing and be able to move on."

— From the AP

by D3Keith on Nov 23, 2008 9:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Have McNabb start...

…but bench Reid. :P

Yeah, McNabb was having a bad game, but it’s a whole lot harder to play good when the defense knows where the ball’s going because of atrocious play calling.

by Filth2Fury on Nov 23, 2008 9:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good Game

Man, that Eagles D anit no joke. I cant count how many times Flacco should of been picked off. You guys played a great game defensiely but couldnt get it toghter offensively. Hopefully you guys re-group and close out the season strong. Good Luck throughout the season adn keep ya heads up!

FEAR THE NEVERMORE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Benji5203 on Nov 23, 2008 10:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sabotaged by your crappy coach

First off, I can’t believe you took out McNabb because of Reed imbalanced and predictable attack. This ass is pinning the blame on his QB to steal a few more years of coaching paychecks. Why in the world would you pass on the 1 foot line with a rookie QB. Thank you for the gift. You are right about your D. Your D was great and I thought we were cooked at half. We had 3 ints and couldn’t score TDs. I guess Reed doesn’t have his sausages wrapped around the D play book. Support McNabb because the backup and free agency is a looonnnggggg road to hoe. What’s amazing is that Reed managed like he was putting a 2-8 team out of it’s misery. Way to pack it in. Without support your not getting the guys in the bunkers.

by raven on Nov 23, 2008 11:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i meant without “run support” in that last sentence

by raven on Nov 23, 2008 11:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nice play breakdown… coaches who more often run on 2nd and 4 will succeed. it usually leads to a 3rd and 2 which no defense can defend confidently. if i had a series where i gained 4 and 6 yards on my first two runs there is no way i’m passing more than running until it completely shuts down. reid passed 5 of those 8 times in that possession. fundmentally stupid…and considering the ravens just gave up 200+ to the Giants and our best D player is Ed Reed.

by raven on Nov 24, 2008 12:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

God I hope the Iggles start Kolb when we play you guys....

and it seems like McNabb has already started house hunting in Chicago….

The only team in the division with more drama than us. God bless you for that….

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Nov 24, 2008 12:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Will this be Dawkins last year?

"Brandon Roy is your favorite restaurant" - Dave

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 24, 2008 5:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can’t remember the last time the team has seemed this rudderless.

If it’s McNabb, then we’re in a situation for the rest of the year where both guys are always looking over their shoulders.

If it’s Kolb, he’s got a short week to prepare, but I think he has to be the guy the rest of the year.

I’m just not sure how McNabb can stay in Philly now unless Reid goes. (And of Reid or McNabb, I’d take McNabb and a new coach).

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 24, 2008 9:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

bright side

look at atlanta/baltimore, im sure a lot of people were cursing the ravens last yr saying how their D would be retired by the time they had a shot at winning again. the eagles could easily turn this thing around. Rebuilding isnt the worst thing. I think most of us here agree our defense is middle of the pack but has upside to it. our offense needs a total overhaul which starts with reid and his terrible playcalling. Why the hell did reid not dress a 3rd RB but he dresses 5! WR

all in all, a bad time to be an eagles fan but this was a long time coming, the garcia run was a mirage and last yr was solely b/c of westbrook and his playmaking.

Who must go: Reggie Brown, LJ, Tra Thomas (retire), Runyan (retire), Greg lewis, McNabb, Lito, Dawkins (retire)

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by kily2008 on Nov 24, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Remember, the game was still close at the time...

…Maybe Reid was worried that it would go into OVERTIME. :)

by robert ethan on Nov 24, 2008 5:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mcnabb and Kolb

Did anyone hear the rumor that Mcnabb and Kolb are gay lovers?

by RayLewisForPresident on Nov 25, 2008 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Dominate

Robert Ethan- you are an idiot- The game was a blowout- you must be smoking crack if you think that the game was anything but

by RayLewisForPresident on Nov 25, 2008 8:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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