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Two Directions

The Eagles are at a fork in the road.

 

They are in last place in the division.  But they are also +71 in point differential (Points for minus points against), which is 3rd in the league.

 

Obviously in general, the more points you score, and the fewer points you allow, the more games you will eventually win.

 

The 2007 Eagles, who had a +36 point differential, are the only team to end the year in 4th place in the division and have a positive point differential since the realignment of 2002.  The 2007 Texans finished -5 with a 4th place record, the 2006 Dolphins were -23 and in 4th, the 2005 Packers were -46 and in 4th, the 2004 Bucs were -3 and in 4th, the 2003 Bills were -16 and in 4th, the 2002 Bills were -18 and in 4th.   Those were the best 4th place teams in each of the past years. The vast majority of 4th place teams were really bad teams and finished closer to -100 in point differential.

 

The 2007 Eagles, with that flukey scoring record of +36 and 8-8 win-loss record, were 11th in the league in scoring differential.

 

This suggests strongly that one of two things is going to happen.  Either the Eagles are going to start losing a lot of games by more than a few points and so end up with a negative point differential, or they are going to start winning a lot of games and justifying their scoring record in the win column.

 

Frankly, I can't think of any teams that have gone from so high up in point differential so late in the season to a total collapse.  Even the infamous 1994 Eagles were just +42 after 10 games (with a 7-3 record), and +61 after 9 games with a 7-2 record.  So we are talking a more epic collapse than the brutal 1994 collapse.  On the other hand, the 2006 Eagles were +70 and 5-4 after 9 games.  They finished 10-6 of course, including overcoming the McNabb injury, and kept their +70 after overcoming the 42 point loss margin to the Titans and Colts in Weeks 11 and 12.

 

The other thing is the Eagles are on track to score well over 400 points.  The most mediocre 400 points teams of recent times by record were:

2007 Cardinals, at 402 points (+5 point differential) and an 8-8 record

2004 Vikings at 405 points  (+10 point differential) and an 8-8 record

2004 Chiefs at 483 points (+48 point differential) and a 7-9 record

2002 Chiefs at 467 points (+68 point differential) and a 8-8 record

1999 Panthers at  421 points (+40 point differential) and an 8-8 record

1995 Vikings at 412 points (+27 point differential) and an 8-8 record

 

No team has scored over 400 points and ended up with a negative point differential.  And the 2004 Chiefs are the only ones to ever score over 400 points and not win 8 games.

 

For the Eagles to end up like those teams at around 8-8, 400+ points scored, with a +10 to +40 point differential, we'd have to finish up 3-3, score 140+ points on offense, and allow 170+ points on defense.  In other words, we'd have to watch offensive production drop by up to 3 points per game, and watch the defense start to give up at least 9 more points per game, going from 19 points per game to a minimum of 28 points per game and possibly as many as 34 points per game.

 

Does anyone here foresee the defense collapsing like this?  Or the offense regressing?  Its actually been going the opposite way.

 

First 5 games, offense 25.4 points per game, defense 19.4 points per game.  Last five games, offense 27.4 points per game, defense 19.2 points per game.  Anyone besides me want to hazard a guess that the next 5 games will see the Eagles score at least 26+ points per game on offense and allow 19 points per game on defense?  And won't that probably mean we are going to have a winning record over those 5 games?  It would be hard to lose 3 or 4 games and still come out with a +35 or more additional scoring differential.  We did go 2-3 to start the season, and +30 in scoring thanks to playing the Rams, but there aren't anymore Rams on our schedule.

 

So we are either in for one of the most epic collapses in the history of the NFL, a collapse that will involve the entire team - offense and defense, or much more likely I think, a great comeback year like 2006, 2003, 2000, 1991, 1989, 1988, and 1979.

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andrew b ? ? worst season/ best season

i have a question for you [bleeding green stat machine] what is the worst season the EAGLES have had , and the best season the EAGLES have had stat wise/ wins -loses ??? just curious iam honestly not sure , have we ever won every game or lost every game or …. anyhow this worst season/ best season question thing is driving me nuts somebody asks me this today and i didnt have a answer for them ?? answer please ..

i was about to jump off of wachovia center but one of akers’ kicks smacked me right in the face and knocked me backwards…

by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 18, 2008 2:49 AM EST   0 recs

Modern era only:
By record, best season – 2004 13-3

By record worst season 16 game – 1998 3-13
By record worst season 14 game – 1972 2-11-1 and 1968 2-12
The later two teams were definitely worse than the 1998 team. The 1998 team had a reasonably good defense and an historical level black hole of suckitude on offense. The 1968 and 1972 teams were just two of the all-around worst teams ever fielded by an NFL franchise.

By stats, overall best seasons – 1980, 2002, 2004
1980 – 384 points for, 202 points against
2002 – 415 points for, 241 points against
2004 – 386 points for, 260 points against
2004 first 14 games projected to 16 games – 422 points for, 231 points against

Best overall offensive season – 2006. 6103 yards, 398 points, 6.2 yards per play

Best overall defensive season – 1991. 3549 yards allowed, 244 points (the offense gave up 2 interception TD’s, 1 fumble TD, and a safety, to say nothing of short field from turnovers leading to scores), 3.9 yards per play. The 1991 defense was the greatest defense of the 16 game era, and possibly of the 14 and 16 game eras (some might argue for the 1974 Steelers or the 1977 Falcons). Its the only 16 game era team to hold opponents to less than 3800 total yards.

Worst overall offensive season – 1998. 4188 yards, 161 points. Very close second and third, 1972, 3463 yards 145 points in 14 games, 1976, 3572 yards, 165 points in 14 games. All three teams rival all-time all-world bad offenses like the 1991 Colts and the 1990 Patriots (two 1-15 teams), and the infamous 1976 Bucs (0-14).

Worst overall defensive season – actually the Eagles have never had a really, really bad defensive season. 2005, 1999, 1988, 1987, 1973 were all really bad, but not terrible. An Eagles defense has never surrendered over 390 points or over 5800 yards.

by Andrew B on Nov 18, 2008 1:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That '91 D

man
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the front 4 were Clyde Simmons, Mike Pitts, Jerome Brown, and Reggie White with Mike Golic rotating in with Pitts and Brown. Andre Waters wore #20, Wes Hopkins (right?), Eric Allen was a great corner on one side, I can’t remember the other. Seth Joyner…
The best D to ever take the field…

by cavortingEagle on Nov 18, 2008 1:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yep.

I remember almost crying when Jerome Brown was killed in the spring of 1992, knowing that our Super Bowl hopes had just been dashed by taking out the heart of the defense (Randall Cunningham had been injured 4 plays into the 1991 season). It was just so fucking unfair. But that’s Philadelphia, no? Anytime that silver linging starts to appear, the dark cloud comes along to obscure it.

by Andrew B on Nov 18, 2008 1:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

thanks andrew

i was about to jump off of wachovia center but one of akers’ kicks smacked me right in the face and knocked me backwards…

by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 18, 2008 5:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

best season was 2004

we got off to a 7-0 start for the first time in franchise history…and finished 13-3..would have been 15-1 if we played our starters the last two games….

2004, superbowl season – was eagles best season…

worst season was probably 1998 when we went 3-13 - i think that’s the worst season since the NFL went to 16 game format…

by damonmoore43 on Nov 18, 2008 10:14 AM EST   0 recs

Fantastic post as always man

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Nov 18, 2008 11:31 AM EST   0 recs

These numbers are comforting, but I can’t shake the sense of trepidation about this team. I just don’t trust them.

by cavortingEagle on Nov 18, 2008 12:01 PM EST   0 recs

I'm with you on the trepidation

I know what the team should do, and then I watch them lose games where they can’t move the ball one yard in 4 plays to win the game.

by Andrew B on Nov 18, 2008 12:32 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That’s the frustration. I think we all know what they should do…

by JasonB on Nov 18, 2008 1:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn’t say this is the worst Eagles team ever, not by a long shot. But because there’s such positive statistical markers for them, and because we’ve all seen flashes of brilliance on both sides of the ball, it’s definately the most frustrating and confusing, in my opinion, Eagles team that I can remember watching.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 18, 2008 1:53 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

all these stats are useless.

Bottom line is that we have no running game, terrible hurry up offense, poor clock management, and a huge inability to sustain drive. It’s either we have huge plays or 3 and out.

Here’s the only stat that matters: 5-4-1 , 0-3 in the division and last place in the division.

You can crunch every stat out there and make us sound like a SB team, but we’re far from it. The last two weeks has shown us we’re not even a playoff team.

by Joe_D on Nov 18, 2008 1:04 PM EST   0 recs

Well, I’m just trying to point out to you how things work out over a 16 game season.

So you are going with the “team will go on an epic collapse the last six weeks” line of thinking. I can’t refute that before the games are played. Its entirely possible we go into a tailspin and collapse rivalling 1994.

If that happens, Andy Reid might very well get fired.

The worst record with a positive point differential was the 2001 Chargers – 5-11 with +11 points. For the Eagles to match that, they’d need to lose the next 6 games by an average of 10 points. There were also the 1990 Chargers who went 6-10 with +34 points and 1990 Vikings who went 6-10 with +25 points.

To match any of those scenarios, the Eagles would need to start losing 5 or 6 games by 10+ points each when they haven’t lost by more than 6 points all season. That’s the part that makes it hard to believe they are going to collapse.

Bascially, the Eagles are a better team than their record, and usually when that happens midseason, the record evens out to the overall level of play.

by Andrew B on Nov 18, 2008 1:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

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