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Eagles lose to Giants 36-31

There's moral victories at this point in the season. We had a shot to win a game we probably shouldn't have been in... but who really cares? We needed a win tonight and didn't get it.

Headline time.

Not putting the ball in McNabb's hands = Inexcusable

John Madden put it best. The Eagles offense is McNabb throwing the ball. The Eagles offense is not the power run game. So for Reid to call two run plays with the game on the line and not put the ball in the hands of his QB to win it is inexcusable. For better or worse passing is who we are. To not put the game in the hands of Donovan McNabb on those last two plays was unbelievable. He started the game of wild as he is sometimes known to do... but by the end he had the hot hand. To not put the ball in the hands not just of your franchise player, your leader on offense, but the guy that happened to have the hot hand is unbelievable. "Unbelievable," I used that word quite a bit tonight. Among other words....

When you don't bother to establish a run game all game long how can you possibly expect to win the game running the ball?

A few telling numbers

219. That's the number of rushing yards the Eagles gave up tonight. Tough to win games in this league when you give up 219 yards rushing.

3. The number of times the Giants were forced to punt. Tough to win games in this league where you only force the opponent to punt three times.

7 for 15. That was the Giants' 3rd down efficiency. When take into account the fact that two of those failed 3rd downs became field goals and one was converted on 4th down.... it looks even worse. Tough to win... well, you get the pattern.

Bottom line is that the defense got rolled. Could the offense have not had a few key 3 and outs? Absolutely. That didn't help at all... but the fact is that you can't blame the poor job agianst the run tonight on the defense being tired. They got run over early in the game when they were fresh...

The weakness against the run is easy to see

We saw the same problems tonight as we did against teams like Washington and San Fran. When teams run to the edges on us they beat us. I saw a stat tonight that said the Giants averaged over 6 yards a carry running off either edge, but averaged less than 3 running up the middle. We've seen this problem all year. Generally, Bradley and the two DTs do a solid job of absorbing runs up the gut, but the defense ends and outside linebackers routintely get sealed off on runs to the edge.

Perhaps... just perhaps, maybe asking smaller faster DEs to routinely get off blocks to stop the run is unwise? Just a thought.

The one man who can shut down Brian Westbrook

His name is Andy Reid. The announcers tonight kept going on about how the Giants "shut down" Brian Westbrook. Did they do a nice job against when he got the ball? Sure. The fact is however, he was only handed the ball thirteen times. Before the two minute warning of the 4th quarter he'd only run the ball eleven times. Eleven times? How is any running back expected to do anything when he rushes the ball eleven times before the two minute warning?

The reality is...

We're 5-4. That puts us in last place in a division where we've lost three games to all three division rivals. A win tonight would have left us still completely in control of our own destiny... tonight is likely to leave us needing help. To have any chance of winning tiebreakers or getting to that magic 10 win number... we're going to need to win all or most of remaining division games. Two of those three games are on the road, which does no bode well for our chances. At this point, we have to start rooting hard for Dallas and the Redskins to lose bad games from here on out, while in the meantime keeping an eye on teams like Carolina, Tampa, and Atlanta who are in all decent shape for wildcard berths themselves.

Outside of the division, we only have two games left against teams with losing records. One is next week Cincy, the other is at home to Cleveland on December 15th... The road to the playoffs is starting to look very difficult.

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We have a very tough road ahead of us.

Im torn right now … I only have my Phillies to keep me sane at this point … it is a sad day in Eagles country.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Nov 10, 2008 12:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andy was out coached yesterday.

The play calling sucked. Where was Westbrook. I saw no screens to him, but they would run screens to DJax. That is their bread and butter. I guess they miss Andrews on those pulls.

The interior line sucks on those short yardage. On those last 2 runs, you can see some of the Eagles blockers just standing around. I could just smack LJ and Klecko on the last play. Neither could containe their blocks.

WE DESERVED TO LOSE. You can’t expect to beat a good team, when you can’t even stop 1 of their running backs. NY IS MUCH BETTER THAN WE ARE, we need to re-evaluate our personel. Including our fantastick “world beater” LB core, that couldn’t stop the run or cover my grand mom on a slant pattern.

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Nov 10, 2008 8:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NY is better than we are. They won a super bowl and lead the division in a rumaway

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 3:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'phillies high' beginning to deteriorate

i agree. my euphoria over the phils championship is quickly starting to wear off. it was still in full effect last week but another BIG eagles dissapointment is not helping the cause.

by sixrfan on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The coach and GM will pull you through

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 3:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giants fan here

I posted this on the game thread, but that might not get seen, so I wanted to post it here too:

I live in DC, so I’m intimately familiar with both the Giants and the Redskins. You guys are definitely better than the Skins. I really think you’re the 2nd best team in the NFC. This was a tough loss for you, but I can see you going 5-2 the rest of the way and making the playoffs, which is really all that matters (look at us last year). Good luck the rest of the way (except our rematch in the Meadowlands), and please beat out the Cowboys!

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2008 1:08 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amusing, isn't it?

Because at this point all you can do is laugh or cry and I prefer the non-tear approach.

Eagles fans beg and plead for Reid to use Westbrook more often during the first 58 minutes of the game, but at the end of the game when teams traditionally rely on their QB to drive them to victory Reid chooses to hand the ball off to Westbrook.

(Children, hide your eyes and read no further. Foul language ahead.)

Mr. Reid, if Brian Westbrook is the guy you want deciding the game in the final minute, if he’s your playmaker who’ll decide whether the Eagles win or lose the game, then why the fuck aren’t you using him more often during the first 3 quarters?

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Nov 10, 2008 1:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 very good point

i was about to jump off of wachovia center but one of akers’ kicks smacked me right in the face and knocked me backwards…

by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 10, 2008 4:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree, where were the screens, or even the draw plays to slow down the rush of the Giants….I think that would have been a killer if we ran more then one screen and maybe 3 or 4 draw plays. Westbrook was on the field but he was used as a decoy for most of the night. Everyone will agree Westbrook is one of the top 3 players in the NFL…….Coach Reid…use him like a top 3 player please!!!! You keep letting McNabb throw when he’s going 0 for 7….let Westy run, he’ll break one eventually!

by slandog on Nov 10, 2008 11:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perspective, please

We scored 31 points.

The offense, and the use of Westbrook in the offense, wasn’t the cause for the loss.

Its always funny how when the defense coughs up 30+ points in a loss, somehow the team didn’t do enough on offense, but the defense gets a pass.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 6:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed 100%

But still…they have to be able to get 3 yards in two downs. The offense was inconsistent, the defense was largely just bad.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 10, 2008 6:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perspective?

They lost the game as a team. Who gives a rat’s ass if they scored31?
It still shows up in the lost column.

by squeaker on Nov 11, 2008 7:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lost as a team

Reid/McNabb critics are always quick to jump on the Offense when the Defense gives up 30+ points in a close loss.

Why does the defense always get a free ride?

by Andrew B on Nov 11, 2008 12:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because we look for reasons to blame andy

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Nov 11, 2008 1:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harder and harder to defend Reid...

First things first, this is not a “Fire Andy Reid” post. I do have to say that his blind spots are becoming more and more obvious — and tiresome. Why is Greg Lewis EVER on the field on offense? Where’s Reggie Brown? What took so long to give the fade route at the goalline a shot (2 for 2 with two touchdowns, by the way)? Why doesn’t he value linebackers (seriously, at this point are we really to believe Chris Gocong is a legit NFL starter)? What about the mess at fullback this year? Why not work Buck into the screen game more?

The talk of the town since what’s-his-face left town has been how the Eagles need a playmaker at wideout. Since then they’ve made plays for every big name possible (Moss, Boldin, Roy Williams) and in the process landed a legit talent in DJax. Perhaps we’ve been focused on the wrong things.

This loss was a hybrid of the problems from the Chicago and Washington losses — both of those came because the Eagles couldn’t control the line of scrimmage. This team needs to get more physical on both sides of the ball, not score more points.

by Black Market Index on Nov 10, 2008 1:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couldn’t agree with you more

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 3:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Love Andy Reid

I am a Giant fan and I love him. Gnaw on this one. He gave Asante Samuel $32 million guaranteed to come in and be a shutdown corner because he has T.O. and Plaxico in his division. Unfortunately, he has found out that Samuel never was a shutdown corner. He proved that by double covering Burress all night like everyone else does, leaving a maximum of only 7 men in the box. This allowed the Giants to gash their defense for 219 yards rushing, like they have been doing to everyone else.

What a waste of cap space. If he was going to have to double cover Burress anyway, he could have drafted a corner in the fourth round to do that. Could have used that cap space to blow Randy Moss out of the water and had another weapon on the outside to go to when the Giants keyed on everything Westbrook did. The Giants were determined not to let Westbrook beat them and gambled that the Eagles didn’t have enough other weapons to keep up, which they couldn’t.

Reid makes some good moves, but makes too many bad ones for that team to be able to go all the way.

by Be Driven on Nov 10, 2008 3:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He’s a lousy evaluating talent. He’s smarter than anyone who coached, played or watched the sport.

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again, perspective

The problem last night was not the Giants keying on Westbrook. The Eagles offense put up 31 points and was poised to put up more but for what Westbrook could not do.

This loss needs to go squarely on the special teams and defense.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 6:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Believe Me, I Have Perspective

So you believe that if the Eagles had gotten that first down that they would have most certainly driven the rest of the field and put the ball in the end zone? That is giving them a lot of credit, isn’t it? Speaking of that defense, I didn’t see much of Brian Dawkins lined up in the box in run support. I consequently did not see him making plays behind the line of scrimmage, as he is prone to do. Why didn’t I see him doing that? Oh yeah, it is because he was deep in the secondary babysitting Plaxico in over the top bracket coverage with a corner underneath. Why was he doing that? Oh yeah, because the corner that Reid paid 6 years $57 million ($32 million guaranteed) can’t cover Plaxico one-on-one.

BTW: The one area where the Eagles outplayed the Giants in this game was on special teams. Your offense generally had good field position to work with.

by Be Driven on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Covering Plexiglass

Well, clearly, as we’ve seen since 2005, Sheldon Brown cannot cover Plexiglass either. (Sheldon plays right cornerback, and ordinarily covers Plexiglass, who plays split end, i.e. the left wideout.)

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 11:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Special" Teams

They certainly were “Special”, weren’t they? No punt returns for, one 43 yard punt return agains, one fumble on kickoff returns.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 11:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Driving

Yes, I think that had they gotten the first down, they would have scored.

Every drive that had gone over 4 plays for the Eagles had ended in a Touchdown or Field Goal until that last drive, which sputtered with a 5 and out. And the only Field Goal was on a drive that ended the half where the Eagles simply ran out of time.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 11:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Special Teams

I did not say they outplayed the Giants on special teams by much, but they did by a little. They had several good kickoff returns, definitely outgained the Giants in that regard. Again, you are giving them too much credit. The Eagles are 1-7 in their last eight games decided by 7 points or less primarily because of their inability to come from behind in the 4th quarter.

by Be Driven on Nov 10, 2008 11:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey ass hat, you realize we offered Moss more money that what he signed for with the Pats… you’re useless

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Nov 11, 2008 8:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he is a lousy GM and gets outcouched every game.

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Devastating.

It’s 3:24am on Monday morning and I just got back from the game. I’ve attended a lot of very disappointing Eagles losses, and while I don’t think this is the worst, it’s right up there.

I’ll post more tomorrow (today, whatever), but if any of you think this team is still going to make the playoffs, I ask you to please give Mike Patterson his stash back.

C'mon, Andy. I want to riot, too.

by BrianS on Nov 10, 2008 3:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great post JasonB

I have no problem rooting for dallas to lose , ? seriously – why couldnt we stop the run ? seem like our d line was faster than the giants speed kills but it seemed like their line was way bigger than ours almost like we got litttle to no heat on eli – trent cole has a none stop motor, gives his all every down i like his god speed there is no tomorrow playing

i was about to jump off of wachovia center but one of akers’ kicks smacked me right in the face and knocked me backwards…

by EAGLE_MAN71 on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still cant believe we called those two plays...

but i dont think we deserved to win that game anyway

I’m hoping for some kind of regim change at this point…

Billy Penn who?

by 700 Level on Nov 10, 2008 7:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does this remind anyone of

Barry Switzer’s playcalling against you guys years back when he went for it twice. As a cowboys fan when I saw that last night that it brought back flashbacks of that game.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 10, 2008 10:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think this is another we showed up ill – equipped for the season issue. The giants showed last night what a good full back can do for the run game. We have no true full back(well apparently we do but he is doomed to ride special teams the rest of the season). Klecko is not a full back he does not clear room for westy and he is often pushed back into him. hedgecock for the giants may have been the real difference maker for them last night. last year we go in with no returner this year no full back. wonder what position we will decide we can do without next year

by 0sirys on Nov 10, 2008 7:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a good point. For all of the bad play calling, the roster moves are also inexcusable. How did we go into last year so unprepared in the return game? We literally lost a game because of that. We did the same thing with FB this year. Everyone and their mother knew that Tony Hunt was not a FB, nor is Klecko. Allowing us to start the season with no return man or FB is unbelievably irresponsible, and instead of fixing it, they just seem to make it worse.

by captain nodar on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McNabb from ESPN

McNabb didn’t seem to agree with the play calling on Philadelphia’s final two plays.

“I want the ball, but the coaches felt we can run it for the yards,” he said.

by ajay on Nov 10, 2008 9:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then why didnt he change the play? Im not blaming him, I think he played a great game. I just wonder why he didnt change the call. At least on 4th down. You could just see in Westbrooks eyes that he didnt have the confidence he needed. And why should he. He barely touched the ball up that point. I have been resisting jumping on the fire Reid bandwagon but Im looking for a seat on that wagon at this point. Even if we do somehow make the postseason I think everyone here knows Reid will never get us to the promise land. He is a terrible decision maker under pressure!! If we are ever going to make it to that next level its time to start looking for someone else. Thats my opinion.

by EaglesPhan on Nov 10, 2008 9:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1
I agree with looking for a new coach. I hear Bill Cowher might be looking for a job next year, and liked the idea of Steve Spagnuolo coaching for us possibly.

by midnitegreen on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bill cowher is respectable, however he was with the steelers for 18 years and did nothing. if anything he is wrse then andy reid because ne is just a stubern and stuck in his ways and only runs. talk about a wast of McNabb.

and while the idea of spagnuolo is good that first meant no more jim johnson and seconly he wouldnt go head coach a rival team of his right now

by NickPampani on Nov 10, 2008 9:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gocong

Arghhh. What a frustrating game. I know he had that great hit to force the Jacobs fumble, but I think it’s time to see if Joe Mays or Akeem Jordan can give us some production instead of Gocong. He got crushed by Hedgecock repeatedly giving the Giants 6-8 yards off his edge almost every time they ran that way. Even worse, if Hedgecock didn’t have hands of stone, Gocong would have been beaten on that pass play down near the goal line in the first quarter. I don’t know if he had any coverage responsibility on their tight ends or Ward, but those guys teamed up for 10 catches and over 100 yards. Clearly we’d be better off with a backer who plays adequately on 80% of the plays, rather than making the occasional big play. I blame Gocong for Portis running wild in the Skins game too.

by MJW on Nov 10, 2008 9:44 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mcnabb doesnt know how to lead a receiver

you would think by now, after his years in college and the pros, the guy would know how to lead a receiver but, at least to me, it seems like time after time after time, the guy makes the receiver slow down or come back for the ball. this frustrates me to no end! granted it wasnt really the reason they last last night but it doesnt help.

by sixrfan on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

been that way since college

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ve got my own opinions on regime change, which I am not going to get into here right now.

But separate from that, I’m just getting tired of the Reid/McNabb Eagles and their consistent inability to get their heads out of their collective asses since the Superbowl.

Keeping one or both of them around may indeed represent the Eagles’ best chance to turn things around (next year, I mean), but aren’t you just amazed by some of the crazy ways this team finds to lose games?

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 10, 2008 10:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can see the benefit of making McNabb fight for his starting job next year, but I can’t really agree with you about Andy and Mac both needing to go. I’ve never liked Marty (as HC or OC) and I might see the benefit of changeover at the Offensive Coordinator position, perhaps Mark Whipple? Hell he’d throw the ball…

by cavortingEagle on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cavorting, I’ve been strongly leaning toward the “Fire Andy Reid” position, and this game sure didn’t change that, but in this particular post I didn’t mean to go quite that far.

Just meant literally what I said; that most of the last 3 seasons have been pretty rough on the eyes…I don’t know what the answer is or where they go from here (My assumption in saying “here” is that they will indeed finish last in the division for the 3rd time in the 4 years).

I think Reid is basically a good coach — the question is can he turn things around here, or has he done all he can do for this organization and now someone else has to finish it? (Find our “Jon Gruden” to “Andy Reid as Tony Dungy”). I’d be completely willing to sacrifice the long-view to win 1 superbowl in the short-term. (Keep those first round picks, Andy!)

I also think McNabb is a rare talent and probably the most talented QB I’m likely to see the Eagles have in my lifetime (I’m “only” 32).

But — can Reid, or his replacement, turn things around while McNabb is still a viable QB, given his rather grim injury history? Would McNabb’s talent be better served by a new HC or OC?

And, if not, I haven’t seen anything from Kevin Kolb that reassures me that he can be the short-or-long-term answer at QB.

But, as a fan and viewer, I’m almost ready for change for change’s sake…can we get the Franchise “unstuck”, even if it means rebuilding compared to the mire of mediocrity? That’s just the view from my heart — rationally I think sticking with McReid for at least another season is probably the best and most likely option.

Like I said, I’m glad guys who make a lot more dough than me are the ones who have to make this decision.

For starters, though, I would like, (and I said this when Brad Childress left), and offensive coordinator that comes from a different school of thought than Andy Reid. Get ourselves off the Holmgren coaching tree and try something different., or at least have some fresh ideas from the coaching staff. I feel like it doesn’t matter whether Andy or Marty (or Brad was) is calling the plays, because they share a brain.

If that new blood is Mark Whipple, fine by me.

I don’t know the answers to the questions surrounding this team, but I think their results over the last 3 seasons have gotten Eagles Nation to a point where those questions are no longer ridiculous to ask.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 10, 2008 12:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

time to let both go

by squeaker on Nov 10, 2008 4:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pathetic

That was awful.
I need to go on record and say that we need to abandon the run.
We can’t do it. Just can’t.
Why bother?

This game was 36-31, but it wasn’t that close, it was a good old fashioned ass whippin’.

by cavortingEagle on Nov 10, 2008 10:18 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree. We got completely pwnd on both sides of the line of scrimmage. I think the talent (and dare I say coaching) gap between the two teams is much wider than the final score indicated.

Compare Jacobs’ last TD run, where their whole O-line got six yards deep into the end-zone, to the Eagles not being able to get 3 yards on the ground in 2 plays. Pathetic.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 10, 2008 10:21 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As a Seahawks fan I know what you're going through

I picked the Eagles to win this division and now they’re playing for the Wild Card.

The game has passed Andy Reid and Mike Holmgren. Each coach in successive seasons lost a Super Bowl due to poor clock management, awful playcalling, and ignoring their best weapons (Westbrook and Alexander) in crucial moments of the game.

Why do you think the Wildcat works? Why do you think teams that have no trick plays in their book end up getting eaten up because of predictable playcalling? Teams get wise eventually, and Reid and Holmgren don’t realize it, creativity is EVERYTHING now!

Reid has lost 3 games alone this season because of pathetic playcalling in the clutch, and I want him and Holmgren gone at the end of the season.

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 10:42 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A couple of comments

More rushes?

Brian Westbrook was something like 13 rushes for 26 yards. The obvious excuse for not giving him the ball more was that he was doing nothing with it. I believe he was playing injured and thus not particularly effective. Other rushers seemed to have no problem running against the Giants – Buckhalter, McNabb, and DJax all did fine with rushing opportunities.

Game-turning play?

The bogus facemask penalty in the 3rd quarter with 3:19 left on 3rd down on Stewart Bradley for clotheslining Brandon Jacobs and then grasping his shoulder pad. The only thing that touched Jacobs facemask was Stewart’s forearm. If that drive failed, instead of converted for 3, we’d be behind 2 points at the end of the game instead of 5, so we’d only need a field goal and could call different plays.

Biggest mistake of the game?

Making the focus of the gameplan stopping Burress by doubling him all game long. In my view, the only hope for winning the game was stopping the rush and forcing Eli to win the game, which would have led to more turnovers and more sacks. That mean’s 8 men in the box and playing Cover 1 or Cover 0 against Burress. I’m willing to trade a 100 yard 2 touchdown game from Burress for the 100 yard 2 touchdown game Jacobs got, because as we saw, while Jacobs will fumble often, its easier to get interceptions than fumble recoveries. We forced 3 fumbles and only recovered 1, plus we forced another fumble on the goal line that was questionably called a touchdown.

Reaction?

Ironically, over at Footballoutsiders this game will again show the Eagles as a very strong team. The Giants wideouts were shutdown, we gave up no sacks, we didn’t fumble, we scored TD’s in the redzone other than the completion of the 2 minute drill where we only had one redzone play to try, we had great kickoff returns other than the Demps fumble. The Eagles out punted and out kicked the Giants. The Giants fumbled, got sacked, took 4 tackles for a loss, were forced into 3 short field goals, couldn’t return kicks well. The Eagles outgained the Giants rushing per rush, and outgained the Giants per play. The Giants, however, got 20 more plays because the Eagles were abysmal on 3rd down on both sides of the ball.

Ultimate direct cause of the loss? Special teams.

1) The Demps fumble on a kickoff return.
2) The 43 yard Hixon punt return.

  1. lead to a gift of 3 points.
  2. lead to a gift of 3, 4, or even 7 points.

That was the margin of the victory.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Andrew

You should really post your comments as fan posts – you really bring it.
Thanks for making me feel a touch better about the bludgeoning we took last night.

The Giants almost ran the clock out on themselves – no? That’s why this game feels like such a beat-down, Giants 39+ minutes TOP.

by cavortingEagle on Nov 10, 2008 10:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Running out the clock

Had the Eagles converted on their last drive and gone on to win, I would have said yes, they ran out the clock on themselves.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 6:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Andrew, I agree. I often disagree with you, but the level of information you bring here is 2nd to none.

I thought just watching the game that the talent gaps between the teams was larger than the final score indicated, basically because how they dominated both sides of the line of scrimmage and the Eagles’ struggles on 3rd down on both sides of the ball.

I don’t know that the Football Outsiders’ stuff makes me feel any better, though. Instead of an under-talented team, we’ve got a team that seems to be consistently under-performing its talent level. If this is luck, or some statistical anomaly, wouldn’t you think we’d see some sort of regression to the mean/evening out of luck at some point? It seems like this “sloppiness” or playing beneath their talent level is an intrinsic flaw to the 2008 Eagles.

Again, thanks — great stuff.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Nov 10, 2008 12:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe D, do you want all of SB Nation to pat you on the back for saying this team isn't great?

And are you the same Joe D at Awful Announcing making stupid circle jerk comments about us and the aptly named Gus Johnson?

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 4:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Long term

The Eagles outperformed objective ability from 2000 to 2004 as measured by the Footballoutsiders or as measured by expected wins dictated by the Pythagorean scoring theorem. They got more lucky breaks and won more games.

The Eagles since 2005 have consistently underperformed. We’ve seen numerous games where we lose on a final field goal either with the other team making it, or us blowing it. We’ve lost on dumb fumble recovery luck. We’ve lost on the goal line when we couldn’t punch it in.

Right now, the Eagles have a net of 71 more points scored than allowed.

THAT IS #3 IN THE NFL BEHIND THE GIANTS (102 NET POINTS) AND TITANS (103 NET POINTS).

So in terms of overall on-field production, the Eagles are the #3 team in football. We’ve unfortunately lost 4 games by 19 points and won 5 games by 90. Our predicted win-loss record should be 6-3 or 7-2 (Pythagorean Wins are 6.19). The Redskins are a net of 3 points, and the Cowboys are a net of -3 points. Over a whole season, these type of things usually even themselves out. Lets give it another 7 games before we fire the coach and trade the whole team.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 7:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

andrew

read my posts we used the same stuff and feel the same way. people need to grow up and learn how to handle adversity

by NickPampani on Nov 10, 2008 7:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

change your name

to OptimusPrime. Talk about finding a silver lining. Reading your comment makes it sound like we got dominated.

When your wideout and QB are outrushing the RB it means, your reduced to trick plays our srambles which means everyone else is doing their job. The only place you guys outperformed us was in special teams. THATS IT. McNabb avoided about 5 sacks last night with his feet, much like Romo has in the past, he bought enough time.

by ProudYankee on Nov 10, 2008 4:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trcik plays?

End Arounds and Quarterback Draws are not trick plays.

The Wildcat was pretty sweet though.

by Andrew B on Nov 10, 2008 8:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

end of the game

What was the deal there, with about 20 seconds left before the 2:00 warning they let the clock run out. What the hell. The announcers said that McNabb was tired because he just ran the ball. Big deal get one more play in and then you can rest a few minutes during the warning…..poor game management. And what about the first chanlenge that was another stupid decision in my opinion.

This year is already almost over for the Eagles!

by slandog on Nov 10, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MCNABB

BLOWS IN THE CLUTCH, REMEMBER THE SUPER BOWL CHOKE JOB WHEN HE WAS GASPING FOR AIR AND LOST HIS TEAM IN THE HUDDLE? I MENTIONED IT EARLIER LAST WEEK, AND AL MICHAELS MENTIONED IT LAST NIGHT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. SORRY. IT FEELS GOOD.

by ProudYankee on Nov 10, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha,

What can I say, I am still high off the parade. I’ll give the birds a pass this year.

Philles (80 & 08)
Team of Destiny!

by yophillybro on Nov 11, 2008 8:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

proud yankee

wow you definitely have a blow out hair cut and at least three pairs of huge sunglasses…what an educated opinion you have given. McNabb is a good man..and you are…aproudyankee?
your done

Its not about wins and loses we have dominated the NFC east for a lonnnng time.. and everything and evreysport goes in cycles…everyone take it easy…were just fans…no matter what anybody says on here….banner and reid will not read it and say “wow they are so right!”

take it easy guys….we have a talented team we obviously could be better but just enjoy the game for what its worth

by Dnabb05 on Nov 10, 2008 5:02 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If your gunna

try and stereotype me, please be a little more creative. And if your upset over me calling McGag a bum, defend him. State something that defends him. B/c the wins don’t lie. Eli has a team. McGag has Westbrook. And I am a ProudYankee. Always will be. Your a McGag fan, guess what buddy he’s gone in 4 yrs. prob. w/o a ring. At least I’m a fan of a team not of a player.

by ProudYankee on Nov 10, 2008 8:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stereotype? If you wish, you greasy meatball motherfucker. Quit your whining and your fucking nagging. Why don’t you go get yourself a glass of wooder and pop a few pills to calm down. Or better yet, why don’t you go down to the corner to get yourself a nice cup of "The World’s Best Cup of Coffee"… I hear you shit infested city is full of places that lay that claim. So, take twenty to thirty five minutes, dump a bottle of two of gel into your hair and make sure your throw on your best prissy hipster bullshit ensemble from your wardrobe and run out the door. Hopefully for your sake you won’t be run over by some shitstain cab driver who may or may not be here legally, but most definitely doesn’t speak English.

The only two types of New Yorkers I’ve ever met/heard of are uneducated, greasy, dirty, poor, low excuses for humans or haughty douchetard yuppie hipster pricks. I’m assuming you’re of the first variety. By the way, which local neighbor are you stealing your internet access from you fucking thief? Please God tell me that you have yet to reproduce. If there’s one thing this world could use less of, it’s your government assisted, thieving, high school dropout fucking brood polluting the global gene pool. You’re the type of person who wants thinks that it’s funny when their kids do the same stupid shit you did and grow up to be useless cogs in society. You’re excuse is, "Huh, huh, huh. I did it too, and it was funny…" I’m the type of person who thinks it’s funny when my kids grow up to be wealthy, powerful individuals who don’t do a whole lot of work and supervise your kids who are stuck working 60 hours a week doing manual labor for minimum wage because their a complete waste of human flesh. That’s what I find funny.

I love how you assfisting fans only come around for the season or two when your team is doing something besides dwelling in the basement. Want to guess how often we heard from you even as recent as last September when Elisha (see I can make a funny name for your QB too… ha ha ha) was raining picks down like gifts from above? Never!

By the way, shouldn’t you be getting back to work now? All of that gum isn’t going to scrape itself off the bottoms of those third graders’ desks…

World F*ckin' Champions, indeed...

by foos05 on Nov 11, 2008 9:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim Johnson

Everyone is ready to fire Reid, and why not, he is the head coach. However, this loss wasn’t created on that failed 4th and 1 running play. However, our defense that is crafted by master blitzer Jim Johnson always gives up a 3rd and long situation (7+ yds to go). I mean, every time we have a team in that situation after two great defensive plays, it always seems that a team knows it will get a first down. Our defense is just as predictable if not more than our offense. Everytime we have a team in 3rd and long I am cringing rather than celebrating a coming stop. Teams in the NFC, particularly in our division seem to know what play is coming every time.

It is beyond ridiculous what is going on especially on defense. The philosophy of having small but quick defensive ends isn’t working, especially when teams run on the edge. And when we blitz teams now know what type/kind and where it is coming from, it doesn’t fool anyone anymore. And why in the hell is Dawkins one-on-one with a WR? Manning was licking his chops when he saw the same exact formation that we tried on the Cowboys/TO and what happened? Dawkins, who is a safety and not a cover guy, got burned AGAIN. WTF?

I have turned. I sold my soul to Reid/McNabb but it is over. Our window closed and we need to start over. I think there is a good core of young players and we need to finish the season no matter what and begin rebuilding. We beat the teams we are supposed to beat and lose to the ones who are even or superior in talent. The team doesn’t seem to play with emotion anymore. It is time!

by Kwasi23 on Nov 10, 2008 5:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McNabb is not the problem

TRENT DILFER WON A SUPERBOWL

STOP it people WOW

Mcnabb is clearly won of our best players….

Fire Reid
kick him punch him
whatever

but if you think this is Mcnabbs fault you are very dumb

Rex grossman took the bears to a NFC championship…i think Mcnabb is just fine

wow…whats wrong with you people

we have no run game and we cant stop the run …there done end of the blog

by Dnabb05 on Nov 10, 2008 5:39 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im disappointed as an Eagle fan.
I blame the coaches for all these close games the Birds seem to be loosing. I dont even wanan talk about the playcalling because we all know…im a little more concerned at his knowldege. Who the heck makes those kind of challenges? Who are these people in the press box telling him to make these ridiculous challenges Man, Ill do it for dirt cheap!!! cause whoever they got now…they dumb.
The management takes waaay to much blame. To my knowledge, Eagles tried to get Randy Moss in the offseason and with this kind of weapon bringing so much attention to the WR spot, it only makes every player better (ask Wes Welker whom seems to have carrer years ONLY DUE to the attention Randy brings). Eagles have allowed too many times to pass on players during the drafts thinking they have the players to succeeed now, and they cleral do not.
I read lots of people saying the Birds hung in there, but from start to finish…Giants dominated. The score is very misleading. Giants can run the ball on 3rd and 4th and 1, wheras the Eagles cannot. point blank. But andy for some reason is the only one that doesnt know Eagles have no power running game.
If Dmac had a decent WR to go along wit DJack, this team would be serious contenders, all they appear now are prenteders whom cant win any big games.

by Bugzy on Nov 10, 2008 7:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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