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Eagles lose 23 - 17

In a year where in all likelihood a team will have to be at least 10-6 to make the postseason in the NFC, the Eagles already have 3 losses and lose pretty much every conceivable tiebreaker. They've put themselves squarely behind the 8 ball with this home loss and kicked off their first losing streak of the year.

Onto headlines.

A game of 3 downs...

There's one very simple stat decided this game. 3rd down efficiency. The Redskins executed on third down, the Eagles didn't. Washington was an astonishing 11 for 19 on 3rd downs and frankly that stat doesn't even do them justice. If you take into account the fact that the Skins kicked 3 FGs and converted a 4th down... the Eagles actually only stopped them 4 times all game. That's simply not good enough.

It's not as if the Redskins offense was gashing us or racking up big plays one after the other... It was methodical. Four, Five yards at a time inching down the field 3 downs at a time. In fact, they averaged less yards per play than the Eagles did! Not flashy, but incredibly efficient and mistake free. In short, they were everything the Eagles offense wasn't.

The Eagles offense went a pathetic 5 of 12 on third down. The Redskins clearly came out with a concise game plan on offense and exectuted. I simply can't say the same about our team. Can anyone tell me what the Eagles game plan was? Despite the fact that the Skins defense created almost no pressure on McNabb and they were missing their best cover guy I don't remember us testing them deep once. I'm not sure whether Westbrook's injury is what held him to just 12 carries, but it's not as if there was any commitment to the run otherwise with Buckhalter carrying the ball just twice. What was the plan? What were they trying to do? It's a mystery.

A game of two kickers

Suisham - 3 for 3 with kicks of 41, 48, 50.

Akers - 1 for 2 with a 23 yd kick made and a 50 yarder missed.

It's not a statistical anomaly. Akers is done and has been for several years. That was not a speculative kick he missed yesterday. There was no wind, he was at home, it was a beautiful day... and he missed it bad.

Again I ask why no one on the Eagles has had the same thought I had last week? Why are we kicking a FG on 4th and 5 from around the 32? Akers simply can't make those kicks anymore. That's painfully obvious. Why are we not going for it there and at worst probably just giving the ball back at the 30 or 32 rather than at the 40 after a missed Akers kick? Surely the offense has a better shot at getting 5 yards there than Akers has kicking a 50 yard FG?

A game of one possession

This possession certainly didn't decide the game but it encapsulated it rather well. With just under two minutes(1:53 I think) left the Eagles offense had first and ten on their 40 yard line. They go a quick a 3 and out which allows the Redskins plenty of time to march down the field for a FG before the half. They have first and ten from the 40 with the less than 2 minutes left and the result is 3 points for the other team? That's an absolute embarassment!

Eagles fans did cheer loudly as the clock ran out...

But it wasn't for the Eagles. In an almost bizarre symmetry, just as the final kneeldown was taken to end the Eagles game Brad Lidge induced a ground ball to send the Phillies into the NLCS. By that time, many fans in the section I was in had left their seats and were huddled around the one TV on the club level that was showing the Phils game. I think the fact that the Eagles had just been so poor really made the moment in the Phils game that much sweeter.

The Eagles rarely showed the Phillies score, I remember it once or twice being shown on the out of town scoreboard. So most of the news from the Phils game was being relayed by people in different sections listening to the game on headphones. By the time the 3rd quarter was ending, there were "Lets Go Phillies" chants filling up Lincoln Financial Field. When was the last time that has ever happened? We've all been to Phils games were E-A-G-L-E-S chants broke out... but this is the first time in my memory that the opposite has been true.

I wonder if those chants drifted up to the owners box? For the first time since Jeff Luris has owned this team, it could very well be true that he no longer owns the top act in town. At least not at this moment.

One final thing

I'd kill to find out what play Andy called on that 3rd and less than a yard near the goal line that McNabb audibled out of. Reid didn't even look at McNabb when he walked back to the sideline after that.

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This is where i place the blame for the loss

1) Andy

2) The drops. Anyone have a stat for how many 1st downs were dropped?

"Watching Big Ben kiss the canvas nine times in Philly was like watching a guy fighting a school of sharks -- with everyone rooting for the sharks."

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2008 8:24 AM EDT   0 recs

i agree and i can think of 4 critical drops off the top of my head one by brown one by celek and 2 by g lew.

by 0sirys on Oct 6, 2008 10:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry for the double post

But i dont think i remember there ever being this much parody in the NFL.

The skins looked like one of the worst teams in football in the preseason and week 1.

Now u could make a case for them being the 1 or 2 in this division.

I still think the Eagles will right the ship and make the playoffs, but for some reason, like 2006 we insist on making life as tough as possible

"Watching Big Ben kiss the canvas nine times in Philly was like watching a guy fighting a school of sharks -- with everyone rooting for the sharks."

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2008 8:28 AM EDT   0 recs

I don’t see them making the playoffs. It’ll take a monumental choke by someone else in the division, and, oh yeah, we’re the team that usually chokes.

The skins are definately better than the Eagles. Dallas is definately better than the Eagles. But in both of those games, the Eagles had great chances to win the games and couldn’t finish.

I’m sick of the sloppy, inconsistent play year after year. I’m sick of the shitty clock management and saying he’s going to get his players in a better position but never actually doing it. One week, the team looks great (but it’s the Rams, dude!), the next couple weeks, they can’t get their heads out of their own asses. Ever since the Superbowl, the Eagles have been mediocre at best, with the 2006 season teasing us that they were close to contention again. And it happened in 2006, too. The mid-season stretch where they just looked absolutely awful. Yes, they rebounded, but maybe that stretch was the difference between playing the Saints at home and in New Orleans.

I’ve swung completely to the negadelphia side of things, and I obviously want Reid to be fired. I don’t think he will be, but I do hope he’s at least “on the hot seat” when they miss the playoffs again.

The bottom line is the team isn’t that good. A huge portion of that falls on the coach and GM, who are both Andy Reid.

Fire Andy Reid.

by BrianS on Oct 6, 2008 8:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes. The NFL is one big parody. The Eagles especially. They are a parody of a good football team that actually completely sucks.

Oh, wait, you mean “parity.” My bad.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 6, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but the truth is

We’re also not that far away either

"Watching Big Ben kiss the canvas nine times in Philly was like watching a guy fighting a school of sharks -- with everyone rooting for the sharks."

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2008 9:05 AM EDT   0 recs

“I have to put (the players) into the right positions to make plays,” Reid said. “We just have to keep working. That’s the only thing you can do.”

No shit, Shirley!

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Oct 6, 2008 9:13 AM EDT   0 recs

We’ve heard those lines a billion times.

by JasonB on Oct 6, 2008 9:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

btw we lost 23-17, not 23-7

its bad enough as it is

"Watching Big Ben kiss the canvas nine times in Philly was like watching a guy fighting a school of sharks -- with everyone rooting for the sharks."

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2008 9:21 AM EDT   0 recs

might as well have been 23 – 7… I think I’ll be watching the Phils on the tube on Sunday and sporting my Utley jersey… I’d rather do that than watching this fucking train wreck anymore…

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would rather be blown out 3 games than lose 3 games by one play.

This team is cursed, I am ever so sadden. Now I have to spend time with my wife on Sundays. Who knows, the mall may become an option soon. Help me Andy, Help me.

DALLAS SUCKS!!!

by yophillybro on Oct 6, 2008 10:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yo bro where the hell have u been?

by Remis on Oct 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The PR - TD shouldn't have counted...

and I don’t think an akers FG from inside 30 should count either

by cavortingEagle on Oct 6, 2008 11:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On that Akers kick… I got a bit annoyed to see Akers do his little pointing celebration after hitting a 28 yard FG. I think the crowd did too. They booed rather loudly after that one.

by JasonB on Oct 6, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he’s gonna get jacked by a D battery

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Linebacking woes

Did anybody else notice how bad our linebackers, especially Gocong were yesterday. Withe the Redskins doing a good job getting a push on our D-line, it was imperative that the linebackers step up. They didn’t. Gocong didn’t shed a block all day, and got knocked to the ground by Santana Moss! Cooley absolutely destroyed him on one of Portis’s big runs. Bradley has tremendous upside, and he made a lot of tackles yesterday, but he looked lost a lot of the time, and Gaither is just adequate. I know it’s fashionable to gush about the youth and upside of this group, but the reason we are vulnerable to tight ends and screen passes is that this group just doesn’t have any cover skills, and while they tackle well on running plays into the line, they are merely adequate at open field tackling. We need at least one linebacker who can play in space and be effective against a tight end or the short passing game. This is especially true because Dawkins and Mikell (who has been great in every other aspect of the game), are not good at coverage either. To me Gocong is the most likely candidate for replacement. He’s basically an undersized defensive end trying to play linebacker. He might be effective as a situational blitzer, but whenever he drops back we are vulnerable. Virtually the only time I ever see him in a play, he’s running into the back of a pile after the play is over.

by MJW on Oct 6, 2008 10:07 AM EDT   0 recs

The seal blocks on those outside runs were fantastic. You could say the game was won with little else.

Especially the left side. The Redskins were guaranteed at least 5 yards whenever they ran off the left side.

by JasonB on Oct 6, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh.. BTW… paging Chris Clemons…. paging Chris Clemons… WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU?

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 10:22 AM EDT   0 recs

Fire Andy the coach, keep Andy the GM?

Some people have said the Eagles need to remove one of Andy’s roles so Andy doesn’t have too much on his plate. Usually they say remove his GM status, because the team doesn’t draft well enough.

I say do the opposite.

Andy is getting the job done as GM: this team is talented.

Andy isn’t getting the job done as coach: they lose close games, are predictable once the opposing coaches see the gameplan on the first few possessions, and they don’t use players in their best roles.

Their problems are all coaching issues.

by Behan01 on Oct 6, 2008 11:04 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree to an extent. If we had to keep Reid in one of his 2 roles, I’d rather he be the GM.

But, on the other hand — he beat bad Cowboy, Redskin, and Giant teams pretty routinely up until 2004.

I don’t think I’m going out on a limb to say that those teams have gotten more talented whereas the Eagles have treaded water or fallen backwards.

On his watch as GM, the rest of the division caught up to and seems to have passed him. Let’s get rid of him altogether. He’s got 2 roles. He’s good at both, I don’t see him as being great at either.

For the record, I don’t think he’s a terrible coach. He’s certainly (damning with faint praise) the best Eagles coach since Vermeil and you can argue that he’s better as coach of the Eagles than Vermeil. He’s just done all he can do for this organization. Let him re-build another bad team, and let the Eagles find the guy that can be the John Gruden to Andy Reid’s Tony Dungy.

Fire Andy Reid.

by BrianS on Oct 6, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

suggestions?

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

John Gruden? Bill Cowher? Jim Johnson with a new OC? Some guy like Jim Zorn, who might not be as well known, but completely undressed Reid yesterday.

That’s LurieBanner’s problem.

I’m just completely frustrated — 2 seasons in a row I’ve gone in with very high expectations, and the season was on the brink by week 5 because the Eagles couldn’t close out winnable games.

Fire Andy Reid.

by BrianS on Oct 6, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

although I lke Cowher, I think we’d have to align our search with our personnel… in that case, I think Gruden or giving it to JJ and bringing in a better OC and a new DC (just to handle stupid shit, not call the game) would be the way to go

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True. It would take years for the personnel to be shaped in the Cowher mold.

by JasonB on Oct 6, 2008 11:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok — Cowher might not be a good. I’m certainly not qualified to identify the next head coach of the team.

But Lurie or Lurie and Banner did make a good hire at the time in Andy Reid, a guy who was not one of the more well-known candidates.

I’d not be adverse to them trying someone less well-known again.

Fire Andy Reid.

by BrianS on Oct 6, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i think our best bet is a new HC and OC… i’d like to see someone that offensively minded become HC, but he ain’t calling the plays… I know i’m gonna get roasted for saying this, but for some odd reason i’ve watched a couple Stanford games this year, and Jim Harbaugh seems like a “I don’t take shit from anyone, get your ass out there and play” kinda guy… then we just need to find an OC.

Mike Martz anyone??

/ducks

just kidding

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

anybody!

I would take just about anyone callin the plays than ol dandy andy drawin up these drunken playbooks

by CanadianEaglesFan on Oct 6, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You most definitely don't

Want Gruden; He’s a total BS artist, he’s doing with QBs what Reid’s doing with receivers down here in Tampa; think Spurrier without the charisma.

by The Pale Scot on Oct 6, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would honestly love to see a reporter take their little tape recorder and record Andy with his, “I need to do a better job of putting our players in a position to succeed” bull shit line and take it to the next PC after we loose again… Stand up, ask a question regarding red zone, third downs, etc. and as soon as he/she finishes the question, hit play on the tap recorder so everyone can hear the “I need to do…” before Reid has a chance to answer himself… then just sit down like nothing happened… that’d be fantastic

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 11:23 AM EDT   0 recs

I want

a reporter to ask the question “how many weeks will it take before you get these guys in the right position?” because that is what I am wondering.

by Whodie126 on Oct 6, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey lets not forget this...

How much different the run game might be if Shawn Andrews could get on the field!

"Watching Big Ben kiss the canvas nine times in Philly was like watching a guy fighting a school of sharks -- with everyone rooting for the sharks."

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2008 11:48 AM EDT   0 recs

I spent some time looking at Westy’s stats this morning – there’s a post in there.
I’m not sure that we can blame everything on MJG…

by cavortingEagle on Oct 6, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m blaming Reid for everything. The run game, poor clock management, the recession, high gas prices, etc.

Come on, Reid, fix Andrews’ back already!

Fire Andy Reid.

by BrianS on Oct 6, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The recession is absolutely Andy’s fault.
It seems to me that the Birds come out smoking on offense but cool of like a boiling pot of water stuck into an ice bath. I wonder why the scripted plays work so well and the game time play calling sucks so bad…
Is Marty calling the offense or is it Andy?

by cavortingEagle on Oct 6, 2008 12:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m pretty sure Andy’s talkin in the helmet to 5, and Marty Dingleberry just “suggests” stuff to try… the scripted plays work well because Andy is very good at disecting the defense in film, finding their weaknesses, and exploiting them. the game time play calling blows because Andy cannot do the same thing during the game. honestly, I think it comes down to the fact that he has to try and run the entire team, have an overall strategy and then attempt to adjust his offensive strategy in real time… it’s just too much to handle

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

welll… fuckity, fuck, fuck

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

foos, you have just provided me with my very first signature…

by Remis on Oct 6, 2008 5:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

glad I could help bro…

Kiffin/Linehan '09!
Super Bowl or Bust!

*weaps softly*

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

red zone offense...

WHERE THE F*CK IS IT? Is it hiding away alongside Osama, Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis Im a loyal Eagles fan from Canada, and the stink has reached its way up here, through cold weather and all. The sting generated from these losses is made even worse from shitty CowBangers fans in my city….yes they exist here too…and as for a new head coach…..whats Lane Kiffin doin these days? lol kidding…..but kinda not ..

by CanadianEaglesFan on Oct 6, 2008 12:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Red Zone

I plan on talking about this during the week… but the problem appears to be more specific than just the red zone. It’s the goal line! Drives aren’t stalling at the 20, it’s the freaking 2 yard line where they’re stalling.

What is it about not just the red zone, but specifically the goal line that’s killed them the past 2 weeks?

by JasonB on Oct 6, 2008 12:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What about the roll out

Imagine this. Eagles have the ball on the one. McNabb fakes a hand off to Westbrook (or Buckhalter or anybody) who plunges into the middle of the line, while McNabb rolls right and starts heading for the goal line. Knowing they’ll have to hit McNabb by at least the three yard line to guarantee that he won’t get into the endzone, a corner and a safety step up. Lo and behold LJ and Reggie are now standing in the back of the endzone waiting to receive a quick flip from McNabb for the touchdown. If the corner and the safety don’t bite, McNabb keeps chugging for the pylon. I’ve seen that play work dozens of times in the past, and I’ve seldom seen it well defensed (sometimes our receivers drop the pass). Does it take a genius to try that play at least once when we are down there? Apparently it takes someone with a little more sense than our (ahem) offensive strategists.

by MJW on Oct 6, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what about

the play action flip to Westy which works 99.9% of the time. Or I don’t know running anywhere not up center.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position"

by Whodie126 on Oct 6, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you should add… “to take it in the ass” to your signature

Kiffin/Linehan '09!
Super Bowl or Bust!

*weaps softly*

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 2:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

its suppose to say

“I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations”

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Oct 6, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and so it does

must have messed that one up first go around

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Oct 6, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Shit… Lane Kiffin for HC… Scott Linehan for OC!

I’m starting a god damn campaign!

Kiffin/Linehan ’09

by foos05 on Oct 6, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this team has a lot of the same problems as last season’s team. Which makes sense, because it is essentially the same team (with the same coach, read: same offensive approach).

I have seen little in the first five weeks to make me believe that this team can be any better than 8-8. Flashes of brilliance followed by prolonged periods of offensive ineptitude.

by FuquaManuel on Oct 6, 2008 12:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Another 8-8 year

We’ll show just enough life for that saggy bag of cholesterol to think we can go into next season with just a few “tweaks”. It is clear to me that AR doesn’t have what it takes to win in the NFL. 10 years is enough. Since the Superbowl, we’re a .500 team. Think about that for a minute-over the past three-plus seasons, the almighty fat wizard is 20 and 20…always an excuse but never an answer.

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Oct 6, 2008 7:44 PM EDT   0 recs

bad math…26 and 26, but that’s even worse!

I bleed green and I piss silver and blue

by oldasquick on Oct 6, 2008 7:46 PM EDT   0 recs

but it is 6 more wins ....

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Oct 6, 2008 9:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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