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Where did the Chad Johnson talk come from?

Not happening
It just so happens that I live just out of earshot of Philly's sports talk station, 610 WIP. I can kinda get it at times, but honestly I'm not driving around with static all day hoping to hear something... During the Christmas holiday however, I was back in the heart of WIP's coverage area and I was sure to tune in a few times to see what the fans were saying.

I also happen to check out the official Eagles message board from time to time.

Multiple times over the past few days on WIP I heard both hosts and callers talk about the Eagles getting Chad Johnson from the Bengals this offseason. If you go read the Eagles message board, half the threads on there mention "Ocho Cinco" as a guy Eagles fans want.

Sounds like a fine idea to me. An elite, pro bowl WR... who wouldn't want that? The problem is... he's not a free agent. In fact, there's very little if any indication that he's available in any way. Johnson is under contract with the Bengals until 2010 with a team option for 2011. The only thing close to word that Johnson could be had was a report from ESPN's Chris Mortenson who said he could be trade bait in the offseason.

That little report seemed to cause a stir... but no one seemed to pay attention when Mort basically retracted it to the Bengals official site.

"There were two parts to it," Mortensen said Wednesday. "The first part dealt with the source saying that because of Chad's passion and pride, they have to figure out a way to deal with him. The second part was my analysis that the discussions could bring them to a crossroads and that could involve a trade. At no time did a Bengals source tell me they could possibly trade him."

I just have this odd feeling that for no reason at all many many Eagles fans and radio hosts are getting all worked up about getting Chad Johnson and when it doesn't happen they'll all freak out. I could see them now whining about how the Eagles are cheap and didn't go out and get a #1 WR when he was out there.

Bengals president Mike Brown even went so far as to say "He isn't going anywhere, Chad Johnson is a tremendous football player. We're glad he's here. He's an integral part of what we do."

He's not out there. He never was. One little note from Chris Mortenson on a Sunday doesn't mean Chad Johnson will be wearing Eagles green next year. Frankly, I can't figure out why anyone ever thought it did mean that.

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Not going to happen...
I've said before, if the Eagles are going to target a true #1, it should be Larry Fitzgerald.  He's not a FA, but the Cardinals are having some serious problems with his contract.  Because he made the Pro Bowl, his number for next season balloons to an unmanageable $15 million.  

Fitzgerald is bigger, better, and younger than Ocho Cinco.  Oh, and he's also by all accounts a great "team" guy.  

Considering they also need to sign Carlos Dansby, who is probably their #1 priority, they have some hard choices to make.

WIP talking about Chad Johnson is just another piece of evidence for the "talk radio is a wasteland" case.

by BFH on Dec 27, 2007 8:13 AM EST   0 recs

Is it ignorance?
These hosts on WIP work in sports full time and get paid well for it. Half of them are current or former writers. It took me, who does this for free in his spare time, under an hour to compile the facts and write this article which I think makes it pretty obvious Chad Johnson is going here or anywhere.

So why would they persist? Is it because they really don't bother doing the work or are they setting everyone up for a fall? Certainly building up people's hopes about Chad Johnson and then ranting for weeks on end when it doesn't happen has more sizzle than the truth of this situation. COuld that really be the motivation?

by JasonB on Dec 27, 2007 8:45 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Not sure
I just don't think there's a lot of thought that goes into anything they talk about.  Like political talk radio, these guys try and expand their audience by making the most outrageous statements they can.

They say it forcefully and loudly enough that it comes off like fact.  Who cares if it's irresponsible?  This is an opinion show!

It's garbage.

by BFH on Dec 27, 2007 9:31 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

It's garbage
pretty much sums up a radio station where the marquee event is an eating contest.  While it is entertaining at times, to consider it serious journalism, or to give gravitas to their claims is pretty silly.

by brooksy on Dec 27, 2007 4:32 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

It's Rhetoric
These guys know what's available.  They set up these pins to knock them down: they can repeat their endless arguments that the front office is not doing enough, that the owner is cheap or doesn't "want" to win (see also the phillies for the exact same argument).  It's the easiest way to keep the audience angry and uninformed.

by Behan on Dec 27, 2007 5:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Personally speaking
I'd be happy with either Cardinal player.

by grover on Dec 27, 2007 10:37 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

WR Options
Bengals could choose to trade 85, given that is an area of strength, and they have numerous weaknesses.  Options are...

*    Bernard Berrian... Another quick receiver w/Good hands in the Kevin Curtis mold.
*    DJ Hackett- A big, west coast trained target who, when healthy, is beyond "effective."
*    Interesting comment in this thread about Fitzgerald... I was unaware of their cap space issue... this is the kind of guy the Eagles Brass targets... young & lotsa potential.  Question is, whatta they give up to get him?  Cards need help on D...  
*    R Moss... Little chance Reid signs him, but Pats will probably not based on his expected asking price.  He'll go for the most money (Maybe to Dalls opposite TO?)
*    D Stallworth... Pats owe him 8mil by March, 2008 unless he gets cut.  Getting cut is therefoire likely, and Eagles can reacquire the speedster to help stretch the field.  pats indicate they want to replace him w/Chad Jackson, their 2006 #1 pick.

Also, who do Eagles trade or cut at wr?  Curtis/Brown are going no-where.  G-Lew is the #5 but is a good backup in the speed role who plays ST.  Avant and Baskett are clones... I could see one of these 2 being replaced if the Eagles could upgrade via one of the above, but which one would you move?

by meangreenmachine on Dec 27, 2007 7:33 PM EST   0 recs

Fitzgerald
You don't give up anything to get him.  You wait until he is cut because the Cardinals aren't going to pay him $15 million, then sign him off the street.  The Eagles don't want to take over that sort of contract.

by Andrew on Dec 28, 2007 10:31 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I love the buzz about picking up a big name WR
... This year, i will be irrate if we dont make a serious splash in free Agency. To not make a big move or two is basically saying that we're done with 5 and his chances of winning the SB here... Please tell me that finally the Front Office realizes that this roster isnt going to get it done without help... they'd have to know that right?
700 Level

by 700 Level on Dec 28, 2007 11:38 AM EST   0 recs

Ocho Cinco
I really strongly believe that the Eagles will Definately make a splash this offseason. Possibly Ocho Cinco. For those who say its a pipe dream are really not looking at the whole picture. Here are my top reason why Ocho Cinco will be a bird. Tell me what you think?

1.The Bengals are probrably looking to blow up that team with their record.

2.Coach Lewis called out Johnson in the middle of the season, saying he could with with player "Like him".

3.Eagles where always interested in signing a #1 receiving, however if the Eagles could not get their first choice they would just go with the players they have. Ex: Eagles aquired TO, in that same off season, Eagles were close to signing Burress to complement Owens, Ealges also made a run for Javon Walker.

4.Eagles will not make same mistake twice. They will definately give Kolb a #1. They Ealges will have plenty of cap space (minus Kearse and Howard) possibly Dawkins and McNabb. They wont make the same mistake twice.

5.Other NFL teams are winning with a passing heavy office, all have #1 WR. (NE, IN, etc).

6.Patriots proved that it pays to be agressive in free agency. Eagles can no longer default to NE as a team that won w/ no recievers. They knew they needed WR and signed 3 studs.

If the bengals decide not to trade Johnson, Eagles WILL sign someone. I would love Fitzgerald. Drafted a WR is unlikely (too hit and miss). Birds will draft OT in 1st and Saftey 2nd round. Trust me, I was the only guy that knew the Eagles were gonna draft a QB last year.

Give me your feed back. Go Birds.

Dallas Sucks

by yophillybro on Dec 28, 2007 2:21 PM EST   0 recs

To be clear
I'd be absolutely ecstatic if we somehow got Chad Johnson. I'm just having a hard time seeing how it happens. But hey, if that quote is true maybe it could?

by JasonB on Dec 28, 2007 3:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Ocho Cinco
Yophillybro... we want to get to the same place, but we may disagree about how it could / should happen...

1-    If Marvin Lewis retains authority in Cincy, he will not "blow it up."  If he stays, 2008 would probably be his last year to turn it around under the existing program.
2-    I agree with your second point... it is possible the friction between 85 and Lewis could lead to the Bengals shopping the talented wr.
3-    I also concur the Eagles are aggressive about improving their team... You sited Javon Walker as a great example.  Not sure how serious they ever were about Burress, though.  Still, they will make any move to improve personnel, so long as that move does NOT disturb the master plan... AKA the cap.
4-    Eagles only clear up 3mil in cap space next year when they cut Kearse and Howard, because they take the cap hit in 2008 associated with the large signing bonuses they gave the 2 DE.  Dawkins will be back.  If they trade McNabb (possible but I believe far less than a 50:50 shot), again, the savings would be offset by the 2008 cap hit associated with his signing bonus.
5-    N.E. won 3 Super Bowls without a high end #1 (What has Deion Branch really done in Seattle with a good qb?).  Another recent Supe winner, the Steelers, had Hines Ward, a foine wr, but not a high end #1.
6-    Pat proved it pays to be aggressive in Free Agency?  Not sure about that... actually, Pats proved it can pay to trade valuable draft picks wisely.  Their two most important off-season acquisitions, R Moss and W Welker, were acquired by trading draft picks ( a "4" for Moss, a "2" for Welker).

I think Chad Johnson is a really good receiver... perhaps great.  But, unlike T.O., he is not a prototypical West Coast wr... he uses his speed, rather than his physicality, to make plays.  And he prefers going downfield rather than getting yards after the catch.  Don't get me wrong, I'd be a delighted Eagle fan if he could be acquired.  However, I believe Fitzgerald is a better fit.   I also think Stallworth is a similar wr to 85... not as good, but a LOT less expensive, and he already is a proven commodity that fit into the organization.

Regarding the drafting of an OT in the 1st round, I don't think that happens.  At Left Tackle, Tre Thomas has a year left.  They certainly have NOT given up on Winston Justice.    And Toidd Herremens will probably be displaced at Guard next year by Max Jean Gilles... he will back up at both Guard and Tackle (he started at Tackle in T.O.'s final year here).  Runyan looks to have at least a year left on the right side, after which Shawn Andrews will slide over and play RT.  The Eagles have a fine developmental Tackle they are very high on... Pat McCoy.  They have devoted 2 years already into grooming McCoy, and he is a project worth keeping an eye on!  Another youngster they stashed on IR is Stefan Rodgers.  These two young tackles are Reid's "Plan A" to make a splash on the roster once Thomas and Runyan are hurt or gone.  

Eagles 1st round pick... a cornerback.

by meangreenmachine on Dec 29, 2007 10:31 AM EST   0 recs

85 RE: meangreenmachine
I always appreciate some good Eagles dialogue. You make some strong arguements. I subscribe to the belief that Eagles shop off the top rack when possible, even though fans beleive they are cheap. They sign only players they want. Andy Reid is well aware of the Eagles need for a top WR, you just have to be smart about it. I'm sure you agree that drafting a WR is almost out of the question. I also agree with you that the Eagles may look at CB in the first round, because CB high a high success rate in first round.

I beleive that the Eagles are getting old at tackle and they would like to address it before it becomes an issue. It will take to pick 2 or more years to be ready. You cannot afford to aquire any free-agents for that possition and can afford to draft a middle-tier non-first round talent guy. Its best to adress the issue while you have 2 guys ahead. All that said, I do agree that CB is also a strong possibility there.

I'm sure you'll agree that you can get a good safety in the 2nd round.

In regards to Chad, I'm not saying it will happen. Only that it is not impossible. I believe they will work somekind of deal for a stud, thats all. We'll see. (please give me feedback)

Dallas Sucks

by yophillybro on Dec 31, 2007 12:09 PM EST   0 recs

I hope you're right
I just think it's plain to see that this offense needs another guy to make plays. I've said before. I don't care if it is a WR... If there's a great TE out there, then I'd be happy with that. If it's a stud WR, that's great too.

by JasonB on Jan 1, 2008 10:12 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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