The most vile creature on earth, the fake Dallas fan
Considering that today is Halloween, I think it's appropriate to discuss who I consider to be the most vile creatures on earth. The scourge of any NFL city... That would Dallas Cowboy fans not from Dallas. Anyone who listens to the BGN podcast(or Eaglesfancast.net) has heard me vent my feelings on these people several times. Earlier this week, the great Philly sports blog, The 700 Level, also brought up this awful phenomenon.
WTF is wrong with you people? Little girls like stars and uniforms. Not real football fans.
The comments over there are an absolute must read...
Now to be honest, despite our rivalry, I have no problem with real Dallas fans. Those people that go to the stadium every week and live in area are just regular football fans supporting their home team. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. The fake, front running Dallas fans that grew up New Jersey, or Ohio, or Florida, are a different story. I'll never understand it. What fun is it to sit alone in your house with no friends hoping that your favorite team isn't playing at the same time as the the local team? If they win, you have no friends to celebrate with. When the Eagles win, I get to celebrate with 60,000 other fans at the Linc or with a few hundred other fans at a local bar. My friends, family, and the people I grew up are all Eagles fans and we enjoy football together. I get to pick up my morning paper and read all about my team, I get tune in the local radio stations who all talk about my team, I can watch local TV and hear about my team. I get to savor my teams' success in a way the fake Dallas fans never will.
That aspect of community is what makes football so great. It's what makes sports great and it's something the fake Dallas fans will sadly never experience. Trace it all the way back to the gladiators when Romans would get behind their local guy as he wore their colors into battle. Fake Dallas fans would have been rooting for the other guy from the other town thousands of miles away. Were these fake fans also rooting for the Nazis to win WWII? What would make these people hate their community and in reality, themselves so much?
Is it just a need to be "that guy" that everyone hates? I've met many Giants & Redskins fans that I find to be "like-able" guys. I've even met Dallas from Dallas that are like-able guys. However, these fake fans from no where near Dallas are in all likelihood unable to fit in with their community, so they do whatever they can to carve out an identity for themselves. At least being the villain that annoys everyone is an identity. Poor guys...
In the end, I pity these people. I know that if Dallas wins a superbowl that the parade and celebrations will take place thousands of miles away from these people and they'll be no part of it. They like to brag about their team's rings, but in reality those fake fans got not joy from those rings. They sat alone in their house and watched those superbowls and the next day they went to work at the their job in Cherry Hill. In the meantime, real Cowboys fans were partying in the streets and taking real pride in their communities' success.
So when the Eagles finally do win that Superbowl, we can take pride in the fact that the party will be in our backyard with all our family in friends... not thousands of miles away in a place we've never been with people we've never met.
Now, if any of these fake fans would like explain or defend themselves in the comments... please do so.
Update [2007-10-31 15:2:55 by BleedGreen]: The fake fans from Dallas don't even respect the real ones in Dallas! These guys really are just anti social types that are lashing out at the world that won't accept them... This is from our Cowboys fan pal Terry who was born and raised in PA...
"I got news for you the REAL fans of the Cowboys reside outside of Dallas, I guarantee that."
Brilliant! Do you Cowboys fans in Dallas agree that you're not REAL fans?

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no, you got that wrong
I've was born and raised in Pennsylvania and am the biggest and most REAL Cowboy fan you'll ever meet. Show me the rule or law that states you must root for the team you live near, thats the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Why should someone be forced to root for a team they don't like?? Thats assinine.
What your peabrain fails to comprehend is that the Cowboys are America's Team and I share their wins and success with many fans here in PA. You talk as though Cowboys fans outside the State of Texas are scarce when actually the opposite is true.
Not only that, but I've attended several Cowboys games at Texas Stadium over the years, and at least half of the Cowboys fans in attendence are from OUTSIDE the State of Texas. I recently attended the Pats/Cowboys game, and I met many fans from all over the country ranging from PA to State of Washington, and even fans from Canada.
I also got news for you, your Eagles aren't winning the SB anytime soon, you blew your opportunity the last few years, be prepared for the Cowboys to dominate this division and the league like they did in the '90s when we were stompping all over your asses, just like we will on Sunday.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Fans
As Howard Eskin would say, "Answer my frickin' question!"
Why on earth would you actively select as your team a team from half way across the country, rather than a local team to which you are tied by the bonds of municipal pride?
That's the question.
Why as a person from southeastern Pennsylvania would you NOT root for the Eagles?
To most of us, its like being from Philadelphia and involved in politics and getting excited about who will be the next Mayor of Kansas City. Or being from Philadelphia and being a tourism and civic booster for Birmingham, Alabama. It just makes no sense.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy
The last time I checked this is America and in case you weren't aware we enjoy many freedoms, one of which is the freedom of choice. If somebody likes a particular team over another, even if that team is local, why shouldn't they be allowed to cheer for that team. Its simply the American way, freedom of choice, absent breaking the law.
I fell in love with the 'Boys in the mid '70s when I was a boy because I admired and respected the class and dignity of Tom Landry and Roger Staubach. These 2 guys were my idols and I loved everything about them. So obviously when you admire and love a team as a kid, you keep loving them into adulthood.
Where you reside or live should have nothing to do with which team you give alleigence. Furthermore, we should anyone care?? Why does it matter??
Are Philly fans so jealous of the Cowboys success (5 SB titles v zero) that they have to resort to such classless ridiculing?? Are they jealous that Cowboys fans exsist everywhere in the country, while the only Eagles fans that exsist are from that vile, stench ridden, armpit of a city you call Philadelphia??
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The AMerican way
Sad indeed.
by WeaponX on Oct 31, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"vile, stench ridden, armpit of a city"
So, you hopped on the Cowboys bandwagon in the 70's. That's great. And since you loved the class and dignity of Staubach and Landry, I suppose you took a break from supporting them when Irvin, Erik Williams, Deion Sanders and Leon Lett were on the team?
by BrianS on Oct 31, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, bleedgreen started this attack
Regarding your question, the point I was trying to make, when you fall in love with a team, thats it, you're a fan for life. So if the '90s Cowboys didn't meet the moral fiber of Landry and Staubach, so be it, but the class and dignity of Aikman and Smith made up for the rest of the team.
BTW, I never was bandwagon team, ever.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does it matter....?
by slandog on Oct 31, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Central PA
I have buddy's from Huntingdon and Mt. Union and the like. They are all Steelers fans, because ultimately their part of the state revolves around Pittsburgh, just like most people from Scranton and Reading and Hazleton are Eagles fans.
Again, a simple question, why wouldn't you root for one of the local teams to you - Steelers in western PA, Eagles in eastern PA, Colts in York, Bills or Browns in Erie and the northern tier?
Why choose a team halfway across the country other than simply being a frontrunner?
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy question
Why should I root for the Steelers if I don't the Steelers??
Why shouldn't I root for the Cowboys if I like them??
It would be like your parents choosing your mate for you, just assinine.
Being what you call a frontrunner has absolutely nothing to do with it. I've been loyal to the Cowboys as a true fan since 1975, during the good and bad times. I don't understand your logic at all.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on Terry
BG's futile attempt at using logic is once again fuel for high comedy...he probably also thinks Arizona Cardinal fans should live in Arizona. Whoops, the current team is not originally from Arizona, it's 'from' St Louis, but was in Phoenix before that, but originally started in Chicago.
So by BG's 'logic,' Arizona Cardinal fans should live in Chicago. But wait, they have a team too! What do you do now Einstein? You Fecal fans are pathetically moronic.
Maybe you should worry more about having a drug kingpin as a coach rather than where a fan lives.
by Starred4Life on Nov 3, 2007 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
That's the problem!!!
by WeaponX on Oct 31, 2007 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG should be a psychologist
"At least being the villain that annoys everyone is an identity."
and then reading Terry... BG was absolutely spot on. Dallas fans from PA are far more obnoxious than real fans from Dallas.
by WeaponX on Oct 31, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got news for you
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
by WeaponX on Oct 31, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real Cowboys Fans
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no I never said that
It just seems to me the fans outside of Dallas love the Cowboys more than the fans locally, thats all.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Wayward Cowboys Fan
I became a football fan in 1973 or so when I was four or five. We were living about an hour south of Dallas. My first memory of sports is Golden Richards catching a bomb from Roger Staubach against, I think, the Bears.
I've cheered at the good times, been philosophical during the 1-15 (though Steve Walsh beating the Redskins did make that year at least partially fun) and the 5-11 years, and wept both for the Cowboys and the memory of Jackie Smith in SB XIII.
I am absolutely and forever a Cowboys fan. If you believe in karma, I'm also a Texas Rangers fan, but we needn't get into their long list of successes.
I, too, hate the bandwagon Cowboys fan, though. I think they bring down the soul of true Cowboys fans everywhere. In general, I believe one is pathetic for picking a team and then hopping bandwagons whenever it is convenient. Hence I hate fake Patriots fan now, fake Packers fan, fake Bronco fan, and yes, even fake Eagles fan.
I live in Missouri now, though. I have to hope that the Rams game isn't opposite the Cowboys. I don't believe that makes me pathetic for picking a team and sticking with them. I'm not a fake Cowboys fan because I don't live in the DFW area. I can guarantee that not every Dallas fan in Philly is fake.
In fact, I'll be willing to bet that most fans in Cowboys gear that go to the game in Philly are true fans who've been fans all their lives. Why do I say that? Well, would you allow yourself to be harangued and cursed at if you weren't a true fan? Would you suffer the crap that home team jerks who call themselves fans dish out without dedication? Probably not. This is true no matter who is the home team and who is the visiting team.
Being a true fan is not about convenience. It's not about living at this moment in the same geographical area as your team. It's not about always having the best place to celebrate victories or to mourn losses. It's about dedication to that part of your soul you have willingly given to a team, whether or not they deserve it.
by rhodri2112 on Oct 31, 2007 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Different
There are Eagles fans all over the country. However, I think compared with the Dallas fans all over the country, you'll find that most of them are people who are from, or who's parents grew up in, Philly. I'd put you into a similar sort of category, and I'd also probably say that the Cowboys are a regional team for a huge section of the country, in a way that most other teams are not, in that they're the or one of the "local" teams for a much bigger geographic area because teams are geographically farther apart out west.
I live in Central PA, sort of on the border of Eagles, Steelers, and Ravens "territories." I think most of the Dallas fans here were guys who, during one of Dallas' successful runs (so in the case of the guys my age, the '90s), and adopted the Cowboys so they'd have something to brag about. (Since it's kind of a no-man's-land, I think there's a lot of bandwagon fans in general here. I NEVER saw people wear Red Sox or Pats stuff while I was growing up. All the time, now.)
They're invisible when the Cowboys are bad, but heaven help everyone else if Dallas has a winning record.
Those are the Dallas fans I'm annoyed by. A guy like you, not so much. One of my best friends was born in Texas and lived in PA. He was a super obnoxious Cowboys fan, but at least I can understand why he is.
by BrianS on Oct 31, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how you can call
I rooted the Cowboys during their dominat times in the '70s and '90s, but I also stood by them during the dark ages of the '80s and early this decade.
So as long as you have a long history of being a fan and sticking by them thick or thin, there is no way you can considered a bandwagon fan no matter where you live or where you are from.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Becoming a Fan
Sometimes, people become fans of a team their parents are from, something especially true in the south and west, where so many people have moved to from the midwest and northeast.
Sometimes, people only become fans as adults after they move away from home and pick up a team out of their birth area, or they become fans in college for the local team.
The Dallas fans in the northeast are generally none of the above. Very few people move up here from Texas or go to college in Texas from here. And it is not as though there were not other successful teams to root for in the 70's and 80's, like the Raiders, Vikings, 49ers, Redskins, Broncos, and Dolphins. Almost to a man, Dallas fans in the northeast are frontrunning bandwagoneers who jumped on them because of the media hype of "America's Team".
In other words, they are traitors to the local teams who deep down hate where they live and hate the people they live around. So they root for some fantasy place they've never been to or maybe visited once or twice and think of themselves united to some fantasy group of fans around the country. That's why to a man, Eagles, Giants, and Redskins fans are all united in disliking the local Dallas fake fans.
Terry is a great example of this with his vitriolic comments about Philadelphia and Philadelphians. In all the intense rivalry I've seen, Eagles fans almost never say anything about Dallas or Dallasites.
Being a Dallas fan in the northeast is equivalent to saying f*** you every day of every year to all the local fans around you and to everything the local city and state stand for.
Eagles fans don't hate the city of Dallas or people from Texas even though we are sports rivals and don't like their team. We do intensely dislike Dallas fans from Philadelphia, New Jersey, and the rest of the northeast as a bunch of phonies.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course we hate the fans around us
Of course I hate living in PA, with idiot fans like you living around me.
A fan isn't fake or phoney if he or she rooted for that team all of their lives, that is definitely NOT a frontrunner or bandwagon fan. How you become to like a team shouldn't matter, but how loyal you are the rest of the way does.
I guarantee you that my passion for the Cowboys is as real as any Eagles fan as for Philly, no question about it.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Of course I hate living in PA"
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry Hate's PA and Eagles and Steelers Fans
I'll be the first to chip in to a fund to help pay your moving expenses to somewhere more to your liking.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Of course I hate living in PA"
Oh wait, I guess it's kind of hard to move your parents' basement, isn't it.
by BrianS on Nov 3, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A must-read site
Enough said.
by rhy on Oct 31, 2007 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
by Ed on Oct 31, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fandom has nothing to do with Geography
People become "fans" of a team for a lot of different reasons. They catch the team at a moment of greatness and fall in love with the emotions that team generates in them. Their dad or grandpa or stepdad loves a team so they get brainwashed into that team. They like a team because their brother loves the team's rival.
There is nothing that says "geography" should guide you to the team you love, or the team you hate. It has nothing to do with it.
by BoyzFanSince1971 on Oct 31, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha
In other words "They're frontrunners"
by WeaponX on Oct 31, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by MaxB on Oct 31, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're from Philly
It's the guy that was born and raised in PA or Boston that chose to root for the Cowboys. That's the guy I have no respect for.
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you're telling me
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find such a creature...
I'm guessing if you find an Eagles fan in Dallas, they're probably a Philly expat, or the son or daughter of a Philly expat.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that (and I'll hold the same standard to a Dallas fan in Philly. If that person moved to Philly from the Dallas area, or their parents did...I'm ok with that. I'm guessing the team someone's father roots for is a stronger correlation than geography on who a son roots for. I also think most of the Dallas fans in Philly are simply frontrunners who want people to pay attention to them).
However, if you find a Philly fan in Dallas who doesn't meet those conditions, I am guessing that person is an Eagles frontrunner who started liking the team sometime in 2001-2006. As someone who's been there through the bad times, enjoyed (but been disappointed) by the good times, and will be there for the Birds through the next round of bad times, whether that's started already or not, no, I don't have as much respect for that person.
by BrianS on Oct 31, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BG this was your greatest thread ever...
If what i say is true, come to terms with it... you're a bandwagon fan.
by 700 Level on Oct 31, 2007 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not
BTW, who when they are first exposed to football roots for a loser anyway??
Oh, thats right, Philly fans are losers so i guess they should root for their own kind.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eskin?
by SJMIke on Oct 31, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Also, I don't really think you can count radio hosts and stuff like that. In most cases, I'm guessing they pretend like they're the biggest fan in the world of the local team, and then as they move on to another market, they've got to be the biggest fan in the world of another team.
I think Eskin "likes" the Eagles now because his positive outlook toward the team gives him access to inside information. I do not for a second think that Howard Eskin bleeds green in the same way I do.
by BrianS on Oct 31, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice try Bleed Green
Go over the BTB and you'll see most of the bloogers there are not from Dallas either, even Grizz resides outside of Dallas, who by the way is the best blogger in SB nation.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eskin,cont.
by SJMIke on Oct 31, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh, whatever
I like Glen McNow a lot, but that's about it. I don't live in WIP range to know who fills all their slots now.
by BrianS on Oct 31, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
and terry, all you say is personal attacks, which if you knew anything about effective arguing, you'd know that people resort to that when they feel beaten or don't have a strong argument. and based one what you said about philly fans, you have proven yourself rude. coming to this site just to call eagles fans as many negative adjectives you could think of was obnoxious. and calling all of us moronic idiots ties in with class...(oh, and since you're outnumbered a lot to a little, i don't expect you thought you were gonna get everyone to agree with you?)
by eagleyosh on Oct 31, 2007 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eagleyosh
I don't think so. He started the fight, I'm finishing it. Actually, by initally posting this in the first place, bleed green is proving you correct because he's so jealous of the Cowboys success and popularity, he resorts to personally attacking Cowboys fans outside of Dallas because he feels beaten and doesn't have any strong arguments as to why Philly could beat Dallas this Sunday.
Trash talking is one thing, but personal atacks are another and bleed green crossed that line.
BTW, using his logic, he has no respect for you as a fan since you're not a Bears fan since you from Chicago.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
You can stop crying about how it's a double standard. I freely admit it is. Deal with it.
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you just admitted your argument
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
by 700 Level on Oct 31, 2007 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grizz from BTB
You insult me, I'll fight back, its that simple, dude.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't insult Cowboys fans
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally different
You have a connection to the Eagles through your dad. That's totally cool.
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
LMAO
This entire post makes no sense whatsoever.
You can root for what ever team you damn well want to. Just because you don't or can't live in the same city where they play doesn't mean you are not a true fan.
If you love and follow a team your whole life through good times and bad, that is the mark of a true fan. It is certainly not defined by a person's geographic location.
by Chunky Soup on Oct 31, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
finally someone with a brain
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas fans are a unique bunch
If it were just a few I'd really have no issue with it. I have no problem with the Eagle fan out there that doesn't necessarily have a connection to the area. Or the Bears fan or the Chiefs fan, or Packer fan... That's different. Front running Cowboys fans far outnumber these guys around the country and are a breed all to their own.
Is it a double standard? Absolutely.
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and now you're admitting your jealously
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not america's team
by eagleyosh on Oct 31, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this thread proves the Cowboys are America's Team
You can deny it, but its the truth none the less.
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta chime in
I think the reason why this seems to (and perhaps does) apply to the Cowboys more than any other team is that two successive generations grew up with a Dallas dynasty (or, at least, dominant team) in the 70's and 90's. That led to 2 generations of people without a team that picked Dallas, and probably strengthened the generational attachment from those that hopped on in the 70s and 90s. I think another reason (related to that history) is just that Dallas is a high-profile team in the national media and the only historically good team in the entire southwest region.
The bottom line is that being a fan is about sticking with a team through good and bad times, as others have said. People pick teams for many different reasons, but as long as you've only picked one and stuck by them, that counts.
Also, why the hell would people in your region decide to hop on the Cowboys bandwagon in the last 5 years? As you all know, Dallas hasn't won a playoff game in a decade (though that stops this year) and Philly has been killing it. That's pretty weak.
by grapejoos on Oct 31, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re:
I think they "hopped on the wagon" in the 70s or 90s and have been very quiet lately, and are now very "in our faces" now that Dallas is good again.
Nothing personal, but that seems to me to be an almost universal quality of the Dallas fan who lives in Philly. When Dallas is down, they're nowhere to be found. When Dallas is winning, they're very loud and visible. For lack of a better word, there's an "obnoxiousness" to the out-of-market Cowboys fan that I don't see in fans of the Steelers, Packers, or 49ers, despite similar levels of success over multiple eras. Like I said, nothing personal, since I don't know you.
But take Terry for instance. Right before Christmas, Terry was on here quite often telling us how Tony Romo was going to kill the Eagles. After the game, a resounding Eagles victory, Terry was nowhere to be found.
Now, If the Eagles lose, I admit I'm not going to go on Blogging the Boys and humbly congratulate you guys. But...unlike Terry, I haven't been over at the opposing team's website talkin' trash all week.
by BrianS on Oct 31, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I only brought up the "past 5 years" issue in response to someone below. I get why Dallas fans have come out of the woodwork this year, maybe even last year. Before that, it just seems strange.
It probably also has something to do with how vitriolic the hatred is of Eagles fans to Cowboys fans. Cowboys fans are used to being hated (seems like we are public enemy #1 for all of the NFC East teams, though I'm not sure how Giants fans feel), but Philly really brings it in a disgusting and well-chronicled way. Maybe that drives the closeted Dallas fans in Philly to be more obnoxious. Or maybe it just takes an obnoxious (or at least a strong-willed) person to actively choose to root for a team that everyone they know hates with an undying passion. Maybe that's the point.
As for Terry, he is as dedicated a fan as you will ever see, no matter where he grew up. The guy knows his stuff, and he is a true believer much moreso than millions of Cowboys fans in Texas. I'm not in a position to say anything about going to other teams' boards, but I could see how someone in his position would be incredibly offended by this particular argument about "fake fans". Again, maybe that's the point. I'm just here because I'm fascinated.
by grapejoos on Oct 31, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicken or egg
But it's those people that were born and raised where I was but still choose to jump on the Dallas bandwagon. The "fake fans" as I've labeled them are particularly obnoxious and I think this thread has proven that. The native Dallas fans have been not only civil but very analytical and well thought out, whereas the non-native Dallas fans have been frothing at the mouth. I'm sure you'd find it hard to understand if a guy you worked with and that was born and raised in Dallas was for some reason an obnoxious Redskin fan. You'd certainly have to wonder about the motivation... When it's a nationwide phenomenon, it becomes even more fascinating. I'm only speaking from a Philly perspective, but any fan from any NFL city undoubtedly also has a story about guy they grew up with that adopted the Cowboys during one of their dynasties.
The weird thing that the Cowboy fans are different. I've run into a lot of Steeler fans that aren't from Pittsburgh, probably thanks to their dynasty in the 70s... For whatever reason, despite the fact that they became fans in almost the same scenario as these Cowboy fans... they are totally different people. By and large nice, easy going people.
I'm sure that the fact I don't hate the Redskins all that much is because I've liked almost every Redskins fan I've met. I know for fact that these phony cowboy fans from Philly have helped fuel the rivalry as much as anything.
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a vicious cycle
It may also be that the Cowboys' success in the 90s (and the attitude of that team) made them more obnoxious. Hell, I am beginning to hate the Pats more than any other team because of their fans and the way the team is flaunting its success. My desire to see them go down in flames now is probably not all that different than Philly fans felt when the Cowboys dynasty died out, when Irvin got hurt (which was when the real permanent damage was done between the fanbases, from my perspective). I actually like the Eagles' players and coaches on the whole and have all of the Reid era (ironically, except for TO, whom I hated then with a passion), but the fans are what make me want them to go down in flames.
While I'm on the subject, please whoop the Pats' asses in a few weeks.
by grapejoos on Oct 31, 2007 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's absolutely true
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the Phonies from Philly
My firm got taken over recently by a firm with a huge Texas presence, and we've been getting a lot of Texas guys coming up and helping staff our project. While they are all Cowboys fans, they've been to a man among the nicest people I've met to talk football with. They are passionate, they like the game, they make great BBQ for parties, and they aren't obnoxious about their team and they don't spend their time trashing our city and fans. We all get along great. They've joined in our betting pools and we have a good time at lunch and at happy hour talking football. To a man, they've all enjoyed being up here, and when we've gone to bars, we don't have any problems with other local fans when the Cowboys come up because that thick Texas drawl marks them as real fans immediately.
There's also a frontrunning Cowboys fan from northern NJ on the project. None of us can stand him in his so-called fanhood. The Texas boys can't understand why he isn't a Giants fan and don't trust him, and we just put him in the cockroach category like our local traitors. He acts like he is off in a cave, doesn't join in with any of the other football fans in the office in anything football related, and generally acts like he'd rather be hiding in the dark. Unsurprisingly he hates the city of Philadelphia and talks down about it nonstop when the subject comes up. Any surprise he likes working the nightshift on our construction project, when almost no one else is out? All of us can't figure out why he doesn't move back to where he came from if he hates it here so much.
If it weren't for the frontrunning phonies, there's no doubt in my mind that Eagles-Dallas would not be the rivalry it is, and that our biggest rival would instead by the Giants.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suriving Philly Fanhood
Because when our team is bad or we get to thinking about the Title-Free streak since 1983 we can always look over at Buffalo and Cleveland and Detroit and wipe the sweat off our brows and say, "Wow! Thank God I'm not from those places. At least we are better off than them!" Its comforting to know that even at your worst, there are others beneath you.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLus
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be
by grapejoos on Oct 31, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a good point
I couldnt agree with that more... but I still say that if you have no tie to dallas other than the fact that they won in the past, it makes you a bandwagon fan. If you had family who lives there, or did in the past and they got you into it, awesome. But when everyone around you likes the hometown team and you choose to root for the pretty, winning team 2500 miles away thats where i get annoyed.
by 700 Level on Oct 31, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't choose to root for the Cowboys because
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Are You A Fan?
Why? Because of Dr. J. Am I a bandwagon fan? I didn't choose the Sixers because they were great, if you'll recall the Celtics and Lakers were much more of a frontrunning team then. I have never seen anyone play basketball with Dr. J's grace and I had no previous affiliation or interest in NBA teams until I saw him play.
I see no harm of choosing a team because you like a player, especially when you are young. A 10 year old kid in Dallas who loves McNabb and follows the Eagles is fine by me, as long as he wears green all his life.
And not choosing the hometown team might very well be the point. We should not blindly follow a team solely because everyone else around you does. We should actually always question the behavior of a herd.
I chose to be a Man United fan because I had a friend in college from England who was a huge fan of both kinds of football, and who I had a friendly rivalry against. I asked him since he hated who I liked in the NFL, he should tell me who he hated in English football so we could give each other crap in two sports. I asked him because I had no previous affiliation to a team and this was as good a reason as any.
(There's another reason to hate me, Bleeding Green Nation :) I think Wenger's done a wonderful job but can Arsenal hold off the Devils?)
I have now chosen to be an FC Toronto fan because of the passion of a great friend in Toronto. Again, I had no previous MLS team and have been becoming a great soccer fan.
What makes us a fan of one team or another is completely subjective. Your one reason for a choice is geographic. For me, the reasons have included geographic, personal, family, and player. The only thing about fandom I have been consistent with is that once I have picked a team, I've stuck with them, no matter how good or bad they've been.
by rhodri2112 on Oct 31, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gooners are in trouble...
by brooksy on Oct 31, 2007 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also...
Also, this is totally off the subject but has anyone else ever noticed how cheap it is to go to a game in Dallas? You could almost fly to dallas for the game and pay less than you would for a great seat at the linc... why is that?
by 700 Level on Oct 31, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
again...
Terry, comments like this are stupid and really just cloud your argument, making it look like you can only through personal jabs and have nothing of value to say.
by 700 Level on Oct 31, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and I guess bleed green's comments
I'm going to take exception with anyone who questions my love for the Cowboys and i'll fight anyone with the verocity of a pitbull to defend myself.
by Terry on Oct 31, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Mike Vick when you need him? lol
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the Eagles Fans on the thread
My family is old original Philadelphian, from back in 1685, but they hadn't lived in the area since the early 1800's. My parents just kind of coincidentally moved back.
My dad grew up in Tennessee and North Carolina in the 1950s, so he didn't have any local teams to root for as there was no professional sports south of the Potomac and Ohio back then. Other than being a UNC and Northwestern fan, since he went to school at those places, he was just kind of a generic fan of baseball and a bit of football.
As a kid growing up here in the 1970's, it was very easy to pick up the local enthusiasm for the Eagles, Phillies, and Flyers from my friends and the neighbors. My dad started taking me to Phillies games because I became an absolute Phillies nut once I started playing Tee-Ball and needed a baseball cap. I would wear my Phillies cap around the clock until it fell apart, then beg him to get me a new one. When I learned to read and do a little math in 1st grade, I started reading the sports page of the Inqy and playing with baseball stats.
I picked up my love for football at block parties in Mt. Airy starting in 1979 when Vermiel first took us back to the playoffs and I was 4 1/2. One of my favorite memories was the NFC Championship party our block held in January 1981. My dad made homemade ice cream for the party and we all - adults and kids - went crazy as the Eagles stomped the hated Cowboys.
As to the Flyers, my best friend in elementary school was a big hockey fan and played hockey as his sport. He had season tickets with his dad on the Blue Line. He taught me street hockey and ice hockey and got me into playing and watching the game. Then I started begging my dad to get us tickets so we could go to games too.
My one exception to this is that when I went to college in Pittsburgh and then married a girl from Butler, I grew to have an appreciation of (though not fanhood for) of the Steelers (which she and her brothers are diehard fans of) and the Browns (which her father is a diehard fan of). They ard fun to watch and cheer for to with my brothers-in-law and father-in-law, though I'd never buy a jersey or spend time on a Steelers blog or wave a terrible towel. And when they play the Eagles of course I have to sit on the other side of the room or even a different room or go to a bar because those guys are so diehard they don't want any part of an opponent of their team sitting on their couch and drinking beer and eating chips while they are cheeringf for their team!
In my mind, all that is real fanhood.
As to liking frontrunning teams from across the country. WTF are you guys thinking? What is so damn exciting about celebrating some other city's triumph? When the Eagles went to the Super Bowl in 2004, it was cute to see my kids learn "Fly Eagles Fly" in pre-school, and it was electric to listen to the cheers and kids marching around and banging pots after the Eagles smoked the Falcons. When the Phillies stomped the hated Mets this year in a 4 game sweep we were all listening in the office at work and when we took the title on the last day we all stopped work at our construction project on the El to listen to the final outs. That's our fanhood.
Heck when my wife and I were dating and she was living in NYC in 96, it was exicting while driving up 3rd Avenue one evening to see the bars suddenly empty and car horns all start blaring as the Yankees won the world series, even if she and I could give a crap about the team, because it was exciting to watch a city and its people celebrate a triumph and feel the energy of winning. That's real fanhood at work.
And again when I was in college in Pittsburgh int he early 1990s, and Cowher was first doing great things with the team and the Penguins were going for a Threepeat, it was exicting to see the buzz in the city, listen to the fans and cheers on the radio, talk to fans at school and at Church and generally share in the energy that real fans give off. Again I didn't really care what happened, since it wasn't my teams, but the energy in the city was amazing. That's what real fanhood is about.
Cheering on Dallas in a cave in central Pennsylvania or a darkened basement in South Philly is not fanhood. Its anti-social cockroachhood - cowering in the dark, celebrating with yourself. WTF? I mean really - WTF? Are you the sort of guy who prefers pulling his own pud instead of making love to his girl? That's the only thing I can think of like cheering on an out of town frontrunning team. Its like you are saying to everyone: "Oooooo - look at me! I'm a fan of the **BEST** team, not the local losers!"
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So...
I'm supposed to shift to whatever team is in the region wherever the tenure-track professor job I end up accepting happens to be located?
All of those people who decide to pursue their dream for what really matters in life, their own career and family, should just simply shift their affiliation to whatever team is nearby?
You will become a Cowboys fan if your career or family reasons prompt you to move to Dallas?
These are, by your above definition, anti-social cockroachhood.
by rhodri2112 on Oct 31, 2007 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shifting Allegiance
I grew up in Philly and became a Philly fan from growing up here. I've lived later on in Wisconsin and Pittsburgh and New York and Boston before coming back, but I never picked up fandom from any of those places. I don't spend time cheering on the Packers or Red Sox or Penguins. I never suggested picking up teams as soon as you move at all, and I certainly never did.
What I suggested is that it is truly weird to grow up somewhere with a team and still live there, and decide that you hate the place and people and team and want to root for a team halfway across the country where you've never lived and have never been.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
This is to me a broad stroke with the paintbrush. The attack is on every Dallas fan in central Pennsylvania or South Philly and by extension all of Philadelphia. There is no attempt that I see to qualify that attack to exclude any class of Cowboys fan, whatever their own personal reasons for being a fan.
I respect you for your Philly fanness, and I respect that you keep with your teams, wherever you've traveled to. I'm all good with that. I'll happily share a beer with you during a game. I totally agree that swapping bandwagons with the vagaries of winning percentage is cheesy behavior.
What I'm not good with is broad sweeping generalizations, especially when they're phrased in crude and offensive terms.
by rhodri2112 on Oct 31, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fanhood
The dislike of Dallas "fans" stems from the locals who for reasons unknown couldn't bring themselves to join the social circle of being a fan of your local team with everyone else around you, but had to go jump on the "pretty" team that was winning.
Its antisocial and borderline misanthropic. Comments from people like Terry, a Pennsylvania who hates Pennsylvania, Pennsylvanians, and Pennsylvania teams are ample demonstration of our point.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iggle Fandom...in DC
For the past 20 years, I have lived in the DC Metro area (save for 4 years of college smack in the middle of Steeler territory), and I can honestly say that the one common cause I and all of my friends here (who are all Redskin fans) make are the loathing of the Cowboys and their 'America's Team' nonsense. Even the local radio shows here have those fake Dallas fan trolls who just call into Brian Mitchell and John Riggins' shows to 'discuss' (brag) the Cowboys.
I teach in a high school where we have a fair amount of diversity in fandom, although the Skins are the most dominant. There is one kid in my homeroom who is that one obnoxious front-running Cowboys fan - and why? Because he sees them on TV a lot. I just hope that at his 40th reunion he still better be a Dallas fan. However, nothing embarasses me more than to see front-running Eagles fans, which was very popular the first couple of years I taught ('02-'04).
by The Don of DC on Oct 31, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frontrunning Eagles Fans?
I guess things got really bad in DC around that time.
by Andrew on Oct 31, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There Are A Few...
Personally, I wish they would go back to the kelly-green jersey/silver pants/black shoes look, which I believe BG had a post about within the past month.
Some of the current bandwagoning that goes on in school has to do with alumni from the school playing with a particular NFL team.
by The Don of DC on Nov 1, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why i'm a cowboy fan . . .
i have to say that i think it speaks better of me that i didn't jump onto the bandwagon of one of the two "local" teams that did make the super bowl during that time (the giants or the patriots).
by muddy waters on Oct 31, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
My electric football game as a kid was just the red vs blue team...
by JasonB on Oct 31, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then and now . . .
bill bergey, harold carmichael, carl hairston, wilbur montgomery, jaws - i really liked those guys. even later on, it was easy to root for guys like wes hopkins, seth joyner, john spagnola, etc. - so long as they weren't playing dallas!
a couple other points against your initial argument in this post, which i actually think is a good post in that it's thought provoking and all: 1. there's always another cowboys fan around, so the isolation isn't as much as you describe. 2. i grew up around a lot of giants fans, took a lot of ribbing in the mid and late 80s, but man it was all worth it to watch - in a room filled w/ those same giants fans - as emmitt smith w/ one good shoulder beat the g-men in that game at the end of 93.
by muddy waters on Nov 1, 2007 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FFS
I remember Cowboys fans being particularly obnoxious growing up, but was still too young to realize most were just bandwagoners. I don't remember many Cowboys fans existing between 97-05. I don't live in Philly anymore, so can't comment on the "reemergence" of FFS (Fake Fan Syndrome), but it might be similar to a more nationwide trend of Pats fans emerging. Although, even these new Pats fans weren't quite as tiresome as the Dallas wannabes.
by brooksy on Nov 1, 2007 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
And in some ways that's why I love philadelphia fans so much. We haven't really had much to brag about for a long time, and our tenacity and our loyalty is something I'm very proud to be a part of.
I think its important for me to explain that I'm not saying ALL dallas fans are arrogant. I've met regular cowboys fans from philly and from dallas. It's just that there seems to be a tendency in dallas fans in particular to spout some arrogant bullshit and talk down on other fans...and that just pisses me off.
Although to be fair, I've met my fair share of Patriots fans who do that too. Trust me...it sucks living in boston right now.
by MaxB on Nov 1, 2007 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not too sure...
However, since we're a hockey town, I do find it annoying seeing Ottawa Senators fans at the bars or at the Leafs games.
by dawkfan20 on Nov 1, 2007 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Team
Our problem as stated is all the residents of the Mid Atlantic and New England who root for the Cowboys despite an abundance of local teams with historic records of winning (Patriots, Giants, Jets, Bills, Steelers, Eagles, Ravens/Colts, Redskins).
by Andrew on Nov 1, 2007 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before
THere's Eagles fans that read this blog from England, Australia, Canada, and all over the country. None of this applies to or is directed at them. Like I said before, this is a total double standard that applies only to Cowboy fans simply because they are such a unique phenomenon.
by JasonB on Nov 1, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh
by dawkfan20 on Nov 1, 2007 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the bottom line is that bandwagon fans
The definition is a fan who just cheers or roots for a team when the are on top or really good and goes away when they suck. That is what you call a fake fan.
You are not a fake, bandwagon or frontrunner fan if you stick with your team through the good times and bad, no matter what reason you choose to become a fan of that team in the first place.
If a Dallas fan from Philly came to the Linc back when the Cowboys sucked and cheered them on during those times, they are a true, real fan, no question about it.
To criticize that type of fan just stems from pure jealously because the only Eagles fans that exsist are locals and bandwagoners. The Eagles simply don't have the national fanbase of the Cowboys and never will and therein lies your resentment and jealously from which this attack on Cowboys fans outside the southwest stems.
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
National Fanbase
Eagles fans I know don't want a national fanbase of frontrunners and bandwagon jumpers. We are quite happy with our cohorts from Philly, Southern Jersey, Delaware, and Eastern PA, plus exiles from our community who have moved around the country.
Why would I want or care if people in Virginia, Rhode Island, Iowa, New Mexico, Montana, and Nevada root for the Eagles? It doesn't make our team better, and it does nothing for our community.
by Andrew on Nov 1, 2007 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
by JasonB on Nov 1, 2007 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't care about that
Your argument is, well he should root for a local team where he's from because its a community thing, its sharing with others.
Well, did you ever consider that really doesn't matter to a lot of people? If I decided to become a Steeler fan when I was a kid instead of a Cowboys fan, the way I enjoy being a fan would not be different in any respect because to me being a fan isn't about sharing moments with others like you seem to think, to me, its an individual thing, its a personal thing, its about enjoying your team play, no matter who is around to share in it. If the Cowboys beat the Eagles Sunday, I'll be just as happy alone as would with several Cowboys around me.
If I was a Steeler fan I would still prefer watching games alone because watching games with others is too distracting to me. I would still go to a home game now and then, which I do now as a Cowboys fan, and the bottom line I wouldn't enjoy being a fan any more or any less no matter who I cheered for.
You have to understand that people become fans for all types of different reasons, it shouldn't be dictated that has to be a local team you grew up near. That just doesn't make sense to me.
I have no respect for fake or bandwagon fans either, but I have no problem with a real fan who cheers for his team, through good and bad times. That is the definition of a real fan. How he became to like the team in the first place shouldn't matter to you or anyone else for that matter because it is really irrelevant why somebody choose to like a team or where he is from.
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry
But what pisses me off about your arguments is the fact that you think the cowboys are a better team because they have this national fanbase and this "America's Team" bullshit attached to them, and you insult the eagles for not having that.
That is what's so fucking annoying about out-of-state dallas fans. They say that kind of stuff to piss off the local fans around them, and use it as justification for there own fandom, and ONLY OUT OF STATE DALLAS FANS DO THAT. Not redskins fans, giants fans, jets fans...even patriots fans. Dallas fans are proud of this image, and they like to throw it out there in an extremely arrogant fashion.
by MaxB on Nov 1, 2007 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats not true
The America's Team is a pride thing for Cowboys because the Cowboys are the most popular and loved team in the country, as well as the most hated. Its just simply a fact that we have more fans all across the country than anyone else. However, I never use that to throw in another fans face unless I'm being insulted or attacked for being a Cowboys fan. If the Eagles had the most fans in the country, along with the history of success the Cowboys had, you guys would be bragging about that as well.
To prove my point, go over to BTB this Sunday and count how many Cowboys fans blog during the game as compared to any other to the Eagles blog or any other blog for that matter. We usually receive 200 to 300 posts a game and thats because there are simply more Cowboys fans out there all over the country.
Its a fact that fans such as yourself just have to deal with because its reality. To hate a Cowboys fan outside of Dallas isn't going to change that fact.
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't be blogging during the game
by BrianS on Nov 2, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See it all the time
The Delaware Valley Cowboy fan is far worse. Every one of these douche's that I grew up with liked the `Boys because they love being "that guy" that everybody hates. It's an annoying, childish, contrarian plea for attention. As with all annoying children they should just be ignored.
Go Birds.
by PJT on Nov 1, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a joke
I hate the cowboys probably more than the eagles but bashing on people because they cheer for a team they dont live by is rediculous.
And for the yankees fan above me how do you think steinbrenner pays for all these players??? its because of his HUGE fan base all over the country who pay for merchandise, Tv etc. If there werent allowed to be fans all over the country they couldnt afford one person on their roster. so remember that before you wanna act like your the only so called true fans out there. Most people find favorite teams outside of their area becuase of certain coaches or players etc. Becuase they enojy watching them
by funknuts on Nov 1, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are proving the point
"I hate eagles fans becuase they have this same moronic opinion. you guys are the worse fans in the entire country. This is why i will NEVER CHEER FOR THE EAGLES becuase i do not want to celebrate with idiots."
Its pretty funny to hear you claim you don't have a local team because: "I live an hour away from philly". Where do you live? Dowingtown? Reading? Quakertown? Vineland? Smyrna? You really believe that isn't part of Philly, or that you are soooo much better than regular Philadelphians because you lvie somewhere like that?
by Andrew on Nov 1, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my post below proves Eagles fans
Its all hatred and jealousy Andrew and you can't tell me different.
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
To cheer because a player suffered an injury so vile and discusting that should be shot on the spot because people like that shouldn't live in society, maybe an insane asylums or prision.
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I don't think the "America's Team" thing makes them a better football team, but I do think that particular marketing ploy made them a better franchise. The national TV appeal and merchandise sales makes them a wealthier franchise, meaning that the marketing people of the Cowboys did their job. Do you not think that most, if not all, franchises wish they had marketed nationally more and better during the 1970s? The simple fact is, and this isn't arrogance, the Cowboys are the most valuable NFL franchise because of that national fanbase.
The upside of that is that there are more diehard true Cowboys fans across the nation.
The downside is that there are more weaselly, smarmy, hypocritical, bandwagon Cowboys fans across the nation.
We seem to be in general agreement that fanhood involves commitment and that there are a variety of reasons for becoming a fan, though for many of you the primary reason should be geographic.
The problem from Eagles-fan perspective is scale, then. There are more Cowboys fans, hence more of the bad as well as more of the good, and unfortunately the bad ones have made themselves more memorable than the good ones.
And true Cowboys fans recognize this, and I guarantee that true Cowboys fans hate bandwagon Cowboys fans more than you do. You hate them for all of their normal negative hypocrisies. We hate them for that, plus we hate them for prompting fans everywhere to automatically assume that displaced Cowboys fans are bandwagon fans.
The basic thread of the argument is this:
- You say: Cowboys fans suck.
- We say: Hey, I'm a true fan all my life, 1-15, 5-11, whatever.
- You say: But there are so many bandwagon Cowboys fans that all Cowboys fans are obnoxious.
- We say: We agree on the bandwagon fan part, but don't paint all of the true fans with the same paintbrush. In other words, don't accuse me, who has bled and toiled and wept and sweated with my team as much as any fan out there of being a bad fan.
But I'm not one of them. I'm just as good of a fan as any of you, I just cheer for a different team. Don't lump me in with them, that's all I'm really asking.
by rhodri2112 on Nov 1, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great post rhodri2112
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew, what?
One more thing this picture is rediculous too. Beucase you have some stupid eagle fan HARRASSING cowboys fans which looks to be a father and his kid just going to enjoy the game.
by funknuts on Nov 1, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate, hate, hate
In other words, because you are a localized misanthrope, you root for the Bucs rather than your local team.
That's exactly what we are talking about. The ridiculousness of this phenomena of local haters of their local team.
by Andrew on Nov 1, 2007 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly
The NY media market is one of the largest in the world, and that's just counting the five boroughs. When you add in North Jersey across the river and southern Conn to the north--to say nothing of the rest of NY State--Steinbrenner doesn't have to sell so much as a baseball card west of Newark and his team would still be very wealthy. This of course is not to mention the mindbogglingly valuable real estate on which The Stadium sits and let's not forget profits of the YES Network which only broadcasts in the NY area.
Sorry to side-rail the discussion.
Go Birds.
by PJT on Nov 1, 2007 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
Steinbrenner was smart enough, or had people smart enough, to realize that he didn't have to worry about getting fans nationwide if he greatly increased his share of the, what, 50million people within 2-300 miles of the Bronx. The YES Network worked the same way as TBS and WGN did for the Braves and Cubs.
I don't have TV figures to prove it, but I believe that the Yankees get good ratings primarily because of their regional market, not because of a national market. I base this belief on the fact that I don't see many people at sports bars in the midwest rooting for the Yankees or wearing Yankees gear.
Again, that's totally a guess without any significant supporting information, but most people I know would not change their World Series viewing patterns depending on the Yankees presence. The midwest doesn't seem to care about them in my personal experience.
by rhodri2112 on Nov 1, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deal with Cowboys Mania
Live long and prosper, boyz...you is going down, and even ROCKY can't save you!! MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA
by CowboyMania on Nov 1, 2007 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I loved how the judge
I'm sure Reid will really be able to concentrate on this Sunday's game now....NOT!!!
by Terry on Nov 1, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish...
I want to win every game without any extraneous foolishness.
I don't know if we'll win or not, but I always want my opponents at full health and without issues.
It's much more fun that way.
by rhodri2112 on Nov 1, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here comes the Judge
Hey Philly, you want to truly see REAL Evil, come down to Dallas. I'll be happy to show you the ropes. Or, you could look at your women. Man, that's pretty ugly in itself.
by CowboyMania on Nov 1, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one word describes that post
by eagleyosh on Nov 1, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas and Drugs
As to Dallas coaches not having the Reid's problems, perhaps that is because the recent ones have been fossils, and not young family men.
by Andrew on Nov 1, 2007 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evil Dallas
Uhhh ... no thanks. I think we all will take a pass.
" the Philly stadium is the ONLY stadium with it's own Court and Judge"
That was the Vet and Judge Seamus McCaffrey. He closed up shop several years ago and the stadium has been demolished. The purpose of the court was to expedite handling the incidents with drunks and fights that happen at every NFL stadium.
by Andrew on Nov 1, 2007 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not nearly as often
Its classless, you won't see fights or drunks at Texas Stadium.
by Terry on Nov 2, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
by JasonB on Nov 2, 2007 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drugs in the locker room....
by brooksy on Nov 1, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the biggest BG thread ever
by 700 Level on Nov 2, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by JasonB on Nov 2, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different circumstances
I think you need to take extenuating circumstances into account when calling all Dallas fans outside Texas state lines "fake fans."
I will admit this ... I am a Dallas fan that was born and raised in California. I started "watching" the Cowboys during the dynasty years of the early 90s ... probably the first season I watched all the games was in 91 or 92. Why? I think I was 4-5 at the time. Is it my fault that the age when I could cognitively appreciate watching football was the time when my team was the best it's been in 20 years? I'd like to think not.
Why the Cowboys? Well, that's easy. My parents are both from Dallas. If I were a fan of anything else (even my hometown Chargers, whom I have nothing against), my parents would probably disown me, or leave me in a dumpster or something like that.
There are plenty of people like that as well ... a lot of Texans leave Texas because (I'll admit it) Texas sucks. And yes, I've been, and I've even run the turf at Texas Stadium. But the wayward Texans still keep their old affiliations with them.
And as aforementioned above, I'd say the diehard fans outside of Texas are true fans, so long as they aren't bandwagoners or fans who don't know a damn thing about their team. I know I've caught Hell in sportsbars, schools and opposing stadiums rockin' the Dallas jerseys. And I don't do it to "be the guy everyone hates." I do it because I'm showing support for the team I've supported since I knew what football was.
Hell, I'd say it's even harder for fans my age. The last Dallas Superbowl was in 1995 ... I was eight at the time. Eight. That means my team has licked Donkey balls for the last 12 years of my fandom, but other fans still hate us like we're the Football Yankees (when in reality, we all know that George Steinbrenner dresses in drag and masquerades as Danny Snyder on weekends).
Anyway, that's all I had to say. In summary: there are "true" Dallas fans outside North Texas.
You may now resume your regularly scheduled Dallas bashing.
by no1cowboysfan on Nov 2, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Parents
by JasonB on Nov 2, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
by BrianS on Nov 2, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
explain to me how a Cowboys fan
As is when a little kid starts liking the Cowboys when they have no idea how good or bad the Cowboys are??
Again, makes no sense.
by Terry on Nov 2, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im a homegrown cowboys fan
by jslash on Nov 2, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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